Philadelphia Eagles Game Changing Offseason Moves: National media isn't wrong to doubt the Eagles
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Over the past month we've seen a lot of articles and tidbits coming out that rank NFL teams or various positions and invariably the Eagles are not counted among the top teams. Most recently, even the makers of Madden didn't show much faith in the Birds. 
Our community has generally reacted negatively to these perceived slights, but let's be honest... They're not wrong. The Eagles are a massive question mark right now. It's pretty hard to definitively say that the Eagles will be really good or really bad at this point. Many pundits have ranked them somewhere in the middle simply because they don't know what to make of this squad. Man for man they have probably the youngest offense in the league. Part of being so young is that these guys have little to no track record in some cases and many aren't that well known around the league. Other than DeSean Jackson, Asante Samuel, and maybe Jason Peters the casual NFL fan probably doesn't know much about any of these Eagles. Donovan McNabb, Brian Westbrook, Brian Dawkins, Jon Runyan, Jevon Kearse, Sheldon Brown... these were names that everyone knew. Hopefully that will soon be the case with the likes of Brent Celek, Stewart Bradley, Brandon Graham, & Kevin Kolb... but it's not yet.
Speaking of Kolb, there's probably no greater reason that the expectations for the Eagles have dropped. Having a guy that was among the top 5-10 QBs in the NFL like Donovan McNabb for the past decade made it easy for national media types to always count the Eagles as a contender. Now, the largely unproven Kevin Kolb is at the helm. Sure, we can look at the tape of his two starts and there's certainly some encouraging things in there... but two starts is hardly enough to prove that the guy is ready to be a franchise QB for the next decade. If the Eagles are going to rise back to prominence in the eyes of the national media, Kevin Kolb is going to have to be the guy that leads them there. Much of the Eagles' ability to prove themselves rests on Kolb's ability to prove himself.
Despite the new starting QB, the offense is probably held in better regard than the defense. The Eagles defense was average at best last year and arguably got worse as the year went on. Now veterans like Sheldon Brown, Will Witherspoon, & Darren Howard are gone which probably won't have a huge impact on the team(other than Brown probably) but they were names people knew nationally. The Eagles' D is relying on rookies like Brandon Graham & Nate Allen, returning injured guys like Stewart Bradley, and trades like Ernie Sims & Darryl Tapp to make an impact.
Perhaps most importantly, the question of whether Sean McDermott can fill the shoes of the great Jim Johnson is still unanswered. If all goes well and these guys live up to their potential then these Eagles are going to be good. Really good and they'll be that way for a long time. A lot of Eagles fans think this will be the case... but I really can't fault someone who has doubts.
That's part of what makes this coming season so exciting. Whether you think the team is going to stink, be average, or be great you don't really have much evidence to support your point. This is a very new and very young team which we're going to spend a season learning about.
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Exactly
who cares what the national media thinks about us it doesn’t change the fact that we have to go out and try to win this season.
Let's get it Birds.
Compare to 2008 Packers
Farve leaves after advancing in playoffs, they move on with Rodgers, who has an excellent year but the team loses a bunch of close games.
No reason to expect much different from the Eagles.
I doubt the defense will dominate. Therefore, will the offense be able to win the 4th Qtr? Can they run out the clock and hold a lead? Can they score quickly if need be? It is a QB league, so as Kolb goes so will the Eagles.
Any team with lots of question marks should not be favored for a playoff spot, especially in a reasonably tough division. I’m okay with the national perception. I expect it to be a learning season but not sure a dynasty is awaiting just yet since many players are in last year of their contracts.
I expect you to start off very well
then fizzle as teams get film on Kolb’s tendancies.
You have a ton of talent and will have no problem scoring. Stopping the other team, especially the NFC East teams, will be your downfall.
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Lets me realistic.
I completely agree with this article, and as a diehard Eagles fan, I have my own doubts. I know we have young talent, but I still have reservations. We have the ability to do well, but we’ll see how our team comes together. No one can say one way or the other.
In life, as in a football game, the principle to follow is: Hit the line hard.
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Always doubted...
Even the seasons when we had McNabb we were always doubted, last season ESPN had us going 8-8 and missing the playoffs. Remember when Garcia stepped in back in 06? Analysts said we would miss the playoffs and we ended up winning the east. It doesnt matter who we have someone will always have the birds not making the playoffs in their prediction.
The road to Easy Street goes through the sewer.
- John Madden
+1
KOLB is a natural born leader - something the Eagles haven't had on offense in a long long time. Prediction, we win a SB in the next 3 years.
Agree +1
This Eagles Team has a suspicious unknown nature that usually is the characteristic of a loser. I hope I'm wrong! E A G L E S EAGLES!
by Lombardi and Broad on Jun 7, 2010 1:24 PM EDT reply actions
Name that player!
there was a young, talented backup who took over for a long time bedrock QB. The media called the coach a idiot, since clearly he thought he was bigger than the QB. He was criticized for his arrogance in pesuming that this lightly tested backup might ever be half the QB that the seasoned pro was.
The coach, for his part, thought the team had a better chance to win with the newer QB, and anyway he had confidence in his west coast offense. He thought the younger guy would be able to be more productive than the older one. He had worked with him for a few years and saw him in practice every day. He knew he had a grasp of his offense, and trusted his instincts to turn the reins over.
The seasoned pro went to another team and had a couple of productive seasons, wih a QB rating of 87 and 84 before he retired. The backup took over the obviously better players and team from the older pro, and put up QB ratings of 101, 112, 92, 97, 104, and 101 in the next 5 years.
Name the old player and the young one.
Bonus round: Given that the old player was better than #5, how difficult is it to believe that Kolb will outshine DM next year, and do better than DM would have done in Philly?
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." - Bear Bryant
And I thought the Rodgers comparisons were a stretch.
I believe you are using the Montana/ Young situation here? I think it’s safe to say Philly fans will be more than happy with Kolb if he just so happens to be as good as one of the best QBs ever.
How is it a stretch?
Just because it’s one that worked out extremely well it’s a stretch? I think its an applicable comparison, and we can just really hope that it works out that well for us.
Yup
that was my point. DM wasn’t as good as Montana, I doubt Kolb will be as good as Young, but one thing about the WCO, they have a history of turning out QBs who can put up great numbers. I think given Reid’s history, we can trust his judgement if he thinks Kolb gives up the best chance to win today, and tomorrow!
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." - Bear Bryant
Because the only comparisons being made are the ones that worked out fantastic.
Lots of young-but-not-rookie-QBs have been groomed for a few years before taking the starting job from a once stable veteran. Many have not worked out. By reading these comparisons offered up you would think that grooming a QB for 2 or 3 years always results in him being a Pro Bowl quality QB right out of the gate. Fans are building up Kolb more and more before we ever get to the season. He will be nearly a demi-god by the time game 1 rolls around. If he’s great, no problem. But if he struggles, all the sudden we start questioning him because he isn’t as good as Aaron Rodgers. I see very little tempering of expectations. It seems to me that folks expect another playoff berth at the very least this year. I’m not so sure that’s healthy given our schedule and situation.
I agree with this article, we don’t know what the team will perform like this year. As easily as we could torch teams on the way to a playoff run, we could just as easily get mired in turnovers and a mediocre defense on our way to an 8-8 record (or worse). I think throwing Steve Young into the mix of Aaron Rodgers comparisons doesn’t help Kolb’s case when it comes to what’s expected of him (especially in his first year).
i've been struggling to think
Of a hall of fame qb that retired and left an unsuccessful successor that was groomed 2+ years in advance
2010-11 Predictions:
Kevin Kolb will go to the probowl and complete >65% of passes.
Jeremy Maclyn will have more receptions than Miles Austin & Steve Smith
Graham will have the starting LDE spot tied up by week 5, win ROTY, and have >10 Sacks
11-5 finish.
by corn on the kolb on Jun 7, 2010 10:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
True.
It just doesn’t happen that often.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jun 8, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
*Sigh*
Usually the QB position is the one that ages the best. Generally speaking (I’m thinking of Jim Kelly and Dan Marino) by the time they retire the team around them are pretty crappy. There are a few examples of a high caliber QB being traded and a young replacement groomed to take over for a few years being handed the reins. Two examples are cited by you as having worked out pretty well.
Sooooo, as COTK says, name a few examples where a groomed young QB took over for a traded veteran with a lot of talent around him and totally fell on his face. I can’t think of any. There’s a few really good reasons to think Kolb will be as good as McNabb was last year (remember that according to DVOA, McNabb was only #20 QB last year). Is it realistic to think that Kolb, while not equaling Young or Rodgers, might be a top 20 QB next year?
I think so. If so, there’s no particular reason to expect the 2010 Eagles to be a worse team than the 2009 Eagles, and some reason to think they’ll be better. You do not have to agree with me, but please do me the respect of not mis-representing my arguments. No one is saying he’s gonna be a demi-god. No one is saying he’ll make the pro bowl in 2010. We (or at least I) are just stating that he’ll be at least as good as #5 was last year, and we have a whole lot of indications that might be so.
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." - Bear Bryant
My problem is with the assertion that he will be at least as good as McNabb.
I don’t think that’s a fair expectation. Rodgers was not as good as Favre was the year before. You can look at all the stats in the world, but he struggled late in games and situations where experience counts.It wasn’t until last year that he really came into his own. I have faith in Kolb, but I fully expect a dropoff in QB play this year, regardless of our talent. Maybe Kolb will hit more slant routes in time, but he will throw more INTs too. And probably make stupid throws that give us all heart attacks. Expecting more, IMO, is setting ourselves up to be disappointed and possibly resent Kolb for throwing INTs we don’t like. You say no one is saying he will be a demi-god but I only see Rodgers and, now, Young comparisons. Those are lofty expectations.
(By the way, the Young comparison really is a bit much since Young had already proven himself by playing extensively for two seasons prior to that trade no? The Niners weren’t exactly taking a gamble on someone with only a couple games of experience. He even took them to the NFC Champ game before that trade was made if I’m not mistaken.)
I can’t think of any groomed QBs on a good team who came in and fell flat on his face, but I also never argued that would happen to Kolb either (not mis-representing words and such). I simply argued that expecting him to a Pro Bowler right away is silly.
[I just thought of Marc Bulger. He came in to a talented team and played really well actually. He did, however, throw just as many INTs as TDs in his first full year. Ultimately, Bulger has to be considered unsuccessful. He had a few years with some pretty numbers on a good team, but he never approached Warner in any meaningful way and he couldn’t help the team when the talent around him dwindled. He played well for sure, but his career hasn’t turned out very Steve Young-like.]
I think rather than looking simply at groomed QBs with a loaded offense from the get-go we have to consider groomed QBs as a whole. Good QBs can overcome bad situations, so it isn’t unfair to look further. Do all groomed QBs turn out well? Do they all have successful (for their situation) first years? I don’t know that that’s the case. Would we say that of Jason Campbell? We certainly wouldn’t say that of Brady Quinn. Chris Simms sat and “learned” for about two years and it didn’t seem to help him much. These were guys with talent coming out of school too.
I would ask what you expect of Leinart. Yes he struggled early, but he’s now had time to sit and watch and learn from a future Hall of Famer. He has talent, enough weapons to be successful and is on a team that made the playoffs last year. His situation is fairly similar to Kolb’s, though not identical. Do you expect both of them to have similar years?
When you say Kolb will be at least as good as McNabb was last year what do you mean? TD:INT ratio? 11 wins? Completion percentage?
For my part I expect a slightly higher completion percentage, a noticeably lower TD:INT ratio (though I have faith it will stay in the black), some really asinine throws to go with some pretty passes and fewer wins. All in all I expect it will be a frustrating, yet encouraging year. I think we will be a bubble team and our playoff hopes won’t be decided until late in the season, but I think missing them this year is entirely reasonable to expect as I think Kolb will struggle in places where game experience would help.
I just don’t understand why there seem to be so many who refuse to recognize that there is a real possibility that we will not be all that good this year. Yes we have an explosive offense, but there are enough questions that expecting success blindly seems strange. Center is a question. CB is a question. FS is a question. LB is technically a question, though it looks much better now than it did a few months go. RB is a question. And yes, I think QB is technically a question.
I'd say that the recent recession of the Rams royally screwed Mark Bulger.
Look at 07. The St. Louis defense was awful. Their offense lost arguably its best playmaker, their no. 1 and no. 2 wide receivers (Bruce and Holt) got no help whatsoever from the no. 3 WR and Tight Ends, and Bulger had to throw into coverage way too many times because of it.
The bad defense kililed what might have been a decent offense, and the Rams went 3-13 as a result (ugh…)
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jun 8, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
While I would agree, I don't see teams fighting for him in FA.
NFL coaches aren’t so naive as to think bad team= bad player. He did get screwed, but I’m not so sure he was ever as impressive as he seemed for those couple of seasons.
Well, when you have an ineffectual QB thrown in with the bad defense and no help for the top WRs...
Yeah, the Rams didn’t help Bulger that much. Bulger didn’t help the Rams that much.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jun 8, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
OK
So we lost two contributors… One in sheldon brown (I agree — big) and anothe rin McNabb who is on the down side of his career.
Westbrook (didnt play last season anyway)
Curtis (same as Westbrook)
Howard (played awful last year, wasn’t great as soon as he got here)
All these “vets,” besides Sheldon, were hardly any losses
All I’m saying is, our defense was the worst I’ve seen in years but I don’t see how we lose McNabb asnd Brown and all tlhe sudden a 11-5 team becomes a 6-10 team
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The point was, those losses do affect the way national observers see the team.
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And it's a perfectly good point, just a lazy one for them to make
The point was, those losses do affect the way national observers see the team.
It’s perfectly reasonable for people who pay close attention to football to see what the Eagles did by getting more versatile on defense and younger across the board, and turning the offense over to a passer who could be more effective in Andy’s system, where we throw on 3rd-and-short and in the red zone.
I would expect as we near the season, some prominent football minds will go out on a limb and back the Eagles.
But I agree with your overall premise here, Jason, that we shouldn’t take it as a personal slight. Even the writers who think we won’t be that good this year, a lot of them liked the draft and our offseason, and maybe think it will take a year or two to jell, which nobody here would be that surprised by.
I think what irks me, and if I may speak for all of us here, is that a lot of the predictions so far are just lazy. In the vein of “losing big names = must be worse.” Like every baseball writer automatically predicted that no Halladay meant the Blue Jays would finish 5th, and there they are in the mix so far. Or the Cowboys not making any splashy moves last year meant they didn’t get any better.
There’s plenty of precedent, especially in the NFL, for teams letting go of name veterans and not being worse. So I feel like if you want me, as a reader who does play close attention to the NFL, to respect your opinion, put some work into it and show me. Come up with a better reason why the Eagles won’t be good this year than “they’re young and McNabb is gone.” Because while that is definitely reason to be uncertain, it’s just as much a reason to argue they could be better than they will be worse.
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I don't think it's that we definitely become a 6-10 team, but that the potential for that is greater than before.
The potential that we will win 12 games is there too FWIW.
Our defense should be better overall, but CB is a question mark now, that can’t be argued. McNabb may be declining, but we knew what we had in him. With Kolb we know a little, but not much. He certainly could be great, but it will be his first season starting, so a decline in QB play for one year isn’t out of the question. With McCoy and Kolb playing so much more, it’s reasonable to think that our turnovers might go up, which can doom teams quicker than any 3-and-out. Lastly, you were the first and loudest to argue that our schedule wasn’t the hottest one around last year. You have said multiple times those 11 wins are less than impressive when dissected. That being said look at this year’s schedule. It’s tougher than last year, so the exact same Eagles team as last year could get 9 wins and it wouldn’t be surprising. Throw in a possible weakspot at CB, continued uncertainty at FS, and slight uncertainty at RB and QB and I think 7 or 8 wins isn’t out of the question for a prediction. 6 wins might be short-changing the rest of the team a bit, but I think the argument that the team will dip this year isn’t preposterous. When inexperience is a factor, predictors are going to hedge.
Hedge is a good word for it ...
… Playing it safe. It’s okay for people making predictions to do that, if they really believe what they’re writing. And I honestly think most of them just haven’t put much thought into the possibilities, and by the time we get through training camp, some of them might.
I don’t think the schedule argument is very reliable; lots of schedules look tough and turn out not to be. Last year’s schedule looked tough.
Certainly the Eagles could win fewer games than last season. Certainly it’s a safe pick to predict that. I just don’t know if being safe is better than being correct.
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I think the point is that it's impossible to be correct in this case.
We can only guess. There are plenty arguments to be made that say we should be better. But inexperience means something and we have a lot of it now. Our defense has the building blocks to be very, very good. But that doesn’t mean it will be very, very good this year. Or even very good. Other than the DE, I’m not entirely comfortable with any one area of D. LB I am very optimistic, but I recognize that there is in fact uncertainty there. I like McCoy a lot, but if he and Kolb combine for a lot more turnovers, we aren’t winning 11 games again.
The reason I think the schedule matters here is actually quite simple: QBs. If our CB situation is a weakness, we could lose to otherwise mediocre teams because of that hole. We play Aaron Rodgers, Matt Schaub, Matt Ryan, Peyton Manning, Tony Romo x2, Eli Manning x2, McNabb x2 and maybe Favre. Cutler very well could get his act together and be the QB he was two years ago, so throw him in there too. Now, the DE can certainly help us here, but with a rookie FS and who knows what at one CB spot, all those QBs have to be taken seriously. If the defense stumbles in this particular area, that’s a lot of pressure on Kolb and the RBs.
If we get in shootouts, turnovers can easily mean the game. So I am very interested to see if McCoy fixes his ball-carrying and if Kolb knows not just when to take risks, but when to not take them.
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I have no idea how we’ll do. We could go 6-10, 10-6, or…
That said, I am totally stoked for this season. As an Eagles fan of over 40 years, I’m looking forward to this year more than I have since TO’s first season. We may be sucking 5 games in, but I’m going to roll with this until/unless the wheels fall off.
It's "Kolb"ering time!
I agree. In the past several years it has been a safe bet to pencil the Eagles in for 9-10 wins and a playoff berth. It’s always been about whether they can finally win it all.
We can’t assume that this year.
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It defiintely has a different feel to it
I just don’t remember a time in my Eagles viewing life time where we had such explosiveness all around on offense.
More intersting to me is how we’ll play on defense. What’s funny is when we were ranked #2 in the NFL in 08 we didnt lose THAT many players in 09 as an average defense at best. So with a couple of new additions Bradley, Tapp, Sims and Graham, it should be really interesting to see how everything plays out.
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Yeah. This is the first season since 2002 where I haven’t come into the season in “Superbowl or Bust” mode, where the only thing that mattered was winning it all.
In my mind, this year, the season can still be a success without a SB victory. That sort of reset of expectations is kind of a relief.
That said, the scars of last year won’t be healed until they defeat the Cowboys.
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by Udalango on Jun 7, 2010 4:26 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Best picture ever.
That, Uda, is awesome.
I hope I am wrong, but Kolb is a four-letter word.
by Cowboy KILLER on Jun 7, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
That is pretty tremendous
Gonna hafta file that one away for the season.
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i got it saved so i can use it whenever someone hates on the Eagles
this is like my 3rd time using it
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It's at least my second time
saying it’s awesome. :)
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I think i used it as Cat scratch reader
they loved it there to haha
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better than expected
the eagles will be a much different team than in the past… just my guess, but i see more emphasis on power running… less screen passing… more effective passing and much better results in the red zone… better t.o.p…. the media always look to the past to predict the future… the past is meaningless… the eagles will be a much better team than last year!!!!
by Elmo the faithful fan on Jun 10, 2010 10:21 PM EDT reply actions
better than expected
the eagles will be a much different team than in the past… just my guess, but i see more emphasis on power running… less screen passing… more effective passing and much better results in the red zone… better t.o.p…. the media always look to the past to predict the future… the past is meaningless… the eagles will be a much better team than last year!!!!
by Elmo the faithful fan on Jun 10, 2010 10:21 PM EDT reply actions

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