If Todd Herremans isn't healthy, the Eagles are in deep trouble
by JimmyK on Jul 27, 2010 9:29 PM EDT
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PrintRemember the Oakland game last year? Jason Peters went down in the first quarter with a knee injury, did not return, and with Todd Herremans still recovering from a foot injury, the Raiders walked all over King Dunlap in route to the Eagles' annual "Are you freaking kidding me loss." And therein lies the value of Todd Herremans. For my money he's not just one of the best guards in the league, he's also a very competent backup at LT.
The Eagles already have a player that's somewhat of a longshot to be ready for the opener against the Packers in Jamaal Jackson. In Andy Reid's latest press conference, it was revealed that Herremans would start training camp on the PUP list. Reid downplayed the significance of that, noting that Herremans feels fine, and that the team was keeping him out as a precaution. Now, per Jonathan Tamari, it appears Herremans is unlikely to play in the first preseason game on August 13th. Consider me concerned.
Without Todd Herremans and Jamaal Jackson, the Eagles' starting lineup would likely be as follows...
LT - Jason Peters - LG - Max Jean-Gilles - C - Nick Cole - RG - Stacy Andrews - RT - Winston Justice
Think some teams might try to take advantage of two slow-footed backup guards in Jean-Gilles and Cole, who would be playing side-by-side?
It gets worse - Here are the first players off the bench should any of the Eagles' remaining 5 go down...
LT - Dunlap - LG - Fenuki Tupou? - C - Mike McGlynn - RG - Tupou? - RT - Stacy Andrews (with Tupou moving to RG)
In a world in which Todd Herremans and Jamaal Jackson are healthy, the Eagles do have plenty of depth at every position along the OL. But if Herremans' injury is more serious than it's currently being reported, it could be disastrous. If talks with Chester Pitts start heating up, be very worried.
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Herremans out = bad news
Hey Dez, it's 2am do you know where your mother is?
by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 27, 2010 10:09 PM EDT reply actions
I know it’s a bit early to start thinking O shit plans but Flozel’s still on the market.
Hey Dez, it's 2am do you know where your mother is?
by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 27, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
he wont come play backup for the eagles.
^Nights Of Cabiria
by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on Jul 27, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Backup… If we sign him I would expect him to start somewhere on the line
Hey Dez, it's 2am do you know where your mother is?
by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 27, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
And this is his last year of earning potental. If he’s not signed by 1/2 way through camp do you think anyone will pick him up?
Hey Dez, it's 2am do you know where your mother is?
by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 27, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
um no
how wrong could u be .. i believe peters got hurt .. herremans slid over .. he sucked soo bad and kept getting beat that they rushed peters back in .. herremans blows .. hes a glorified back up hyped up by eagles fans
by jack is better than asante on Jul 28, 2010 3:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Guard vs Tackle 101
A Tackle is at the end of the O-Line so is more often than not asked to be focused on a pass blocking ability perticuarly on the edge rush.
A Guard is not on an island the way a tackle is so his pass blocking skills more often that not turn into fight the man in frount of you without needing to go left and right.
While to an inorgent fan it may seem the same however to good fans like you and I know the diffrence.
Hey Dez, it's 2am do you know where your mother is?
by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 28, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
inorgent
Love it.
If you dont like Big Red, then F#%@ You!
-Ricky Bobby
by GreenInBaltimore on Jul 28, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
AHAHAHAHAHAH love it,... and lets not forget
perticuarly on the edge rush
formerly known as Northern Eagle
um NO...a resounding NO
Remember how bad penalties killed us last year ? STUPID penalties? Flozell is one of the MOST penalized o-linemen around. Beyond which hes afilthy , grimy dirty , SCUMBAG of a player. I dont mean grimy like a certain tackle who played for us (cough “runyan”) who was just hard nosed and mean. I mean grimy like a snake covered in cooking lard. I personally would rather take a less talented but higher character player than have that jiz-rag on our team, and to top it all off hes DEFINITELY on the downside of his career. Isnt he like 32-33?
formerly known as Northern Eagle
third...oh wait
all in
formerly known as Northern Eagle
herremans last year = amazing
I focused on line play last year obsessively and when he came back he struggled for one game and then was outstanding.
^Nights Of Cabiria
by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on Jul 27, 2010 10:11 PM EDT reply actions
ugghhhhh this sucks...........
we cant take any chances we need Pitts, better safe than sorry, i can see being down one starter in Jamal but if Todd isnt good either we got problems. Not a good thing when were bringin in a new young QB.
Yes, Todd Herremans is essential
This is fact.
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Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
Don’t let JIBTA see that…
Let the beasting begin.
by TransplantedFan on Jul 27, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
where is Jibta?
Kolb - a heavy medieval war club with a spiked or flanged metal head, used to crush armor - Wikipedia of course
I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
RIP JJ
by sports00fan00 on Jul 28, 2010 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Headed for Cincy probably.
Let the beasting begin.
by TransplantedFan on Jul 28, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m so glad I’m not the only one who realizes the importance of Herremans.
They call me The Professor.
im ther wit ya homie
formerly known as Northern Eagle
herremans
he sucks .. hes a glorified backup .. he blows at tackle .. he was so bad we had to rush peters back into the game . he is average at guard .. he is nothing special .. and we should of took a guard in the first round .. which was a bigger need than an undersized DE
by jack is better than asante on Jul 28, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Think some teams might try to take advantage of two slow-footed backup guards in Jean-Gilles and Cole, who would be playing side-by-side?
Teach Max to snap a ball that way there is only 1 spot they can take advantage of
Hey Dez, it's 2am do you know where your mother is?
by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 27, 2010 10:25 PM EDT reply actions
Jamaal tore his ACL late December. Realistically, he will enter the season on PUP. In no way should he be in the Eagles plan A or Plan B for this season. They need to be in the mindset that there is a better than average chance that Jackson will not be contributing to the Eagles in 2010.
I don't see him playing at all this year
He blew out his knee in December, it takes at least 12 months to get into playing shape following that injury (probably 18 months to get back to full strength) and he’s a 330lb man who spends most of his time squatting. He might be cleared to play late in the season, but there is no point in running him out there for the last four or six games.
by Tracer Bullet on Jul 28, 2010 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
bs…herreman blows…hes just an asshole…his injury will let max starts…max is a complete stud…he will be in the next 20 pro bowls…plus max is a big black guy…he’s a handsome stud…herreman is white hes ugly fuck…
RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
there’s a small void in my heart that will never be re-filled….. OOOO Candy!!!
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I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
RIP JJ
by sports00fan00 on Jul 28, 2010 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I wouldnt say hes just one of the best but maybe even top 2 or 3
outside of steve hutchinson…whose better? Todd is easily our best o-lineman and for his position might be the best player at his position in the league. I mean like LG or Guard rankings in the league hes at least top 5, i think you can argue that Asante is in the top 5 CB and Q is in the top 5 SS and Akers for kickers but Todd is legit at his position. I do like Mike McGlynn a lot though I think he’s going to be the successor to JJ.
Herremans is good
but he’s not top 5 Guard good. And Peters is our best lineman. But nevertheless, we need Todd healthy and playing.
Remember...
How not worried we were about offensive line last year? Maybe the fact that herremens isn’t practicing but says he’ll be ready by week 1 will in the long run be a good thing… Give everyone else the reps they need to get better while it doesn’t count
by Johnny G on Jul 28, 2010 2:20 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
If only there was a
pool of college players the Eagles could have scouted to help solidify depth with future starters on the offensive line.
Man that would be…o wait
I think your front office made a huge mistake with all their "draft magic" this year
as with the Cowboys draft of ’09, I think the Eagles will come to regret not drafting an O-lineman or two with all those picks.
Ich bin ein Berliner--JFK
Nope. If Andy Reid and Juan Castillo didn’t see any O line men worth drafting, then there weren’t any talented enough. Besides the girls burned themselves because all their starters were up in age, our O line is quite young and still has 5 or 6 good years together as a full squad. We will most likely look at O line next year.
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"There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them." Bruce Lee
"This fucking game is over!" Chuck Bednarik
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by Talon Talent on Jul 28, 2010 7:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I think there’s some validity to HudBaby’s assertion. I mean, the Eagles did have 13 picks. They addressed a number of potential problem spots (DE, FS, CB, LB, etc), and I really like the players we drafted, but I can’t say I wasn’t a little surprised that an OL wasn’t drafted.
That said, if Herremans is indeed healthy and this precaution stuff is legitimate, there’s plenty of good, solid OL depth on this team. But Herremans is the one guy on the OL the Eagles can ill-afford to lose.
Formerly Bye, Dawk :(
I was actually kinda intrigued when in the 4th round Bruce Campbell was still available and we had all those picks. I was like, hmmm as a 4th rounder and with Castillo, we might be able to make him realize his full potential, but when it comes to O line, I rarely question Reid’s prowess at finding ones that’ll work out. Yeah I was little shocked that we didn’t draft one since that is pretty much a staple of a Reid draft, but if they didn’t see the talent I can’t question the man’s decision.
"I will never have my best season," Brian Dawkins
"There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them." Bruce Lee
"This fucking game is over!" Chuck Bednarik
"Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth" Mike Tyson
by Talon Talent on Jul 28, 2010 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I hate this
it was last year too…
We get excited about the season, and then freaking injuries just make sure we never reach potential, so we have to start thinking about next year…already…..
I wish they would at least just tell me straight up: “This is a BIG deal!”, and that way I could at least emotionally prepare myself
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
This is why
nanobot technology needs to be implemented. We could inject that shit and it would repair his ankle in no time flat. go nano!
"I will never have my best season," Brian Dawkins
"There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them." Bruce Lee
"This fucking game is over!" Chuck Bednarik
"Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth" Mike Tyson
I hope
You were knocking on wood when you were writing this post…
by Smitty2K3 on Jul 28, 2010 8:02 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Herremans is generally overrated here. He’s a solid starter and who does many things pretty well. Nothing amazing though with a few games a year where he struggles a bit & generally does that much push up front in a short-yardage situation.
Still, the Eagles don’t have an answer if he misses alot of time. Maybe the ‘new and improved’ MJG who isn’t overweight and out-of-shape actually has improved a bit. Can’t be much worse than the Dallas games last year. One of the guys I am really interested in seeing how he plays in camp because he likely will be a critical guy for the Eagles this year.
Stacy Andrews tore his ACL on 12/21/08, and was an opening day starter last season.
Jamaal Jackson tore his ACL on 12/27/09.
Granted, Andrews played horribly, but the fact is… he played. It’s very possible that Jackson sees the field this season.
Formerly Bye, Dawk :(
It's POSSIBLE
But anybody who watched Andrews would say he shouldn’t have been playing and since he got benched, it was clear the coaches felt like he shouldn’t have been playing.
by Tracer Bullet on Jul 28, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
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