Cornelius Goes to the Doctor...Again
by Bob_Q on Aug 25, 2010 6:39 PM EDT
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PrintAfter a disappointing preseason so far, tight end Cornelius Ingram has to pay another visit to the hospital - this time for an MRI on left knee. This is the same knee that suffered an ACL tear during his senior year at Florida and a second one during last year's Eagles training camp. After missing several days of this year's training camp with a swollen calf and bouts of pain with his knee, Ingram will have to sit out of practice yet again. During this afternoon's press conference, Andy Reid downplayed the injury, telling reporters:
"He just has some swelling there. It’s just precautionary measures. It’s bothering him, so we’re going to get it checked out."
Of course, it could be nothing, but it's hard to expect much from a player who's had such an unfortunate history with injuries. This latest trip to the doctor could very well signal the beginning of the end of Ingram's brief time with the team. In the meantime, rookie Clay Harbor has been gobbling up the reps at tight end and performing admirably. As Andy Reid tells it:
"I would say that I wish Cornelius could be out there and doing his thing and his leg wasn’t bothering him. I would tell you on the other hand that it’s given Harbor an opportunity to be out there and get a lot of reps and that that second tight end plays approximately 25 percent of the plays max in our offense. What he’s doing with the increased play time is he’s getting better. Every day he takes another step forward. He’s made some nice plays in practice. Now, we’ve got to get him the ball in the game and see how he does there."
There is a good chance that the Eagles could choose to go with only two tight ends on their active roster, as they did last year with Brent Celek and Alex Smith. In that scenario, Ingram would either head to the injured reserve for the second time in his two-year career, or get cut entirely. While it's always hard to give up on such a promising young player, the harsh reality is that some athlete's bodies just aren't meant to withstand the stress of being on an NFL team. Still, I'll bite my tongue until the MRI results come back.
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Damn thats rough
Good thing we have Harbor to fall back on at this point. i really wanted to see this guy play. Tough break if hes really hurt.
In 20 We Trust
How could such a natural gifted athlete and physical freak by so prone to injuries. Well I guess it was just a snowball effect. Regardless, I hate to say it, but I think this kid’s football career is over…
"If I can get you to think twice, I'm in your head."
-Brian Dawkins
"Yeah, I like to hit people"
-Brandon Graham
We kept hearing positive things about Bradley but I barely ever heard a word regarding Ingram’s recuperation. When the FO drafted Clay Harbor, that should have said something about the situation.
"If I can get you to think twice, I'm in your head."
-Brian Dawkins
"Yeah, I like to hit people"
-Brandon Graham
I bet he goes back to IR.
He just doesn’t seem ready yet. He hasn’t been able to run or weight train like he would have sans injury. Another year on IR would suck, but would allow him to get his trust in his knee and his explosiveness back.
I feel bad for Ingram; I’m pulling for him.
I’d be sad if the Eagles chopped him, but I’ll trust that they know their business.
Veritas Liberabit Te
I don't know if Andy has patience for nagging injuries any more.
Do we need another Victor Abiamiri? We dumped Andrews for that same reason. He is a likely gonner.
In Kolb we trust
Sure he does.
Stacy’s aching vagina continues to flare up. No one’s talking about cutting him.
"Up yours, asshole!"--EvilBanner to effeminate yachtsman Boston Jeff Lurie
Am I more interesting than Remis?
I guess so. At least right now. My man has his own burdens to carry over at LibertyBallers. With the 20-62 season expected from our minor league basketball team, bitter depression is not as interesting as righteous anger.
"Up yours, asshole!"--EvilBanner to effeminate yachtsman Boston Jeff Lurie
Unless you meant "Revis"
In which case, the answer is also yes. Everyone gets stranded on EvilBanner Island.
"Up yours, asshole!"--EvilBanner to effeminate yachtsman Boston Jeff Lurie
This stop, MRI. Please mind the gap when exiting the football field. Next stop, Injured Resevre. Please stand clear of the closing doors.
by JimmyK on Aug 25, 2010 8:07 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
He is still eligible...
But if he’s on the PS, the Eagles risk him being picked up by another team. He’d be a hell of a gamble, but there are teams out there that might be desperate enough do it.
You guys are probably right. Instead of IR what about PUP since what he has right now is just a calf injury right?
He had a calf "tweak" at one point
But this MRI, I believe, is to check up on his knee. They do have the option of keeping him out for the first six weeks (via the PUP list), but with how deep our roster is at certain positions, I think IR is the more likely scenario.
I forgot the practice squad rules,
But in the past I thought players on IR were inelgible for PS. But than we had a MIke Gibson was IR and practice squad a year later. So I guess I didn’t understand clearly the practice squad condition.
I think if you appeared in more than 8 games you are inelgible, or if you spend the entire season on the bench. Or if you have more than 3 years in the league.
In Kolb we trust
If he goes on the practice squad, he’s a goner.
by JimmyK on Aug 25, 2010 9:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not to sure about that.
If he slipped to the 5th round, that means other teams didnt’ trust that knee.
So if he is PS due to issues with that knee, that he is likely out of football entirely. We need a TE and if we drop him, than he is done.
I think we should hurry up and resign Ruckers.
In Kolb we trust
I'm not sure
but if a team were going to pick up Ingram off the PS, wouldn’t they have to put him on their active roster? (I could be wrong on this. I can’t remember what happened when we signed Amendola off of Dallas’ PS).
If I’m right, what team would be willing to cut a valuable 53 for an injury risk like Ingram who they haven’t seen anything of since his junior year at Florida?
I would’ve originally thought he’d be as good as gone too, but after thinking about it, I’m not so sure that’s a guarantee. He may be able to survive waivers and stick on the PS, but I personally think he goes to the IR.
They would have to keep Ingram on their active roster so yeah, that would be a risk
And as far as Amendola is concerned, we picked him up during the 2009 offseason after the Cowboys chose not to sign him to their offseason roster. He was a free agent at the time.
by Bob_Q on Aug 26, 2010 11:04 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If I’m right, what team would be willing to cut a valuable 53 for an injury risk like Ingram who they haven’t seen anything of since his junior year at Florida?
Fair question, and my answer is this – Not all 53-men rosters are created equal. In the case of the Eagles (a team that year after year has an inordinate number of draft picks, especially this year with 13), they’d have to cut someone of value in order to fit Ingram into the mix. Most of the rest of the league is very different in that regard. There are lots of teams with absolute garbage among the guys that currently occupy the roster spots roughly around 49-53. Cutting one of those guys in favor of Ingram wouldn’t be tough decision. And again, there are 31 other teams – The odds are overwhelming that a team out there would quickly snap him up.
Also realize, you only dress 45 players on gameday, so if another team wanted to grab him with the future in mind, they could keep him on the roster but just have him be inactive until he’s ready.
There are lots of teams with absolute garbage among the guys that currently occupy the roster spots roughly around 49-53
You make some valid points. I don’t disagree, but playing devil’s advocate here… How do teams consider Ingram anything but garbage right now? I mean every team passed up on him in the draft (until the 5th round), then Ingram proceeded to tear his ACL again and develop a cyst and more injury concerns in his second preseason. Not to mention when he did play in the first two preseason games this year he looked very slow and hesitant.
I loved this guy’s upside and was ecstatic when the Eagles drafted him in the 5th, but will other teams feel the same way after all that’s happened to him since joining the league?
So while I agree that Ingram may be >= some 53rd guys on other rosters in upside, will teams see the reward as > the risk. You have to consider that if a team signs Ingram to their 53, sight-unseen, they’re running the risk of having a hobbled player who can’t help your team on gameday. He may have more talent than the guy you cut, but the guy you cut could’ve at least helped you on STs.
They'll keep him
There’s no way they invest that much time and effort into him to let him walk.
Plus, I got faith in the guy. Ingram makes the team and will be a solid contributor to the offense by the end of the season.
Here’s the issue – The Eagles use 2 TE sets on less than 25% of their plays, and they now have another TE that they really like in Clay Harbor. So if they’re going to keep 3 TE’s, that 3rd TE better be a contributor on special teams. The problem for Ingram is that he’s not going to be a good special teamer (both from what I’ve seen on tape, and perhaps because he’s not healthy).
So the question becomes… Do you sacrifice performance on special teams just to keep a guy that may or may not ever be healthy?
by JimmyK on Aug 26, 2010 7:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Bravo carlos, I was thinking buck all they way
by Sullybmore on Aug 25, 2010 11:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Uh...
…why was this guy ever considered “promising” again? Is “promising” some sort of code word for “doubtful to contribute…ever?”
"Up yours, asshole!"--EvilBanner to effeminate yachtsman Boston Jeff Lurie
The guy has talent, and I don’t think anybody can argue that. But your right, the guy was a 5th round choice with an acl tear. The guy could have been great at the NFL level, but he could have also been lj smith jr. It sucks that his career is probably gonna end before he even touches a professional field, but I still think some people are overreacting about him being a superstar.
The laws of alchemy dont justify murder........but the laws of murder justify being a cowboys fan :P
Overreacting to a hyped up draft pick?! And on BGN no less? Why I’ve never heard such outlandish talk
by DLawrence55 on Aug 26, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Baker's cyst???
Apparently he had a Baker’s cyst removed from the back of his left knee and calf.
Better have a plan
Because he is nevering playing a down in the NFL. Hopefully he is realistic and has some idea about what he is going to do next.
Learn to stretch
A torn ACL and now a Baker’s Cyst. It’s obvious that he has not learned to stretch properly. Chances are that if he stretched properly, these injuries could have greatly reduced or might have never happened. It behoves me, that trainers haven’t learned the art of stretching and the owners end up paying millions for someone to rehab an injury.
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