The Linc - Jason Avant wants you to get married
by JasonB on Jul 4, 2010 1:20 AM EDT
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instead of getting his party on, Avant is all about his young family and about encouraging his teammates and others to embrace the institution of marriage. Avant has even gone so far as to get involved with the opening of a wedding chapel in Center City. That's right, a wedding chapel.
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I'm a bigger Jason Avant fan than I was before
Dude’s got it right. Our society is so in need of a philosophical shift from the craziness of uncommitted relationships and casual divorce to having it be cool to be committed to one mate for life. As a fellow Christian and married man for 17 years, I love that there’s a player on my team pushing traditional values. May God bless JA with a huge year to benefit the team and to give a bigger platform to Jason’s traditional views. I would approve for both reasons!
Divorce rates are certainly up
But I don’t think it’s because morals are eroding or anything. I simply think that relationships are much different now. Most women have to work as well, and often times full time with jobs equal or better than their counter parts. Most divorces are because of financial problems and now that a lot of women have their own incomes it’s much more plausible. But I agree it would be nice to see people commit to their vows and work things out as no one ever said marriage was easy.
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
nature is the same as before
It certainly doesn’t help that society doesn’t make a big deal about someone getting divorced anymore. “You deserve to be happy” is the pervasive mantra. But sadly a very great majority of the time, the heartache and loss that comes with divorce is way too much compared to the “freedom” and “happiness” that follows.
People seem to forget that if you want to get a divorce to get a better relationship, it’s still you that’s in the new relationship.
But yes, marriage is certainly not easy. A guy on the radio in LA and syndicated elsewhere, Dennis Prager, talks about marriage and relationships a lot. He had a line that made me laugh, but was so true…he said “I’m not at all surprised by the divorce statistics, I’m surprised by the stay-together statistics. As different as men and women are, that any man and any woman can stay together for any length of time is a triumph of the human spirit!”
It certainly doesn’t help that society doesn’t make a big deal about someone getting divorced anymore
That’s exactly right Bisch.
I don't know what it is about your face,
[holds up fist]
but I just wanna deliver one of these right in your suck hole.
Which just reflects reality better
Back when there was a stigma attached to divorce and women had little to no financial options people were forced to stay in destructive marriages.
If those people had the options of people today then i doubt divorce rates would be much different between then and now.
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Don't forget all of the sandwich making back then.
Ah, If only I lived in those days.
I don't know what it is about your face,
[holds up fist]
but I just wanna deliver one of these right in your suck hole.
Now we have jimmy johns
2010-11 Predictions:
Kevin Kolb will go to the probowl and complete >65% of passes.
Jeremy Maclyn will have more receptions than Miles Austin & Steve Smith
Graham will have the starting LDE spot tied up by week 5, win ROTY, and have >10 Sacks
11-5 finish.
by corn on the kolb on Jul 5, 2010 11:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Dennis Prager can take his “Christian Nation” rhetoric and blow it out his ass.
E Pluribus Unum.
by captain nodar on Jul 4, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dennis is a Jew
And your comment makes me believe you haven’t heard more than a half hour or read more than three paragraphs of what Dennis has said or written.
Or you have, and are willfully obtuse.
Try again, Clyde.
Ok, bad wording, I should have stated “Judeo-Christian” nation. But the point is, Prgaer believes that the Bible is and should serve as the basis of the American way of life. I served 6 years in the Air Force, and I will be damned if I am going to listen to people like Prager tell me that as an American, I need to acknowledge the sanctity the Bible.
Prager believes that God (the Judeo-Christian god) is the only source of morality. Do you disagree with this Bisch? I have 3 children and have been happily married for over 10 years, but my devotion to my wife and family has nothing to do with religion.
If you choose to believe and live your live by Judeo-Christian standards, then more power to you. I will defend your right to do so with my life… that is what made me join the service in the first place. But don’t you dare tell me that marriage = sanctity, because contrary to what you believe, we are a nation of many different cultures, views and philosophies, and the preservation of that freedom is what defines the American way of life.
Anyway, I apologize for this rant, it is just a soft spot of mine. I will respectfully bow out of any further debate on this topic.
GO EAGLES!
by captain nodar on Jul 4, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
More agreement than disagreement, I believe
I believe the Bible should serve as the basis for how Americans live, but I wouldn’t want the government to force anyone to live in any manner, unless that manner prevented anyone else from living how they want. I’m a libertarian, in addition to being a Christian. So yes, I believe my way is best, but I want people to be convinced to follow, not coerced or forced to follow.
I do believe the Judeo-Christian God, the God of Abraham, is the only source of morality. If he is who I believe he is, and who I believe he says he is, there’s no other logical conclusions.
I believe a great preponderance of the founding fathers were at least theists, if not orthodox Christians. It’s all throughout their writings that they recognized God’s sovereignty in the founding of our country. I believe there are inherent divine blessings that go along with such a founding. We may be at the tail end of them, but I believe our country was blessed and protected because of our past adherence to God’s ways.
It’s been twisted greatly in modern discourse that Christians want to dictate to other Americans how they should live their lives. Other than the major 2 hot button issues, gay marriage and abortion, most Christians are content to allow others to live how they wish. I know I am.
We are no doubt a nation of many different cultures, views and philosophies. I would never tell an atheist he couldn’t have those beliefs. I would never tell a Hindu or Muslim or Jew anything of the sort. Having said that, I also am not willing to passively sit back and allow pervasive cultural changes take place which I believe will be detrimental to the long-term viability of our country. I’m just one guy, though, and can only do so much.
I’m also going to try like the devil, pardon the pun, to convince anyone I can that Jesus is who the Bible says he is, and he can be trusted and followed, and that he greatly loves each of us with an everlasting love, and that he died for us, like the Bible says.
But I completely and totally agree with you that, barring any lifestyle that is illegal, an American should be allowed to live as they please. And I am tickled and incredibly thankful that you joined the service to protect me and other Americans.
2 points I forgot the first time
1. It’s clear you have read Prager, so I take back my first accusation and say I’m sorry for it.
2. I believe you should, even though you don’t have to, acknowledge the sanctity of the Bible, because if the Bible didn’t exist, neither would our country.
This is idiotic
Your proselytizing has no place here. And your argument is factually inaccurate: divorce rates post 1990 are incredibly low: about 17%. Leave Jesus in your heart, dude. He’s not helping your argument.
1. My comment about how I liked a player on my team showing an advancement of traditional values is not proselytizing.
2. Divorce rates post 1990 are lower because far fewer couples are getting married. As pro-woman as the law is, I don’t blame one bit a man who doesn’t want to get married. He gets taken to the cleaners in the divorce proceedings virtually every time. That’s not to say it’s good for society for men to not want to get married, of course…it’s rather difficult to get divorced if you do not first get married. Looks like you’ve studied the book “How To Lie With Statistics.”
3. Your smarminess is pretty disgusting. I do hope the future holds more acceptance and tolerance of the Christian point of view from you. You’re pretty closed off and intolerant as evidenced by your reaction. Clearly a bunch of the other commenters aren’t a Christian and they managed to keep the discussion to the topic at hand.
Um
1. Yes, in fact, it is proselytizing when you use your comment as an opportunity to demean the “craziness of uncommitted relationships” and you talk about how morality can only come from Christianity. What does that make non-Christians? Think about it.
2. Again, and as usual, you’re wrong. Read this: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/19/health/19divo.html The divorce rate has nothing to do with the number of people getting married; it is a percentage of the total number of marriages itself. So who’s lying with statistics? Or rather, who understands statistics? Not you.
3. This is a Philadelphia Eagles blog. So instead of worrying about how closed off and intolerant I am, especially after your diatribe, stick to sports. Bottom line.
your hatred for Jesus is clouding your judgement
1. Please go to www.dictionary.com and check out the definition of proselytizing. I am doing nothing of the sort, especially in light of my first comment.
Also, I said morality can only come from God, not only from Christianity. There’s a subtle difference.
2. You’re in over your head, brother.
Let’s say there are 50 men and 50 women in a pool of possible marriages. Under normal circumstances, 40 marriages would occur from this pool. Due to societal pressures, 25 of those 50 men decide that they won’t get married under any circumstances. Of the original 50 men, they all run the spectrum from wanting to fool around a lot and stay away from committment (side A), to wanting to get married early and stay married due to religious or moral reasons (side B). So if the societal pressures push half of the men to not get married, what end of the spectrum do you think those 25 men came from? Would you believe they’d tend to be on side A of the spectrum? So then we have 25 men remaining, mostly leaning toward side B of the spectrum. This really isn’t rocket science.
Oh, and I can post links, too…
http://www.nationalaffairs.com/publications/detail/the-evolution-of-divorce
from the article: “Second, marriage rates have fallen and cohabitation rates have surged in the wake of the divorce revolution, as men and women’s faith in marriage has been shaken. From 1960 to 2007, the percentage of American women who were married fell from 66% to 51%, and the percentage of men who were married fell from 69% to 55%. Yet at the same time, the number of cohabiting couples increased fourteen-fold — from 439,000 to more than 6.4 million. Because of these increases in cohabitation, about 40% of American children will spend some time in a cohabiting union; 20% of babies are now born to cohabiting couples. And because cohabiting unions are much less stable than marriages, the vast majority of the children born to cohabiting couples will see their parents break up by the time they turn 15.”
This quote is about halfway down the article. What follows is also valuable to discuss the issue. And for your edification, the population of the USA was just under 200 million in 1960, and about 300 million in 2007 according to
http://www.forecast-chart.com/graph-population.html
No dishonor in admitting you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. What’s dishonorable is for you to continue to pretend that you do.
3. Well, my first comment was directly related to a link Jason Brewer (the owner and editor of the site, maybe you’ve heard of him) posted. So if you’re unhappy about the content, I believe I’m the wrong fella to which to complain. If you’re unhappy about his choice of content, perhaps a different site would suit your fancy better.
Just wow
1. First of all, I love that you assume my ‘hatred’ for Jesus. I never met the guy. I don’t even know that he existed. Neither do you. But your comment just shows the type of irrationality with which I’m trying to argue here.
2. So morality can only come from God. Sorry about that confusion. So were you talking about ‘divine command theory’? So, when the God of the Israelites commands the rape and slaughter of other peoples – is that the morality to which you’re referring? And surely you think the moral values of Krishna and Yahweh are equivalent right? Don’t be obtuse and try to walk back what you really meant.
3. We won’t come to an agreement on marriage and divorce, although I commend your arrogant and pompous take on the subject. Let me ask why marriage is so important anyway? For your puerile notion of ‘traditional values’? Maybe you can buy your wife from her father like your forbears did. Nothing more traditional than that.
4. Jason’s post was on marriage and Jason Avant’s take on it. It wasn’t intended as an invitation for you to go spew your ’Society is fucked, we need religion, America needs Jesus" nonsense.
Take care, pal.
1. Your hatred of Jesus does show. You don’t like to be told what to do. I understand that, as I don’t like it either.
And your Atheist 101 comment about that I don’t know that Jesus even existed is pretty amateurish. I suppose you also throw out Alexander the Great, and countless other historical figures. It’s the height of absurdity to question whether Jesus existed, in my opinion. The tesimonial and documentary evidence is overwhelming.
2. So where does morality come from, if not from God? PS: Please provide the reference where God commands rape.
By my definition, morality has to come from God, so also by definition, any act that God performs cannot be immoral. It’s logically impossible for that to not be so. Whether you or I like the act is immaterial.
The moral values of Krishna and Yahweh, in my opinion, are not equivalent. I am serious that I don’t know what your accusation involves about my being obtuse.
3. Thank you for indirectly admitting you were wrong by not rebutting anything I said about marriage/divorce/statistics.
I’m absolutely, unequivocally correct about marriage/divorce/statistics, so I can afford to be arrogant and pompous on this subject.
Marriage is important because the nuclear family is the foundation of civilization, and has been for thousands of years, and marriage brings stability to that nuclear family like nothing else does.
4. Go read my original post and let me know if you think it reflects your paraphrase of my thoughts. Society is fucked, and America does need Jesus. But I said no such thing in my first post. Do you think uncommitted man-woman relationships and casual divorce have even no effect on society (nevermind a negative one)? I can’t imagine even you believe that.
I accept your apology.
Mmm
Thanks for accepting my apology. You Christians are so loving! Your pastor must be so proud of you.
1. Sure, let’s throw out Alexander the Great. And Socrates. I have no problem with that, because I don’t believe they died for my sins. And what ‘overwhelming’ documentary evidence? You should read books other than the Bible. It opens up your mind a bit. There are probably 2 other references to Christ in the 100 years after his death. If that’s overwhelming to you, I now see why you believe. The threshold must be amazingly low. Tell me about how the women at Salem were actually witches too.
2. I find it hard to believe you take yourself seriously as a Christian, and that you profess to be ignorant about Yahweh and rape. http://www.evilbible.com/Rape.htm I said earlier you should read books outside of the Bible. Maybe you want to re-read the Bible too, and not skip over the parts you find seedy and horrific. So you believe any act God performs to be moral. So you believe when he commands (or condones) rape it is moral. Nicely done. I think you’ve lost the entire high ground of this argument, and have blasted a hole through Christian ethics. Again, well done.
3. The nuclear family is the foundation of civilization? Really? Now I’ll suggest you do some reading outside of Western civilization. That might be the root cause of your ignorance. Do you know what an ‘extended family’ is? Do you know there are lands outside America? Do you know that for the vast majority of human existence in many, many other parts of the world the nuclear family did not exist? Do you know about hunter-gatherer societies? Do you know the history of what initially constituted a marriage?
4. I have never suggested there was no impact for uncommitted relationships, let alone casual divorce. But I don’t see the need for a moral crusade that perhaps you or Jason Avant do. And I don’t see the article as an opening to proselytize (there’s that word again) about Christian ethics about which you have clearly little understanding.
I doubt we’ll come to any agreement here. So I’m going to leave this post as it is. Sorry if I’ve offended you, but if you’ve even thought for one second about how your posts might sound to a non-Christian, then I’ve done my deed. A little more thoughtfulness is not a bad thing.
1. 2 references to Jesus in the 100 years after his death that aren’t the Bible. Why doesn’t the Bible count? John, Peter, James, all saw him with their own eyes. All the disciples but John were willing to die for him. You know the Bible isn’t just one book, but rather a compilation of many books, right? You should not discount documentary evidence just because the Council of Nicea picked it as canon.
2. Excellent job of cherry-picking. None of those examples in your link has God saying “go and rape.” The most egregious example is where the man was raping the virgin, the dude had to pay her father and keep her. Consider the alternative; all would know she was raped, and no man would dare marry her. So it was for her benefit that the man was forced to marry her. It wasn’t that the girl was forced to marry the man. Read this and all of the other examples in context and I think you’ll have more clarity.
3. Is there a statement of fact in there somewhere? I gather you are saying the nuclear family isn’t important enough to protect. Is that what you’re saying? Why not make some statements instead of ask obviously sarcastic questions?
4. If this is actually true, then when you read what I originally wrote, the correct response would have been “I think Bisch and Jason Avant are both overstating the problem and the need for emphasis on keeping marriage strong. I think marriage in particular and society in general are doing fine and don’t need any help.”
Instead you said my comments were idiotic, vomited all over yourself with deceptively inaccurate statistics about divorce, and chided me for proselytizing.
I said I was a Christian in that first post. I didn’t say Jesus, God, Church, sin, salvation, resurrection, or any other word that would hint at my trying to convince anyone that they should become a Christian. Isn’t that what proselytizing is? Or is talking about anything to do with Jesus in any context?
I do care how my posts sound to most non-Christians. I admit I get a little evil pleasure pushing the buttons of non-Christians like you, ajay, who are constantly looking for a reason to be offended by any talk about anything even remotely connected, directly or indirectly, to Jesus.
So to all other non-Christians, I am sorry if you were offended by what I wrote. I certainly didn’t mean to do so, and hope you can forgive me.
To ajay, I pray something happens in your life that brings you to the cross, or at the least, allows you to see God’s ways more clearly than you see them now.
Well, well
I was actually going to respond to your inanity point-by-point again until I read the last, sanctimonious line. I had actually thought for a moment that you were one of the ‘good, humble’ Christians, but it seems like you’re the ‘head in the sand, I have the truth’ ones. There’s absolutely no way to have a rational discussion with you, because your faith is by definition irrational.
Good luck with your prayers, especially because all scientific trials of intercessionary prayer have shown it to be inconclusive. Your faith is a sociological construct, friend. If you were born in Greece 3,000 years ago you’d be praying that I open my heart to Zeus. But you’re probably not smart enough to see that. I wish I could be there when you realize that you ultimately threw away the only life you had for a fairy tale.
the all-knowing atheist
inanity, head in the sand, no way to have a rational discussion, faith by defnition is irrational, probably not smart enough.
are you done? don’t you see the irony that I’m the stupid one, but you can’t seem to carry on a heated discussion without resorting to name-calling?
the sad beauty of this whole societal evolution is that us Bible thumpers who believe strongly in the “sociological construct” are having kids like crazy, homeschooling them, teaching them history and math and literature, while the godless are teaching the few kids they do have about overpopulation and anthropogenic global warming and feminism. it’s not hard to see where this train is going.
even from a scientific perspective, I’m not betting on your side, ajay. it’s not looking good, long-term, for y’all. do you not agree, O great and wise atheist? what’s your prediction on how this story will end?
by Bisch on Jul 6, 2010 1:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I read again...
did you say intercessory prayer studies were inconclusive? not that it was scientifically proven? can you give me a link?
maybe you misspoke, but if not, that’s funny you’d bring up a subject that wasn’t a slam dunk for you.
also, I wonder if you’d entertain the thought that if God does exist, he may not be interested in showing himself in the exact manner demanded by people who don’t even believe he exists.
by Bisch on Jul 6, 2010 1:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Sadly
You are right about the Bible thumpers having kids. What a tragedy. I presume the little boy in your photo is your son. I mourn that he’ll never have a real chance to believe in reason, logic and science. But then again, I was raised a Christian and broke free, so I hope he will one day too.
I think this conversation has essentially devolved. If you want to blame me, that’s okay. I’m partly to blame. And if you want the last word, you can have it.
I have to go have some pre-marital sex anyway with a casual partner that I never intend to marry. I hope neither you or Jesus mind. Take care, friend. Go Eagles.
last word
I’d invite you to read a book called “I Don’t Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist.” The jist of the book is that for years we’ve heard that sound thinking is on the side of the atheist naturalists, and that unthinking “faith” is the hallmark of religious folks. The thinking folks have thought through their ideas and have come to the only logical conclusion there is, that God doesn’t exist. The religious folks have no good reason to believe they do, and are generally not as smart as the thinkers who don’t believe God exists. That pervasive idea is not even remotely true, and there are very good, logical, scientific reasons to believe that all of orthodox Christianity is true. They lay a slow, solid foundation, and end up that Jesus was who he said he was. It may be worth a peek. I’ll actually buy you a copy and mail it to you if you promise me you’ll read it…paul at bischoffproperties period com.
If one is to look at either worldview, one has to conclude that, from a purely scientific point, either belief system has holes that require a bit of faith to get through. That doesn’t mean that one or the other is correct, but to say that science has answered all questions about God’s existence or lack thereof, the origin of the universe, creation/evolution, etc. and has come back with a resounding “FAIL” to belief in God is quite disingenuous.
For what it’s worth, I have a BS in Civil Engineering from the University of California at Berkeley. I only say this to let you know I’m not a mouth-breathing 80 IQer. And my son and 2 daughters will continue to be encouraged to be ready to defend their faith, as the Bible asks. With gentleness. I’m still working on that part. :-/
Naw, I say you’re completely to blame… :-)
And finally, well played about the casual sex comment. That did make me laugh. I will continue to pray for you over the next week…let me know if you notice anything.
And yes, Go Eagles!
Hey
Thanks for the message. I can’t ask you to purchase that book for me, but I will take a look at it. Likewise, if there’s one book for you to check out it would be: “Why I Became an Atheist” by John W. Loftus, a former Christian preacher. And this guy is no scrub – he studied under William Lane Craig, probably the best Christian apologist of our generation. Maybe we could both learn something.
Best,
Ajay
Jason’s post was on marriage and Jason Avant’s take on it. It wasn’t intended as an invitation for you to go spew your ’Society is fucked, we need religion, America needs Jesus" nonsense.
Actually the whole article on Avant is about his belief in God and how he envisions a proper marriage. Avant is a devout Christian and talks about God a good amount in the article, which this post is about.
“We want to see people come back to what God said about marriage,” Avant told me yesterday. “In today’s society, you sound old-fashioned, but these are the things that work. I play in the National Football League, and I can’t say that it’s the most believing of those traditional values. As a matter of fact, people believe you are a player or a pimp . . . everyone is not like what you suppose them to be.”
&
“The reason I believe that my marriage is working is because my trust isn’t in my wife. My trust is in God,” Avant continued. “Whatever happens with my wife, my relationship with God is secure. I’m praying over my wife, that she has a mind to continue to serve God.”
Both quotes from Avant.
I don't know what it is about your face,
[holds up fist]
but I just wanna deliver one of these right in your suck hole.
This blog amazes me all the time...
I love how this blog delves in depth into the Eagles, but can also discuss other topics as well. Jason Avant is very courageous for sharing his beliefs, without sounding condescending or self-righteous. Last year, I read an article when he said that his beliefs in Jesus made him “tougher.” We in Philly know how true that is because some of the toughest players we’ve had hear were Christian guys like Brian Dawkins and Reggie White.
He is certainly an easy guy to root for because of his flawless play on the field (he was one of a handful of players in the league who literally had zero drops last season). And his integrity off the field really makes him a rarity.
Win and win some more...
On one of the other topics in this post, I completely agree that Kolb is “not afraid of the moment” and “should have an excellent season”.
I’ve been saying that a lot to friends and most don’t agree.. let’s hope he proves me right.
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by PhillySportsDave on Jul 4, 2010 11:18 AM EDT reply actions
Ha
A 12 sack season for Osi is a bit ambitious,,,,ain’t happening
"If I can get you to think twice, I'm in your head."
-Brian Dawkins
"Yeah, I like to hit people"
-Brandon Graham
How many 12 sack seasons has he had?
two by my count. And one of those seasons he had 6 in one game. I donno if he can get those numbers coming off the bench. Then again, if JPP is his biggest competition, then he might have to start even with his whiny attitude.
Nice article by Steve Wyche
“Dont sleep on the EAGLES!! and “Drafted a potential monster, defensive end Brandon Graham!!” Big words coming from SW.
Phillies in the World Series, Flyers in the Stanley Cup, now all we need is the Philadelphia Eagles in the Superbowl. Arlington, Texas 2011...
by STRAIGHTOYOURFACE on Jul 4, 2010 2:55 PM EDT reply actions
A tale of two athletes...
On the one hand, we have a man who delights in sodomizing dogs, running drugs with his homies, stealing watches at airports, and living a thug lifestyle that (probably) involves his Don Corleone fantasies where he orders hits on people. And many people here love him because he “keeps it real.”
On the other hand, we have a man who delights in spreading joy, embracing family and worthwhile friendships, living a good, clean life and working incredibly hard to build an amazing relationship with his family and a great kinship with Philadelphia fans. And many people here wouldn’t think twice about it if Avant were to leave.
God bless Jason Avant. I wish there were more athletes like you. It is my wish that your good example gets the fatman to feel guilty about embracing shitsack Vick.
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
And many people here love [Vick] because he "keeps it real."
And many people here wouldn’t think twice about it if Avant were to leave.
You’ve jumped the shark with that. Unless you’re counting the subhuman commenters over at philly.com, those sentiments (except for a few guys) go the other way around here.
Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. - C&H
It’s just his usual overly negative act. He knows people would be bummed if Avant left.
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You misunderstand me.
I don’t mean on BGN, I mean in Philadelphia in general. People go crazy for Vick for some reason.
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
Okay, I see.
The Vick love from those types of fans is a mystery to me too.
Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. - C&H
by alcatraz0109 on Jul 4, 2010 8:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It's like he fills the void Iverson left behind...
I feel sorry for Remis. How much hate is going to be spewed at Evan Turner because he’s a clean cut kid who doesn’t let his friends do drive-bys from his Bentley or assault girls with chairs in bowling alleys?
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
I for one would go apeshit if Avant left.
The only thing that I would be pissed about if Vick left was if we didn’t get a pick for the money we gave him.
I don't know what it is about your face,
[holds up fist]
but I just wanna deliver one of these right in your suck hole.
I can’t wait till Vick is off the team. I hate both the controversy he brings to the team and the fact that i have to choose between rooting for a guy who did what he did or renouncing my Eagles fandom.
(That said, it doesn’t really sound like Vick did anything worse than attend a perhaps ill-advised public appearance.)
vick's a thug
there is one thing i’ve learned as a boss/business owner and that’s character counts more than anything… whenever i’ve put my trust in people of questionable character, i’ve lived to regret it… and i’m not talking about trusting criminals… i’m talking about people who give a half hearted effort… when you need them to perform they always come up short… if the eagles wind up keeping vick, they’ll wind up regretting it…get rid of him… politely wish him well and move on… he’s not worth the risk!!!!
by Elmo the faithful fan on Jul 7, 2010 4:45 PM EDT reply actions
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