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The Bubble Boys: Who are the 17 Eagles fighting for 10 roster spots?


I was playing around with the 53-man roster this morning, and from what I've seen in camp over the past 2 weeks, there are 43 spots on this team that are pretty much wrapped up, leaving just 10 spots for roughly 17 players.

With the Eagles first preseason game upcoming, let's first identify the "locks," so that we can keep a mindful eye on the "bubble boys" this Friday against Jacksonville.

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The locks (Note: The "locks" are also in order, so the names at the far right are the least secure locks.)

QB (3) - Kevin Kolb, Michael Vick, Mike Kafka

RB (3) - LeSean McCoy, Leonard Weaver, Mike Bell

WR (4) - DeSean Jackson, Jeremy Maclin, Jason Avant, Riley Cooper

TE (2) - Brent Celek, Clay Harbor

OL (7) - Jason Peters, Todd Herremans, Winston Justice, Nick Cole, Stacy Andrews, Max Jean-Gilles, Fenuki Tupou

DE (5) - Trent Cole, Brandon Graham, Juqua Parker, Daniel Te'o Nesheim, Darryl Tapp

DT (3) - Mike Patterson, Brodrick Bunkley, Trevor Laws

LB (5) - Stewart Bradley, Ernie Sims, Akeem Jordan, Moise Fokou, Omar Gaither

CB (4) - Asante Samuel, Ellis Hobbs, Joselio Hanson, Trevard Lindley

S (4) - Quintin Mikell, Nate Allen, Quintin Demps, Kurt Coleman

Specialists (3) - David Akers, Jon Dorenbos, Sav Rocca

Total (43) - Of the above, Kurt Coleman, Fenuki Tupou, Trevard Lindley, and Darryl Tapp are the most debatable "locks," although I feel that they'd have to completely fall apart for the remainder of the preseason not to make the team.

PUP/IR (2) - These don't count toward the 53-man roster.  Jamaal Jackson (likely to land on the PUP list to begin the season), Victor Abiamiri (likely to land on the PUP list to begin the season, and then eventually the IR).

 

The bubble boys (in order of likelihood to make the team)...

 

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- TE Cornelius Ingram - He has clearly fallen behind Clay Harbor in the pecking order at TE, although it's still highly likely the he'll stick with the team.  The Eagles have taken it easy on Ingram during this camp.  As a result Harbor has gotten more reps and made the most of them.  I strongly considered making Ingram a lock as well, but there's an extremely remote chance the Eagles will only keep 2 TE's, so I left him off.  In other words, Ingram fans shouldn't panic just yet.

- C/G Mike McGlynn - Kinda weird that a bubble boy will be starting at C Friday night.  McGlynn's primary competition won't come from A.Q. Shipley, who is fairly obviously behind McGlynn at this point.  His biggest competition could come from a player not currently on the Eagles' roster.

- LB Keenan Clayton - I estimate that 7 linebackers will stick with the team.  Clayton has a major advantage, having been a 4th round pick this year.  He was everywhere the first weekend I attended camp, and has the reputation for being a special teams standout.  However, he missed 3 days due to personal issues, but he was excused by the team, so that shouldn't hurt him too much.

- LB Jamar Chaney - The Eagles traded away Joe Mays for a 6th round pick, which bodes well for Chaney.  He's had a good camp so far.

- CB/S Macho Harris - Can anybody think of the last time a team cut a 2nd year player that started on opening day his rookie season?  Macho has some versatility, being able to play both CB and S, but he has stiff competition from Dmitri Patterson, who is surprisingly having a fantastic camp.  Macho too was having a good camp before he injured his hamstring, and hasn't been able to get back on the field.  The longer Macho stays out, the better the chances become for Patterson to gain ground.

- DT Jeff Owens - Owens has been a pleasant surprise at camp.  He and Trevor Laws have looked dominant at times during live hitting.  With Antonio Dixon hampered by an injury, Owens currently looks to have the edge.

- OT Austin Howard - Gotta admit ignorance on this one to a degree.  I haven't specifically watched him, but in speaking with a number of the other Philly reporters at camp, the belief is that Howard has a pretty clear lead over King Dunlap at this time.

- RB Eldra Buckley - He was the star of the day last Sunday, and has had a significantly better camp than rookie Charles Scott.  He's a "try hard" guy that has an added advantage over Scott in special teams.  Didn't see this coming, by the way.  I had completely written Buckley off, but he's done a great job this camp making it hard for the coaching staff to part ways with him.  Buckley would also be ineligible for the practice squad.

- WR Kelley Washington - Another pleasant surprise.  Washington has the reputation of being a special teams maven, but he has also impressed as a WR.

- WR Hank Baskett - A week ago, I saw Hank as very likely to make the team, but with the way Kelley Washington has performed, he's no longer a sure thing.  Will the Eagles keep 6 WR's?

(Quick note - we're at 53 players at this point)...

- CB Dmitri Patterson - It'll be a downright shame if Patterson doesn't stick with this team.  He's had a stellar camp, and has been singled out for his play this summer not just by Andy Reid, but by Howie Roseman as well.  If he's cut, he'll be snapped up immediately by another team.

- DT Antonio Dixon - Dixon filled in admirably as the 3rd DT while Trevor Laws struggled.  With Laws beginning to play to his potential and rookie Jeff Owens emerging, Dixon could find himself on the outside.  Here's another player that would immediately be snapped up by another franchise if he failed to stick here.

- OT King Dunlap - As noted above, the general feeling is that he has been outplayed by Austin Howard so far.  The only thing working in Dunlap's favor is that he is not eligible for the practice squad, whereas Howard is.  Probably won't be enough though.

- DE/OLB Ricky Sapp - He apparently had a pressure and a sack on consecutive plays this week in camp, but had been completely invisible up until then.  He has some serious ground to make up.

- OLB Tracy White - The reputation is that he's a special teams stud.  I don't see it, and I'll bet Bobby April won't see that on last year's film as well.  The Eagles were 2nd in the NFL with 26 special teams penalties last year, and White led the team with 5 of them, costing the Eagles 84 yards.  He's listed on the 2nd team on the Eagles latest depth chart, but that's probably just a courtesy to the veteran over 2 rookies (Keenan Clayton and Simoni Lawrence).

- RB Charles Scott - He's not a threat whatsoever in the passing game, which is a killer for an Andy Reid offense, and with Mike Bell being a capable short yardage back, Scott's big frame doesn't necessarily give him a niche role to fill.  He has a lot of ground to make up.  It'll take a few monster preseason games.

- LB Simoni Lawrence - He probably needed to stand out in a big way to beat out guys like Keenan Clayton and Jamar Chaney to make the roster, but he hasn't.

The rest of the bunch are all long shots.

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i think mcglynn’s more of a lock than tupou, but that’s quibbling. also would be surpised to see them keep howard as their top OT backup.

some interesting battles

by bsencore on Aug 11, 2010 11:43 AM EDT reply actions  

also would be surpised to see them keep howard as their top OT backup.

Agreed, although I’d put Herremans as the top OT backup. Unfortunately, Howard appears to be our best non-starting OT. I don’t like it, but that’s kind of how it’s playing out.

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by JimmyK on Aug 11, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Congrats on the new venture, by the way.

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by JimmyK on Aug 11, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I gotta say I agree. I think McGlynn is ahead of Tupou at this point.

I’m also not so sure about Omar Gaither as a lock…

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by JasonB on Aug 11, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I hear you both. McGlynn would be roughly 45th on my list at the very high end of the bubble guys, and Tupou near the very back end of the locks, so in my opinion, they’re very close. The reason I have McGlynn a little lower is because of the possibility that the Eagles sign a center (or if Jamaal Jackson is somehow unexpectedly ready in time for the season), in which case McGlynn’s job would be in jeopardy.

As for Omar, I don’t completely disagree with you, but I’m curious what your thoughts on him are.

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by JimmyK on Aug 11, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

My gut says:

Jackson will not be back until week 6+/-. Because of this my gut also says the team goes with what they have until then. Based on last year’s debacle at OL and their lack of urgency in drafting an offensive lineman/center, I just don’t see them bringing anybody in. Please prove me wrong.

by Philly O's on Aug 11, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who??

Who do you want them to bring in??

Mawae? Have you watched last year’s film on him?

He. Is. Done.

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by DSmith215 on Aug 11, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, I’d like to see film on Mawae if you know where I could find it… Do you know of where it might exist?

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by JimmyK on Aug 11, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry.

On my TiVo. Is there a way to extract it and send it to you somehow?

I have a couple Titans games from last year.

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by DSmith215 on Aug 11, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

No idea. What’s your address? I’m on my way over. Clean off a recliner and put some food in the oven, please.

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by JimmyK on Aug 11, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lol.

I’m at work, dude.

In Minnesota.

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by DSmith215 on Aug 11, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just bought my airline tickets.

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by JimmyK on Aug 11, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, here.

Lawlor will back me up.

“The poster asked about signing Kevin Mawae. I watched tape of him a few months back and he’s done. I’d take Nick or Mike McGlynn over Mawae. Teams aren’t ignoring him because of NFLPA stuff. Age just finally caught up with Kevin. The man had a great career, but his game tape from 2009 wasn’t good.”

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by DSmith215 on Aug 11, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right… I don’t doubt he wasn’t good. Just interested in seeing for myself.

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by JimmyK on Aug 11, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

well

clearly now I WANT Mawae.

His biggest competition could come from a player not currently on the Eagles’ roster.

Again, I don’t think this will happen so I am not about to start to speculate trade posibilites and/or who may get dropped becasue of depth when the first preseason game hasn’t even been played yet.

by Philly O's on Aug 11, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

excuse me
first preseason game hasn’t even been played yet.

besides DAL/CIN

by Philly O's on Aug 11, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gaither...

…is a lock. As he should be. Starting experience at MLB makes him indispensable for us with Stew on a rehabbed knee. Last year wouldnt have been half as bad if he didn’t get hurt too.

by Qwest on Aug 11, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have to agree about Gaither...

I would even place him ahead of Fokou. Gaither plays every position at LB, Fokou just lost his job at 1 spot. If Gaither doesnt make this team I think our LB depth takes a huge hit!

by IgglesFanDeployd on Aug 11, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we’re going to keep 8 WR/TE total on the roster, which means Baskett will likely get dropped (since as it stands you have 9 receivers on the roster), but I really don’t know.

For the most part I’m reserving judgments on the 53-man roster until I see them all in action. Who knows, maybe Sap or Scott surprises everyone on Friday.

Definitely going to be difficult to make cuts this year.

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by alcatraz0109 on Aug 11, 2010 11:49 AM EDT reply actions  

I could see them trying to play up Ingram’s knee as not fully healed and try to stash on the practice squad. Otherwise, he’s likely to end up inactive unless he suddenly gets his explosion back. (And since the Ginger Ninja likes tinkering with the rule book, when are they going to dump that pointless and anachronistic inactive list?)

I would be displeased to see Harris cut. I like his toughness and willingness to tackle, but like they say, you can’t make the club in the tub.

by Tracer Bullet on Aug 11, 2010 11:58 AM EDT reply actions  

LOL

I like that one.

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by D3Keith on Aug 13, 2010 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have battles as follows:

RB: Buckley vs. Scott, Arrington
WR: Washington vs. Basket, Perry, Hall
T: Dunlap v Howard, or Tupou vs Howard.
Somepeople have Tupou as a Guard. If thats the case both Dunap and Howard are OK.
Than you have Tupou vs MJG
C:Harris vs Patterson

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by yophillybro on Aug 11, 2010 12:06 PM EDT reply actions  

No need...

…to even include Perry and Hall in the WR battle. I think/hope Washington makes it over Baskett, but the other two are definitely gone, with Perry getting the nod on the practice squad.

Buckley is the clear winner at RB
I think Howard makes it at tackle…dependent a lot on how he performs in the first two preseason games.

by Qwest on Aug 11, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

No way

Hall’s been much more consistent in camp than Perry. Perry’s just a camp body, Caplan has reported on several occasions that the Eagles are actively interested in Chad Hall.

I could see Hall going to the PS, but I don’t see him lasting there. I bet the Rams or Bucs or someone will grab him. Then maybe Perry does end up on the PS.

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by DSmith215 on Aug 11, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ha!!!

You CLEARLY have not seen many training camp videos. At the beginning, the buzz surrounding Hall was huge…and given his story, that was to be expected. But midway through camp, he got the dropsies and I honestly can’t remember a day that I have tuned in that I didn’t see him drop an easy pass.

Trust me…Perry at this point is ahead of Hall.

by Qwest on Aug 11, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Macho

I can’t see them not keeping Macho. Even if Patterson passes him at corner, I think he instantly jumps Coleman at safety. As a 5th round rookie, he switch positions and won the starting job (ok, maybe other people just lost it). He’s got plenty of speed for S. He isn’t afraid to hit guys. He just needs some experience to get better at that position. I don’t see him being placed behind a rookie that was 11 draft slots away from being Mr. Irrelevant if Patterson beats him at CB. Basically, for Macho to go, I think both Patterson and Coleman have to play lights out from here on out.

by phillyfan1978 on Aug 11, 2010 12:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Im praying

Macho loses out to Patterson!

Take the name off the back of the jersey's and reinvent football as a team sport.

Pay these guys 3,000,000 a year tops and match them dollar for dollar in a global indexed pension. Eliminate the irresponsibility by being responsible for making young kids over night millionaires.

by MightyJoeBanner on Aug 11, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Ingram, McGlynn, Clayton, Harris, Buckley are on better position. And I write Patterson here as well.
That’s 49, for the remaining 4 spots:

Owens or Dixon (edge: Dixon, if healthy)
Baskett or Washington (edge: Baskett?)
Howard or Dunlap (edge: Howard)
White or Chaney (edge: Chaney)

That’s 3 QB; 3 TE; 5 WR; 9 OL; 4 RB; 5 DE; 4 DT; 7 LB; 5 CB; 5 S; 3ST

by samson9 on Aug 11, 2010 12:13 PM EDT reply actions  

I think that Ingram and Harris are going to be stashed on IR

and of those battles I think that both Basket and Washington make it and both Howard and Dunlap make the team in this scenario. Also I agree with all your battle edges.

Let's get it Birds.

by homestar2281 on Aug 11, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m sure they’d love to stash Ingram, but if I were him and they approached me with that option, I’d ask for my outright release. I’d want to play, not be gone from the sport for 3 years

by DLawrence55 on Aug 11, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

What ever happened to Boo Robinson? Did he get cut? Or is he injured?

by hoya03 on Aug 11, 2010 12:17 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

He’s there. Running with the 3’s. Long shot.

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by JimmyK on Aug 11, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with JasonB that Gaither isn’t a lock because of the way Clayton and Chaney have played, I think he could be a trade candidate same with Macho. I also think if Ricky Sapp doesn’t make the final 53(which I think he will) then he will be IR’d since the Eagles probably don’t want to lose him to another team.

by The Legend on Aug 11, 2010 12:21 PM EDT reply actions  

As I look at the “unofficial” depth chart released on PE.com recently, I agree with your 43 “locks” to make the team. Maybe Tupou is the ?, but Big Red loves lineman, so I think we’ll keep at least 9. Probably 10. So I’d add 2 more definite OL to the 53-man roster: Howard (OT) and McGlynn (G/C). But I think King Dunlap sticks as backup RT (b/c Tupou will be a backup guard), although I agree Herremans slides over to T if Peters or Justice go down during a game *Knock on wood. Knock on wood).

I like the battle matchups yophillybro listed above, but I think you need to add DT.
It’s going to be tough picking between Dixon and Owens. No way we keep 5, given our preference to use DEs as nickle DTs.

My additional 10: Howard, McGlynn, Dunlap, Owens, Ingram, Clayton, Harris, Buckley, Washington and Clayton (with Chaney stashed on IR). But I really like Patterson as the 5th CB — big battle between him and Harris. Or we only go with 9 OL and then keep 5 CBs.

by Iggles4life on Aug 11, 2010 12:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Have the Eagles ever outright cut a rookie drafted in the 4th or 5th round? They tend to value those guys highly. I’m calling Keenan Clayton a lock, with Ricky Sapp and Charles Scott being less likely to make the team but definite candidates for IR or the practice squad. The team seems to have soured on Gaither, so he could lose out to Chaney.

I also think Jed Lawrie will push Ingram at TE, though we know the Eagles tend to favor pass-catching TE’s over blockers.

by Rujasu on Aug 11, 2010 12:30 PM EDT reply actions  

how has the team soured on Gaither

he was starting at MLB when Bradley had his hammy earlier at camp.

Let's get it Birds.

by homestar2281 on Aug 11, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think that means anything. He was experienced at that position — and maybe that’s what keeps him around. But the Eagles also tend to go younger when it makes sense.

by Rujasu on Aug 11, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well it's not like Gaither is ancient

what is this, his fourth year? Fifth?

I think fans are sour on Gaither, but the team doesn’t really seem to be.

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by D3Keith on Aug 13, 2010 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

CJ Gaddis comes to mind. I’m sure there are more – Hang on.

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by JimmyK on Aug 11, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jeremy Bloom, Trey Darliek, Freddy Milons.

Keep in mind also… There are 13 draft picks this year. They can’t all make the team.

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by JimmyK on Aug 11, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Certainly, they can’t all make it. I think Graham, Allen, Te’o-Nesheim, Lindley, Clayton, Kafka, and Harbor are locks. Cooper looks like one, and Coleman might not have any real competition. I generally don’t expect 6th or 7th rounders to make the team though, and they’re not even guaranteed to see the practice squad.

They are tougher on 5’s than I thought. Still, they almost always keep 4’s, even if they have to use the IR to do so.

by Rujasu on Aug 11, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

How exactly is Trevard Lindley a lock?

I mean, aren’t both Macho Harris and Dmitri Patterson both better than him so far in camp?

by MyronBales on Aug 11, 2010 12:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Lindley is a rookie with much better upside than those two players. He was picked in the 4th round for a reason — not going to make an impact right away but they see potential in him. He could be the team’s #2 or nickel corner in a year or two, and I don’t expect the same from Macho or Dmitri.

by Rujasu on Aug 11, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

How do you know he has more upside than those guys?

After all, Harris and Patterson are not much older than Lindley. At any rate, the age difference is mostly negligible.

by MyronBales on Aug 11, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lindley...

…was projected as a second round talent until he had a bad 40 time at the Combine. No way he gets cut, even though I agree that Patterson has had a great camp.

by Qwest on Aug 11, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Harris was considered a big-time playmaker in college too

Until he ran a really slow 40 and dropped down the draft boards.

by MyronBales on Aug 11, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're forgetting that

Macho Harris was absolutely horrible last year.

by Team Serbia on Aug 11, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lindley

also got injured his Sr. year, so he missed out/dropped due to concerns. He was projected as a late 1/early 2 if he declared the year before if I remember correctly.

by SuburbanElite on Aug 11, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lindley has been very good. It would be an utter shock if he were cut.

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by JimmyK on Aug 11, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

How?

Everything I’ve read has said that he was the most unimpressive of the CBs.

by MyronBales on Aug 11, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s not what I’ve seen either on the field or in print. Got a link?

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by JimmyK on Aug 11, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

Lindley has played very well.

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by DSmith215 on Aug 11, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

You must be reading the Wall Street Jounal

by DLawrence55 on Aug 11, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’ll be a shame if ingram doesn’t make this team but hey they could keep 3 te’s they just lost rucker on waivers. But I’m really hoping Kelley Washington wins a spot he’s a very capable player and just had his best season.

by ryanitus on Aug 11, 2010 1:28 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

This all goes back to why I had a problem with the Eagles draft this year. The Eagles, and almost every other NFL team, don’t have thirteen roster spots open for rookies so why draft so many. Reality tells us not all draft picks are going to work out, but when you go into the draft knowing that you only have roster spots for 7-8 rookies it doesn’t make a lot of sense to draft many more than that. I loved what the did when they drafted Graham, using their draft assets to move up and get the player they were targeting. I would have liked to see more of that.

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by no1pipelayer on Aug 11, 2010 1:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Do you have a better chance at winning the lottery with only 8 lottery tickets than you do with 13? With 13 lottery tickets, I might have a couple more duds, but I might also have a couple more winning tickets.

Same theory applies with NFL picks. The reason having 13 picks is better than having just 7 or 8 is that you get that many more chances to find an impact player. If you have to cut a couple, so what?

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by alcatraz0109 on Aug 11, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Also, you have to reaiize that the Eagles had created more holes for themselves to fill than they usually do because they released so many players, so having 13 picks was almost a necessity.

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by alcatraz0109 on Aug 11, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let me take your lottery analogy a step further. I like to buy tickets to raffles where you spend $50 to get a 1/1000 chance at a new BMW more than I would like fifty $1 powerball tickets where you have a 1/50000000000 chance at the jackpot. It’s a quality over quantity thing.

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by no1pipelayer on Aug 11, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you want to use raffle tickets as an analogy, we'll use raffle tickets.

Would you rather have 8 raffle tickets or 13?

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by alcatraz0109 on Aug 11, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think your getting my point. I would rather draft players that have a higher probabilty of making a contribution to the team than a larger number of player that have a lower probability of helping out.

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by no1pipelayer on Aug 11, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

So you’d rather we kept pick 55 instead of turning it into picks 86, 122, 125, 134, and 159 (plus a 5 in 2011) because in theory the 55th pick has a greater probability of contributing than any of the picks we got in that deal?

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by alcatraz0109 on Aug 11, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly

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by no1pipelayer on Aug 11, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you serious?

Either you don’t grasp just how random the NFL Draft process is or you have little to no faith in our FO.

I’ve been over this many times since the draft. Getting 5 picks for 1 in a draft that was that deep was a HUGE coup.

Why on earth do you think one pick is better than 5?

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by alcatraz0109 on Aug 11, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

My point is...

How much production do you really expect from those five players even if they do make the roster? If the Eagles had packaged 55 along with some of the other picks they had to move up and get Kareem Jackson, Kyle Wilson, Or Patrick Robinson would you feel better about the teams prospects? I would.

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by no1pipelayer on Aug 11, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you think Kyle Wilson or Patrick Robinson will exceed the combined contributions of DTN, Harbor, Kafka, Sapp, Cooper, and Draft Picks X and Y (which you would have had to give up to move up to that 30)? I don’t.

Not to mention that with fewer draft picks and more holes, you will find yourself forced to waste multiple picks on need and won’t be flexible enough to take BPAs and other players of interest, lowering the quality of the picks.

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by alcatraz0109 on Aug 11, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually yes

To get another solid quality starter in this draft would have been sick. Do you really see any starters in your list? Maybe but there would have to be a lot of injuries to make that happen. I’m talking about targeting a few quality guys instead of throwing a handful of crap on the wall and seeing what sticks. One I don’t see how your limiting your self by doing that and two I don’t see that many glaring holes on this roster either now or in the near future(except CB and OL). My thought is to fill those few spots with the best players you can trade up to get, not draft a bunch of special teamers. More so when you can pluck up known guys like Kelly Washington for nothing.

Obviously we’re not going to agree on this and since I have no real say in how the FO operates it doesn’t matter anyway.

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by no1pipelayer on Aug 11, 2010 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fair enough

we agree to disagree.

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by alcatraz0109 on Aug 11, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd rather have

five shots at finding a Celek or a Cole than one shot at finding Matt McCoy.

Safe to say I agree with you, Alca.

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by D3Keith on Aug 13, 2010 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I figured that was the BGN majority opinion anyway.

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by alcatraz0109 on Aug 13, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does anyone else think that the Eagles actually hurt Macho’s chances of being a good NFL player by having him switch positions last year to safety? I am a PSU and VTech football fan so I knew a lot about Macho coming out of college and I am certainly not going to pretend like I know more about the game than Reid and Co but it certainly seemed to me like Macho never really had what it takes to be a good safety but that he had the skill set to be a decent corner, maybe not a starter but a very good nickle back. And after the experiment at safety failed they are trying to move Macho back to corner which is where he belongs, but I can’t help but feel they hurt the guys development by changing him from a CB to a S and now back to CB. I really do hope he makes the team but I keep hearing that Patterson has really played well this camp and is very much deserving of a spot on the roster.

My follow up question…has Coleman played that well that he really is a lock to make the roster? Or could he be cut in favor of them keeping Macho as a guy who can fill in at Safety or play Corner depending on injuries/matchups etc?

Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!

by EREX21 on Aug 11, 2010 1:51 PM EDT reply actions  

I won't say it hurt his chances...

…and neither should anyone else. First of all, his skill set DOES translate more to safety in the NFL than it does to corner. The Eagles weren’t the only team with plans on drafting him and converting him. Second, he (admittedly) doesn’t have the speed that is normally necessary to play safety in todays NFL. Now, you can make up for it with sound technique or physicality at the LOS, but there is always the chance of getting beat deep. Third, he got a chance to take reps with a first team defense and to start many games on the NFL level. No one thought Macho would be starting in his rookie season at ANY position. that experience is invaluable and it will benefit him, whether with us or with someone else. And fourth, this is a business. When you are drafted by a team, they pay you a great salary to be a commodity to their team. They are going to ask you to do things you wouldnt normally do. As fans, sometimes we forget that this sport is a business masquerading as a game.

by Qwest on Aug 11, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you, great response.

Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!

by EREX21 on Aug 11, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

As for Coleman....

He is a lock because he can play both free safety and strong safety and has, by all accounts, picked up the defense very quickly…a trait which will serve him well at safety.

by Qwest on Aug 11, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Macho on the bubble?

Jimmy you rock and I appreciate the effort you put into this, thanks a lot for keeping me from falling asleep at work.

Macho on the bubble, I guess I’m just a fan of the guy and I cannot see him getting cut because of an injury. At this point I would rather us keep Patterson over Basket.

by #12 on Aug 11, 2010 3:07 PM EDT reply actions  

I am too...

…I hope Macho makes it. As an ACC guy, I saw a lot of him in college and even though he was a disappointment at safety, he has a knack for finding the ball. And you can NEVER have too many of those type players on defense.

by Qwest on Aug 11, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why does anyone

like Macho so much? Macho is the defenses Hank Baskett. Made some good plays but basically is invisible.

Take the name off the back of the jersey's and reinvent football as a team sport.

Pay these guys 3,000,000 a year tops and match them dollar for dollar in a global indexed pension. Eliminate the irresponsibility by being responsible for making young kids over night millionaires.

by MightyJoeBanner on Aug 11, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jerail McCuller

I have been getting the perception that no one likes him because there is ever little talk about him. If you watch his highlights on youtube you will fall in love with his play.

by bringdawkback on Aug 11, 2010 6:48 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I am definitely pulling for Buckley. He made the coaches notice him last year and I’m glad he’s doing it again. Something about his style of play, demeanor, and tenacity really seal the deal. Dude is a special teams monster and he’s a better pass-catcher than Scott. No one expected him to make the roster last year and this year is no different. Madden ‘11 even snubbed him. They’ve got Arrington on there and he hasn’t done anything impressive. Really hoping he does enough damage so the coaches let him stick around.

by greendemon on Aug 12, 2010 10:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Macho is in if healthy

Not sure how a 7thRd pick becomes a lock. I really like Coleman and Macho. I want both on the team but Coleman will have to show some serious special upside potential to beat out Macho. Are all the other teams who passed on Coleman going to cut their higher picks to get him now? Demps is backup SS and Macho backup FS with Patterson at CB.

Tupou is a serious bubble guy (Dunlap instead?) and is practice squad eligible. 5th Rd pick last year and injured. McGlynn definitely above him since he can play all the line positions.

Agree with Samson9’s split though I would take 6DE and 4S:
That’s 3 QB; 3 TE; 5 WR; 9 OL; 4 RB; 5 DE; 4 DT; 7 LB; 5 CB; 5 S; 3ST
To the 43 listed: Buckley, Baskett, Ingram, McGlynn, Howard, Dixon, Clayton, Chaney, Patterson, Macho for Coleman, and Sapp my added DE.
Practice Squad: Hall, Reynolds, McCuller, Scott, Owens, Lawrence, Pender, Coleman.

by phxphilly on Aug 13, 2010 11:01 PM EDT reply actions  

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