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Considered a major weakness through the days of Torrance Small through Freddie Mitchell, wide receiver has instead become one of the strengths of the 2010 Eagles.

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How Eagles running back LeSean McCoy performs in the passing game will play a determining factor in how successful his career is. How did McCoy perform last year as a rookie? We take a look.

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Is Brandon Jacobs overrated? - NFC East Blog - ESPN
In case you missed it Thursday, CBSSports.com's Pete Prisco is out with his annual overrated/underrated list. Turns out that New York Giants running back Brandon Jacobs headlines the "overrated" list.

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40 catches, 308 yards may not sound so impressive but:
1) he led all rookie RB’s in receptions
2) his yards per catch were better than: Jamaal Charles, Reggie Bush, Joseph Addai, Steven Jackson and Maurice Jones-Drew.
I’d say the kid looks encouraging.

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by Rabbit T on Jun 1, 2010 6:59 AM EDT reply actions  

Yup

That was my obscure fact of the day. I didn’t realise he lead all rookie RB’s in receptions until I read that article. I’m merely “meh” about him. I don’t know if he’s the next westy or not.

I’m anxious to see Scott get in there and bulldoze people around the goalline.

2010-11 Predictions:

Kevin Kolb will go to the probowl and complete >65% of passes.

Jeremy Maclyn will have more receptions than Miles Austin & Steve Smith

Graham will have the starting LDE spot tied up by week 5, win ROTY, and have >10 Sacks

11-5 finish.

by corn on the kolb on Jun 1, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Overrated/Underrated

Prisco can really be hit-or-miss with his picks. He also has a tendency to state the obvious as though he was the first to think of it. He has Asante Samuel as overrated, but everyone knows that by now (although he didn’t take his injuries into account when he listed his lack of tackling ability as a reason). He listed Jason Avant as underrated, but I’d be willing to bet that 9 out of 10 opposing defensive coordinators will tell you that he’s one of the first players they’d come up with a game plan for, given his uncanny ability to make tough catches in traffic, especially on third down. With Westbrook and McNabb gone, I’d say that Avant, along with DeSean Jackson and Brent Celek, are the top three guys on this offense that are the biggest threat to opposing defenses. Finally: he listed Brian Dawkins as overrated, stating that “he’s not as good as his reputation.” That, Pete my friend, is grounds for being beaten about the head and face with a tube sock full of horse manure. The man is still starting at 36 years of age, and while his skills may have diminished, it’s his leadership abilites that are most valuable. On the other hand, he was right on saying that Brandon Jacobs and Troy Polamalu were overrated. We can be so easily seduced by the highlight reel, can’t we?

Tony Romo...why so serious?

by jaws1385 on Jun 1, 2010 9:17 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I completely agree with that analysis.

by Novembre on Jun 1, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not sure I would call Brandon Jacobs overrated, especially when his reason is Jacobs isn’t his style of runner. He had a down season after two seasons of dominance. I have a Giants friend who swears the problem was injuries and a bad running scheme. I’m personally calling bullshit on that and saying that the man got paid and now he’s a pussy. If Jacobs keeps struggling to get 4 ypc next season, I’ll call him overrated and reiterate my feeling that if running backs aren’t seeking a new contract, they aren’t worth having.

Let the beasting begin.

by TransplantedFan on Jun 1, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Jacobs’ problem is that his success is entirely a product of his offensive line. They didn’t play as well last year, and his production really suffered. His best asset is that when he gets up to full speed, running “north to south” as they say, he’s really hard for a defensive back or linebacker to bring down. However, if he doesn’t get that hole, his lack of elusiveness and lateral speed gets exposed, and he’s a lot easier to bring down.

by zfg on Jun 1, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I definitely think Jacobs is overrated. He’s just like Plax, except Plax played to his potential far more often. But both often play much smaller than they are. If Jacobs played like a 6’4" 260 lb RB all the time he would be incredible, but instead he plays like a scatback and doesn’t hit players like he should, and he doesn’t play up to his size or potential.

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by DeSean10 on Jun 1, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know. I remember watching a Giants Redskins game either last year or two years ago. Laron Landry went for the hit and Jacobs said “NO!” and basically stiff armed to the ground, ran over his body, and I think got hit by another dude. Laron Landry spent the rent of the game acting like Asante when it came to Jacobs. Even the announcers said Landry was afraid to get hit by Jacobs again. It was awesome. And then he got paid.

Let the beasting begin.

by TransplantedFan on Jun 1, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jacobs can still annihilate defensive backs when he gets the chance, it’s just that he doesn’t get to the secondary untouched like he used to. When he doesn’t have a head of steam, he’s just a slow guy with a high center of gravity. I think his problem is more that he’s extremely one dimensional than anything else.

by zfg on Jun 1, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll agree to that. He worked great in that Earth Wind and Fire scheme but when they decided to try and use him more as a feature back he went straight to hell. I still think its partly motivation after getting his new contract.

Let the beasting begin.

by TransplantedFan on Jun 1, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

when you say slow

do you mean slow before he gets up to full speed, or overall slow? cuz he did run a 4.4 40 out of college.

by wilddre22 on Jun 1, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mean slow in terms of short area quickness and lateral agility. Once he gets up to speed, he’s quite fast for a guy his size.

by zfg on Jun 1, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

when did this happen desean10?

i mean, you’re entitled to your opinion, but just cause the boy had a down year doesnt mean he was falling down at the line. i mean, hes not ron dayne :)

by wilddre22 on Jun 1, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think you just countered you're own analysis

you said his success is entirely a product of his line. then you said when he finds a hole running north to south, LB and DBs have a hard time bringing him down. so basically you just made the point i was going to make. yes it’s true, a man his size needs his line to open up some holes. but the fact is, once he finds a hole, the last 3 – 5 yards on that run is all Big Boy’s doing. so to call his success ENTIRELY based on the O line? not very true.

by wilddre22 on Jun 1, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, he’s not going to be successful without a good run blocking o-line. I guess I could have parsed it differently, but I don’t think it changes things.

by zfg on Jun 1, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think that can be said for any back

outside of barry sanders. maybe a little more for Jacobs, but that’s due to his pure size. there’s never been a back as big as him, not okoye, not eddie george, not the bus. but i guarantee you any of them would also need an extra couple of inches per hole to run as effectively. i wouldn’t use that as a strike against any of them. maybe they depend a little more on there line than most, ok. but it’s pretty much universal that a running back goes, as his line goes.

by wilddre22 on Jun 1, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s a very good way to put it: he’s more dependent on his line than a more elusive back. I don’t think it necessarily counts as a strike against him, it’s just a fact of life. I’m of the opinion that Jacobs is the exact same guy he was in his most successful seasons, just that he’s not getting the kind of blocking he used to. Because he’s not elusive or a terribly reliable pass catcher, it’s really hurt his production, even though he hasn’t gotten any “worse” as a player. If that makes any sense…

by zfg on Jun 1, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes it does

and i hope with a revamped line and him healthy for at least 3/4 of the season that he actually have his best season. because his window is rapidly closing….

by wilddre22 on Jun 1, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okoye was so monstrous

Its weird to think that Jacobs is bigger.

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by Udalango on Jun 1, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

hehehe, bullshit acknowledged

i won’t second that bullshit however. you’re not the first to say that it’s because he got paid that he slowed up. however, last i checked it’s not a lifetime contract. he’s working towards his next contract. so he’s on display for future employers too, if it’s not with the blue. plus, if you watch him for 16 games, you’ll see the man never stopped running hard. he just didn’t run effective.

by wilddre22 on Jun 1, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think Brandon Jacobs has ever been the best RB on his own team, let alone one of the better in the league.

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by JasonB on Jun 1, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

who was better than him

our super bowl season? if you say bradshaw remember that he was a 3rd string back back then. Wind didn’t get much burn up until last year.

hehe, unless you wanna pull ryan grant out of your hat!

by wilddre22 on Jun 1, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bradshaw is a better player now, which I don’t even know how someone would argue. Obviously Tiki Barber was a better player at the start and Derrick Ward was equal if not better in between.

Jacobs career numbers are ok at best. Two years he was barely over 1,000 yards(which is no longer a big milestone, literally half the starters in the league over 1,000 last year) and that’s it. He’s never had a dominant year. Not one.

And by the way, Ryan Grant is a better player now too.

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by JasonB on Jun 2, 2010 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

What?

If, as you say, Dawkins’ skills have diminished yet he is still considered an All-Pro, then that is the very definition of overrated. Nobody cares about his leadership skills if he can’t cover the TE.

by Tracer Bullet on Jun 1, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would completely disagree that Polamalu is overrated. Look at what happened to that team when he got hurt.

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jun 1, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

I would take ploamalu on this team any day of the week.

by greenage on Jun 1, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was looking down the list of comments hoping for someone in their right mind to disagree to that ridiculous statement.

Jim Johnson(RIP). Brian Westbrook(36). Donovan Mcnabb(5). Brian Dawkins(20). Sheldon Brown(24). Jeremiah Trotter(54).

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by Route36 on Jun 1, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

I didn’t understand that one.0 all he does is make plays

by jjrome on Jun 1, 2010 4:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

This is completely stolen:

The earth is covered in 75% water. The rest is covered by Polamalu.

Sorry, it goes:

Ed Reed
Troy Polamalu
Bob Sanders
and everyone else, imo.

2010-11 Predictions:

Kevin Kolb will go to the probowl and complete >65% of passes.

Jeremy Maclyn will have more receptions than Miles Austin & Steve Smith

Graham will have the starting LDE spot tied up by week 5, win ROTY, and have >10 Sacks

11-5 finish.

by corn on the kolb on Jun 1, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

WOW, how THE FUCK is polomalu overrated?

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by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on Jun 1, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

rec'd. gj

2010-11 Predictions:

Kevin Kolb will go to the probowl and complete >65% of passes.

Jeremy Maclyn will have more receptions than Miles Austin & Steve Smith

Graham will have the starting LDE spot tied up by week 5, win ROTY, and have >10 Sacks

11-5 finish.

by corn on the kolb on Jun 1, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have never feared Jacobs. Once in a while he will make an impressive highlight reel play, but he does not play in a way that suits the type of athlete he is.

For a relatively slow back who’s strength is his power, he dances around too much and bounces too many runs outside. What I noticed over the last several times we’ve played the Giants is that EVERY time he has the slightest hesitation, he goes nowhere.

Bradshaw is a better runner and more versatile overall.

by mrb5091 on Jun 1, 2010 11:07 AM EDT reply actions  

4.4 40 time is not slow

 he’s only slow when he tries to stop on a dime and then regenerate his speed. there i’ll agree with you, he’s slower than most.

by wilddre22 on Jun 1, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hate these overrated/underrated arguments

It all depends on how each person sees an athlete.

Everyone says Asante is overrated. Does that make him underrated since everyone thinks he’s not that good?

I think Brandon Jacobs is a decent RB and a top 10 RB in this league. Do you think I overrate him?

BTW, Dawkins is a good tackler, run stopper, and does an ok job covering TEs. He just doesnt have the speed to cover WRs anymore.

by rajav on Jun 1, 2010 11:20 AM EDT reply actions  

I think Brandon Jacobs is a decent RB and a top 10 RB in this league. Do you think I overrate him?

To an insane degree.

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jun 1, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol. I didn't watched many NY games last year

but in 08’ and 07’ he looked unstoppable.

by rajav on Jun 1, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, last year he was a shell of what he was a few years ago. A lot Giant fans will tell you he’s the 2nd best RB on their team, which I happen to agree with.

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jun 1, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

now wait a minute jimmybyedawK

why do you say to an insane degree? yes he did fall off last year, but i would read into your statement that you look at him as way out of the top 10, like maybe top 20. am i right to assume this?

by wilddre22 on Jun 1, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, I wouldn’t put him in the top 20.

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jun 1, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I’d have put him in ‘my’ top 20 a couple years ago. But he has a lot of things working against him these days…

- Getting softer – I hate to parrot back what people have been saying about him all season, but he truly did tippy toe to the line last year. He’s not running with the same power he used to.

- Injury prone – And this is nothing against Jacobs. Throughout the history of the league, guys with Jacobs body type and running style have taken massive punishment. He hasn’t played all 16 games since his rookie season (2005), when he only carried the ball 38 times.

- Completely one dimensional – Not a threat in the passing game whatsoever, and isn’t a very effective pass blocker. He was on the field for fewer than half the Giants’ offensive snaps last season.

- He’s a fumbler – When you think of the bigger fumbler in the NFL, we think of AP, right? OK, for AP’s career, he has 998 total touches (carries and runs), and 20 fumbles. Jacobs, amazingly has fewer touches (837) and 13 fumbles. Therefore, AP fumbles almost exactly 2% of the time he touches the ball, which is outrageous, frankly. Jacobs fumbles every 1.55%. That’s WAAAAY too much.

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jun 1, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think you're drastically overstating his fumbling

Those numbers are skewed by his first full season as a starter, where he had 5. since then, he’s obviously adjusted his positioning of the ball. in the past 2 years he’s had a grand total of 5 fumbles. now let’s put that into context. here are some fumble numbers from the past 2 years of other well thought of backs:

- Marion Barber – 9
- Matt Forte – 7
- Frank Gore – 10!
- Steven Jackson – 7
- AP(the back you compared him too) – 16!!!!!!!!!
- Michael Turner – 7

To add to my point, Thomas Jones, widely considered one of the more reliable backs when it comes to holding on to the ball, and Chris Johnson, which many think is the best back in the league, both had 4, one less than Jacobs in the past 2 seasons.

And the most important number? he’s only lost 2 of those 5. and that’s what counts.

by wilddre22 on Jun 1, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not the point...

Just because there are some other guys that are also fumblers, it doesn’t make Jacobs any less of a fumbler.

If you fumble 1.55% of the time you touch the ball in your career, that’s simply WAY too much., and it doesn’t really matter to me whether or not he got lucky that one of his O Linemen jumped on the ball and saved his ass a few times.

Anyway, I don’t want to get hung up on one point – He’s not a top 20 RB.

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jun 1, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

well it wasn't just some guys

it was players that are either on or above his level of back. and the point i was trying to prove is that you’re comparing a guy with 16 fumbles in 2 years to a guy with 5. that’s not fair. as eagle fans, you guys can jump on him for many things. fumbling is not one of them. 5 fumbles is probably the average or close to, for starting backs.

here’s some more visual info for you: http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&seasonType=REG&d-447263-o=2&statisticPositionCategory=RUNNING_BACK&conference=null&d-447263-s=RUSHING_FUMBLES&experience=null&d-447263-n=1&season=2009&qualified=true&Submit=Go&tabSeq=1&d-447263-p=1

Jacobs was tied for 20th last year in fumbles by a running back. 20th! that’s not a ranking for a chronic fumbler, i like you dawkie baby, but you fail on that last point.

by wilddre22 on Jun 1, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

1.55%

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jun 1, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

that was too fast

you didn’t even read my post! lol

by wilddre22 on Jun 1, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha, that’s one of my favorite little things to do on the Dallas site… Reply to a long comment with a one or two word one.

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jun 1, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm still waiting for your list

i’ve gotta see the 20 backs you think are better…you can only list shady once, you do know that right?

by wilddre22 on Jun 1, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

here i'll start with mine

In no particular order:

Chris Johnson
Steven Jackson
MJD
AP
Ray Rice
Ryan Grant
Frank Gore
Deangelo Williams
Michael Turner
James Stewart
Ronnie Brown

and then…

Brandon Jacobs

thats only 11 backs, and i stretched with Ronnie Brown. there’s NO WAY you find 20 better backs than big boy. now i’m giddy to see your reply.

by wilddre22 on Jun 1, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll tell you what - I won't even look at any rosters (honor system)... These will be off the top of my head...

In no particular order, running backs I’d rather have over Brandon Jacobs…

- Chris Johnson
- Adrian Peterson
- Maurice Jones-Drew
- Frank Gore
- Ray Rice
- Deangelo Williams
- Jonathan Stewart
- Pierre Thomas
- Felix Jones
- Thomas Jones
- Cedric Benson
- Steven Jackson
- Ryan Grant
- Michael Turner
- Joseph Addai
- Clinton Portis
- Leonard Weaver
- Ahmad Bradshaw
- Marion Barber
- Jamaal Charles

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jun 1, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

bonus points for not listing McCoy

2010-11 Predictions:

Kevin Kolb will go to the probowl and complete >65% of passes.

Jeremy Maclyn will have more receptions than Miles Austin & Steve Smith

Graham will have the starting LDE spot tied up by week 5, win ROTY, and have >10 Sacks

11-5 finish.

by corn on the kolb on Jun 1, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha…

(taking a bow)

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jun 1, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

btw

I’m not as down on Jacobs as most people are. He’s overrated, sure, and he’s a product of his offensive line, maybe.

But Pierre Thomas and Joseph Addai are products of their quarterback, as well. And I’ll take Jacobs over both, because I can’t teach size. I’m spelling him with a stable of other backs (Bradshaw pretty much perfect), but I think he’s adequate for what he does.

I’ll also take Jacobs over Portis, too.

But, I’ll take someone like a Tim Hightower, or Beanie Wells over Jacobs though. I dunno, I’m infatuated with youth.

2010-11 Predictions:

Kevin Kolb will go to the probowl and complete >65% of passes.

Jeremy Maclyn will have more receptions than Miles Austin & Steve Smith

Graham will have the starting LDE spot tied up by week 5, win ROTY, and have >10 Sacks

11-5 finish.

by corn on the kolb on Jun 1, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe Beanie

not hightower. he’s very unreliable, and has fumbly hands as well. he’s a good pass catcher tho.

by wilddre22 on Jun 1, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see more upside

to Hightower than to Jacobs. Younger and makes an excellent 3rd down back. But, I’m not starting either on my roster, tbh. At best they split time with a change-of-pace back.

Actually.. …. …. I’d like me some backfield with Jacobs and Hightower. They’d compliment each other yummily. Yes, yummily.

2010-11 Predictions:

Kevin Kolb will go to the probowl and complete >65% of passes.

Jeremy Maclyn will have more receptions than Miles Austin & Steve Smith

Graham will have the starting LDE spot tied up by week 5, win ROTY, and have >10 Sacks

11-5 finish.

by corn on the kolb on Jun 1, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well...

In our system, no.

If I were running the show, I’m not a WCO kinda offensive guy. I think its over complicating offenses. I wanna get as many fat people as possible, get a good power back behind them, and playaction the crap out of defenses.

2010-11 Predictions:

Kevin Kolb will go to the probowl and complete >65% of passes.

Jeremy Maclyn will have more receptions than Miles Austin & Steve Smith

Graham will have the starting LDE spot tied up by week 5, win ROTY, and have >10 Sacks

11-5 finish.

by corn on the kolb on Jun 1, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

you should move to New York

we’ve got alot of the above here.

by wilddre22 on Jun 1, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Grew up in North Jersey. Grandma’s die hard Giants fan. I’m more of a fan of players and schemes, and not so much teams. But, the eagles are my first and only professional-team love.

2010-11 Predictions:

Kevin Kolb will go to the probowl and complete >65% of passes.

Jeremy Maclyn will have more receptions than Miles Austin & Steve Smith

Graham will have the starting LDE spot tied up by week 5, win ROTY, and have >10 Sacks

11-5 finish.

by corn on the kolb on Jun 1, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok allow me to edit this list for you

- Pierre Thomas. he has talent, and is still young, but doesn’t have 1000 yard season to his name, nor has he shouldered the full responsibility of a full year starter. not giving you him.

- Felix Jones. Again, talented as you know what, but who knows what a full season as the premier back would prove him out to be? he has 1 career start and under 150 rushes, TOTAL. X him off the list.

- Marion the Barberian – on this one i might’ve agreed with you 2 years ago, when he was the brandon jacobs to julius jones’ tiki barber. but what he has done since he’s become a starter proves what i said about the prior 2 unproven backs. since he has become a starter, his YPC has dropped DRAMATICALLY. he’s barely touching 4 yards a clip whereas he was in the high 4’s before his promotion. he hasn’t been as durable as Dallas has hoped, missing 4 games in the past 2 years, and playing gimpy in others. since he’s started, he’s scored 14 rushing TDs. Big Boy scored 15 last year ALONE. Oh, and the Barber is a fumblerusky – 9 in 2 years, including 7 2 years ago….don’t know how that plays as far as percentage dawkie ;)

- thomas jones isn’t a starter anymore, but being a new yorker, i know what he’s capable of, so i’ll give you that one.

- Cedric Benson was widely considered a BUST until his breakout season. he has a bad attitude and got bounced out of the windy city. on top of that his career avg. per carry is 3.8. Big Boy did that in his down year. another one bites the dust.

- joe addai. i almost wrote that one myself when i made my list, but then i looked at his numbers. i think his reputation precedes him. he did look like he would be the next coming of Edge his first 2 seasons, but since then he’s done nada. 500 yards one year, 800 the next, he’s been injured, and his rushing avg. has dropped under 4 per game(although not for his career) given the system he plays in, and the fact that he’s a decent pass option out the backfield, i’ll reluctantly give you him…altho he wouldn’t make my list.

- Clinton Portis is done. his own team knows he is done. that’s why they just went out and signed Marcus Allen last week! that’s a clear indication that Portis is on the decline. he’s an old 28. he’s rushed over 300 times in a season four seasons! and 290 once. that’s a lot of tread on his tires. you know you’re done when people started whispering it last year, after 1487 yards! portis won’t see 200 touches this year, IMO. CP from 3 years ago, yes. CP now, no way bruh!

- Leonard Weaver! he’s a fullback. nuff said.

- Jamaal Charles is good, and young. he also hasn’t rushed 200 times in a season. and probably won’t this year with TJ backing him up. with only one season of 1000+ under his belt, it pains me to give him to you, but since i’m in a good mood, fine, we’ll keep Charles on this list(altho he has more fumbles than Big Boy too….in WAAAYYY less touches.

- Ahmad i’ll keep on. only because there’s alot of Giant fans that would agree with you(me not being one of them), and who am i to argue with you if you put ANY Giant in your top 20 list? :)

so let’s review. i’ve gone ahead and eliminated the backs that shouldn’t be on this list….Pierre Thomas, both cowboy backs, old man Portis, some fullback named Weaver, and one year wonder Benson. that would leave 14 backs better than Jacobs and HEY! what do you know. Brandon Jacobs makes the top 15 backs in the NFL.

by wilddre22 on Jun 1, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with most of what of what you had to say about those guys, but I’s still take each and every one of them (in addition to a few others) over Jacobs. I just don’t like what Jacobs has to offer anymore.

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jun 2, 2010 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

fair enough

i’m hoping he’ll prove you and other doubters wrong this season.

by wilddre22 on Jun 2, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whether he lost the fumbles is unimportant

That’s just luck. Whether your team recovers your fumble depends on who happens to be around the ball or where it bounces. It doesn’t make the fact you fumbled ok.

Whether you fumbled it or not is what counts.

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by JasonB on Jun 2, 2010 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

he fumbled 5 times in 2 years

where not talking about tiki barber or A Pete here.

by wilddre22 on Jun 2, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

You got a link to that… I’d be interested in seeing his other ratings.

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jun 1, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha, I’m waiting…

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jun 1, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

http://profootballfocus.com/by_position.php?tab=by_position&season=2009&pos=HB&stype=r&runpass=run&teamid=-1&numsnaps=0&numgames=1

that was actually his highest rating……so get off his back when it comes to pass blocking!!!

…chuckle…..

by wilddre22 on Jun 1, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha... As soon as you posted that, I got a little giddy - I already knew he was way, way down on the list...

You’re lucky I don’t think much of profootballfocus, who has Brandon Jacobs ranked 126th overall out of 131 running backs. Well, I take that back. It’s good for certain data points (like number of snaps, penalties, etc), but I put no value whatsoever on their rankings.

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jun 1, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah its suspect at times

but if i use it to further my arguments, i’ve gotta abide by it 100%.

by wilddre22 on Jun 1, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only reason why he was so good because the Giants had such a stout run blocking line

Look at the numbers even their 3rd stringers were racking p 5+ yards (derrick Ward anyone?).

Now that they were average HE became average.

Jacobs is a MONSTER when he’s able to get some momentum going with some nice holes… Otherwise he doesn’t cut back well, CANT CATCH FOR THE LIFE OF HIM, gets injured, and doesn’t have great top end speed. So if you’re not busting holes for him he’s pretty much a useless back

E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!

by Joe_D on Jun 1, 2010 2:34 PM EDT reply actions  

you made some points, but you're overstating some other things

but that’s on par for a joe d post. he did put up the numbers he did because of his line, you’re absolutely right about that. but as i was arguing higher up, that shouldn’t be a knock on him. he’s a big back, he needs holes. he can’t do what MJD does, because science and logic won’t let him. it’s logical that a big man needs a big hole to run through.

i don’t think he’s an average back, i still think he’s way above average, and may have a pro bowl season in him yet, provided he stays healthy. the best way to measure a RB is by his YPC avg. Anything over 4 is a productive NFL back. Even with his off season, where he avg. 3.8, his career avg. is still a very presentable 4.4. and even then those numbers are skewed by his rookie season, in which he was used primarily as a short yardage, goal line back, and only was supposed to get 1 or 2 yards.

Big Boy is still a monster, you’re right. To say he can’t catch for the life of him is again exaggeration, he’s not jerry rice, but he’s not madison hedgecock either. and he has very good top end speed as he runs a mid 4.4 in the 40.

there’s too much harping on Jacobs inability to cut, or make things happen for himself. but there hasn’t been any big back like that, save for Jim Brown. if you’re big, you’re big, big backs excel in certain things. if barry sanders was 6’4", he wouldn’t have danced in the backfield like he did to perfection. and if Big Boy was 5’8", his PS3 joystick wouldn’t be stuck on ‘truck.’

by wilddre22 on Jun 1, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was never so good. The guy have never even rushed for 1,100 yards.

He was never a top back. Never.

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by JasonB on Jun 2, 2010 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Asante Samuel

is now underrated because everyone’s calling him overrated. He is a very good corner, despite the tackling.

My "t" and "y" buttons are messed up so don't bitch at me about misspelling, I'm just saying.

by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on Jun 1, 2010 3:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Yup.

/shrug

Everyone complains until they’re in a bar, Asante catches a pick, and the place goes nuts.

2010-11 Predictions:

Kevin Kolb will go to the probowl and complete >65% of passes.

Jeremy Maclyn will have more receptions than Miles Austin & Steve Smith

Graham will have the starting LDE spot tied up by week 5, win ROTY, and have >10 Sacks

11-5 finish.

by corn on the kolb on Jun 1, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wish I was Pete Prisco. I would love to get pay to say stupid stuff.

Some of his players that are “overrated” just are not overrated because everyone knows they are not that good. Alan Faneca? Been on the decline of his career. Jordan Gross? Um… Devin Hester? Anyone actually thought a guy who couldn’t play cornerback would be a good receiver? Ben Watson? Anyone liked him ever?

Then some of his other “overrated” are just mind boggling. Anquan Boldin? Very good receiver. Cedric Benson? You mean the guy that was leading the league in rushing yards the first half of the year? Troy Polamalu!? Are you for freaking real?

Ugh… I hate CBS “experts”.

RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.

by Imp on Jun 1, 2010 3:53 PM EDT reply actions  

only thing good that comes from CBS is The Big Bang Theory and watching Peyton Manning crush defenses by yelling “OMAHA!” really loudly and watching linebackers scramble.

2010-11 Predictions:

Kevin Kolb will go to the probowl and complete >65% of passes.

Jeremy Maclyn will have more receptions than Miles Austin & Steve Smith

Graham will have the starting LDE spot tied up by week 5, win ROTY, and have >10 Sacks

11-5 finish.

by corn on the kolb on Jun 1, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

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