This Might Be The Reason AJ Feeley Never Made It As A Starter
by JasonB on Jul 21, 2010 1:33 PM EDT
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Anthony Gargano put up part two of his bass fishing odyssey with Eagles QB Kevin Kolb and just like the first part there are some interesting little tidbits. The stuff that caught my eye this time was the reactions of certain people in the organization to Kolb... namely the QBs.
First, AJ Feeley. We pick up in the middle of a story of a guy that Kolb has followed since he was in HS, Drew Brees.
What would Drew do? Drew would study and watch film until he had cottonmouth from staying up so late and bust it in practice and Kolb can darn well relate because that's how coach's kids approach the game. And so there was this one time, according to one eyewitness, in which backup quarterback A.J. Feeley admonished Kolb for busting it too hard in practice because McNabb wasn't and therefore Feeley wouldn't and therefore Kolb was showing them up in front of the coaches and Kolb refused to bend. He just shrugged and moved on.
We certainly wouldn't want a young guy working too hard in practice so he ya know... becomes good and takes your job. Which he did... Speaking of taking someone's job, Gargano also discussed Donovan McNabb in the piece. He quoted a former player(cough Ike Reese or Hugh Douglas cough) as saying that McNabb was threatened by Kolb from the moment he was drafted, which is understandable... He also said that McNabb Kolb was a reason McNabb welcomed Vick so willingly last year.
The former player also said one of the reasons McNabb embraced Michael Vick so much last season was to block Kolb further down the depth chart and that McNabb texted Vick during the recent round of OTAs and asked about Kolb's progress in the middle of the conversation.
That's always been the enigma of McNabb. We know he has insecurities & jealousies just like everyone. But of course he'd never admit it and has only ever publicly supported and said nice things about Kolb even after he was traded. Like we discussed back when he was traded, the difference between the public and private McNabb has at once been maybe his greatest strength and weakness.
So does anyone want to start the "I want to go bass fishing with Kevin Kolb" blog?
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“Whatever Andy wanted, I would have given him. A one (draft pick), a two … two ones. No joke. Kolb is legit.”
- Tom Heckert, Browns GM
Wow.
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I was just going to do a separate post on that… unreal huh?
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Crazy. Now I want to know what other offers were out there, haha.
Obviously, we fans knew the Eagles’ front office / coaches had to have a lot of confidence in Kolb to boldly trade McNabb to the Redskins. That’s a given. But a quote like Heckert’s takes that thinking to a whole new level.
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I want your first and secound for the next 5 years
by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 21, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
no thats retarded
1 franchise qb for 2 first unproven rouinders? NO NO NO NO NONO
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
Unproven to everyone but the Eagles Coaching staff
they knoew the kid inside and out
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
"Whatever Andy wanted, I would have given him. A one (draft pick), a two … two ones. No joke. Kolb is legit."
- Tom Heckert, Browns GM
Is this legit?? Where did you guys see this quote
If Andy turned down two 1st round picks then I have no worries about Kolb.
Andy has an excellent eye for QB’s and if he values Kolb that much, then I’ll be expecting great things from him.
I don't know what it is about your face,
[holds up fist]
but I just wanna deliver one of these right in your suck hole.
That being said...
if Kolb turns out to bust then all of Philly will go apeshit.
I don't know what it is about your face,
[holds up fist]
but I just wanna deliver one of these right in your suck hole.
That's putting it lightly.
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by alcatraz0109 on Jul 21, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Seahawks didnt offer 2 1st rounders
They were interested in him, so we put some crqzy ass price tag on him so they had no possible offer to get him
by Desean Da Man on Jul 21, 2010 2:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It says that Heckert would've given up 2 1st rounders.
And they would’ve been high too because its the Brown’s picks.
I don't know what it is about your face,
[holds up fist]
but I just wanna deliver one of these right in your suck hole.
I didnt excatly read the link
But now tht it is a front page story its aite
by Desean Da Man on Jul 21, 2010 5:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I obviously didn't read it either.
Now that I have I realize that Heckert said that while he was still with the Eagles.
I don't know what it is about your face,
[holds up fist]
but I just wanna deliver one of these right in your suck hole.
It wasn't talking about the Browns' picks.
It was talking about if Heckert had taken a job with ATL a couple of years back. The fact that he never did take the job makes this comment almost meaningless to me. It’s easy to make a statement like that about a hypothetical situation that is in the past. To me this statement doesn’t mean anymore more than if he had said “I think Kolb will be very good”.
See above comment.
I don't know what it is about your face,
[holds up fist]
but I just wanna deliver one of these right in your suck hole.
I assumed he was talking about this offseason
Because there were rumors of kolb for seahawks two first rounders
by Desean Da Man on Jul 22, 2010 1:55 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No
He said he would’ve done it at the time he was offered the job as Falcons GM which were prior to them draft Matt Ryan, so we’d have Falcons 2 1st rounders in 2008
We know he has insecurities & jealousies just like everyone.
I forget the exact quote but after we had drafted Kolb, I remember ESPN had tracked down McNabb at an event and you could tell he knew he was on due time. Also I didn’t believe it at the time but maybe people like Ray Diddy were right that if Kolb had done better in the Baltimore game we would of seen the Kolb era sooner.
sidenote
Is that the DT logo in your profile?
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Grain of salt, guys...
“There was this one time, according to eyewitnesses…”
Without more support than that, I’m not ready to buy in.
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Im gonna call bs on the mcnabb shit
Why is he gonna try to ruin some guy just for his own greed. Mcnabb is alot of things just not an asshole
by Desean Da Man on Jul 21, 2010 2:34 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
AGREE!
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by Lombardi and Broad on Jul 21, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
If he wanted kolb ruined to keep his job, then thats for personal benefit which i call being greedy.
by Desean Da Man on Jul 22, 2010 1:57 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hype is getting to me
Damn that Gargano. He’s got me feeling like Kolb is The One and I wanted to keep a cool head about him.
It’s too late to turn back nowww..
by mvict on Jul 21, 2010 2:40 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Pretty much
Yeah, it’s getting harder & harder, especially when the praise is coming from people not currently associated with the Eagles and therefore have no reason to hype him incessantly.
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by D3Keith on Jul 24, 2010 9:39 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
McNabb is playing nice
since he read about the rattlesnake incident…
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." - Bear Bryant
I have been saying it forever now and getting blasted
but the biggest thing that bothered me about mcnabb was his EGO. he was always AWFUL at containing it and it wouldn’t surprise me one bit if it rubbed on other players the wrong way a time or two in the locker room.
even though TO was an ass clown he might’ve been right when he accused mcnabb of getting jealous of all of his hype
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I wish you applied the same skepticism when receiving information that is anti-McNabb that you do when you receive pro-McNabb information.
at 34 years old
where is the pro mcnabb anymore? he’s old , inconsistent and not the playmaker he was..what do you want me to say thats good about him?
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Fair enough
I agreed with the McNabb trade, though am not real excited to play him twice a year. That was a comment to you I probably should have kept to myself.
I am excited to play him
He will be motivated like all hell, but I think it will finally show Eagles fans that it was the right time (probably a year too late) to let him go
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He still led this team to the playoffs last year. That’s the pro argument, a history of winning. If by some chance McNabb wins next year and Kolb doesn’t I’ll be interested to see your comments.
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I will analyze the situation if that happens
Remember, the Redskins HAVE good defenders
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Whether he becomes a bust or not.....
Kolb is a LEADER. He grew up in the locker room, he’s a coaches son….he’s seen and lived every INs and OUTs of a football team system, and he seems to be always liked by his teammates. Unlike many “leaders” of football teams, namely the QB, Kolb doesnt try and WIN over his teammates by “trying” to be “that guy”. Natural leaders go about their lives the way they want to live in a way where people WANT to follow…..These guys are rare enough in this league, so again….we can speculate all we want about this guy, but the bottom line is he is a true leader, he’s a great passer, FO has all the confidence in him, so do his teammates, and he’s got some of the best offensive talent any other QB has in this league around him. He is giving us the best chance to win a SB at the moment, and I think everyone (including all the critics) should realise that and leave the past where its suppose to be..IN THE PAST!
GO EAGLES !!!
KOLB is a natural born leader - something the Eagles haven't had on offense in a long long time. Prediction, we win a SB in the next 3 years.
Damn it
I just want to see this guy in action. Reading all this has got me stoked and waiting with baited breath. There is always that just maybe feel.
Anyone who lives within their means suffers from a lack of imagination.-Oscar Wilde
I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires.
Its like anything else in life though.....
Nothing is for sure, there is always room for doubt or failure……
But im with you man, I can’t wait to see some action….and some succes….this season (good or bad) is a refreshing start….Cant wait! :-)
KOLB is a natural born leader - something the Eagles haven't had on offense in a long long time. Prediction, we win a SB in the next 3 years.
Yeah Right!
A future HOFer with the finest QB stats ever in an Eagles uniform is worried about a kid who threw pick 6’s at Houston at crunch time and has shown the same flaw in the pro game (I’m more than willing to cheer him to reverse the trend.). But I just think like Eddie Murphy when he said, “You breath is so bad, I look forward to your farts!” My point is, you get a guy out there consistently throwing pick 6’s in the red zone and you will LONG for the day when your QB threw the mole level lasers to diving WR’s or those that practiced yoga and were able to bend over and pick it off their shoe laces! McNabb could really bog down at times. But so could Elway. But Kolb has so much to prove. McNabb didn’t and still doesn’t. I don’t buy the summertime feel good stories. I’m sure I’m glad everyone is feeling warm and fuzzy. But I will be here to tell everyone to give Kolb a break when he is not so great, because I think he should be given a chance to over come his deficiencies. You guys are expecting too much out of this guy. Give him a chance to fail first, learn from his mistakes and then make us forget McNabb. As for the article, you can find an article touting the improved Detroit Lions in some way. It’s July! All teams and QB’s look great.
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by Lombardi and Broad on Jul 21, 2010 4:19 PM EDT reply actions
Dude!
KOLB is a natural born leader - something the Eagles haven't had on offense in a long long time. Prediction, we win a SB in the next 3 years.
What have you just said that we dont already know???? McNabb is the Past, Kolb is the present…..people will get hyped up or become skeptical either way you look at it. If youre going to be a pessimist, then why are you even on here? Youre right IT IS JULY, and as a fan…you SHOULD BE excited about the QB and team…..if youre not….then go do something else, and let us have hope and get excited……THATS WHAT FANS DO !!!!!!!!
KOLB is a natural born leader - something the Eagles haven't had on offense in a long long time. Prediction, we win a SB in the next 3 years.
a kid who threw pick 6’s at Houston at crunch time
Nope. His final year at Houston, he threw for 30 TD’s and 4 INT’s. Only 1 of those INT’s came in a loss, it was not a “pick 6,” and it occurred in the 2nd quarter of a game in which Houston put up 36 points.
I’m all for the opposing side of an argument, but let’s chill out with just making shit up.
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by JimmyK on Jul 21, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wasn't specific in games but he did it in college and pros! That's my point. But read my
post. I want him to succeed. You McNabb haters want him to be better than McNabb. That probably won’t happen. You’ll remember what you “OWNED” me about the next pick 6! It’s a flaw dude and it’s already proven. He’ll get better at it.
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by Lombardi and Broad on Jul 21, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
30 TDs and 4 INTs in his senior year
Sounds like he’s already improved, at least from the player you depicted him to be in college.
And what makes him “better” than McNabb is subjective. If he has worse stats than McNabb but possesses the leadership qualities to guide us to Superbowls and win them, then he’ll be better than McNabb to me. Either way, no matter how bad it might get, I won’t reach a point where I’m wishing #5 was out there. Good riddance.
by mvict on Jul 21, 2010 7:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Better than
I’ll never understand why people have to be on either Team McNabb or Team Kolb. I’m a fan of both, for different reasons of course, but this infighting and bickering and comparing te two is outright silly.
I don’t care if Kolb is better than McNabb by any definition. I care if the 2010 Eagles are better than 2009, which is the only thing we can absolutely quantify anyway …
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by D3Keith on Jul 24, 2010 9:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
God I can’t stand McNabb apologists and they’re flawed logic, nor those that refuse to give any credence to observations that:
a) McNabb has always been insecure. Yes, he made a lot of awesome plays. Yes, he led this franchise out of the basement — but that doesn’t change the fact that he seemed almost paranoid at press conferences.. far from the confident starting QB of a storied franchise. He’d mope on the sideline, and when it’s pointed out the apologists scream that you can’t possibly know what’s going on in the locker room, therfore that sad look similar to a 10 year old who just got grounded for two weeks is meaningless. We don’t have any ratios, averages or totals to “back this up” so it must be discounted. Bullshit.
b) Kolb has proven nothing on the field yet, but between the observations of both his limited play and what his teamates around him have said all offseason, he is a bonafide leader and a guy that fires up his squad. You’re on crack if you ever could say that McNabb had this effect on his teamates. Again, we can’t wrap numbers around it, there’s no “pick 6” like game tape on it, so it’s discounted. Bullshit.
Keep wishing for Kolb to throw that pick six so you can feel better about your inane bullshit. You’ve been in the bag for McNabb, you have a bias, so don’t pretend like this is some football wisdom you’re dropping — it’s just a steaming pile of crap.
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couldn't agree more
the mcs***ferbrains apologists are just plain moronic…. like the worminator they admire so much, they are simply frightened children… I really had to laugh when I read where mcidiot wanted the eagles to sign vick so kk would be the #3… like that would protect him from any real competition for the job….. what an a**hole!!!! good ridance.
by Elmo the faithful fan on Jul 23, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait a second!!
“You McNabb haters want him to be better than McNabb” “You’ll remember what you "OWNED" me about the next pick 6! It’s a flaw dude and it’s already proven.”
1) Why are we McNabb haters by believing in Kolb?
2) Don’t’ you want him to be better then McNabb as well? I hope he’ll be a better QB than Elway and Peyton Manning!
3) Show me a QB who has never thrown an interception!
Brett Favre.
I don't know what it is about your face,
[holds up fist]
but I just wanna deliver one of these right in your suck hole.
no great player
in any sport is afraid to fail…only a weak kneed… immature… self conscious child thinks more about failure than success… mcstoopid didn’t (doesn’t) have the self confidence to be a winner… his numbers don’t lie… the low interception ratio to td’s tells it all… fear people… fear of failure… the telltale sign of a loser!!!!!! count me among the “haters”… it isn’t personal… it’s about wanting the team i root for to have a leader not a buffoon at qb!!!!
by Elmo the faithful fan on Jul 23, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
If that's not personal hate ...
… I’d hate to hear what you think about the buffoons you have personal problems with.
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by D3Keith on Jul 24, 2010 9:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If that's not personal hate ...
… I’d hate to hear what you think about the buffoons you have personal problems with.
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by D3Keith on Jul 24, 2010 9:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
FOrget whether it was Kolb or anyone… you can’t tell me that McNabb wasn’t at least a little threatened by the fact that his team took a QB at the top of the 2nd round right after he came off another major injury. Anyone would be at least a little threatened.
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i'm sure he was
In fact, I’m still wondering how much sayso reid had in mcnabb in the first place.
Its been proven that later he liked mcnabb, but he obviously wasn’t the right person for the job.
2010-11 Predictions:
Kevin Kolb will go to the probowl and complete >65% of passes.
Jeremy Maclyn will have more receptions than Miles Austin & Steve Smith
Graham will have the starting LDE spot tied up by week 5, win ROTY, and have >10 Sacks
11-5 finish.
by corn on the kolb on Jul 21, 2010 9:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You can tell that he felt threatened when they brought Vick in too.
You can tell that he was full of shit when he said that he personally lobbied for him to get signed.
I don't know what it is about your face,
[holds up fist]
but I just wanna deliver one of these right in your suck hole.
You can tell.
I don't know what it is about your face,
[holds up fist]
but I just wanna deliver one of these right in your suck hole.
I would be; we all would. I mean, think about it Jason. You are in the prime of your writing career (let’s pretend its actually your career) and SBNation says their gonna bring in a new young writer from ESPN to write about the Eagles. Now you know that this guy doesn’t have nearly the knowledge it takes to really write well about the Eagles, but he’s young, a good writer, and has the ESPN background (sounds good to outsiders, even though its not). Aren’t you a little worried that SBN might be replacing you?
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You forgot the part where
Jason tore a brain muscle that could affect his future writing ability.
by Team Serbia on Jul 21, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
And from that torn brain muscle he develops a down syndrome-type mental condition.
I don't know what it is about your face,
[holds up fist]
but I just wanna deliver one of these right in your suck hole.
I actually don't think "we all would"
People who have grown up competing are taught from a young age not to fear opposition but to take it on, and use it to bring out their best.
I don’t think it’s impossible that Donny figured he was better than Kolb & Vick and wasn’t worried about their presence.
I also don’t think it’s impossible that he saw the writing on the wall and knew Kolb was brought in to eventually take his job, which naturally put him on pins & needles.
Both scenarios are believable. Even a mix of feelings is possible. I don’t think there’s a right answer, personally, cause you can’t get in McNabb’s head.
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by D3Keith on Jul 24, 2010 9:51 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Stop being stupid
Donovan is a future HOF don’t criticize him to praise kolb, kolb hasn’t shown enough and i hope you guys are ready for a rebuilding year, remember anywhere from 6-9 wins earns merit as “rebuilding” so if Kolb guides us to the playoffs and beyond im sold, but don’t downplay the best QB in franchise history
by Dawks4Life on Jul 22, 2010 1:08 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
+++3000%
I hope Kolb is very good. I just doubt he will ever excel to the level of McNabb. Let’s see what other Eagle QB’s didn’t. Randall Cunningham (Who for a time as the “Ultimate Weapon” and was considered the best QB in the league), JAWS who was the 1980? Player of the Year, Norm Snead, Sonny Jerguson. None of these accomplished what Donovan has. I respect Kolb, but I’m not going to put pressure on this kid! Let him make his mistakes and develop him! If he is Norm Snead, I’m happy! (We win a Championship!)
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by Lombardi and Broad on Jul 22, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
THE PAST IS THE PAST.....
AND HE PRESENT IS NOW!!!!
GET OVER IT !!!!!!!
MAN !!!!!
KOLB is a natural born leader - something the Eagles haven't had on offense in a long long time. Prediction, we win a SB in the next 3 years.
lord have mercy
2 first rounders for kolb… and mcstupid is worth a second and a fourth…i’m not sure what kk is worth but the eagles got lucky getting anything for the moron!!!!!!
On another note, I see where the eagles one and two choices haven’t signed yet… if i were the gm of an nfl team i’d cut my offer 5% for every day of camp a rookie misses due to contract holdouts…if they don’t sign by the end of the first week of camp let em rot…these guys and their agents don’t get it… they need the nfl not the other way around… get signed… get on the field…earn your money and if you are as great as you think you are you’ll make $ millions…when you’ve proven your worth!!!!!
Finally, I am so glad mcidiot is gone… if vick get’s traded i think i’ll simply die from happinesss…
by Elmo the faithful fan on Jul 23, 2010 1:51 PM EDT reply actions
On another note, I see where the eagles one and two choices haven’t signed yet… if i were the gm of an nfl team i’d cut my offer 5% for every day of camp a rookie misses due to contract holdouts…if they don’t sign by the end of the first week of camp let em rot…these guys and their agents don’t get it… they need the nfl not the other way around… get signed… get on the field…earn your money and if you are as great as you think you are you’ll make $ millions…when you’ve proven your worth!!!!!
There aren’t any real contract holdouts going on; these guys are out on the field practicing while their agents do the negotiating.
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by PhillyFan20XX on Jul 24, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
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