Hang on to that thing tighter, Shady

As we all know, Donovan McNabb has the lowest interception rate in the history of the NFL, and although I'm personally very excited for the beginning of the Kevin Kolb era, I also think we're all expecting a spike in interceptions thrown, which has been discussed at length in the comment sections of this blog.
One thing that I don't think has been discussed yet, however, is that our other recently departed longtime Eagle great, Brian Westbrook, was also exceptional at not turning the ball over. His career stats (not including kick/punt returns)...
| Rushes | Receptions | Total touches | Fumbles | Fumble % | |
| Brian Westbrook | 1308 | 426 | 1734 | 8 | 0.46% |
Westbrook's successor, LeSean McCoy, is far too careless with the way he carries the football, and that is an aspect of his game that needs to improve this offseason. After the jump, we'll take a look at how Westbrook's excellence in ball security compares to some of the other active NFL running backs, and we'll look at some game film of LeSean McCoy's fumbles last season...
The following graph shows the active NFL running backs with a minimum of 900 career rushing attempts, in order from the the best to worst at securing the football. (Does not include the playoffs or fumbles occurring on kick/punt returns)...
| Rushes | Receptions | Total touches | Fumbles | Fumble % | |
| Brian Westbrook | 1308 | 426 | 1734 | 8 | 0.46% |
| Cedric Benson | 935 | 63 | 998 | 7 | 0.70% |
| LaDainian Tomlinson | 2880 | 530 | 3410 | 27 | 0.79% |
| Julius Jones | 1220 | 133 | 1353 | 12 | 0.88% |
| Thomas Jones | 2280 | 289 | 2569 | 24 | 0.93% |
| Ronnie Brown | 928 | 151 | 1079 | 10 | 0.93% |
| Larry Johnson | 1421 | 154 | 1575 | 15 | 0.95% |
| Fred Taylor | 2491 | 288 | 2779 | 27 | 0.97% |
| Willis McGahee | 1441 | 150 | 1591 | 17 | 1.07% |
| Clinton Portis | 2176 | 242 | 2418 | 26 | 1.08% |
| Steven Jackson | 1548 | 281 | 1829 | 20 | 1.09% |
| Willie Parker | 1253 | 84 | 1337 | 17 | 1.27% |
| Marion Barber | 929 | 163 | 1092 | 15 | 1.37% |
| Chester Taylor | 1028 | 265 | 1293 | 18 | 1.39% |
| Frank Gore | 1168 | 224 | 1392 | 22 | 1.58% |
| Ricky Williams | 2164 | 310 | 2474 | 46 | 1.86% |
| Adrian Peterson | 915 | 83 | 998 | 20 | 2.00% |
As you can see, we've been spoiled by Brian Westbrook's ability to hang onto the football for years. What the chart doesn't show, remarkably, is that 5 of Westbrook's 8 fumbles occurred on pass receptions, leaving just 3 on actual rushing attempts. Westbrook's ball security throughout his career here was simply outstanding, and Eagles running backs coach Ted Williams has some work to do with McCoy.
McCoy's fumbles last year...
Not a single one of McCoy's fumbles last season were the result of a big hit. On his fumbles against the Raiders and Bears, the defenders were able to simply punch the ball out of his hands. On his fumble against the Saints (although technically it wasn't 'ruled' a fumble), the ball was easily stripped out by Jonathan Vilma.
I really can't say it any better than what Cris Collinsworth said during the replay of Charles Tillman easily punching the ball out of McCoy's hands - "They didn't do that in college." And Collinsworth is 100% right - The number of fumbles LeSean McCoy had in his 2 years at Pitt, you might ask? None. In college, when you're so much better and faster than pretty much everyone on the field, defenders are just hoping to just bring you down. In the NFL, where everyone is a bona fide athlete, defenders are looking to make plays.
Love your talent, Shady, but you have to tighten it up.
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Wow
Never realized that we had the best ball carrier (and I use that term to mean literally capable of carrying a football without dropping it) in the NFL. Pretty… baller?
I have faith McCoy can turn it around. There’s plenty of examples of players who were once not so good at holding the football and then becoming magnets without losing any talent (the obvious case is Tiki Barber)
I’m shocked that Shady didn’t have 155 fumbles last year. Every time he carried the ball I was scared he carried it like a loaf of bread.
They call me The Professor.
So true Whodie, I remember a couple of times he looked like a point guard ball faking left and driving right.
by cavortingEagle on Jun 4, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea shady had me scarred a lot last year…can’t afford any heart attacks
by jjrome on Jun 4, 2010 12:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
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Nice article, again. Thanks for doing the work on the stats.
I don’t disagree that he’s playing with fire by holding the ball out like that, but stats wise he’s not horrible. He falls between Taylor and McGahee. 155 rushes + 40 recs = 195. 2/195 = 1.03%.
I didn’t count the third fumble because your stats for the other guys don’t count those either.
If he can keep that rate, or improve it, he’ll be in the better half of NFL starters at not turning it over. I knew Westbrook was good, but damn. No wonder we always gave him the ball with 2 minutes left when we’re just slamming it into the line over and over again.
Nice Post
LeSean McCoy needs to hold onto the ball like he was Tom Rathman. I like to see him live up to all the hype coming out of college. Thats rushing for 1000+ yrds and maybe 500 receiving yrds. Tony Dorsett said of all the comparisons to him coming out of the U. of Pitt that McCoy was the best one.
McNabb is one of thee proficent passers in the league and will probaby retire with that record in tact. That is 0.46 % not 4.60 % for Brian Westbrook with at least 900 carries. That will be very hard to do again.
Let’s hope that Kevin Kolb will show us how much of an accurate passer he is. All I hear is that hes going to throw more interceptions then touchdowns. I like to see more like 30 tds and 4 ints.
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by STRAIGHTOYOURFACE on Jun 4, 2010 10:45 AM EDT reply actions
Wow
That “fumble” against the Saints was flat-out ugly. Could he extend the ball any farther away from his body?
Two things Shady needs to work on… Tucking the ball away. And just taking the 3 or 4 yards when you can get ’em, rather than dancing behind the LOS.
Nice breakdown, Jimmy.
That's all nice and dandy.....
And hopefully Kolb and Shady’s turnovers don’t cost us many games……but even with having the best possession QB& RB before, we also had a QB that almost never took risks, and settled for 3&outs, punts/FG way too many times (which makes it worst when you have an inconsistent punter like Rocca or inconsistent special team) and no established running game (ie not moving the chains).
The new Eagles offense may end up giving up more turnovers, but the variety of different looks, a more accruate/risk taking better decision maker consistent QB (hopeful), a more established running game (just do it stuborn Big Red), and let’s face it, the best wide receiver/TE corp the Eagles ever had….. I like our chances more and more :-)
KOLB is a natural born leader - something the Eagles haven't had on offense in a long long time. Prediction, we win a SB in the next 3 years.
Wow, I knew Westbrook was good, but I didn't realize he was tops.
McCoy needs to fix this for sure. It may not have happened a lot last year, but he will be the fulltime starter now and the defenders will watch tape and salivate at how he carries the ball. Let’s hope he gets it taken care of. We were spoiled by McNabb and Westbrook. There will definitely be more turnovers this year than we are accustomed too.
good article
But I think you missed one important stat.
Where does mcnabb rate all time in terms of 3-and-outs? That’s pretty much the same as throwing a pick on a streak route.
We all expect kolb to throw more picks, and to be as good as mcnabb or better. How is this possible? Kolb’s accuracy will sustain drives where mcnabbs dirtballs ended them in a psuedo-turnover.
2010-11 Predictions:
Kevin Kolb will go to the probowl and complete >65% of passes.
Jeremy Maclyn will have more receptions than Miles Austin & Steve Smith
Graham will have the starting LDE spot tied up by week 5, win ROTY, and have >10 Sacks
11-5 finish.
by corn on the kolb on Jun 4, 2010 11:19 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Im confused by your signature, are those your actual predictions or are you being sarcastic? I only ask because you have Maclin spelled with a Y
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by midnitegreen on Jun 4, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
also
there’s no way Maclin has more catches than Austin, maybe Smith, but only because Nicks will also get more than him as he moves to the #2 target for Eli.
I know we’re moving into a new-look offense, but the reality is that we simply spread the ball around a lot. It’s a major part of our offensive philosophy. Romo will throw to Austin 15 times/games, whereas, even when TO was here, I don’t think he ever had more than 8 receptions/game
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i'm expecting
The league to have figured austin out enough that they don’t even force feed him enough. I’m also expecting dez to be a factor, plus more swing passes into their offense.
2010-11 Predictions:
Kevin Kolb will go to the probowl and complete >65% of passes.
Jeremy Maclyn will have more receptions than Miles Austin & Steve Smith
Graham will have the starting LDE spot tied up by week 5, win ROTY, and have >10 Sacks
11-5 finish.
by corn on the kolb on Jun 5, 2010 12:16 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i'm serious
But I give the nod to the famed maclyn post
2010-11 Predictions:
Kevin Kolb will go to the probowl and complete >65% of passes.
Jeremy Maclyn will have more receptions than Miles Austin & Steve Smith
Graham will have the starting LDE spot tied up by week 5, win ROTY, and have >10 Sacks
11-5 finish.
by corn on the kolb on Jun 5, 2010 12:15 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
they do
The topic is how we enjoyed a turnover free era of football, and we didn’t even know it. Sorry if I came away with a different point of view. 3-and-outs are turnovers. They can kill momentum and tire a defense.
2010-11 Predictions:
Kevin Kolb will go to the probowl and complete >65% of passes.
Jeremy Maclyn will have more receptions than Miles Austin & Steve Smith
Graham will have the starting LDE spot tied up by week 5, win ROTY, and have >10 Sacks
11-5 finish.
by corn on the kolb on Jun 5, 2010 12:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Dont forget
All the passes that were thrown into the dirt (especially on opening drives). If you counted like 2% of those paesses in the dirt as int’s McNabbs ratio would be very different.
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by STRAIGHTOYOURFACE on Jun 4, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea, but that would be stupid to do.
Because they aren’t turnovers. And therefore not as bad. Frustrating, yes. As bad as an INT, no.
yes, they are nearly as bad.
3 and out gains no momentum, puts your tired defense out on a short field.
Its okay occassionally, but moving the sticks or not moving the sticks are the only options.
2010-11 Predictions:
Kevin Kolb will go to the probowl and complete >65% of passes.
Jeremy Maclyn will have more receptions than Miles Austin & Steve Smith
Graham will have the starting LDE spot tied up by week 5, win ROTY, and have >10 Sacks
11-5 finish.
by corn on the kolb on Jun 5, 2010 12:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Dude
An INT gives the OTHER team momentum, and usually amazing field position. At least with a 3 and out you get to punt. INTs are not even comparable, way worse.
The field position difference between the two is a big factor here.
INTs usually end in excellent field position for the opposing team while 3 and outs tend not to. Or shouldn’t, if the team has a decent punter. Rocca’s inability to consistently pin opponents shouldn’t make us think interceptions are on the same level as 3 and outs. If you really think they are so close together, I would direct you to last years Chicago Bears. Not a whole lot of positive there when Cutler was throwing those picks. Those games tended to be losses. Favre’s INT at the end of the NFC champ game? I think a 4th down would have been preferable there. I don’t think I’ve ever thought to myself “I’m glad the QB threw an interception there instead of an incomplete pass.”
I understand what you’re saying, but I will only accept an increase in interceptions if there is a huuuge jump in 3rd down efficiency. If the 3rd down % jump is only minimal, but the INT jump is noticeable, that’s a negative swing from our norm until now and it won’t benefit the team in any way.
Any coach would chose a incompletion any day over an int.
Heck most would take a 3 to 1 ratio no problem.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
someone got me
Ty, you nailed it.
2010-11 Predictions:
Kevin Kolb will go to the probowl and complete >65% of passes.
Jeremy Maclyn will have more receptions than Miles Austin & Steve Smith
Graham will have the starting LDE spot tied up by week 5, win ROTY, and have >10 Sacks
11-5 finish.
by corn on the kolb on Jun 5, 2010 12:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't think he missed the stat at all. The article isn't even about QB's, so that stat would be irrelevant.
The McNabb mention was merely a setup for talking about ball security by another longtime Eagle who is now gone.
got something different out of it
That it was about an era of very low turnover football and that we’re going to be unfairly outraged at being average in the league.
2010-11 Predictions:
Kevin Kolb will go to the probowl and complete >65% of passes.
Jeremy Maclyn will have more receptions than Miles Austin & Steve Smith
Graham will have the starting LDE spot tied up by week 5, win ROTY, and have >10 Sacks
11-5 finish.
by corn on the kolb on Jun 5, 2010 12:23 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
My thoughts exactly...
Interesting facts, and for sure Shady needs to get better at holding the ball….but let’s face it, out with the old, in with the new
KOLB is a natural born leader - something the Eagles haven't had on offense in a long long time. Prediction, we win a SB in the next 3 years.
That one against the bears is the most horrifying!
It seemed like in college they just said, when in traffic, use two hands – but never showed him how to cover the ball with both
It was bad
But Tillman is a pretty great corner who is well known for forcing turnovers.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
Just noticed something – Adrian Peterson (2.0% fumble rate) is pretty much just as likely to fumble every time he touches the ball as Donovan McNabb (2.1% INT rate) is to throw an interception every time he passes. That’s embarrassing.
Formerly Bye, Dawk :(
that is bad
2010-11 Predictions:
Kevin Kolb will go to the probowl and complete >65% of passes.
Jeremy Maclyn will have more receptions than Miles Austin & Steve Smith
Graham will have the starting LDE spot tied up by week 5, win ROTY, and have >10 Sacks
11-5 finish.
by corn on the kolb on Jun 5, 2010 12:24 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
key thing i noticed. shady had zero fumbles in college…
and we are all happy how that guy from LSU had zero fumbles
"Why do you step onto the field...? I don't believe in pressure. I don't believe in what may be said on the outside. Why do I step out onto the field? To Prove That I Am The Best!"
-Donovan McNabb
"that guy from LSU"
= one of the best steals of the draft and the next best thing in Eagles Land :-)
KOLB is a natural born leader - something the Eagles haven't had on offense in a long long time. Prediction, we win a SB in the next 3 years.
Yeah thats true. I was one of them. lol. When you have a RB that was that huge but also had good mobility, it just seemed like he would be an excellent compliment to Westbrook. Oh well.
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It’s probably more impressive for Scott, since his power running style would in theory carry a higher risk for fumbles, as would playing in a conference with better defenses.
nyuk nyuk nyuk
by alcatraz0109 on Jun 4, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeh man C.Scott is a beast. I really hope they give him enough reps a chance to develop. He could be the next best thing since sliced bread…hahaha had to say it….like really who gives a phuck about sliced bread lol
However we should be excited about this prospect :-)
KOLB is a natural born leader - something the Eagles haven't had on offense in a long long time. Prediction, we win a SB in the next 3 years.
That's not "theory" - That's FACT
Also factor in the fact that while McCoy’s NCAA statistics were more impressive as his team’s featured back – he only spent 2 years playing in college… 2 years where he was “the guy”. Not only did he have more time to improve through practice – Scott had stiff competition for playing time throughout his 4 years at LSU. Ball security was a definite emphasis which factored directly to who got to got to step on the field on game day. For his first 2 years, Scott played behind Jacob Hester (another 0 fumble guy) – not a bad role model.
It's an ankle bracelet, not a halo....
I see what you're saying, but you have to take running styles and conferences into account.
Shady wasn’t running inside nearly as much as Scott and he was up against a Big East schedule as opposed to Scott’s SEC schedule. Those two snippets make Scott’s stat more impressive in my mind.
I'm hoping that
his carrying techniques are part of the focus in OTAs and TC. I’m sure he’s heard it plenty and knows that is something he needs to work on. I see him improving from last year.
In life, as in a football game, the principle to follow is: Hit the line hard.
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Charles Scott/LSU Schedule
2009 SEC Offensive Player of the Week vs. Georgia
2008 First-Team All-SEC (Coaches)
2008 Second-Team All-SEC (AP)
SEC Offensive Player of the Week vs. Auburn, Sept. 22, 2008
2,317 career rushing yards and 32 touchdowns … Ranked fourth in school history in career touchdowns (32)
Tulane
Old Miss
Auburn
Alabama
Arkansas
App St
Florida
Georgia
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by STRAIGHTOYOURFACE on Jun 4, 2010 12:48 PM EDT reply actions
Weird….i thought i was in the clear, but then as soon as i finished reading “Georgia,” that entire comment Straight O’ed My Face. Damnit!
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by GreenInBaltimore on Jun 4, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
The schools you listed
Are those just the games he played or games he played well in or what?
Sorry if my question seems dumb, kinda hard to follow College ball in Denmark :)
I'm shocked he had no fumbles in college
he had the same bad habit back then…. sometimes it looks like he’s using the football to deke, like he’s doing a basketball move almost.
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by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on Jun 4, 2010 2:08 PM EDT reply actions
Kind of like Dave Chappelle and his “And 1” skit?
http://www.ibeatyou.com/competition/7cfc99/best-chappelle-show-skit
Formerly Bye, Dawk :(
by JimmyK on Jun 4, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Great analysis. (Rec'd)
And now I have more nightmares with KK’s int’s and Shady’s ball security. It was a dimming memory until you brought this up again. But – they are both young. I think KK will learn to be more patient and Shady’s gonna buy some Krazy glue.
All will be well.
I hope.
Shady needs to get the Tiki treatment
"I'd like to thank my hands for being so great." (Freddie Mitchell)
by PhillySportsDave on Jun 4, 2010 5:44 PM EDT reply actions
was just thinking that
I remember the madden commentary on that to this very day
2010-11 Predictions:
Kevin Kolb will go to the probowl and complete >65% of passes.
Jeremy Maclyn will have more receptions than Miles Austin & Steve Smith
Graham will have the starting LDE spot tied up by week 5, win ROTY, and have >10 Sacks
11-5 finish.
by corn on the kolb on Jun 5, 2010 12:26 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I forgive
the Tillman play. Tillman is a stripping monster. I mean wtf, he just ran up and punched the ball. I don’t understand why these players don’t hold the ball like Tiki did in the second half of his career. One end tucked in your elbow, and pointing towards the ground and the other end covered by your hand and pointed towards the sky. And the ball is hugged tightly to the chest at all times.
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