Candidates for Breakout Player of 2010-11
Last season, we witnessed a few Eagles that made huge strides in their game, some expectedly and some unexpectedly. Those players would be Desean Jackson, Brent Celek, Winston Justice, Leonard Weaver, and Akeem Jordan(before injury). Each of them had breakout seasons. So who's going to step up and have a breakout year? What exactly is a breakout player? My definition, after the jump...
Breakout Player:
A non-rookie(typically young) that had his best season by an overwhelming margin compared to his previous year/s in the league. All those players mentioned above fits the criteria.
- Desean Jackson: Had 256 more receiving yards, averaged 3.9 yards more per catch, 7 more receiving touchdowns, 5 receiving touchdowns of 50 yards or more compared to 0 in 2008 and averaged 6.4 yards more per punt return(led the league by far with a 15.2 average). He also made the pro-bowl as a wide receiver and punt returner, something he didn't achieve in his rookie year.
- Brent Celek: In his first two seasons, Celek had a combined 43 catches, 496 yards, and 2 touchdowns. In 2009 alone, he amassed 76 catches, 971 yards, and 8 touchdowns. Celek emerged as one of the league's best tight ends and was arguably the biggest pro-bowl snub of 2009.
- Winston Justice: When Justice was drafted with the 39th pick in the 2006 Draft and most of us expected him to take over Tra Thomas at LT or at least, Jon Runyan at RT. However, he was a HUGE disappointment his first three years in the league and as we remember all too well, surrendered 6 sacks(2nd most all-time) to Osi Umenyiora in his first start in 2007. In 2009, Justice surprisingly played much, much better and started all 16 games at right tackle for us. His play earned him a 4 year, $18.7 million contract extension.
- Leonard Weaver: Weaver was pretty widely known as a "very good" fullback in his 4 years at Seattle. In 2009 with the Eagles, he became a first-team All-Pro selection. In addition to his consistently good blocking, Weaver had a career high, 70 rushing attempts for 323 yards and doubled his previous career touchdown total.
- Akeem Jordan: In 2008(16 games - 6 starts), Jordan had 61 tackles, 0 sacks, 0 passes defended, and 0 interceptions. In the first 8 games of the 2009 season, Jordan already had 46 tackles, 1 sack, 5 passes defended and 2 interceptions. He was on his way to an outstanding season but he missed the next 4 games with a knee injury and wasn't the same the remainder of the season.
.....and that just about rounds up last year's breakout performers but the question is.... who will be this year's?
2010-11 Candidates:
WR JEREMY MACLIN or.....MACLYN
Maclin was one of the top three rookie wide receivers along with Percy Harvin and Hakeem Nicks last year. In 15 games(13 starts), Jeremy amassed 54 catches for 773 yards and 4 TD. After a prolific rookie campaign by Jackson, Maclin followed it up with one of his own. He showed great speed, quickness, hands and crisp route running. I honestly think he will surpass Desean as the best wide receiver on this team although, Desean will probably still be the better player. Jeremy has the intangibles, talent, and skill to be great in this league. My biggest knock on him right now, is that he goes down waaaay too easily. Many times he went down by an arm tackle or a slight trip. If he can improve his body control and strength, he will be a YAC machine. Will he be the next Reggie Wayne, who some people compared him to coming out of college? We will soon find out! I wouldn't bet against him.
RB LESEAN McCOY
Like Maclin, Lesean was one of the top three rookie running backs from last year, along with Knowshon Knowshon Knowshon!!! and JIBTA's man crush, Beanie Wells. McCoy rushed for 637 yards, with a 4.1 avg, and 4 TD. He has some huge shoes to fill as he is taking over the spot the greatest Eagles running back of all time held. McCoy has what it takes to be very good in this league. He is quick, shifty, well balanced and has capable speed, good catching ability, and decent vision. His blocking and carrying has improved as the season progressed. He swayed his arm around way to much causing him to fumble twice in the first 10 games of the season. No fumbles since that point, although Weaver took a chunk of his carries. Another issue with him was that he danced too much at the line of scrimmage. Sometimes, he just needs to hit the hole and hard. McCoy recently said he did some extra lifting and has gotten stronger this off season. That should come into play next season. I don't expect him to be the next Westbrook but he is looking to be very promising.
QB KEVIN KOLB
This guy has the biggest pressure on him next season. Similar to McCoy, he is taking over the greatest Eagles player at his position, Donovan Mcnabb. An NFL team runs through the Quarterback position. If Kolb fails, the Eagles fail. However, all reports on Kevin has been quite positive so far. The coaches love him, team mates love him, and most fans, especially EvilBanner loves him! He has already become the leader of this team. He has shown excellent accuracy on his short-mid range throws, ability to read defenses and find the open man quickly, and good command of the offense. He is a proto-typical West Coast Quarterback(offense not geography). The main concern I have of him is his vision. The three biggest interceptions he threw in his short career so far were all because he missed the safety or linebacker in coverage. During the Reed, Shanle, and Sharper(garbage time) interceptions, Kolb was locked on to his man and ignored the coverage around him. Well, one of those interceptions was in his second appearance in an NFL game in which he came in cold in the middle of the game. The other two were against the reigning Superbowl champs in his first ever start. Sooo, they are excusable. In the Chiefs game, there were a couple really close calls and Kolb was extremely lucky it wasn't intercepted. Against a better defense, those would have been picks. Nonetheless, I expect him to improve on that and play well for us next season.
.......Alright, the first three were gimmes, now it's time to get sexy!
G MAX JEAN-GILLES
JIBTA just got a hard on. Yes, I am a believer in MJG. I wasn't before but I am now. Why? Because, the guy is determined to get better. He just underwent lap-band surgery so he could lose 60-70 pounds. The procedure is having a band tightened around the top of the stomach to reduce food intake and hunger. This is the same procedure Rex Ryan went through this off season and lost a ton of weight. He said, he already has lost 15 pounds in the first week and his diet is mostly consisted of soup and water. He will be ready by the OTA.
Every year the Eagles say they want me to compete for the starting job, but my weight would be an issue and I'm tired of them talking about it, said Jean-Gilles.
I want to get down to what I weighed my junior year in college, Jean-Gilles said. I haven't seen that body in years -- and nobody will have anything to say to me about my weight anymore.
That, my friends gets him major props from me. He already has started 16 games the past 4 seasons and just hasn't started enough due to his weight issue. He seems to be getting that fixed permanently so I'm gonna go ahead and say he will start at least 10 games at guard for us next season and get an extension. The more likely option here would be Mike Mcglynn since he has been sharing 1st team Center reps at mini camp but I said I was going sexy!
^ His only two youtube vids are interviews so I picked this one because the chick is hot!
P DURANT BROOKS
Bye, bye Sav Rocca! Say hello to our new punter. All I know about this kid is that he was drafted in the 6th round by the Skins' in 08. He won the Ray Guy Award for best collegiate punter in his senior year at Georgia Tech. He played in six games with the Redskins his rookie season and had a gross average of 39.6 yards per punt and a net average of 32.1 yards per punt. The Redskins replaced him midseason with Ryan Plackemeier and he finished his rookie year on the Packers practice squad. He was out of a job in '09. Whatever! I don't care! He's gotta be better than Rocca! I won't be able to tolerate another shanked punt! Maybe, Bobby April can coach his ass up and turn him into a pro-bowler. I don't know. You were the best in college, now be at least half as good here and you'll be golden!
Well, those are my top 5 candidates for breakout players of 2010-11. Just for fun here are my....
TOP FIVE DUDS OF 2010-11
Dud: A player that will either A. Suck. B. Not make the final roster. C. Get cut. D. Lose his job as a starter. E. I just hate or F. All of the previous.
- MACHO HARRIS - See - Denver Game
- MARLIN JACKSON - No knees? No thanks!
- KEENAN CLAYTON - You could be good. I just hate you because the Eagles spent a 4th rounder on your ass and I wanted a lot of other players at that spot!
- JUQUA PARKER - Cole, Tapp, Graham, DTO, Sapp, and Abiamiri. You're the odd man out or OLD man out.
- SAV ROCCA - Go back to playing rugby, ya damn Aussie!
Add in your own studs and duds in the comments section and give your reasoning!
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I got Kolb.
With all of those weapons on offense, it will be impossible for him to not have a breakout season.
I don't know what it is about your face,
[holds up fist]
but I just wanna deliver one of these right in your suck hole.
Nice post… I’ll add a few guys on defense I think can have breakout years…
- Moise Fokou
- Ernie Sims
And I’m taking him right out of your dud category, and sticking him into the breakout player category…
Macho!
Think Ernie Sims is gonna be huuuge for us this year. Jordan showed last year how many plays can be made from that weakside when you put a top level athlete there and Sims is even more athletic, dude just flies. As good as Sims might be for us I felt bad for Jordan not getting another shot, I really think that guy can be a player.
Agree with you on Macho too… If anyone thinks Nate Allen is just going to coast into that starting FS role they are mistaken.
VOID!!!
Hey, there we go… We agree. This could be the start of something great, my friend.
And Jordan will still get on the field – He’s talented. They’ll find a way for him to contribute.
….and please tell him you were kidding about Nacho. If he can start at safety his rookie year, I don’t see why Allen can’t.
Jim Johnson(RIP). Brian Westbrook(36). Donovan Mcnabb(5). Brian Dawkins(20). Sheldon Brown(24). Jeremiah Trotter(54).
Thanks for the memories...
Last year, Macho was thrown into a situation where he was starting… day one… at the highest level of football… at a position he had never played before. not easy. I think with a season under his belt, and a full camp to hone his skills at safety, he could be a player. We’ll see.
I think he did a pretty good job under the circumstances last year.
The same thing goes with Winston Justice a few years ago. He was thrown in there, playing a position that he hasn’t played in a while.
I don't know what it is about your face,
[holds up fist]
but I just wanna deliver one of these right in your suck hole.
unless macho made great strides in the off season i dont want to waste our time
he started at FS immeadiately as a rookie and allen has even more potential than he did. i think it’s possible that halfway through the season allen is starting.
Where's JIBTA
when you want his opinion on Macho!? lol
Macho could surprise us, and I wouldn’t put it past him. I would assume that when players get trashed on their play, they should be motivated to get better, especially for the younger guys.
In life, as in a football game, the principle to follow is: Hit the line hard.
-Theodore Roosevelt
I hope he's our nickelback
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by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on May 6, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
macho I mean, not JIBTA
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by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on May 6, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I would rather
JIBTA!!! Macho is a dime back at best.
by MightyJoeBanner on May 6, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
dime schmime
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by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on May 6, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Possibly....
2nd year, knows the defense in the FS role alot better now and apparently he’s put on size and speed……he “could” be a lot better this year…..
Onyl thing is, he’s going to be on a very tight leash with Allen in the mix now…..
KOLB is a natural born leader - something the Eagles haven't had on offense in a long long time. Prediction, we win a SB in the next 3 years.
I got Sims as well....
And I agree with Muffin…..unless KOLB loses both arms this year, he will get many 300+yrd games
KOLB is a natural born leader - something the Eagles haven't had on offense in a long long time. Prediction, we win a SB in the next 3 years.
Ernie Sims, Darryl Tapp, and Stacy Andrews.
Callin’ it now.
Berries are nice, but Graham crackers taste pretty good too.
by alcatraz0109 on May 6, 2010 11:36 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I strongly considered Tapp but I don’t know if he can beat his highest sack(7) and QB hit(13) total sharing the snaps with 3 – 4 defensive ends. Stacy was already a good right tackle with the Bengals. I guess he can be a breakout player at Guard. I hope he has a great “comeback” year.
Jim Johnson(RIP). Brian Westbrook(36). Donovan Mcnabb(5). Brian Dawkins(20). Sheldon Brown(24). Jeremiah Trotter(54).
Thanks for the memories...
nate allen
if he gets the chance to start i think he’ll turn some heads.
also, love the max jean gilles pick, ive liked the guy since they drafted him and i think he steps it up this season.
The real breakout player of 2010
its too bad he is not on our team anymore… CHRIS GOCONG… Dude is going to be an animal in the 34.
VOID!!!
How is it too bad he is not on our team? He was not a good fit as a 4-3 OLB.
Jim Johnson(RIP). Brian Westbrook(36). Donovan Mcnabb(5). Brian Dawkins(20). Sheldon Brown(24). Jeremiah Trotter(54).
Thanks for the memories...
agreed, he would have never reached his full potential with us.
Its not like i have ill wishes towards the guy, Ive always been a big gocong fan… its just that if he performs as well as i think he could that trade is going to look real bad.
VOID!!!
Gocong is too slow
he will never be that good
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by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on May 6, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
haha
the only thing chris gocong is gonna break is his ankles. . hes horrible!!
by jack is better than asante on May 6, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
On a sorta related note
Did anyone else see the interview where Reid said he needed the lap band surgery more the MJG i laughed pretty damn hard.
But I hope MJG has a break out year we need it
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Marlin Jackson
I can see him being really productive. His knees are effed but people can come back from knees, and im not giving up on him yet
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plus we have no depth
so we need him for that reason alone.
"Don't Give Up... Don't Ever Give Up!" - Jim Valvano
(unless it's terminal)
that would be tits
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by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on May 6, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
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I WILL do great things so stand in my way if u want to come across because once the play starts its you and me.....
i always win
by HawaiiEaglesFanatic on May 6, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Macho Harris
If he reverts back to his natural position of CB he will give us quality depth and i beleive he will be a solid contributor on out DFense
To me the Eagles are like that girlfriend that pisses u off, then u hate her, but the next morning you wake up and remember that thing u love so much about her
by XxBleedGreen5xX on May 6, 2010 12:38 PM EDT reply actions
My potential breakout players...
Harris. McCoy. Maclin. N. Cole and Shawn Andrews.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
his music career, that is
Berries are nice, but Graham crackers taste pretty good too.
by alcatraz0109 on May 6, 2010 2:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
shit stacy I mean.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
and Shawn Andrews
He said “breakout” not “back out”
I don't know what it is about your face,
[holds up fist]
but I just wanna deliver one of these right in your suck hole.
I meant stacy andrews sorry
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
Maclin will be a beast.
But he won’t be able to do it without Kolb being great, which I think that he will be. Can I vote for both?
Brent Celek > Chuck Norris
That’s not true. Calvin Johnson had 78 catches, 1331 yards and 12 TD with Dan Orlovsky and Daunte Culpepper as his QB. Steve Smith has been elite with an average QB. Vernon Davis with Alex Smith etc…etc..
Jim Johnson(RIP). Brian Westbrook(36). Donovan Mcnabb(5). Brian Dawkins(20). Sheldon Brown(24). Jeremiah Trotter(54).
Thanks for the memories...
To be fair
Steve Smith was really good when Delhomme was playing good.
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Not really...
Steve Smith was elite while Delhomme was average. Look at their 05’ and 08’ numbers.
Main point is, Maclin can still be great while Kolb is just good.
Jim Johnson(RIP). Brian Westbrook(36). Donovan Mcnabb(5). Brian Dawkins(20). Sheldon Brown(24). Jeremiah Trotter(54).
Thanks for the memories...
I realize Maclin can with kolb just being good
But delhomme played better than average.
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Okay….decent.
Jim Johnson(RIP). Brian Westbrook(36). Donovan Mcnabb(5). Brian Dawkins(20). Sheldon Brown(24). Jeremiah Trotter(54).
Thanks for the memories...
by Route36 on May 6, 2010 4:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Kolbs
favorite target was Maclin followed by Celek.
by MightyJoeBanner on May 6, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
good point
but Maclin isn’t the beast that Calvin is.
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by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on May 6, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
ya calvin is a man beast
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by HawaiiEaglesFanatic on May 6, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
fag.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
I hope
it is Kolb.
If Kolb is the #1 breakout guy this year then guys like Maclin and McCoy won’t be far behind.
I'm gonna go with Stacy Andrews
I remember watching Eagles live a while back and Spadaro was telling everybody about a talk he had with juan castillo and how much winston justice has improved. Juan said that he worked with winston that entire offseason. Juan also said that the guy you need to watch out for next season (which is now this season) is Stacy Andrews, he said Andrews was his project for the upcoming season. I can only hope Juan has done as much for Stacy as he has done for Winston. I am very excited to see him play.
"Dude what the hell do you mean save my face? My face is fine." - CNCITINFO
gotta go with my boy McCoy
hey JIBTA watch that highlight vid you hater.
McCoy is the shit
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by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on May 6, 2010 2:20 PM EDT reply actions
I choose Kolb
Its his year to really make or break. If he has a break out year… Eagles fans will go crazy. At the end of the day…. he is the head honcho, leader of the pack and the face of the franchise now….
In life, as in a football game, the principle to follow is: Hit the line hard.
-Theodore Roosevelt
If they move marlin to starting RCB (if he's healthy) and Macho to nickle
we will be alright…something tells me that macho is a better nickle than hanson at this point
…so i’m going with macho, but if he starts at FS than forget it
"If I can get you to think twice, I'm in your head."
-Brian Dawkins
"Yeah, I like to hit people"
-Brandon Graham
If Maclin plays like he did at the end of last season, he could have 1200 yards and 10 TDs.
I am the people's troll :3™
Yea was it me
Or was Maclin playing with attidude at the end of the year. He looked like he had a little bit of a nasty streak to him or something. Whyat ever it was I liked it.
he kept improving all year
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by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on May 6, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, i liked how he was slapping ken hamlin around like a bitch.
"it's like i tell my ex-wife, i never drive faster than i can see, and besides it's all in the reflexes." -Jack Burton, Big trouble in little China
its because ken hamlin is a bitch lol
"Believe deep down in your heart that you're destined to do great things." - Joe Paterno
I WILL do great things so stand in my way if u want to come across because once the play starts its you and me.....
i always win
by HawaiiEaglesFanatic on May 6, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Max
you know im going with my boy .. i actually have his jersey .. i think im the only one .. hes nasty .. he will show you what a real guard looks like .. not that bum herremans u all praise
by jack is better than asante on May 6, 2010 5:43 PM EDT reply actions
do you like
anyone that other people like?
by MightyJoeBanner on May 6, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
BTW
I picked you to play over Macho. I think you would do better in coverage with your hockey gear on.
by MightyJoeBanner on May 6, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
LMAO!
who owns a Gilles jersey? JIBTA that’s ballin
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by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on May 6, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm speechless...
I won’t be surprised if, between now and camp, he loses control and swallows cases of Ho-Ho’s and Ding Dongs… It’s a disgrace that a supposed pro has that little control around food…
by 92-74-99-96 on May 6, 2010 8:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
dunlap shmunlap
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by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on May 6, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Ingram = Stud, Sims = Dud
If Jordan was so good why did they even get Sims? Sims will not hold up against the run and move to nickel LB.
Ingram will become a Jason Avant type player. So, not a starter but will have impact plays.
Um sims is damn good, he was injured last year and didnt fit
Detroits defensive scheme anymore and he’d want to much money, he’s also in the final year of his rookie deal and well quite frankly he is a good LB for a low price.. We got him for a 5th rounder and he’s 4x the LB witherspoon is.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
They got Sims
To create compotition and Jordan was very injured and we would have the same LB situation last season if Jordan got injured again and Sims is pretty good so I don’t know why u think he soo bad
Sims is pretty damn good.
he hits like Dawk use too… Prolly harder.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
wreckless tackler like Dawk
my Lions fan friend wasn’t pleased with the trade
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by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on May 7, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
no, wreckless isnt exactly the word...
More like he loves fucking people up.. Wreckless makes him seem like he just throws his body at the ball carrier and say’s Great if I hit him, great if I dont.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
Agree
Has the size, speed and upper body strength of a young TO, with much better hands and without the head-case. Could be by far the best at throwing off the jam out of our already deep receiver corps. Absolutely critical to making the underneath/inside seam threat real, which is what really makes the WCO hum. If he is able to draw lots of SS attention underneath, then it ensures that DJax and Maclin will have room to rock. But since Cornelius is (for now) the stealth weapon, I am looking for him to really sting the likes of GB and especially Jacksonville’s jam coverage in week 3 before opposing defenses realize that they have to game plan around him – essentially our version of what Plax used to do to us. So if it works out this way, Maclin will also have a great year, but I think safe to say that if other teams start to see our receiving corps as a 3-headed monster, it would be Ingram out of the 3 that would be considered the biggest ‘breakout’? I am a huge fan of Avant too – but I don’t think he brings the physicality to really rip the middle wide open in the same way, so he’ll get less thrown his way from the slot.
by PrincetonGreen on May 7, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Haha...
I was wondering how my post got so many votes, just now saw that it was front paged(probably 6-8 hours ago). Doh!
I appreciate the appreciation for my hard work, Jason, or Bob_Q, or Jimm….Bye Dawk :(
I refuse to acknowledge the name change! lol
Jim Johnson(RIP). Brian Westbrook(36). Donovan Mcnabb(5). Brian Dawkins(20). Sheldon Brown(24). Jeremiah Trotter(54).
Thanks for the memories...
Out of the 578 votes cast, MJG receive 3 of them. .5% of the votes.
I know MJG is a career backup, I know he shouldn’t be starting more than 4 games, and if he wind up doing so, something went seriously wrong…. but I find that percentage absolutely hilarious. Maybe I’m just cruel.
RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
JIBTA is one of those 3. I wonder who the other two were. I voted Maclin.
If he does have a breakout year, remember where you guys heard it first(JIBTA) and who named him a top 5 candidate(Me =)
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no
maclin is good .. hes better than jackson .. so how is he gonna be break out
by jack is better than asante on May 7, 2010 3:08 AM EDT up reply actions
by significantly
improving on his numbers from last year. That would make him a breakout.
"I will never have my best season," Brian Dawkins
"There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them." Bruce Lee
"This fucking game is over!" Chuck Bednarik
"Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth" Mike Tyson
no
he was a rookie last year .. he will be better this year .. thats a given .. recievers take 3 years to develop .. so i dont think he can be considered a breakout canidate when hes already the best wr we have
by jack is better than asante on May 7, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
How is a rookie that didn’t reach 800 yards is better than a player that was was just under 1,200 yards and tie an NFL record for most 50+ yards TDs in a season?
RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
by Imp on May 7, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Maclin
will def be better Jackson but its not going to happen as fast as JIBTA is saying
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no
maclin is better right now .. jackson is too small
by jack is better than asante on May 8, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Your logic is flawed Jibta. Nobody is too small or too big or too blue or too green. It is who makes the most out of the opportunties they are given. I don’t understand how you quote facts and stats for some of your arguments but completely ignore stats for your other’s. That’s just asinine. I agree that I think Maclin will be the better receiver then Jackson, but as of right now at this very moment, nothing supports the facts. I am tempted to list stats to back this up, but it would just piss me off when you completely glance over them and reassert your baseless opinion. By your assumptions, Barden, from the Giants, should end up being one of the most dominating WR’s this game has ever seen. 6 foot 6 inches, 230 lbs, ran a 4.48 40 yard dash at his pro day, or an official 4.61 40 yard dash at the combine. yet he couldn’t even crack the Giants starting lineup last year. This means that he might have great potential but lacks the stats to back up any assertions to the contrary. The same with Maclin. He is taller and bigger than Jackson but he is also slower. His production thus far does not support the notion that he is better then Jackson. The 3 year rule, is a fantasy football tall tale that has been right sometimes, but just as often fails to deliver. Randy Moss is a fine example of this. Rookie year in 11 games he acheived 69 rec 1313 yds and 17 TD’s. he was still learning the system and not completely developed right? yet in year 3 in 16 games he was only slighter better in the reception and yardage department at 77 rec 1437 yards, respectively and not quite as good with receiving TD’s at 15. he also dropped off his 4th year. Increased receptions to 82, but loss yards with 1233 and and loss a huge amount of TD’s, to 10. At this point, he should of been breaking records, yet he wasn’t. Well maybe Randy Moss is the exception. I mean he is most likely a hall of famer so lets go with someone else who fits your criteria. Andre Johnson has the size and speed. He is probably the number 2 or 3 WR in the league right now. His rookie year was not bad 16 games 66 rec 976 yards 4 TD’s. he increased everything in year 2, but come year 3 his stats dropped. He was injured 3 games but even with that, not enough to warrant the drop off he received. 63 receptions 688 yards and 2 TD’s. So since he has the question mark of being injured on his resume lets look at the next time he played 16 games. year 4 he had 103 receptions which is fantastic. However with that he only had 1147 yards of receiving and 5 TD’s. This isn’t even as good as his 2 nd year (when he was still developing) That year he had less receptions with 79 but only 5 less yards with 1142 and 1 more TD, with 6. I don’t understand how in a developing year he was just as good as a year where he knew the system and was “developed”. Lets chalk it up to the fact that David Carr was the QB and thus inconsistent.
The facts are that I could listen even more players, which I am sure all would have had something happen that skewed the stats, and you could go find players that prove your statements as well. However when it comes down to raw figures that can not be disputed, Jackson is better then Maclin at this point in time, and until Maclin wins that battle that’s just how it is.
Side note here* Jackson is entering his 3rd year so his stats “should” be better then last years. He should be entering his final stage of development.
Now feel free to completely disregard the facts and reassert your baseless argument again.
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Without trying to sound like a total
ass hat you REALLLLY should have broke that into paragraphs.
But it def is all true what you are saying. it was just seriously hard to read all of that
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my bad. It was typing with a fury.
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"This fucking game is over!" Chuck Bednarik
"Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth" Mike Tyson
Figured, it was a response to JIBTA after all
But seriously Maclin in a year or two is going to be way better then Desean.
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nope
maclin didnt play all year .. look at maclins last 10 games and look at jacksons .. who was better? maclin is a good wr .. jackson lives or dies on a big play .. if u take away the big play he doesnt do shit
by jack is better than asante on May 8, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
If you take away Maclins big plays he didnt do shit either...
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
ehh
i would take maclin anyday ..jackson is limited by his size .. maclin wiill be good
by jack is better than asante on May 9, 2010 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I want them both period..
we dont have to choose a “favorite child” we want them both..
Eventually teams will have to pick their poisen and choose which one to double team, and the other will kill them, and it they double team both that opens up Avant against a 3rd or 4th CB, and Celek/McCoy/RB against LB’s.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
I really never like Kolb...
I wonder y the Eagles didnt push 4 Bradford or let it b known there will b a open battle with Vick for the starting QB job..
Is there sumthng with Kolb im missing?
But i like JEREMY MACLIN best as a break out player.. He has upside
Intensity - could be the missing ingredient in the huddle
I have 2 concerns with Kolb – not sure he can really stretch the field with the long ball, which is what we need to get full value from the DJax/Maclin threat against teams with weak FSs – and his annoying habit of staring down his intended target. Might as well light up the receiver with a spotlight and radio the CB with co-ordinates. But what I hope is the big plus is that he will bring some intensity into the huddle. The guy jumps on the back of wild boar and stabs them with a big-a$$ bowie knife, and calls that a fun day out in the woods. I don’t think I’d want to be the receiver that just dropped an easy pass facing him across the huddle. 5 had a certain leadership style – keep it loose, keep everyone having fun, really enjoy the game. I think it worked well alot of the time, particularly when we started winning early. Everyone starts to go around smiling and believing they can do no wrong, and that confidence delivered some great performances. But that style doesn’t work so well in bigger games, or when you get behind or when things aren’t going so well. Then you need a bit more of a hard a$$ that barks out what each guy is going to do or else he is going to kick their a$$. Patton. Tommy-lee Jones in the Fugitive ("what I want from each and every one of you is a hard-target search of every gas station, residence, warehouse, farmhouse, henhouse, shit-house and doghouse in that area. Checkpoints go up at fifteen miles. Your fugitive’s name is Dr. Richard Kimble. Go get him. "). At that moment, every one of the sheriff’s deputies has a big boost of confidence that they are going to get their man, all confusion doubt and uncertainty are gone. It is called situational leadership. None of us will ever know what Donovan did or didn’t do in the huddle when the chips were down – but we did see an unfortunate pattern to the outcomes. Some may remember a very small, casual interview of 5 by a 10-year old after the pro-bowl where he asked “what do you say in the huddle”. 5 said “mostly tell jokes”. Of course many pointed out that 5 was just having some fun with a kid reporter – but it did make me wonder whether there was a grain of truth in the unscripted, top-of mind response. I can’t see Peyton or Brett coming up with an answer like that, even to a kid reporter. I don’t think we need or want someone who is going to chew out a teammate on the sidelines on national TV like Sheli has done – just bring some steel to the hunt when things get tough. Remember what Garcia pulled off with a weak arm and mediocre receivers – but a real grit and passion for winning? He got more out of the group of players around him that year than 5 did, even though his individual contribution was nowhere near as great.
So the jury is still out – we will have to see if Kolb can learn a good look-fake, and if his combination of short accuracy and long-ball stretch is good enough to reach the open receiver whichever one it happens to be, anywhere on the field. If he does that, and brings his Bowie knife to the huddle, then this team could really do some great things.
by PrincetonGreen on May 7, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Its called being a Leader....
“We fight together, we win together, we die together” …..that is the #1 reason McNabb couldnt do it with this offense, its play-calling and in this city…..
THAT is the main difference……. all the stats and the rest of the BS…like throwing at receivers feet, or not being able to throw the long ball…..thats all irrelevant in the big picture man…….
If youre a good leader, and can get everyone on board with you, you don’t need to be perfect…..people will go to war for you, and in the end….thats all we can ask of players….if KK can prove that (and he will), with all of the talent this team has…. the Eagles and their fans will on their way to enjoy a SB win in the near future….
KOLB is a natural born leader - something the Eagles haven't had on offense in a long long time. Prediction, we win a SB in the next 3 years.
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What was all that? lol
but real talk i thought for sure the eagles was going to trade all those extra picks you gather for that #1 overall and grab Bradford. You had the ammo.. but hey
we invested
3 years in a QB, having him learn our system. We drafted him over guys that were getting more hype like Stanton, with our first pick of the 2007 draft, which just happened to be in the 2nd round. he also performed very well in the 2 games he started last year. Why would we throw all that away and go get a rookie who hasn’t proven anything at the NFL level when our offense can compete right now and our defense will at most take an additional year to develop? Bradford isn’t gonna even be that good. We have it set right now that if Kolb completely busts on us, we can get one of the QB’s in this upcoming draft that is loaded with them. However when Kolb succeeds, it will be that much sweeter and fuel our next decade of kicking ass.
"I will never have my best season," Brian Dawkins
"There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them." Bruce Lee
"This fucking game is over!" Chuck Bednarik
"Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth" Mike Tyson
at least Colt McCoy?
There were sum QB’S THAT DROP!!!
Like i said just dnt like the guy… to stack all the eggs on Kolb unless Vick is waiting in the wing?
Vick the secret weapon? Vick the Insurance policy?
That is the only way the Eagles can hav a full draft without selecting a QB…
I would take Vick all day b4 i would let KOlb on the field.
Besides what is wrong with Bradford That guy pro day was compare to Troy Aikman…
I don’t understand why you dislike Kolb so much you would much rather start a rookie QB instead of going with the guy that has been groomed for three years…
That is the only way the Eagles can hav a full draft without selecting a QB…
Uh…Mike Kafka?
I would take Vick all day b4 i would let KOlb on the field.
Vick: 67 career starts, two 300 yards games
Kolb: 2 career starts, two 300 yards games.
Besides what is wrong with Bradford
Nothing. Except his career is going to end within the first five hits he takes.
RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
thats any QB
Romo went out with a hit to his hand…Thats any qb..
The reason i like dnt like Kolb is bc when he did play he just wasnt any better than McNabb u can say he was just gettin use to the pro game but..
in 2007 when Favre went out and A.Rodgers came in he slice Dallas D apart i knew right then that guy was foreal.
Dallas made excuses about not havn any film on the guy.. yea rite, that guy just knew how to play QB and was accurate.
I just dont c that in Kolb..Vick will be your startn QB next year or by the end of the season.
Romo went out with a hit to his hand…Thats any qb..
Bradford took two hits to his shoulder last season. Both injured him. You don’t think his career has “Career shorten by injury” written all over it?
The reason i like dnt like Kolb is bc when he did play he just wasnt any better than McNabb u can say he was just gettin use to the pro game but..
First career start, he did a full drive in 30 seconds to get a FG in first half of the Saints game. First career start, he did that.
Seriously, he did one hell of a job. Just look at JimmyK’s post on front page.
And bullshit if Vick is the starting QB, injuries notwithstanding. He is one of the shittest passer in the last decade.
RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
by Imp on May 9, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
lostar
you are just talking shit to talk shit.
Vick can win games, but Vick can not be a great QB. Kolb has that ability. You are going to really question Reid’s eye for talent? If he see’s Kolb as being able to handle the load, your very limited views of him have no bearing or any real weight.
The reason i like dnt like Kolb is bc when he did play he just wasnt any better than McNabb
and this is a bad thing why? McNabb has been one of the most dynamic QB’s in this last decade. If Kolb turns out to win like McNabb, with the rest of the much improved offense McNabb never really had, that sounds like a plan for winning to me.
Vick will be your startn QB next year or by the end of the season.
If Kob gets injured maybe. But even if Kolb is completely throwing away games, I doubt he gets replaced. Reid knows he has one year of poor QB play available where he will still keep his job. Kolb will be given all the time he needs this year to succeed.
Also as Imp stated we drafted Mike Kafka in the 4th round, who I bel;ieve has the skills and the drive to be the best QB out of this draft class. Sure we could of drafted McCoy, but there was not a need too. We instead got some very good defensive talent and still have a nice young QB to coach up. I actually feel more secure about Kolb after reading your statements. it makes me think your team fears what he could bring to the table. Awesome
"I will never have my best season," Brian Dawkins
"There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them." Bruce Lee
"This fucking game is over!" Chuck Bednarik
"Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth" Mike Tyson
I told u i have zero fears about Kolb..
Its Vick I fear with your WR core.
I mean there is no hate for Kolb… i gave A. Rodgers credit and he is a top 10 QB in the NFL playn rite now.I knew when i first saw Schaub play in ATL he had it (if he’s healhy)..
Im a fan of football 1st i judge players.. i scout them and all.
I just think Kolb is just an ok QB with really nuthn special about him.
U guys talk about Vick thrown but look at Vince Young it took him a few years and effort.. but look at him now.. He was also a QB i love coming out of the draft.
Y should i doubt your team coaches eye for talent im not an Eagles fan. Thats sumthn u guys hav to worry about.
If we tried to develop Colt McCoy,
we’d be wasting our fucking time on a limp-dick arm. B-R-O-H-M.
And Sam Bradford’s ceiling is Eli Manning.
Berries are nice, but Graham crackers taste pretty good too.
when have you seen him play?
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by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on May 7, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
He has been sharing the first-team center reps at mini-camp. Nick Cole has been anointed the starter for now though. If Cole goes down anytime in the season or stinks it up at center(which I doubt), Mcglynn will be starting at least until Jackson returns.
Jim Johnson(RIP). Brian Westbrook(36). Donovan Mcnabb(5). Brian Dawkins(20). Sheldon Brown(24). Jeremiah Trotter(54).
Thanks for the memories...
calling him a candidate for breakout
without ever seeing him play?
My "t" and "y" buttons are messed up so don't bitch at me about misspelling, I'm just saying.
by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on May 7, 2010 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
not you but the guy above, unless you see mini-camps or go to training camp
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by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on May 7, 2010 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
He probably never seen him play and is just going by the assumption he is good because he is practicing with the 1st team. Either that or he is just taking a wild guess.
Jim Johnson(RIP). Brian Westbrook(36). Donovan Mcnabb(5). Brian Dawkins(20). Sheldon Brown(24). Jeremiah Trotter(54).
Thanks for the memories...
Anant just got paid this offseason
I think that kevin will throw the ball his way a lot more this season with those short to intermediate routes and everybody knows that he is the best route runner and has the strongest hands on the team perfect fit for this broader w/c offense
"Bleed green for life my nocos"
I expect more sustained drives this year
so definitely if thats the case, avant will have increased touches.
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by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on May 7, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions

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