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Kevin Kolb Game Tape - Week 2 vs. New Orleans


We all know the Kevin Kolb arguments that have been debated since the Eagles traded Donovan McNabb to the Redskins...

"Kolb is the first QB in the history of the NFL to throw for 300+ in his first 2 starts - 391 yards against the Saints and 327 against the Chiefs."

"So what?  One of those games was against the Chiefs' terrible defense, and in the other game, he only racked up a lot of yardage because the Saints were playing a prevent defense.  He's a turnover machine."

Truth is, a lot of people making the above arguments didn't even see both games that Kevin Kolb started, and are basing their entire judgment of Kolb on a couple box scores.  Others that have seen him play have blurry memories, since... well... we haven't seen him play in over 7 months.

So let's just cut through all the BS, and simply watch all 85 passes he threw in his first 2 starts.  I compiled every pass Kolb threw in his 2 starts, and separated them by drives.  We'll do the Saints game first, and I'll get to the Chiefs game a little later this week.  Let's get right to it after the jump...

Star-divide

September 20, 2009 - Eagles vs. Saints - A drive-by-drive look at Kevin Kolb's first start...

Drive #1

- 1st and 10 - Kolb's first pass as a starter - He had to have a ton of nerves, and Andy gave him an easy playcall - Watch as 3 Eagles receivers run 5-yard button-hooks.  His first look is Celek, who was covered, and Kolb calmly fired a strike to Maclin.  Easy pass, but well done.

- 1st and 10 - The Eagles put Kolb in another comfortable position by running a play that Kolb assuredly ran over and over again in camp.  This was a play that the Eagles ran all season, which time and time again led to big plays against defenses running a cover 2.  Watch at the snap as TE Alex Smith runs up the left seam directly at SS Roman Harper.  DeSean Jackson, meanwhile, runs all the way across the field from the right slot.  As Harper bites up on Smith, Jackson has open field ahead of him behind Harper.  Kolb throws a gorgeous ball and hits the wide open Jackson in stride, who jogs into the endzone for an easy TD.  Had Harper not bit up on Smith, I'm not so sure this isn't a big play anyway.  Great pass, perfect timing on the throw.  Obviously, a great start to the game for Kolb.

Drive #2

- 2nd and 11 - Throws a quick out to Kevin Curtis - Well covered, but Curtis should have made the catch, which would have led to a more manageable 3rd and 6, instead of 3rd and 11.

- 3rd and 11 - Nothing there (presumably), felt pressure, got out of the pocket and threw it away on a low-percentage 3rd and 11.  Punt.

Drive #3

- 2nd and 4 - Kolb is lined up as a WR, Vick in the shutgun. Vick hands to Westbrook, who laterals to Kolb, who is looking to pass.  The Saints aren't fooled even a little bit, as Kolb simply runs away from 3 Saints bearing down on him and throws it away.  Good decision.

- 3rd and 4 - Kolb has some time in the pocket, and throws a Donovan-esque rocket at a player 10 yards away from him.  Punt.

Drive #4


2nd and 6 - Play action, rollout right - Kolb takes the checkdown (Celek) who barrels forward for the 1st down.  Safe play, extends the drive.

1st and 10 - Kolb sells the pitch to McCoy nicely, and hits Westbrook on a little shovel pass that goes for 8 on 1st down.  This is more impressive than it looks.  The shovel pass is easy, but the execution of the play is difficult.

1st and 10 - Great play by Kolb here.  Jason Peters picks up the blitzing LB on the outside, expecting Nick Cole to block RDE Will Smith.  Cole instead blocks down on the DT, leaving Smith with a free run at Kolb.  Kolb quickly locates McCoy and dumps it off to him while getting hit, leading to a nice 6 yard gain on first down on what should have been a sack... or worse.  A couple non-Kolb things to note on this play - The miscommunication between Peters and and Cole is what happens when you're new to a team, and you're playing next to the backup guard, with whom you have basically no continuity.  A lot of that should be fixed this year.  Also of note - I look at LeSean McCoy's fumbles in 2009, and with the way he carries the ball, I marvel that he only had 2 fumbles.  Well, it should have been 3 - that was most certainly a fumble.  He has to fix that this year.  He's way too careless with the football.

2nd and 9 - Double play action, with a reverse screen to Westy - Easy pass for Kolb, defensed well, minimal gain.

3rd and 7 - Kolb fires a strike to Celek in stride, who bulls his way for another first down.  After watching this film for the past 4 hours by the way, Kolb-to-Celek will be a common theme throughout this film study - Expect Celek to have a monster year - rate him highly on your fantasy draft boards.  Anyway, nice first down on 3rd and 7 to extend the drive.

2nd and 10 - Another strike by Kolb, taking what the defense is giving him, this time to Maclin for about 6 and a much more manageable 3rd and 4.

3rd and 4 - Another great play by Kolb.  The Saints test the Eagles left side again with a blitz, since the last one on 3rd down should have gotten Kolb.  This time, Peters picks up the inside rusher (the correct move), but with Westbrook going out into a pattern, Kolb has an empty backfield and a free rusher coming at him.  He stands in there and fires a strike to Avant for another first down.

The Eagles then call timeout so that I can show the pass to Avant again - Haha, oops.  Editing fail by me there.  Sorry.

1st and goal fro the 9 - The Saints are getting free rushers pretty much at will now, as another defenders comes through the line unblocked and sacks Kolb.

2nd and goal from the 16 - Another strike to Celek, who carries 8 guys for an extra 5 yards.

3rd and goal - Kolb's first bad pass, and the first incompletion (out of 9 passes) on this drive.  There are no touch passes inside the 10, unless you're throwing the fade or something to the back of the endzone that only your guy can catch.  Kolb tries the loft a pass up over Anthony Hargrove, who tries to set it like a volleyball and catch it on the way down.  Athletic play there by Hargrove, and that's what the NFL is full of... athletes.  That's not a pass you can complete in the NFL... at least to player on your team, that is.  He'll learn that.  Still, great long drive.  The Eagles settle for 3.

Drive #5

The Eagles are pinned inside their own 5, and are content to run 3 times and waste the Saints' 3 timeouts before the end of the half.  The Eagles punt, and the Saints drive down on the Eagles in about 4 seconds to score.  No passes by Kolb on this drive.

Drive #6

1st and 10, own 21, 0:37 seconds - After a lightning fast Saints score, the Eagles are right back on the field for some hurry-up offense.  Fun!  On the first play, Kolb hits Avant up the right seam on a nice ball for 26 yards.  Eagles use their last timeout.  Wait, the Eagles only have one timeout left for their hurry-up offense?  Shocker.

1st and 10, own 47, 0:30 seconds - Nice job by Kolb extending the play by avoiding pressure and getting out of the pocket, but a bad pass to an open Curtis.  Incomplete.

2nd and 10, own 47, 0:24 seconds - Kolb hits Jackson on a quick pass to the sideline, Jackson picks up the first down and jumps out of bounds.  Only 4 seconds run off the clock.  Well done.

1st and 10, Saints 42, 0:20 seconds - Kolb tries the other side this time and hits Curtis for a other first down and stopped clock.  Only 5 seconds run off the clock this time, and we're now within range of a difficult FG for Akers.  Well done again.

1st and 10, Saints 32, 0:15 seconds - Kolb hits Curtis again, this time for 18 yards, and he gets out of bounds stopping the clock.  Listen to Aikman's commentary on this one regarding Kolb's recognition of Tracy Porter jumping the slot receiver's route.  Only 6 seconds run of the clock, and we're now in easy range for Akers.

1st and 10, Saints 14, 0:09 seconds - Nothing dumb here.  If you see something open let 'er rip, but don't turn it over and don't get sacked.  Kolb throws it away, and takes 3 after a really impressive 2 minute offense.

INTERMISSION - OK, guys... Go take a whiz, wash your hands, and grab a snack.


Now that we're all back... Before we get back to the tape, let's get something straight really quickly. 

For for those of you that have argued that most of Kolb's yardage came against the Saints' prevent defense in the second half, here are his first half numbers... 

14/22, 196 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT.  Halftime score - 17-13, Saints.  I guess we can put that nonsense to bed.

OK, back to the tape...

Drive #7

On the opening kickoff, Ellis Hobbs fumbled, and the Saints quickly scored to go up 24-13, and then this happened...

2nd and 6 - Interception.  Aikman's analysis is dead on - Kolb has to account for Shanle there.  Bad pass, his second mistake of the game.

Drive #8


1st and 10 - Pass complete to Jackson, a little behind him.  Tough to tell if Kolb was purposely throwing to a spot where he wouldn't be leading Jackson into a big hit, or if he just missed his target, but either way it's probably a bad decision to throw to Jackson there, who was surrounded by 3 Saints defenders.  Gain of 4 on 1st down is fine, but that's a risky throw with minimal upside.

2nd and 6 - Shot downfield incomplete.  Nice recognition of one-on-one coverage, but Curtis was blanketed.  When you're down by 18, you take any on-on-one shot downfield you can get.

3rd and 6 - Bad pass.  They had the matchup - Pre-concussion Westbrook on Vilma.  That's a huge win for the coaching staff getting that matchup, but Kolb just missed him... badly.  Note - The boo birds were understandably out after this pass, but they weren't for Kolb.  Less than 4 and a half minutes into the 3rd quarter, the Eagles fumbled the opening kick to start the half, gave up a TD, threw a pick, gave up a TD, and went 3 and out.  That's an "entire team boo," not a "Kolb boo."  Just wanted to clarify that since the tone of the game can't really be captured by just watching the Eagles pass plays.  Moving on...

Drive #9

1st and 10 - Very strange play here, but it worked, and it's kind of an awkward pass that Kolb put on the money.  Note sure how this isn't offensive pass interference on Curtis, but whatever.

2nd and 8 - Presumably nothing there... Throwaway.

3rd and 8 - Laser to Avant.  Really nice pass here that Kolb fit into a tight window.  If you think Kolb doesn't have an NFL arm, please refer to this pass.  Strong throw, very impressive accuracy here.  If he misses in any direction, it's probably a pick.  Very nicely done.

4th and goal - Rollout right - Touchdown to Avant.  Not a spectacular pass, although not a bad one either - It took a nice catch by Avant for this not to be a turnover on downs.

Drive #10


Oops, editing fail #2 by JimmyK.  Ignore the first 2 plays.

Anyway, a couple incomplete passes (one under heavy rush) on 2nd/3rd and 9.  Moving along...

Drive #11

1st and 10 - Checkdown to Avant - gain of 3.  The Saints will give this away all day with a 21 point lead in the 4th quarter.  Presumably nothing open downfield - Kolb takes what he can get, which isn't much.

2nd and 7 - Checkdown to Westy this time - gain of 5.  Again, taking what he can get with presumably nothing open downfield.

3rd and 2 - This doesn't look like much my friends, but this is an absolutely gorgeous ball.  Kolb, fits it in perfectly behind the defender's back hip in between a triangle of 3 Saint defenders, where Celek can make an adjustment on the ball while the linebacker covering him man to man has his back turned to the QB.  And make no mistake, the Saints are not content to trade off this kind of yardage for time off the clock.   Great, difficult pass.

1st and 10 - Another nice pickup downfield finding Curtis in the seam.  And again, this is not a situation where the Saints would trade this kind of yardage for time off the clock.  Nice pass again.

1st and 10 - Ouch.  Peters is beaten pretty badly here, plain and simple, and Kolb takes a big hit. However, I like that Kolb got right back up and fought on.

2nd and 17 - They get a nice chunk back, getting 14 when Kolb hits an open Celek.

1st and goal - Nothing there - Throwaway.  By the way, can I just say really quickly that I HATE... that's H-A-T-E when the Eagles run rollouts to the short side of the field with just one or two receivers in the pattern?  That's what you do when you have guys with size and you want to isolate them on smaller defenders.  It's not what you do when you have speed guys with no size.

2nd and goal - With 8 guys in coverage inside the 10, the Saints don't buy the Eagles' weak attempt at play action, and with nothing open (presumably), Kolb checks down again to McCoy.

3rd and goal - Heavy rush - Throwaway.

4th and goal - Not even sure what that was.  It should have been offsides on the defense.  At the very least it could have been a false start on the offensive, which would have been a 5 yard penalty and a dead ball, replaying 4th down.  But they called illegal formation, which the Saints declined, as the Eagles turned the ball over on downs.  That's just a broken play.

Drive #12 - And we're officially in garbage time at this point


1st and 10 - Checkdown to McCoy.

2nd and 2 - Kolb messes up a Saint's stats by getting rid of the ball as he's being sacked.  Nice awareness that he knew that's where McCoy would be, I suppose.

1st and 10 - A little shovel to McCoy. Tick tick tick.

1st and 10 - Nice pass here to Avant, and again, I like that Kolb isn't pouting... competing until the end.

1st and 10 - Another little checkdown to Celek.

3rd and 4 - And here it is - The pick that makes the highlight film, and people watching SportsCenter say "Oh... crappy pass... He sucks." Of course, in a situation in which the Saints D Linemen have their ears pinned back and are coming at him full bore for an entire half, knowing full well that the Eagles are going to pass on every down, a mistake like this is inevitable.  Bad read?  Sure.  But when you throw 51 passes and the defense knows you have to pass, this is very forgivable.  And note one other thing here - Kevin Kolb very nearly ran down Darren Sharper.  I think he has more athleticism than people give him credit for.

Drive #13 - Pure ridiculousness... Is ridiculousness a word?  Well it is now.

1st and 10 - Checkdown to Celek, who proceeds to carry 3 guys for an extra 10 yards.

1st and 10 - Incomplete to avoid a sack.

2nd and 10 - Checkdown to Celek... again.  End of game.

Wait... WHAT?!?!?!?  A timeout?!?  Uh, Andy?  There are 7 seconds left, and uh, the Saints defensive linemen will be all too thrilled to get another shot at padding their stats with another sack, and um... We kinda already have a ton of injuries at this point already in this early part of the season?  I don't think we're going to score 26 points in 7 seconds, so maybe we should just let those 7 seconds run off the clock?

1st and 10 - The Saints blitz (and I can't blame them), the Eagles throw a pointless Hail Mary, Kolb gets hit hard, and it gets intercepted.  Is that what you had in mind, Andy?

 

My thoughts

On the one hand, the 391 yards are slightly misleading, as are the 3 interceptions.  Let's just ignore the stats on this one.  This was a really good debut by a guy making his first start in the NFL, against the Super Bowl champs, no less.  His good passes/decisions far outweighed the bad passes/decisions, and I am more encouraged with what we can expect from Kolb after having revisited his game film.  Could we really have expected a better performance?

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After reviewing Kevin Kolb's game tape from the Week 2 game against the Saints, do you feel better or worse about him as the starter of the Eagles?
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I actually was not able to watch this game

SO all I really knew is that he played fairly well but threw some garbage picks.

I am actually much more excited to see him play full time now.
Thanks Byedawk/JimmyK

UDDDDAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!

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E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!!!!!!

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by Udalango on May 8, 2010 11:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Good stuff bye dawk

Terrific bathroom reading material.

"If I can get you to think twice, I'm in your head."
-Brian Dawkins

"Yeah, I like to hit people"
-Brandon Graham

by immynimmy on May 8, 2010 11:41 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

This is easily the best post you’ve ever made, Jimmy, as always extremely comprehensive and of course some humor. Excellent.
Rec’d.

Drive#6, it’s his first start. That’s insane

Kom så De Hvii'e!!

by bleedinggreeninDK on May 8, 2010 11:52 PM EDT reply actions  

btw

Congrats on making it to the front page, I can not think of anyone who deserves it more than you.

Kom så De Hvii'e!!

by bleedinggreeninDK on May 8, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

EvilBanner isn’t going to like this post…

But I like this post. I’m excited to see Kevin Kolb play next year.

RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.

by Imp on May 9, 2010 12:15 AM EDT reply actions  

You're right.

See my trenchant analysis below.

...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.

Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer

by EvilBanner on May 9, 2010 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

awesome post.

100% agreed on the celek point. guys were roommates on the road if i remember correctly. awesome chemistry. celek’s gonna get a lota balls his way.

by Q27 on May 9, 2010 12:26 AM EDT reply actions  

hehe

we had 44-6
you had 58-14
now we want an eagles SuperBowl win in Dallas next season

by maximdim on May 9, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

guys were roommates on the road if i remember correctly
celek’s gonna get a lota balls his way

Oh Lord, I knew they were friends, but…

(I keed, I keed.)

Berries are nice, but Graham crackers taste pretty good too.

by alcatraz0109 on May 9, 2010 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

This was of near-perfect quality.

I shouldn’t be wholly impressed because you always come up with quality posts, but I am.

…but anything less than this quality from now on, and you get the gong.

:P

Berries are nice, but Graham crackers taste pretty good too.

by alcatraz0109 on May 9, 2010 12:50 AM EDT reply actions  

He looks good.

Good old KK looks like a solid QB in this tape.

We’ll see if he becomes a truly special player, but we have good reason to hope for good things.

Veritas Liberabit Te

by DSmith215 on May 9, 2010 1:10 AM EDT reply actions  

Where’s the “same” option? I knew he had a very good game by NFL standards and an excellent game considering it was his first start AND it happened to be against the eventual Super Bowl champs.

I am the people's troll :3™

by yomjoseki on May 9, 2010 1:11 AM EDT reply actions  

who the fuck voted WORSE?

My lord… Kolb is ACCURATE, puts a great touich on the ball..only 2 starts? We have ourselves a franchise qb… a consistent one

E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!

by Joe_D on May 9, 2010 1:38 AM EDT reply actions  

there will always be haters...

kolb could win us 2 superbowls in the next 3 years, but then you’ll have someone say: “mcnabb would have gotten us 3.”

this may come off as a shock, but some people will consistantly rag on a franchise quarterback no matter how much success he had.

cough. cough. wink. wink.

by awd777 on May 9, 2010 7:10 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Got him
cough. cough. wink. wink.

lol

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Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome

by D3Keith on May 10, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me

Watched some of the throws he missed, including the interceptions. He could be a pick machine.

Now I would’ve rather voted the same, but worse seemed a better of the two choices.

I'm now Kolb's biggest fan

Reid- Best Coach in Eagles History
McNabb- Best QB in Eagles History

This is the year

by bdawk4ever on May 10, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's going to throw 10 more picks than McNabb this year

mark it down. The question is whether those turnovers will leave us worse off than inaccurate throws in the red zone and/or on 3rd-and-shorts will.

I’d probably be willing to trade a pick per game for converting a 3 into a 7 once a game too.

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Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome

by D3Keith on May 10, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks Jimmy.

Visual references with commentary…JimmyK calling play by play on MNF!
Great job as usual Bye_Dawk.

I've been sayin "Wait til next year" for 32 years....

R.I.P. JJ

by DoctaWoo on May 9, 2010 1:57 AM EDT reply actions  

great post,thank you so much…..

"When you cut me I'm not like the others, I bleed but it's not red... IT'S GREEN"

by EAGLES805 on May 9, 2010 2:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Good effort, JimmyK

You just set the bar very high: almost 3000 words in your first official front page post? Wow.

The New York Times’ Fifth Down Blog also looked at the Saints game (Is Kevin Kolb ready?) and came to a different conclusion.

by One.Cool.Customer on May 9, 2010 3:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Really?

Who ever reads and trusts corporate media for sports?

"If I can get you to think twice, I'm in your head."
-Brian Dawkins

"Yeah, I like to hit people"
-Brandon Graham

by immynimmy on May 9, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Watchitsucka ...

… A lot of people still do. And half the blogs are linking to stories produced by the corporate media, and we all watch on corporate Fox, CBS and ESPN.

I don’t know why it has to be an either-or. There’s valuable stuff being done by corporate and non-corporate entities.

I feel you though, I like to slam major-label music in favor of indies, so I guess it’s roughly the same thing.

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Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome

by D3Keith on May 10, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

that ny article

calls out kolb for having tunnel vision on a couple throws IN HIS FIRST EVER START. Not surprised coming from a NYer

My "t" and "y" buttons are messed up so don't bitch at me about misspelling, I'm just saying.

by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on May 9, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hate this post.

Your writing and logic were better as Bye Dawk :(

This clown is a pick machine.

...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.

Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer

by EvilBanner on May 9, 2010 9:05 AM EDT reply actions  

Ahhhh EB. when oh when will you come to the salvation of truth?

picks may be a possibilty….but thyre no worse than worm genocide. Besides which although Kolb may make some risky throws , theres an old saying ….oh drat how does it go ? Oh yeah “with greater risk , comes greater reward” or how bout “Fortune favors the bold”

We have that reputation for a reason. Kevin Kolb

by JonnyS on May 9, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think you mean...

“With great power, comes great responsibility.” -Uncle Ben

I don't know what it is about your face,
[holds up fist]
but I just wanna deliver one of these right in your suck hole.

by DickMuffin on May 9, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

risk/reward...

the greater the risk, the bigger the reward…

"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."

by greenbean#twoOH on May 9, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're taking the risk/reward concept out of context

Not every football play or player which is more risky has greater potential for reward. Neither does every life decision. This can sometimes be the case, but there’s no real evidence to suggest it.

Where it is the commonly held belief is in financial markets, where there’s an open market (constant bidding war) where prices of risky investments are lower, thus creating a greater chance for reward.

“the greater the risk, the bigger the reward…” is a statement that doesn’t apply to most situations.

by AZ Eagle on May 13, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's just a saying...

you’re reading into it WAY too much…not all saying can apply to all situations, it’s just a saying to inspire people to shoot for the stars…similiarly no pain no gain…

"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."

by greenbean#twoOH on May 13, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

2nd Pick

Kolb had just thrown the same route to Celek the previous play. It was obvious Celek was his primary target, especially in the red zone. Kolb stared him down and Sharper new it was coming. Unlike Hargrove earlier in the game, Sharper caught this gift.

by phxphilly on May 9, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

This JimmyK character

Isn’t half bad.

Jimmy, very nice first front-page post. Excellent breakdown. I think you’re going to make a fine author for BGN.

However, there used to be this guy named Bye, Dawk who was a heck of a writer. Good luck trying to surpass his quality writing…

by Smitty2K3 on May 9, 2010 9:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Great article.

I remember watching that game and saying to myself this kid is a good “back-up”. I am still not sure how he will do when the season starts.

I hope I am wrong, but Kolb is a four-letter word.

by Cowboy KILLER on May 9, 2010 9:52 AM EDT reply actions  

Great stuff here. None of his picks where from bad throws they were from bad decisions. He’s got the arm as long as he plays smart he should be fine.

by C.J. Richey on May 9, 2010 9:53 AM EDT reply actions  

Great Analysis, Re'cd

Are you going to do the Kevin Kolb game tape of the Kansas City Chiefs too?

eff you we winning anyway
A.I. IS BACKKKKKKK

by eagleswin on May 9, 2010 9:59 AM EDT reply actions  

read the post before asking questions

My "t" and "y" buttons are messed up so don't bitch at me about misspelling, I'm just saying.

by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on May 9, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jeez, calm down….. I must have missed it.

eff you we winning anyway
A.I. IS BACKKKKKKK

by eagleswin on May 10, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Later this week, most likely. They take a ling time.

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on May 10, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

*long time

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on May 10, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

You know why they take long?

Because you’re actually watching the game (gasp!)

I know you know this, it’s my backwards way of giving a compliment. So much of the NFL analysis comes from watching highlights or stats and not considering situation, play calls, mistakes made by other positions or good plays by the D that it’s refreshing to see something honest done (you HAD to call him out for the Shanle play to get any credibility, and you did) based on the actual game tape.

Props well deserved.

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Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome

by D3Keith on May 10, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on May 10, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like how he for the most part hit the WR's in stride...

He was hitting WR’s in stride and making smart decisions and well he looked good IMHO

thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro

"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb

by wild_eagle on May 9, 2010 10:38 AM EDT reply actions  

I hope under Kolb......

We still will run a more vertical offence, but include more short stuff that Kolb will be better from because of his accuracy. The Eagles proved last year they can become one of the better air it out teams.

by Young Eagle on May 9, 2010 12:16 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Let me start

By saying I really like what I saw from Kolb, and watching these again made me even more excited for this season. That said, there were a few factors working in his favor that game. He was playing against a Saints defense that
a) Was near the bottom of the league. I don’t care if they’re Superbowl champs, pass defense was a weakness for them, especially earlier in the season.
b) They probably had little respect for Kolb and were gameplanning for a Westbrook-heavy offense.
c) They had effectively no game tape on Kolb.
Oh, and d) Celek is a freakin animal
But given all that, he did take advantage and performed very well. I was particularly impressed with how he handled the massive pressure he was getting because of our o-line problems. I can’t wait to see this guy play this season. Thanks or the post ByeJimmy.

by BarbarosaNo on May 9, 2010 12:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Drive 8, 0:50

I love how Westbrook tried to kick a bad pass to himself. I miss that guy

by Bo Jangles on May 9, 2010 12:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Hey just so you know

When it was 1st and goal at the 9 and Kolb got sacked, the play they called was a QB draw. If you look at the formation and how it was set up, we were suppose to see Kolb run up the middle. Bad communication on the line allowed for the sack though.

by Team Serbia on May 9, 2010 12:52 PM EDT reply actions  

worried

about our o-line next year, he looks much better when given good protection.

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by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on May 9, 2010 1:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Great post though!

Stuff like this is great to have and look at. Kolb did a lot of stuff right that game.

PS: On drive #9, the reason it wasn’t pass interference on Curtis is because it was a lateral rather than a forward pass. I like that play.

by Team Serbia on May 9, 2010 1:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Woof

I almost forgot how awful Kolb’s short mechanics were. The QB coach is going to have to really work on that with him. His passes in the flat have more hangtime than a half court buzzer beater. Even if he has a great year he will probably still be in the Top 5 of QBs intercepted for TDs if it goes unchecked. If I was Mornenweig I would probably hold off on some of those flanker screens and short curls.

by ZorkNemesis on May 9, 2010 1:17 PM EDT reply actions  

That seems like something that can be fixed

in an offseason.

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by D3Keith on May 10, 2010 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

that’s quite ridiculous at this point.

by eagleyosh on May 9, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's not get ahead of ourselves

Berries are nice, but Graham crackers taste pretty good too.

by alcatraz0109 on May 9, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

pfff

what?!!?

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by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on May 9, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

For for those of you that have argued that most of Kolb’s yardage came against the Saints’ prevent defense in the second half, here are his first half numbers…

14/22, 196 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT. Halftime score – 17-13, Saints. I guess we can put that nonsense to bed.

In fairness, that includes 65 yards against what was more often than not (though not exclusively) a soft defense in that final drive of the half. But the Saints did blitz some, and even if we exclude that drive, a 10-16-131-1-0 line on the previous drives is perfectly reasonable, so I’m on your side.

by Eric T. on May 9, 2010 2:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed

Glad someone pointed that out. Though Kolb made the first ‘gain yards over the middle then call timeout’ throw very well then hit guys with an ability to get out of bounds.

by phxphilly on May 9, 2010 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

For those raving about the first half— the SAINTS had zero idea what Kolb’s tendencies were in that first half— there was almost no tape on the dude. It may be telling that after watching Kolb play for two quarters, that’s when they were able to get INTs off him.

I’m sorry, but this whole post just seems like an elaborate slobber on Kolb’s knob. Let’s ooh and aah over an Eagles loss where Kolb threw two picks. Let’s make a loss seem like a win. If that same tape had number 5 instead of 4, Joe D would be screaming look at those dumb picks McNabb threw, he can’t make the throws when it counts, etc.

I hope Kolb is great. But can we wait for him to win some meaningful games in the postseason before we start proclaiming him franchise anything?

by ghostofandrewatters on May 9, 2010 2:59 PM EDT reply actions  

he looked like an NFL QB to me

he knew the offense inside out, made some tight throws…. that’s all I’m saying

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by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on May 9, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know if you realize that the overriding thing about this game was that it was Kolb’s first start. He wasn’t suddenly going to make every pass, and he was guaranteed to make a few mistakes; he’s not superhuman.

But overall, he looked very, very good, and the general thing I took out of this game as that he could run our offense with good efficiency and skill if he got more time to get accustomed to the starting role.

Berries are nice, but Graham crackers taste pretty good too.

by alcatraz0109 on May 9, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

you might be the first to ever make the argument that Kolb was at an advantage because it was his first start.

by eagleyosh on May 9, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

great comment!

"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)

by jalarsen1 on May 10, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh boy… You’re not going to like the commentary on the Chiefs game.

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on May 10, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why does it have to be 5 vs. 4?
If that same tape had number 5 instead of 4, Joe D would be screaming look at those dumb picks McNabb threw, he can’t make the throws when it counts, etc.

I know why people want to make it into that, but it’s really not. Look, you know Joe_D hates McNabb and you know EvilBanner is gonna bash Kolb. Somewhere in the middle are those of us who liked McNabb while he was here but now that he’s gone, are hoping Kolb is a great one.

I thought BD/JK provided a pretty honest look at Kolb’s start. It’s one of two we have to go on right now, and with so much talk about it, it was due for a fair analysis. But I don’t see why we even need to bring McNabb into this one.

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by D3Keith on May 10, 2010 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kolb

Kolb will be successful if, and only if, the offensive line produces AND Reid integrates a running game. I have hope for the o-line, but I don’t have any hope in Andy Reid.

It’s a shame that Kolb will get blamed if things don’t work out. He seems to be legit, but I don’t know if he has McNabb’s ability to turn something out of nothing.

We’ll see…

by JayDuce on May 9, 2010 3:02 PM EDT reply actions  

if we don't run it this year

it’s time to fire morningweg

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by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on May 9, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

How about just this...

“it’s time to fire morningweg”

...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.

Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer

by EvilBanner on May 9, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

On the one hand, the 391 yards are slightly misleading, as are the 3 interceptions. Let’s just ignore the stats on this one.

Ignoring the stats is fine when you’ve done a more detailed analysis. But I’m not sure the three interceptions really are misleading here. He threw passes that risked interception on drive 4, 7, and 12, all with no pressure at all. Not every pass that risks interception will actually be picked (two of three were in this case), and you’ll always have some picks that aren’t entirely the QB’s fault (the Hail Mary in this case). But overall, coming out with three picks here — I’m not sure I’d ignore that.

Also, just skimming through the post, it feels like there were a lot of checkdowns this game. Maybe that’s typical for the Eagles, and particularly unsurprising when they’re trying to protect a first-time starter. But it makes me wonder what we’ll see going forwards, and it makes the interception total a little more painful.

I’m optimistic about Kolb — not based on anything I’ve seen, but just based on blind trust of the team that knows way more about him than I do and has generally made good decisions about their players over the years. But I don’t give this game quite as positive a review as you do.

by Eric T. on May 9, 2010 3:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Make it four risky passes...

By your own analysis on drive 9:

If he misses in any direction, it’s probably a pick.

by Eric T. on May 9, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

What? That's dumb.

He’s an NFL quarterback. You’re not going to have a receiver with no one 5 yards around him every play. There is a risk on every pass and good quarterbacks are the ones you can complete the difficult passes. That was a great pass by Kolb on drive 9.

He threw passes that risked interception on drive 4, 7, and 12, all with no pressure at all. Not every pass that risks interception will actually be picked

Um every quarterback has those, therefore they cancel out. There are no “what if’s” in stats, it is what it is. That’s like saying when Kolb throws it away, he risks not throwing it far enough and risks having a player realize that pick it off.

by Team Serbia on May 9, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure what your point is.

I agree that there are no “what if’s” in stats. The stats say he had three picks, and that’s a lot. The point of this analysis was to go a little deeper and see if that stat was misleading. Jimmy thinks it is, and looking at four passes that could easily have been picked, I don’t think so. My point is that if you make four passes per game that are high-risk passes, you’ll come away with three pick games from time to time.

Yes, he made a great throw on one of them and it wasn’t picked. He made terrible throws on three others, and two of those were picked. And he had one pick that wasn’t his fault. The outcome — three picks — feels about right to me, given how he made his decisions and throws.

by Eric T. on May 9, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Watch drive 6 as well. That play to Curtis was NOT “well done”. It was a horrible throw. If the Saints weren’t playing a prevent D, that’s a touchdown going the other way. Kolb needs to put more velocity and tighter arcs on those throws.

by ZorkNemesis on May 9, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, the corner on that play was not watching the QB and had a delayed reaction. It could have been picked even in THAT situation had he been paying attention and jumped the route. That’s the kind of pass that Asante Samuel loves.

by ZorkNemesis on May 9, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

he obviously read the corner biting on the slot hook

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by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on May 9, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was a step, cock, and throw play. But it doesn’t matter. Whether he read it or not, he should not be lax in throwing to the sidelines, no matter what the situation. A lot of pick sixes in the NFL come from QBs who begin to get too lazy on those types of throws.

Clearly the Saints saw this flaw and made account of it in halftime adjustments, because his very first throw in the 2nd half was jumped by Shanle.

by ZorkNemesis on May 9, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

2 mistakes by Kolb, 2 intercpetions

but it was his first start he’ll get better as he gets more and more comfortable

andy’s t.o. at the end was a huge backfire

The Kolb Era has begun....
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by sports00fan00 on May 9, 2010 3:10 PM EDT reply actions  

your alright Jimmy.....your alright

really great stuff once again. I was actually furious after this game, more for the fact that we got lit up. However i can see where there are a ton of positives that came out of it.

In 20 We Trust

by Lyons81 on May 9, 2010 3:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Slants: Check
Hitches:Check
Outs: NO, and NO
Find the hole in cover 2: Check!!!! The pass to Celek was very impressive.
Getting rid of the ball quickly:Check
Standing in the pocket: Check
Accuracy:Check Plus!
Throwing in rhythm: Check
Deep Ball: ?? Dunno, he threw one from the 3 to the 45, but it didn’t look that impressive. I still don’t know.

Overall, I think he is an upgrade from #5. #5 never was accurate, never threw in rhythm, and held onto the ball way too long. Reid was so in love with him that he would ask him to be Superman because of his arm and play making abilities.
With Kolb, he simply cannot do that if he wants to win. Kolb certainly can get the job done, just don’t ask him to be Superman, and make every single play for you.

Thanks Jimmy, another great post.

by topcat6 on May 9, 2010 4:04 PM EDT reply actions  

shanle..

how many tackles did that dude have?…i was sick of hearin his name by the end of the post….

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by greenbean#twoOH on May 9, 2010 4:21 PM EDT reply actions  

11 tackles that game, 10 solo

nobody else in the game besides Mikell had more than 7 total tackles

Berries are nice, but Graham crackers taste pretty good too.

by alcatraz0109 on May 9, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jimmy

incredible post. I’m blown away.

I feel much much better about kolb now that I got to watch this. Thank you. And i wish i could rec this 100 times.

The Kolb era has begun...

by David_K on May 9, 2010 6:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Fantastic post

Gives me a better feel for Kolb now.

by calunker on May 9, 2010 8:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Great post as usual

I actually was watching the game over again and most of what I thought was great first half and decent to awful second half ….

Let's get it Birds.

by homestar2281 on May 9, 2010 8:34 PM EDT reply actions  

First interception really hurt though

Granted the kickoff fumble followed by INT basically sealed the game. Playing the Saints is tough. They can score nearly any time on offensive so you need to keep up. Turnover, turnover to open the half down four with the ball to start just made the game out of reach.

by phxphilly on May 9, 2010 8:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Absolutely did
Granted the kickoff fumble followed by INT basically sealed the game.

Add in the quick TD when Brees was on fire right before the half, and that’s 21 quick points. They had a chance when they had the ball down 34-20, but in the end … this game was decided by that sequence.

Kolb is gonna throw picks. Ones like those will get us beat.

On the flipside, not every offense we face is going to have the ability of the Saints. If our D is good, 21 to 24 points will win us a lot of games.

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by D3Keith on May 10, 2010 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

HIs 1st interception and his 3 and out on the next series

killed the games. It went from an 11 pt game to a 21 pt game in just a few minutes.

by rajav on May 9, 2010 9:03 PM EDT reply actions  

It wasn’t all on him but he absolutely is at fault for the loss.

The real question is how many excuses people will make for him from this point forward. That leash may feel pretty loose right now…

by ZorkNemesis on May 9, 2010 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

The other question is

Whether certain fans will ever give him a chance.

by wildcatlh on May 9, 2010 10:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

The Saints secondary had a statistical poor year. However they started strong and ended strong. They had a lot of injuries starting in week 4. The secondary KK played against was the best secondary the Saints had last year ( before injuries)
.

But the thing this overview shows is that KK is a NFL quarterback. There is no doubt about that. I believe KK will be fine this year. I think we will see fairly good play at the position and I am confident that we are only one or two years away from being a solid SB contender with KK at quarterback. I wouldn’t count this team out next year. We have seen young talented teams come out of no-where to win a SB, so I am not ruling anything out…GO EAGLES!

by piercit on May 9, 2010 11:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Dude.

I’m trying to focus on baseball season and you’re making me ready for NFL season. Cut it out.

Seriously, awesome post. I definitely feel better about Kolb after watching this.

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by groot on May 10, 2010 2:15 AM EDT reply actions  

I really enjoyed this

Haven’t gotten through it all, but what I have read is very well done. One of the best posts I’ve seen on any sports blog. It makes me want to bring my laptop into the “reading room”!

It's "Kolb"ering time!

by oldasquick on May 10, 2010 7:53 AM EDT reply actions  

Awesome job

Watched em all on my weekend off… he looks good, definitely has some things to work on.. but should only get better w/ more reps.

by Sparki on May 10, 2010 9:38 AM EDT reply actions  

Thanks to all for the kind words.

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on May 10, 2010 10:45 AM EDT reply actions  

One point...

I haven’t read the whole thing (just the first half stuff) and it is a great analysis. One thing struck me as wrong, so I looked it over in the play-by-play. In the second to last drive of the first half, Kolb did throw an incomplete pass, and from what I remember, it was not a good one.

Here’s the play-by-play courtesy of ESPN:

Philadelphia Eagles at 1:40 NOR PHI
1st and 10 at PHI 3 B.Westbrook up the middle to PHI 6 for 3 yards (W.Smith).
Timeout #2 by NO at 01:39.
2nd and 7 at PHI 6 (Shotgun) B.Westbrook up the middle to PHI 8 for 2 yards (S.Shanle).
Timeout #3 by NO at 01:35.
3rd and 5 at PHI 8 (Shotgun) K.Kolb pass incomplete short middle to D.Jackson.
4th and 5 at PHI 8 S.Rocca punts 49 yards to NO 43, Center-J.Dorenbos. R.Bush to NO 46 for 3 yards (Q.Mikell).

That third down pass (from what I remember) was DJax running wide open right across the middle of the field for an easy first down and Kolb threw it about 3 yards behind him (very Donovan-esque). I remember this play as the start of the sequence that cost the Eagles the game, because it led to the shaky Rocca punt, the completely atrocious no-holding call on the Saints, and the touchdown on the next play.

I don’t know that Kolb will be better or worse than Donovan, but one other thing he needs to stop doing is what I refer to as the “Kerry Collins”. You can’t run away from the line of scrimmage at a 45 degree angle and then try and throw the ball off the back leg…he’s still young and his ability to move around in the pocket will get better, but that one thing needs to not happen.

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by Jordan Ellel on May 10, 2010 1:38 PM EDT reply actions  

D'oh!

You’re right. Missed that one somehow. That would have been “Drive #5,” which I omitted completely because I didn’t think Kolb throw any passes. My bad.

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on May 10, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can’t imagine how in such an in-depth analysis you would miss even a single pass (/sarcasm). As I said, this is a great read (that I will finish eventually), and I’ve just fumed about this play in my mind in the past which is why I remembered it in the first place.

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by Jordan Ellel on May 10, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll find it and add it in when I have some time.

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on May 10, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good shit, man.

You even got front page on IgglesBlog.

by LegendKnight22 on May 10, 2010 6:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Haha, nice! One of the comments said I must not be married.

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on May 10, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great Post

Long time reader, but this post made me finally register.

Especially glad you mentioned Kolb recognizing that Porter was trying to jump the slant, something he learned from earlier in the game.

Quality stuff…

by House of Pain on May 11, 2010 12:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Wasnt ..............

the Kolb to Jackson TD in the Saints game the same play as the one in the meadowlands where Don hit Desean for the big TD????

by goldenbird09 on May 13, 2010 8:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow dude Mad props 2 you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thanks man for ur dedication 2 wat prolly took a hella long time 2 make. Ive only watched half so far but i wanted 2 give u sum props and thanks 4 this. So far ive seen Kolb have a pretty damn good 1st half against the Saints and then he kinda fell into a funk with the rest of the team in the after the opening kickoff fumble. For all the haters out there Kolb def has the talent but hes still a little green but he will grow by years end i hope and beleive. I havent set my goals 2 high 4 next year so i wont set myself up 2 be letdown, next year is totally about Kolb getting his feet wet, and if by sum chance hes a juggernaut then great.

by goldenbird09 on May 13, 2010 9:15 PM EDT reply actions  

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