Eagles Training Camp: Eagles That Impressed, Depressed This Weekend
This camp is going to be a lot of fun. There are so many new faces, and watching camp is like an information overload on players we have never really seen at length. McNabb is gone, Westbrook gone, 13 draft picks, trades, players returning from injury, blah blah blah. So much to see. Thanks to the credibility that JasonB has developed over the years and making BGN what it is today, I got to reap the benefits and take first crack at reviewing our 2010 Eagles.
I was at camp for both the morning and afternoon sessions yesterday, and the morning session today. Keep in mind that it's just a couple days of practice, so don't put too much stock in this. Having said that, here are the players that have impressed/depressed me in my 2 days at camp:
10 that impressed:
LeSean McCoy - If you attended camp the past 2 days and weren't thoroughly impressed with the way McCoy ran, you're blind, period.
Riley Cooper - He's big, he's strong, he's physical, and from what I witnessed of him I fully expect this kid to contribute this season. Oh, and he's dreamy.
Keenan Clayton - He's everywhere. I just kept noticing him... again and again... and again and again. He was constantly around the ball. It didn't hurt that he has run with the 2's, the 3's, and even at times the 1's, not to mention as the gunner on punt coverage teams. The Eagles are clearly looking for the role that he will fill, and they're giving him ample time on the field to figure that out.
Hank Baskett - Hank was the camp darling his rookie year, and he's having another strong camp this year. The thing that has impressed me about Hank is that he's constantly trying to get better. On several occasions during the one-on-one drills, he was asking the corners questions after his reps. Like that attitude.
Stewart Bradley - He didn't practice today, but he was outstanding yesterday. He had a nice interception, he was making tackles all over the field, he was locking down Brent Celek in coverage, he was in a word, the man. If I didn't follow the Eagles and someone were to ask me to pick out a player on the team that I thought tore his ACL last year, Bradley would be among the last 5 players I would guess. For such a big guy, he's moving around fluidly and making plays - He's back.
Jason Avant - He's awesome. Sorry to sound too much like a fan, but I'm sorry... He's awesome. Polished. Savvy. Smart. Leader.
Charles Scott - He a load. I'm pulling for him. I've read reports that he has hands of stone. Unfortunately, I didn't see him get too many opportunities to catch passes in live action, but that's the word, and Andy doesn't like to keep backs that don't contribute in the passing game. However, on the limited number of carries I've seen him get, he drags defenders. He's going to get a ton of work in the second half of preseason games, and if he runs with the power he showed this weekend, he'll find himself on this roster.
DeSean Jackson - Have to mention him. Sorry, I know... Yawn. Next.
Jeff Owens - He gets low, and makes himself difficult to drive back. Difficult to see the action in the middle of the line from my vantage point, but I did notice Owens routinely getting penetration into the backfield and messing up the offensive rhythm. He's someone to watch during the preseason as well.
Winston Justice - I watched Winston battle Brandon Graham, and Winston was winning the majority of those battles. Good to see him keeping up the good work after a breakthrough season.
5 that depressed:
Mike Kafka - He's a project, but still... He was bad. He seems to have a nice accurate ball if he keeps it within 15-20 yards, but it gets dicey when he extends that. Obviously, to be an NFL QB, you better have a deeper accuracy range of more than 20 yards.
Cornelius Ingram - I really, really wanted Ingram to do well this weekend. But he was invisible.
J.J. Arrington - Looks heavy and I don't see any sign of quickness. Very much a longshot to make this team.
Nick Cole - I'll just re-post what I wrote on the running diary...
I've been watching to see how Nick Cole looks snapping the ball in shotgun situations. It's not good. You don't want your center firing fastballs back to the QB, but you do want a crisp snap that the QB gets in his hands quickly so he can maximize his time to look downfield and read the defense. Every fraction of a second counts. Cole's snaps in the shotgun are not crisp. Kolb is often having to reach for them slightly, which is not ideal, and is eating up those all-important fractions of a second. I could certainly be wrong here, but it does not appear to me that this is something Cole has worked on in the offseason.
Chad Hall - I know he has his share of fans here, but from what I've seen, he's a longshot for this team. Will he catch on elsewhere if he's cut? Sure, I think he's got a good shot somewhere else. The problem with Hall is that this offense is already flush with smallish speed guys. I just don't see where he finds a niche as a contributor. Would I feel confident that he can cover kicks/punts and consistently make tackles? No. In the return game, is he anything more than backup punt/kick returner? To be determined, but with 2 of the best in the business handling those duties, I don't think so. As a 6th wide receiver, does he have one attribute that's better than at least 2 other receivers on this team? From what I saw, no, he doesn't.
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Good article.
That’s for the insight.
....When does football season start again???
by SpursEaglesFanSanAntonio on Aug 1, 2010 8:44 PM EDT reply actions
Could Chad Hall be a good barganing chip for a trade?
Sort of like Gibson was last year for Witherspoon.
Eh, too early to say yes or no before he even plays in a preseason game, but I’m leaning toward no.
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And grading Gibson was a mistake, a steal in that round he’s got solid number 2 written all over him. Just like cutting amendola was a mistake, later on they had to dress norwood and from what I saw out of Danny would have been nice addition at that time. I’m pulling for Kelley Washington he had a terrific season and I think he’ll push Hank for field time.
by ryanitus on Aug 1, 2010 10:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hindsight is 20/20
They held on to Gibson through 1st cuts and kept 6 WRs, and then cut Baskett before they cut Gibson, so they clearly valued him. I guess they thought they had a shot at making a run last year when they got ’Spoon for him.
I do like all the guys they’ve added since then so the WR group should still be fun, sans Gibson and Amendola. And nice to see ex-Eagles stick in the league.
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Brandon Gibson really isn't anything special
He was thrust into the Rams and got playing time because they were quite bad last year. Don’t remember the stat exactly, but I remember seeing that he caught something like barley 50% of the passes thrown to him. He’s a nice story, but I think a lot of people over value him a little bit.
Two things...
Is there any chance Nick Cole may lose his spot at Center and if so, who is the favorite to dethrone him?
You also mentioned that shady was tearin it up out there…I want to know one thing, how is he holding onto the ball?
by eaglemaniac814 on Aug 1, 2010 9:10 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
It seems to me that Riley Cooper has shot to the top of the Na Brown award category. He really fits all the characteristics.
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Yup, could be. Trevard Lindley, Kurt Coleman, Keenan Clayton, and a DT longshot Jeff Owens are giving him some competition.
But I’d agree that Riley’s firmly in the lead.
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by JimmyK on Aug 1, 2010 9:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Over under for Riley's career to be > Na's
Na’s career – 34 rec for 363 yds, 2 TD’s.
If you were forced to do so, what line would you set for the over/under that Riley has a better NFL career than Na?
by captain nodar on Aug 1, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Na brown was a higher draft pick then Cooper so Cooper not making this team wouldn’t surprise me, besides with all these wide outs here there must be some insecurity that caused reid to go get washington and personally washington is an ideal fit after avant.
by ryanitus on Aug 1, 2010 10:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Riley is my official training camp favorite.
Not only for his luscious locks but also because he isn’t afraid of a good on the field fight.
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Cooper Rocked on Sunday
Not sure what day JimmyK was on the sideline – I was there for Sunday’s afternoon practice, where Cooper was dominant. Burned Macho for a touchdown, caught 2 or 3 over the middle in traffic and made great cuts for YAC. He was so dominant that when Hanson bit on a double move down the right sideline (right in front of us) Joselio just grabbed onto the front of his shoulder pads and held on for dear life. Cooper’s line to Hanson after the play is entirely unprintable.
Basket was awful on Sunday – dropped at least 3 that I saw, including a buttonhook that went right into and out of his gut. My bet is on Kendra supporting the family for the forseeable future.
by PrincetonGreen on Aug 2, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Agree
You have the perfect insight for BGN. Detailed, but not in a newsy sort of way. It’s in the I-watch-every-Eagles-game-and-yeah-I-mean-preseason-too sort of way. Just what we need. Good look.
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Te’o is feisty. He has one fight under his belt already, and I expect a few more. He’s yet to make a big play yet, but there a ton of effort there. Only a matter of time.
As for Graham, he played hard, but Winston Justice did a great job with him. He did an interview session shortly after the morning practice today, and he was gassed. You can see the talent though – He’ll be fine.
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by JimmyK on Aug 1, 2010 9:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
How about Nate Allen, not even SM has really mentioned him the past 2 days?
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He had a really nice pass breakup yesterday, and the crowd went nuts. He also had a nice open field tackle on Bell. But otherwise, he’s been kinda quiet – Didnt make any big plays that I can recall, but hasn’t really been beaten badly either.
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by JimmyK on Aug 1, 2010 10:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
:sheepish grin: I read GCobb
and while he was bashing Kolb he was saying how Nate played a couple good balls.
That’s really like the 2nd or 3rd time I read GCobb. It got a prominent Google link and the Kolb-bashing headline hooked me :)
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Ha, he’s fast, and the little guys that typically try to block the gunner will have difficulty with him. Remember, Clayton played some safety at Oklahoma, too. I actually love the idea of a bigger guy bearing down on a punt returner.
Wait, turgid is bad, right?
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Depends on the usage
It can mean stiff. I’m using it to mean tumescent or engorged.
In other words, it gives me wood.
by Tracer Bullet on Aug 2, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Hey Jimmy , Jim Jim Jim ... Jimmy Over Here ! Jimmy ... Thanks
Hi yes NPK from BleedingGreenNation.com you mention that Winston Justice was handling Brandon Graham fairly well which is good for our O-line, but what does that say about the number 1 draft prospect ? Did WJ just have a good series or is B-Graham not panning out to what he should be right now ?
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If this were two years ago
I’d be worried, however it isn’t so I’m not.
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From what I saw
I think he’ll be fine. He’s a bit raw, but he definitely has some skills. Give him half a season and you’ll be impressed.
And his personality rocks. I think he’ll be the next Sheldon Brown- always talking to the media.
I'm now Kolb's biggest fan
And his personality rocks. I think he’ll be the next Sheldon Brown- always talking to the media.
don’t you mean bitchin to the media?
I can’t wait for preseason
The top 5 guys I’m intrigued about are
Nate Allen
Quinten Demps
Cornelius Ingram
Mike McGlynn
Ernie Simms
Good list
I’m surprised you can narrow it down to five. Which was sort of JimmyK’s point originally.
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Everyone else I have a good idea about
A lot of the eagles’ success and future depends on how McGlynn, Simms, and Allen play.
Demps and Ingram have a lot of potential. I just don’t like seeing potential go to waste. They could be studs or they could get cut this year.
Demps and McGlynn would definitely be on my list
I guess Laws is pretty make-or-break and I’m pretty curious about Tapp actually.
All the rookies are curiousities by nature.
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Couple of things I'd like to see/hear about
1. How is Mccoy doing in pass protection? Is he reading the blitz properly, and can he hold his own and give Kolb enough time to make a play?
2. I’ve been watching some of the videos up on PE.com, and Lindley made a few good plays. Is he doing this consistently or is it just flashes of talent?
3. What has Mike Bells role been in training camp so far? Have they run with him on 1st/2nd down, or are we looking at our 3rd and short bruiser?
4. Is Asante jamming and, I know its early, but is there a stronger commitment to tackling?
5. Does MJG look like he can hold down the RG fort if Herremen’s injury is a little more serious than Reid is telling us?
1. How is Mccoy doing in pass protection? Is he reading the blitz properly, and can he hold his own and give Kolb enough time to make a play?
Unfortunately, I didn’t look for that, so I’m not sure. Way too much going on and too few live plays to focus on RB pass protection. But I will say this… Mike Bell absolutely destroyed a blitzing linebacker this morning – Impossible to miss. Lit him up.
2. I’ve been watching some of the videos up on PE.com, and Lindley made a few good plays. Is he doing this consistently or is it just flashes of talent?
Lindley very much looks like the real deal. The other corners love him, too. Could be a nice draft pick there by Andy.
3. What has Mike Bells role been in training camp so far? Have they run with him on 1st/2nd down, or are we looking at our 3rd and short bruiser?
Tough to say. He was running exclusively with the 2nd team, and when the 2nd team is on the field, he’s on the field regardless of down and distance. When the 1st team is on the field, McCoy is on the field regardless of down and distance. So it’s hard to see how the Eagles will use him. TBD.
4. Is Asante jamming and, I know its early, but is there a stronger commitment to tackling?
He’s jamming on the bump and run drill, so that doesn’t really count. And no, I don’t recall Samuel sticking his nose in and hitting anyone.
5. Does MJG look like he can hold down the RG fort if Herremen’s injury is a little more serious than Reid is telling us?
No idea. It’s almost impossible to get any feel from the interior O Linemen from my vantage point on the field. Sorry.
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So what about Harris and Demps? What about Coleman? do you think Hobbs or Hanson looks better as a starter so far?
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Hobbs is running exclusively with the ones, Hanson’s the nickle. Coleman had a nice pick yesterday. I think he got Vick, can’t remember. Coleman apparently had a few monster practices before I got there (McDermott raved about him), and he looked pretty good when I was there, but probably cooled off a little. He’s firmly entrenched with the 2’s.
I’ll answer Macho below.
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Thanks!
I know its early and you don’t have the best view of everything. I’m mostly concerned about Herreman’s. I want to see him on the field. Lindley also really impressed me from what I saw. He kept up with Maclin, pace for pace, and broke up a nice pass.
Last question: Does Macho Harris still suck? :-)
Here’s what I basically said about Macho in one of the other threads – He looked awesome jamming up the bigger receivers at the line. On one play, he even jammed up the speedy little Chad Hall so much so that Hall never got off the line of scrimmage – There were receivers 40 yards downfield, and Macho is all but dry-humping Chad Hall at the line. He’s playing very aggressively, and I can see him being a tough matchup for some of the bigger, not-as-fast WR’s. We both know that he’s not sticking with the burners, but I can absolutely see the Eagles trying to match him up with guys like Roy Williams, Hakeem Nicks, etc, or even some of the smaller TE’s like Fred Davis. If the Eagles put him in situations that play to his strengths, he can be a very effective role player.
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Fair enough
I don’t think its a surprise that I was really unimpressed with Macho last year. There is that one stat line I like to bring up (cough ~142 QB rating against cough), and I think that barely being able to beat out Sean Jones for consistent playing time (Macho had like 30 more snaps) showed a lot. I’ll leave my judgment as Hater Until Proven Otherwise. I would love for him to succeed as nickel/dime CB, but I shall let him try to make me forget last year.
Harris belongs on the ‘Island of Misfit Secondary Players’ because he is too slow to play on the outside CB or FS and I don’t know if he has the agility to play underneath as a nickel corner vs. slot guys.
Yeah he could matchup against bigger WRs or smaller TEs but you could just as easily see teams flipping that and getting a favorable matchup against him. Just a general liability out there because he has more minuses than pluses.
The real kicker though is his play on special teams. If he was a good special teams player, he would have alot more value. He was comically bad as a KR though and really made no impact at all on either of the kick coverage units.
Since Jackson is done for the year and the Eagles are already thin in the secondary, my bet is Harris makes the cut but just barely. A backup CB who can’t cover and isn’t a contributor on special teams doesn’t have much value in the NFL.
That sounds like a good role for Macho
Inside corner, since he’s got a safety mentality and safety speed but corner experience. If the linebackers really cover better and Macho/Hanson accentuate the play of our starting corners, I’ll stick to the line that having Ellis Hobbs start is not the worst problem a team can have.
I really want Demps to be good too, BTW. He made such an ass of himself that I’m actually sympathetic.
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Just a little aside...
Herremans and Jackson were running some basic conditioning drills while the rest of the guys were doing the “contact” drills. After watching the full team drills, I looked back over at the big fellas to see Herremans running routes with David Akers passing him the ball. Quite a weird sight. Funny thing is, Herremans seems to move like a tight end, bad foot and all. And Akers has a pretty strong arm. Both of these alternate skills are unfortunately completely useless to the team.
FG Fake?
PAT fake? You know what tricks Reid likes to pull
by eaglemaniac814 on Aug 2, 2010 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m hoping that this one case of no news is good news
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by sowhatifitisasportste on Aug 2, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
If I didn’t follow the Eagles and someone were to ask me to pick out a player on the team that I thought tore his ACL last year, Bradley would be among the last 5 players I would guess.
People ask me this all the time.
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Great post
wish I would of gotten to catch up with you on Saturday! I fully agree. Sims and Cooper caught my attention the most. McCoy was looking great out there but it didn’t look like the line was getting low and giving 100%. But he did look impressive.
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I like what you are saying about Avant
It’s great to have a character guy take a leadership role on the team. Everything I’ve seen/read about him have been positive and shows him as just a genuine guy. I’m very excited to him not only take on a leader-like role, but also showcase the play to back it up.
Hank Fraley?
With Nick Cole looking as bad as he did on snaps and Fraley being cut by the Browns last April should we go after this guy as a short-term replacement until Jackson is 100%? Honestly I don’t know if he is officially retired or someone else picked him up but i’d rather have an over the hill center over a center who can’t snap the ball to save his life.
by MidwesternEaglesfan on Aug 2, 2010 5:09 PM EDT reply actions
Other Thoughts
I really hope Charles Scott AKA Mr. Football makes this team. He never fumbled in college and is the power back that can drag defender and get tough yards that the Eagles need badly. Also, I feel for Chad Hall because there is no way we will have more then 6 wideouts on this team(D-Jack, Maclin, Avant, Cooper, Baskett,Washington). Basically if Chad Hall is a dynamic return man in pre-season he might make the time, otherwise St. Louis will pick him up. Maybe we should trade him after the first pre-season game for like a 5th round pick or a center.
by MidwesternEaglesfan on Aug 2, 2010 5:14 PM EDT reply actions
LeSean McCoy – I read his
Last year, I was trying to find something dancing. Here you just gotta hit it. You get in the open field, then make your move… Just learning and feeling more comfortable, feel more comfortable than ever.from your other post and I was sold. All last year I was yelling at the TV “Stop fucking dancing and hit the damn hole”. If he’s truly figured that out … well he’s going to be dynamic.
Riley Cooper – He is dreamy … like I said above this guy was Tebow’s life line he wasn’t always the first mark but when Tebow got in trouble he almost ALWAYS looked to Cooper. You need that kind of dependability.
Hank Baskett – ugh I always thought Hank was a well liked Greg Lewis, I could do without him.
Stewart Bradley –
For such a big guy, he’s moving around fluidly and making plays – He’s back.Best.News.Ever. He’s had a year so he should be confident on that knee and that’s really what you need more than anything, the confidence to cut and shove off.
Jason Avant –
He’s awesome.He’s awesome.
Charles Scott – I’m not sure where he would fit. He’s not going to take over for Pro Bowler Dream Weaver. Can he be the third RB behind McCoy and Bell?
Winston Justice – I may have been one of the few that wasn’t worried about Justice after the horrible Giants game. My faith in Reids ability to recognize and develop lineman is unparalleled.
BTW thanks for all the work Jimmy it really helps those of us who haven’t made it to camp yet feel like we were actually there.
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Chad Hall
Chad Hall was the Mountain West Conference player of the year. One or more of the opposing head coaches stated that he was the premier player in the conference, and this is a conference with a number of premier players. If you can look past his size and focus on what he does on the field, it is clear that he belongs on an NFL team. If his performance in preseason games is consistent with his training camp play, he will be on the final Eagles roster. And when he gets on the field, he will make Eagles fan happy that he is there.

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