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NFL Writer puts us as a tier 3 team



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Another national media writer that thinks McNabb was the sole reason why this team was relevant for this past decade. Forget our pro bowl defenses (which got upgrades this year) and our formidable offensive lines and running backs. Interestingly enough he kept Washington as a tier 3 team but did mention McNabb was going to ignite the offense like Favre did to the Vikings (LOLLLLLLLL).

 

And all the sudden the Giants are a tier 2 team even though their defense gave up 3rd most points in the NFL next to the lowly Rams and Lions. Why is everyone on their nuts again?

 

Tier 1

Indianapolis Colts -- Peyton Manning is calling the plays and executing the passing game like a surgeon. The Colts were 6-0 in the division last year and had the top conference record in the NFL at 10-2. They went 14-2 last year without Bob Sanders or Anthony Gonzalez.

New Orleans Saints -- Drew Brees led the Saints offense to 510 points (31 per game) in 2009 and of course a Super Bowl victory. A second year in defensive coordinator Gregg Williams' scheme will make that unit even more effective.

minnesota Vikings: The Vikings are up this high because I believe Brett Favre is coming back and the "Williams wall" will avoid the four-game StarCaps suspensions this season. Minnesota was one of just two teams that went 8-0 at home last year and they seem to have the Packers' number.

Dallas Cowboys: Some think this is too high for the Cowboys, but their quiet offseason, quality roster depth (outside of safety), and quarterback Tony Romo finally getting a playoff win set the stage for a big season in 2010. The Cowboys' defense only gave up 250 points last year (15.6 per game).

San Diego Chargers: Philip Rivers is the best quarterback in the division, the team went 11-0 to end the 2009 season and running back Ryan Mathews will have a solid rookie season replacing his boyhood idol, LaDainian Tomlinson. The rest of the division is closing in but all three teams are a year away from bringing the Chargers down.

Green Bay Packers: The Packers had the top rushing defense in the NFL last year. Aaron Rodgers has plenty of receivers to throw to and the offensive line lucked out when Bryan Bulaga fell to them in the first round. The Packers allowed 68 total points in two games vs. the Vikings last year. They have to find a way to change that or it's wild card time again.

Tier 2

New York Jets: The Jets are a "hot" team, but do the acquisitions of Santonio Holmes, Antonio Cromartie and Tomlinson offset the losses of Thomas Jones, Alan Faneca, Jay Feely and Leon Washington? Who wins the next chess match between Mark Sanchez and NFL defensive coordinators who studied the second-year QB all winter?

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Baltimore Ravens: The Ravens finally got Joe Flacco some receiver help and he is ready to get the ball to Anquan Boldin and Donte' Stallworth when teams overplay Ray Rice and the run game. I still wonder about Baltimore's cornerbacks and the pass defense.

Cincinnati Bengals: Many people have simply disregarded the Bengals and their 6-0 division record last season as a one-time event. Cincinnati established a solid running game and this year, with new weapons, the passing game should come alive.

New York Giants: The Giants defense still has question marks, but the offense has firepower. The young wide receivers were a major concern this time last year, but they developed nicely and turned a weakness into a strength.

New England Patriots: Lots of people are predicting the demise of the Patriots, but I don't see a doomsday scenario in New England. Brady led the No. 3 passing attack last season in his first year back from a knee injury, throwing 28 touchdown passes to just 13 picks. He will be better this season. The Pats have a tremendous home-field advantage (8-0 in the 2009 regular season) and an improved defense that gave up just 17.8 points per game last year.

San Francisco 49ers: The Niners are a "hot" team poised to take the next step. They play very good defense (17.6 points per game) and quarterback Alex Smith is ready to play winning football. Look for WR Michael Crabtree to have a fine season and remember the Niners beat Arizona twice last year.

Tier 3

Philadelphia Eagles: I think the Eagles are in for a little of what Green Bay went through when they traded Brett Favre two years ago. Kevin Kolb appears to be a fine prospect, but he will have some growing pains.

Arizona Cardinals: Kurt Warner retired and the team lost a half dozen players in the offseason during free agency. The defense needs time to gel and the QB situation needs some patience. Last year, this team was only 4-4 at home and was swept by the 49ers.

Atlanta Falcons: I like the progress QB Matt Ryan has made and with the addition of Dunta Robinson at corner, the defense should match up better against the Saints. Atlanta lost to New Orleans twice last year by a combined 11 points and should be right back in contention with the defending champs.

 

Pittsburgh Steelers: If Ben Roethlisberger is going to serve his full six-game suspension, then this team drops to Tier 4. I know the Steelers have a lot of pride and the defense and running game will be the focal points until Roethlisberger returns. But Pittsburgh still has issues at cornerback, and the Ravens and Bengals will go after the Steelers with their ramped up passing attacks.
Miami Dolphins: There's a lot riding on the arm of second-year starter Chad Henne down in South Florida. The addition of Brandon Marshall, a perennial 100-reception receiver, will loosen up the running lanes for Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams. It will be very interesting to see how the Dolphins manufacture sacks with the loss of Joey Porter and Jason Taylor.

Washington Redskins: The addition of a proven head coach, general manager and quarterback has changed everything for the 'Skins. Last year, Washington scored 17 or fewer points 11 times. Not many teams can win that way. Donovan McNabb is not going to let the offense repeat those numbers in 2010. He energizes the 'Skins the way Favre ignited the Vikings.

Tier 4

Houston Texans: This is the third year in a row the cries to elevate the Texans into Tier 2 are loud and clear. They lost offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan, linebacker Brian Cushing starts the year with a four-game suspension and they let their best corner, Dunta Robinson, go in free agency. Plus, the Texans still have to clear a hurdle known as Peyton Manning if they are ever to win the division title.

Tennessee Titans: Vince Young is steadily becoming a winning QB in the NFL. I would doubt if Chris Johnson misses any real time over his contract. Jeff Fisher has a youth movement going on but the Titans don't have to dismantle the whole roster to get back into Super Bowl contention.

 

Chicago Bears -- My good buddy, former Bears QB Jim Miller, thinks the Bears will win 11 games this year. I'm not sure the team has that many wins in it, but I do think Jay Cutler will benefit greatly from offensive coordinator Mike Martz. Chicago is a classic Tier-4 team that could jump up and surprise people. Julius Peppers helps the defense and it's time for the current players to answer the criticism coming from retired Bears players taking shots at the team.

Carolina Panthers: Some pundits think the Panthers have been dismantled and need to be in Tier 5. Others think they are a solid Tier-2 team. Considering they will have an inexperienced quarterback under center and must replace five to seven starters with their own backups, I think they belong right here. But who replaces the backups? The answer is draft picks and rookie free agents. If the injury bug hits, that spells trouble for special teams.

Seattle Seahawks: Pete Carroll will energize the organization and if he gets 16 games out of quarterback Matt Hasselbeck, the Seahawks will be competitive. The division race tightened up when Kurt Warner retired. Seattle still needs to find a pass rush after giving up 245.4 passing yards per game last year.

Denver Broncos: Broncos fans looked up one day and their favorite stars -- from head coach to quarterback and finally receiver -- were gone. Now they may be asking, "Where do we go from here?" If rookie QB Tim Tebow plays this year, the Broncos are officially a Tier-5 team.

Jacksonville Jaguars -- No one is talking about the Jaguars this offseason unless it is to speculate about their coach being on the hot seat. The Jags have been in this situation in years past and have responded to the challenge. The young wide receivers showed lots of promise last year and RB Maurice Jones-Drew told me last week he needs to be the No. 1 fantasy draft pick this year because he's ready for another big season. Quarterback David Garrard needs to improve and early reports out of Jacksonville say he's headed in the right direction.

Tier 5

Kansas City Chiefs: In each of the past four seasons, one team in the NFL has gone from last to first in its division. Many people feel the Chiefs have the best chance to continue the trend in 2010. Losing to Buffalo and Cleveland late in the year is a reminder that there is still lots of work to do. Coach Todd Haley is a year wiser and he told me he feels the locker room is now filled with guys who understand what it takes to win.

Oakland Raiders: Lots of optimism in Raider Nation with JaMarcus Russell out and Jason Campbell under center. Campbell is better than Russell for sure, but he is still a work in progress and isn't an instant winner. He needs lots of help from the supporting cast. The Raiders beat Philadelphia, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh and Denver last year, which, for a team that averaged 12 points per game, is no small feat.

Cleveland Browns -- If Jake Delhomme has something left, then Cleveland is a solid Tier-4 team. Keep in mind they won four straight to end the season last year and there is positive energy coming out of the combination of Mike Holmgren and Eric Mangini. There's just too much work to be done in this rebuild to think 2010 is the year.

Tampa Bay Buccaneers: I really like the Buccaneers' second-year QB Josh Freeman, but he needs more than half a season under center to be ready for a playoff push. It will be interesting to see how the rookie defensive tackles, Gerald McCoy and Brian Price, fare in their first season on the field. The Bucs are headed in the right direction and should be tougher in the second half of the season.

Detroit Lions: No doubt head coach Jim Schwartz is the right man for the job and the team is headed towards respectability, but the Lions have a long way to go. Matthew Stafford faces the second-year challenges all young QBs face and the O-line has to keep him upright. The defense will be built around Ndamukong Suh, but it takes a lot more than one rookie tackle to help the 32nd-ranked defense in the NFL. They will win more games this year than they have in the past three years, but they are simply not ready to collect more wins than losses.

Buffalo Bills: I will get some negative comments about the Lions being ranked ahead of the Bills, but Buffalo has many problems. Who is the QB? Who blocks the edges in the protection schemes? Who replaces the production WR Terrell Owens delivered last year? How does a defense that gave up 156.3 yards per game on the ground get better when the front office took a running back in the first round of the draft and converted to a 3-4 scheme?

St. Louis Rams: The Rams made the right decision taking quarterback Sam Bradford in the first round, but it also means the rebuild is going to take time. No one wants to hear it, but Rams fans still have to be patient.

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by Rabbit T on May 26, 2010 4:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Really?

We drop from a upper 2nd teir/low first teir to third just bcause of the McNabb loss……And the Redskins jump from wherever they were?!

UDDDDAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!

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by Udalango on May 26, 2010 4:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Tier 5

They’ve been pretty awful for some years now

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by RiotJuice on May 26, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mostly agree with the rankings

I’d switch the packers and jets though

by Djax10 on May 26, 2010 4:44 PM EDT reply actions  

It annoys me how sports writers continue to compare us to the 2008 Packers. The Packers had “growing pains” BECAUSE THEIR DEFENSE SUCKED. Rodgers had something like 4000+ yards and 28 TDs. I don’t think there’s an Eagles fan alive that wouldn’t take that as a guarantee for Kolb’s 2010 season.

by wildcatlh on May 26, 2010 5:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Not to start trouble

But I think that prediction is entirely fair.

Sure our defense (giants) sucked last year, but there were tangible reasons that have been focused on and upgraded. The only hole we have currently is MLB. The rest are good or solid players.
As much as the Eagles success had been defense and McNabb, the Eagles, from May, no longer have either. The secondary’s a mess. Samuels and who?
Formidable Running backs? Solid, but not anything to lose sleep over. Formidable OL? I may be out of date, but isn’t your starting center injured badly?

You can’t just say Kolb is going to be as good as McNabb is. I can’t come in and say he isn’t. To say someone’s an idiot because he has reservations on a QB asinine. As for comparisons to rodgers, it’s more of something like despite all his stats, he was very bad in close games.

Sidenote, it’s things like this that make me wish football season was here already so we can decide these questions.

Against all odds, against all circumstance were you don't have a shot, you succeed
-Michael Strahan
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Same as above

by Willgfass on May 26, 2010 5:13 PM EDT reply actions  

MLB your only hole?

hahahahaha. OK where to start… How good was your D-line last year? Did you do anythin got upgrade? No? Who’s playing SAM? Clint WHO!?!?!?! Your secondary? got torched by everybody — even Webster. Terrel Thomas was your best player on your whole D.

Formidable RBs.. Did you forget BWest already? You k now, the guy that ran past your slow line backers twice a year?

Besides your 07 season you’ve never won a playoff game…

E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!

by Joe_D on May 26, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not just that

But Kenny Philips probably won’t be healthy this year. Realistically, he won’t play 16 games. Maybe 14 if you’re lucky, but that doesnt look too great either.

by HankM on May 26, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah you've never won a playoff game either

I don’t play professional football.

DLine: Injuries to everyone. Tuck was maaybe 75% after the Dallas game. Osi’s problem takes more than a year to heal from.
DTs: Cofield, Linval Joseph (from the draft, so that would be an upgrade), Alford, Bernard and Canty coming back from injury. So pretty much a 4 player upgrade right there.

Secondary: I will be the first in line to tell you CC Brown sucked, as did Michael Johnson and Rouse. Antrel Rolle, overpaid or not, is a huge upgrade, you can’t deny that. Phillips will hopefully be healthy, if not, there’s Deon Grant who is better just by not being CC Brown, and a rookie DB.
Webster was injured for some of the year…. TT was our best player last year, this is a new year. Ross might actually be healthy which would give us a solid at minimum CB depth.
Linebackers: Sinitm I said would be solid. Never said he’d be a star, but good. MLB is a crapshot. And WLB Boley was GREAT when healthy.

Last time I checked Brian Westbrook isn’t on the team anymore…

Against all odds, against all circumstance were you don't have a shot, you succeed
-Michael Strahan
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Same as above

by Willgfass on May 26, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Eagles had a ton of injuries too

So are you saying the Eagles defense will be studly next year?

E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!

by Joe_D on May 26, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Eagles had a competant defensive coordinator

to cope with the injuries. Also, Trent Cole is the best player on your D, and he was healthy last year.

by FreeBradshaw on May 26, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually McDermott was a 1st time DC...

so we didnt know he could cope with that shit. I’m truly excited to see what he can do with a healthy D.

T. Cole was a big reason why we didnt suck.

thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro

"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb

by wild_eagle on May 26, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

There were definitely times that the Eagles D sucked last year.

…along with the O. Can anyone remember Dallas? Or Dallas? Or maybe Dallas? OK, the team was competitive during the first game, but the last two were just sad. Back in the 70’s the Eagles had to play D when it seemed likethe D had just one great player, Bill Bergey. They didn’t spend a lot of time playing in the post-season. We had some good players on D last year, just not like a typical Eagles D due to the injuries. McDermott did a lot considering his challenges.

by IggleGreen on May 26, 2010 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

McDermott did a shit ton considering his

challenges

thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro

"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb

by wild_eagle on May 26, 2010 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

They had a first year DC

yea he learned from one of the best ever, but he was a rookie dc

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by RiotJuice on May 26, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep.. JJ couldnt have taught McDermott what to do

when your entire Defense is either on IR or playing injured.

Have to admit McDermott has some real talent at coaching, or atleast it appears that way… His big test will be what he does with this young blood and the young blood coming in during the next 2-3 years…

McDermott was JJ’s prized jewel and I saw why last year.

thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro

"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb

by wild_eagle on May 27, 2010 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

McDermott >Sheridan

and its not even close. The Eagles from what I saw at least played together, injuries just caught up with the D and they wore down.

For the Giants, not only did injuries catch up (probably earlier then they did for Philly) but they tuned their DC out and were all playing on their own. In the NFL…it doesn’t work like this. This is how you start giving up 40 pts a game.

sadah tah

by FreeBradshaw on May 27, 2010 6:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

We lost Bradley in TC.. i think the injury bug hit us first lol.

thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro

"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb

by wild_eagle on May 27, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

so?

you have semi decent backups at MLB who’ve played before. The Giants not only had Antonio Pierce who’s been shot since 2008, but they had Goff who hadn’t played at all yet.

sadah tah

by FreeBradshaw on May 27, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe semi-decent in the eyes of a giants fan. sure didn’t feel semi-decent.

"Don't Give Up... Don't Ever Give Up!" - Jim Valvano
(unless it's terminal)

by Bleediots on May 27, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really???

Gaither went down like 3 weeks later.
Mays is terrible, he’s like 5 foot 9 and 200lb solid lol
Witherspoon ended up being moved to WILL LB.
Trotter is old and sucks ass.
Jordan played MLB towards the end and played completely out of position…
Gocong played MLB for a game or two… Not that solid..

Fact is we didnt have shit behind Bradley.

thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro

"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb

by wild_eagle on May 27, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

no worse or better then the Giants

point being, MLB (Bradley) was not the reason your team (or the Giants..or really any 4-3 team) is going to be great or suck.

Your DC prevented the team D from disbanding. The Giants disbanded probably halfway through the season.

sadah tah

by FreeBradshaw on May 27, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doesnt sound like that's our fault...

I’m just saying we went through 6 or 7 different MLB’s.

thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro

"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb

by wild_eagle on May 27, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe

I don’t know the intricacies of the Eagles team as well as the GIants, but I’d lean to no.
The secondaries a mess. Outside of Samuels, no one in your secondary would start or even challenge on the Giants secondary.
Front 4 should be fine, but that wasn’t a huge problem last year as FreeBrad said, Trent Cole, the Eagle’s best defensive player, wasn’t injured.

I also never said our defense would be studly, just better.
Should we accept everything else I said as fact or likely since you didn’t challenge it?

Against all odds, against all circumstance were you don't have a shot, you succeed
-Michael Strahan
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Same as above

by Willgfass on May 26, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know the intricacies of the Eagles team

you said it yourself… Q would easily start on the Giants (and most NFL teams for that matter)

VOID!!!

by dt3 on May 26, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't get your point

From what I know, which is mostly reading this blog, Mikell (that’s who you’re talking about, right?) is average to above average who can’t stay healthy. (maybe i’m mixing him with people)
Still, no way he starts over Rolle and Phillips.

Against all odds, against all circumstance were you don't have a shot, you succeed
-Michael Strahan
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Same as above

by Willgfass on May 26, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

he was all pro two years ago

had a down year last year… all pro isn’t “average.”

E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!

by Joe_D on May 26, 2010 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rolle and Q is debatable but since Antrell is solely a FS and Mikell would be playing SS in most systems it makes it pointless.

Phillips on the other hand… not even close. Im a huge fan of anyone coming out of Miami but what has Phillips done to gain all this love?? We are talking about a guy with 5 career starts here. Sure the guy has potential but until that potential is realized (and he finds a way to stay on the field) he would be watching from the sidelines.

VOID!!!

by dt3 on May 26, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Q doesn’t have a lot of injury problems. I think you may be mixing him up with someone else. Last year he was average, the year before that he was all pro. If he had a down year because of all the injuries on D last year and he returns to 2008 form, then great! If not, then we still have a very solid starter.

by AZ Eagle on May 26, 2010 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok

probably was off on that. Still, Hobbs and whoever’s the FS from May aren’t inspiring terror.

Against all odds, against all circumstance were you don't have a shot, you succeed
-Michael Strahan
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Same as above

by Willgfass on May 26, 2010 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

no one said they were… Im not a big fan of the strategy but I believe they are taking a page from your guys book and going with the strong pass rush covering the deficiencies of a questionable secondary philosophy.

VOID!!!

by dt3 on May 27, 2010 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yea it got away from my original argument.

Legitimate question, how are your Defensive Tackles?

Against all odds, against all circumstance were you don't have a shot, you succeed
-Michael Strahan
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Same as above

by Willgfass on May 27, 2010 8:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Our DT's are very good

in what they are asked to do. They won’t rack up a lot of sack numbers, but they are asked to play a 2-gap system where they hesitate for a second to see where the play is going and then pick which gap to attack. They are stout against the run, and hold the point of attack which allows our LB’s to make plays.

On passing downs we switch up our DT’s for one who are fresh and can just get after the QB. Should be much more improved this year with our acquisitions.

by Team Serbia on May 27, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds a lot

like we were trying to do.

Against all odds, against all circumstance were you don't have a shot, you succeed
-Michael Strahan
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Same as above

by Willgfass on May 27, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

From what I know, which is mostly reading this blog, Mikell (that’s who you’re talking about, right?) is average to above average who can’t stay healthy. (maybe i’m mixing him with people)

Wow, some great football knowledge ya got there! You don’t even know about your rival’s starters. Quintin Mikell was signed as an undrafted FA in 2003 and is now a top 5 SS in the NFL. He played in 108 out of 112 possible games in his 7 year career, which includes five 16 games seasons and two 14 gamers. So there goes your “can’t stay healthy” assessment. He just recently became the starter 3 years ago after the departure of then SS, Michael Lewis(who you probably don’t know either but he is still a solid SS for the Niners).

He was named 2nd-team All-Pro after the 08 season and he made the pro-bowl as an alternate last year. I don’t think you could get those accolades if you’re “average”. A lot of people think that Q had a “down” year last year but he really didn’t. He took on more responsibilities due to the lack of a competent FS and had to make up for their garbage play. The only knock I have of him from last year were his case of butterfingers. He dropped 3-4 easy interceptions, that instead went towards the “passes defended” category which he was second among all safeties last year with 13.

If you want to compare Safeties’ numbers, you can see them here. Their rankings are a bit off but the numbers don’t lie. Do me a favor, click on the 08 season and tell me who they have at No.1. His official stats can be seen here at NFL.COM.

So, is he better than Rolle? Yes(even if they are different positions). Is he better than an unproven Phillips? Yes.

Jim Johnson(RIP). Brian Westbrook(36). Donovan Mcnabb(5). Brian Dawkins(20). Sheldon Brown(24). Jeremiah Trotter(54).

Thanks for the memories...

by Route36 on May 27, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

i hadnt seen that football focus link yet. good stuff. did not realize how much of a monster he was in 2008. Q is definitely underrated.

by Stuk on May 27, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you're following the line of thought

I retract most of my statement.

He wouldn’t start over Rolle, that I wouldn’t agree about with you.
Obviously this is conjecture, but maybe Dawkins is what made him how good he was? I don’t know…

Still, who’s the other safety? Who’s your other cornerback? Is Samuels still above average? Way to focus on only one of my points…

Against all odds, against all circumstance were you don't have a shot, you succeed
-Michael Strahan
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Same as above

by Willgfass on May 27, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also...

PFF is flawed. Nice to look at, but not the end all be all…

Against all odds, against all circumstance were you don't have a shot, you succeed
-Michael Strahan
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Same as above

by Willgfass on May 27, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

Q Mikell just isn’t doing it for me bird fans. sorry.

by wilddre22 on May 27, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

wasn't he 2nd team All-Pro anyway?

that’s good..but there’s a difference.

sadah tah

by FreeBradshaw on May 27, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

I admitted I was wrong…

But that was one point I sort of retract. I still stand with the rest of them.

Against all odds, against all circumstance were you don't have a shot, you succeed
-Michael Strahan
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Same as above

by Willgfass on May 28, 2010 7:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Joe...

you really remind me of the dude in your picture. Just cuz YOU don’t know who’s on the Giants..doesn’t mean they suck.

Upgrade what? The only thing the Giants could’ve done is upgrade their training staff.

by FreeBradshaw on May 26, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I could name the whole team almost

And no, they gave up 40 pt games like it was their job last year. That defense was EMBARASSING.. Signing Rolle isn’t going to fix that mess. They went what?2-8 their last 10 games? OH yeah, tier 2 all the way

E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!

by Joe_D on May 26, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

we'll see about that...

highly doubt last year was a sign of things to come. There’s plenty more changes then just Rolle…….

by FreeBradshaw on May 26, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think rolle will help.....

but the guy is a shoddy tackler. kind of like asante but a safety.

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by snowhill82 on May 26, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

The mere fact

that he isn’t CC Brown means he’s worth every penny.
It’s a huge upgrade, even if he’s never Reed.

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-Michael Strahan
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Same as above

by Willgfass on May 26, 2010 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

we were 30th out of 32 teams in points scored against

you don’t think we’ll be better than that? hell, even if we jump up 10 spots to 20th, we have a bonafide scary offense, and we managed a .500 record with our bullshit D. imagine if we get even a LITTLE better….

by wilddre22 on May 27, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Holes on the Giants D...

MLB, Safety if Phillips cant come back healthy (despite some of the other Bird fans I agree this guy is a monster… Kenny Phillips is the truth), CB (as much as people talk up Webster he got exposed last year, w/o a good safety over top aka Kenny Phillips he should he was an average starter at best, DT Who starts here Canty? He showed up against Dallas but then disappeared the rest of the year. Tuck, Osi, Kiwi are all monsters. Jean-Pierre might have supernatural raw talent so the Giants, as always should be set at DE. MLB, CB, DT, and Safety if Kenny Phillips doesnt come back strong seem like huge questions to me.

by IgglesFanDeployd on May 28, 2010 4:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

CB is fine.

Webster got exposed cuz he was playing zone, something he doesn’t do well. And also cuz the DL didn’t get any pass rush.

DT is fine. Cofield was coming off microfracture surgery last year. Canty had a ruptured artery in his calf that kept him limited all year…he couldn’t transition from the 3-4 to the 4-3 without practice. Jay Alford is good depth, and he was on IR. Linval Joseph is also a Fred Robbins type player.

Deon Grant is a veteran presence at S..him and Rolle, that they didn’t have at all last year. Kenny Phillips should only be expected to backup anyway. Whatever he does on the field is a plus.

As for MLB, if the other 10 guys are doing their job, he’ll be fine whoever it is. They needed a vocal leader to replace Pierce..not a MLB to replace his position. Roll and Grant will do that, and Fewell is a loudmouth too.

sadah tah

by FreeBradshaw on May 28, 2010 7:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

**I hope Linval Joseph is a Fred Robbins type player.

Robbins’ downfall was the real reason the Giants D hasn’t been good since the end of 2008. He was the real MVP along the DL, the anchor. He needed microfracture surgery too, but really isn’t the sort of age that comes back from that.

sadah tah

by FreeBradshaw on May 28, 2010 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Formidable RBs.. Did you forget BWest already?

wow

VOID!!!

by dt3 on May 26, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

More silly bullshit

I mean, I don’t think we’re realistically superbowl bound this year anyway… but we’re really not that much worse than, say, the Bengals. I don’t see how we’re alongside the Cards (who lost ALL their talent) in tier three. Clearly we deserve a tier two spot.

by HankM on May 26, 2010 5:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Dallas?

I can’t find Dallas on there.

by RunyanRemembered on May 26, 2010 5:24 PM EDT reply actions  

sorry! Tier one.

Dammit.

by RunyanRemembered on May 26, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we all know DallASS will implode.

At least I certainly hope they will and Jerry Jones destroys that team again.

I hope I am wrong, but Kolb is a four-letter word.

by Cowboy KILLER on May 31, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, they wont implode, I think Roy will be a cancer but they can shut him up by not allowing him

to play.

thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro

"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb

by wild_eagle on Jun 1, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

why does anyone care what Pat Kirwan says anyways?? I mean who the FUCK is Pat Kirwan?? The only time I ever see his name is when someone is pointing out something completely ridiculous he has said/written.

I am almost convinced now that there is a small group of writers that entire career is based around being stupid and/or out of touch. Blogs then distribute the garbage he passes off as writing and everyone clicks it just to see what else stupid he has said. At the end of the day site editors see the guy has gotten a ton of page hits and dont care why but see results and in turn keep them on staff.

VOID!!!

by dt3 on May 26, 2010 6:17 PM EDT reply actions  

This list is bullshit...but not for the reasons you all think.

He does the classic analyst move of praising everyone, finding nuggets of positivity for each team, and cloaking criticism of teams in layers of qualifiers. The Eagles are a Tier 3 team, if not Tier 4. Kolb is a pick machine and this is a 6-10, 7-9 team as presently constituted. Maybe if they trade a #2 and a #3 to Washington for All-Pro QB Donovan McNabb, there will be a shot at an NFC Title, but not with Sir-Picks-A-Lot at the helm.

And the Raiders, Rams and Bucs are COMPLETE dogshit. Any analyst who has anything positive to say about the realm of shit those asswipe organizations occupy is a goddamn liar at best.

...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.

Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer

by EvilBanner on May 26, 2010 6:53 PM EDT reply actions  

My favorite was-

“Cleveland Browns — If Jake Delhomme has something left, then Cleveland is a solid Tier-4 team. "

YAAAAYYY!!! What I wouldn’t give to be a solid pile of dog sh!t team instead of a runny disgusting one!

Semper Fi Do or Die

by Jeremiah_24 on May 26, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

Looking Mean in Kelly Green

by goodfella46er on May 27, 2010 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

you are my favorite character on this site.

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(unless it's terminal)

by Bleediots on May 27, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think this prediction is completely fair at the moment,

Kolbs only had 2 starts, he shows a ton of promise and well I think he’ll be great.

McCoy is replacing Westbrook, that’s still viewed as a step down by many around the NFL circles.

Our OL may be shit, Jamaal Jackson’s injury means N. Cole’s our Center, which he may be better than the 2 cowboys games but chances are he may not be and we have Stacy starting at RG, and the only tested depth is MJG who’s been pussified…

Our entire defense is still getting healthy, Bradley’s coming back from his ACL, we finally found a stud WLB..

We dont have a clear cut RCB, I’m sorry but Hobbs, Hanson, Harris or even Lindley dont make me too giddy at the moment, hope is that Marlin can play here(for me at least)..

We still have the problem of filling Dawk’s void at FS.. Although I can see Nate Allen stepping into that role and fondling it.(fondling it= do very well).

Our SAM LB is Fokou who gets more penalties than tackles…

I think if Kolb produces, our OL gels, we find a good RCB and a good FS, and Fokou just plays solid we definantly deserve to be Tier 2 or maybe even tier 1.. But until our voids are filled and we gel as a new, young, improved team then we get what we get.

thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro

"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb

by wild_eagle on May 26, 2010 7:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Maybe it makes sense at the moment,

but if you look at his rankings of other teams it’s bogus. Eagles aren’t tier 3 no matter how much I hate to say it. Kolb isn’t awful and no one has tape on him so that’ll help to start. I don’t see him wrecking a team that much.

Semper Fi Do or Die

by Jeremiah_24 on May 26, 2010 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

My thing is

I don’t have any problem with being labeled Tier 3, but I do take issue with some of the company there.

Washington? Pittsburgh? Maybe people think otherwise, but I don’t think they’re on the same level as any of the other 4 teams there.

nyuk nyuk nyuk

by alcatraz0109 on May 26, 2010 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dont mind being label tier 3 at the moment

because when we go on the rise this author can eat his words.

thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro

"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb

by wild_eagle on May 26, 2010 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Um Kansas City he wrecked...

thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro

"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb

by wild_eagle on May 26, 2010 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know but he said Kolb wont wreck teams...

He wrecked KC and w/o those INT"s he wrecked the Saints…

Kolb makes us better in the long run and maybe even as soon as next season… Our defense will most likely carry us for the first 4-5 games, then Kolb and the Offense will gel and then come week 13 or 14 we start unleashing the beast upon some fools.

thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro

"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb

by wild_eagle on May 27, 2010 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

w/o those ints

Rex Grossman wrecked the Colts without the ints.

Anyway I think he meant Kolb won’t wreck the Eagles. He was supporting Kolb.

GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!

by tanman5 on May 27, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh well ok then.

thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro

"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb

by wild_eagle on May 27, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

See I agree with you

Realistic way of looking at it.

Saying that, everything we’re saying is going to be ~ 85% wrong

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-Michael Strahan
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Same as above

by Willgfass on May 26, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

but wrong

never felt so right….

i dunno what that means i just like saying it.

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by RiotJuice on May 27, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Frankly I got to agree with the NFL writer.

We’re not a sure shot for anything at the moment, I like what we did in the offseason (including dumping McNabb) but we’re still going to ride a talented but inexperienced QB, plus we’re very suspect at the cornerback position.

Middle of the pack with upside if everything goes the right way seems pretty on the money to me.

by FireTheWalrus on May 26, 2010 7:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Let's not forget

We beat the giants 4 times in a row too. McNabb isn’t the only reason why we’ve accomplished that feat.

E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!

by Joe_D on May 26, 2010 7:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Yup

Sheldon Brown and Brian Dawkins were part of it too

OUr secondary will have its hands full with Steve Smith, Hakeem Nicks, and Manningham

GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!

by tanman5 on May 27, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

we might have our hands full

but they dont scare me at all. I think it’s kind of like how we don’t scare the cowboys at all, regardless of what we’re doing

"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)

by jalarsen1 on May 28, 2010 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

It makes some sense

I think we’re a borderline tier 2 – tier 3 team.

What doesn’t make sense is Washington being in the same tier. They’re either 3 and we’re 2, or we’re 2 and they’re 4. Come on, the only two guys they got who were tremendous improvements were Trent Williams and McNabb, and even that’s questionable.

nyuk nyuk nyuk

by alcatraz0109 on May 26, 2010 9:00 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m not gonna complain about this at all. First of all, what some hack sports writer doesn’t matter. That article could be written by Jesus Christ himself but it doesn’t matter until teams start playing. Secondly, if we are a third tier team, we have to accept it. No matter what we think here, we did lose a Pro Bowl QB, and we have to accept that we may not make the playoffs this year.

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by DeSean10 on May 26, 2010 9:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Well..

If Jesus wrote it he’d already know who would win the superbowl so i think that list would be accurate..

This one i don’t know nor do i care don’t pay attention to this stuff until the season starts and is half way done..

I do think the Eagles are bettere than what people think BUT not as good as you guys think.

by Texas BBQ on May 26, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Eagles are just as good

if not better than every one of those tier 2 teams. Although i do think the Jets have a good chance of being nasssty, but that would put them in tier 1.

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by RiotJuice on May 26, 2010 10:18 PM EDT reply actions  

The Jets ego is going to be their downfall...

I would love to see them actually make it to the SB due to all the suckyness they’ve had over the past few years but to be honest they talk way to much and Karma’s a bitch.

thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro

"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb

by wild_eagle on May 27, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nah, their Ego's to big..

thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro

"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb

by wild_eagle on May 27, 2010 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno about how big their ego is

i just know that their defense is downright scary. Probably will be best in the league this year

"Although I may not agree with what you're saying, I'll fight to the death for your right to say it. Good day, sir." Pete Griffin

by RiotJuice on May 27, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Their Defense is fucking monsterous... However they

will have weakness’s and I dont see that unit holding together for more than 2 years really…

thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro

"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb

by wild_eagle on May 27, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Their only downfall is Marc Shanchez

even if he is an average qb, i see them as #1 or #2 in the AFC, their defense is just too stout for anyone, especially since their cbs are good, revis, wilson, cromartie. 4-5 wr sets can’t even get the job done against them

by Desean Da Man on May 27, 2010 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cromarte isnt that good...

However I think their ego’s already getting to them.

thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro

"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb

by wild_eagle on May 27, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think if anything will be the problem for them

It will be their general manager, who they live and die by.
Tannenbaum has made some good deals for them and Ryan is a very competent coach, but the problem is that Tannenbaum is too much of a dollars and cents guy who thinks players are practically interchangeable. While I would like for them to do very well and think they’ve made some good moves this offseason, I think that there are 2 mistakes that could eventually bite them in the backside:
1) being too ready to get rid of established players who are still solid on the off-chance they might be in decline or for money reasons
2) not drafting enough for depth and instead constantly trading up for specific players.
However, since I do like them, I hope things work out instead.

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by Rabbit T on May 27, 2010 5:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think

That’s why he has them at the top of tier 3

GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!

by tanman5 on May 27, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Crap man

Please let the season come quick.

by greenage on May 26, 2010 11:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Donovan McNabb's first 16 game stats

Yr Gms Gms/Std Atts Comps Completion % Yards Yards/Attempt Tds ints Rating
99 12 6 216 106 49.1 948 4.9 8 7 60.1
00 16 16 569 330 58.0 3,365 5.91 21 13 77.8

If Kolb has a year like D.McNabb’s 2000 season or better will he be given props? Or will he be considered a wash? Is 13 ints to much?

I seriouls hope he has a year close the the last year in college. 30 tds and only 4 int’s. He’s in the bigs now and has to bring it home. Then everybody will be saying “Donovan who???”

Phillies in the World Series, Flyers in the Stanley Cup, now all we need is the Philadelphia Eagles in the Superbowl. Miami 2011...

by STRAIGHTOYOURFACE on May 27, 2010 12:26 AM EDT reply actions  

and thats

STRAIGHT TO YOUR FACE!

Where one era ends, another begins

by BadCo'09 on May 27, 2010 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Similar to 2000 is whatI expect

A few more TD’s and a few more picks, maybe something like 24-15.

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by Rabbit T on May 27, 2010 5:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ok, lets help the writer out a little bit. If you do not agree,

make your case for why the Eagles are tier 2 or even tier 1. I personally don’t have a problem calling a team full of rookies and unknowns, tier 3. Everybody needs to settle down and let these young guys prove themselves. Get your 2010 Eagles joy out of seeing the young guys mature and watching at least one of the late round guys become the steal on this year’s draft. Realistically, we are a year or 2 away from getting back to the playoffs. That’s as “tier 3” as you can get. But give me your argument.

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by Lombardi and Broad on May 27, 2010 6:05 AM EDT reply actions  

i don't think at all

that we’re realistically a year or two away from getting back to the playoffs…

Could we be? Sure…any given season.

BUT, I’m certainly not realistically expecting to miss the playoffs. I think our offense will be very good! I think the gameplan will fit to Kolb’s strengths, and that he’s not going to be nearly as big a question mark as everyone is acting like he will be. Just because he isn’t known to league-wide fans, he’s known to the coaches and players, and they’re pretty adamant that he’s the real deal. We will put up points with the best of them this year, and I think we’ll do it on a more consistent basis.

Our defense is the hinge. If the young guys, and injured guys come ready to play, and we realize the upside, we’ll absolutely make the playoffs. If they don’t, we’ll miss the playoffs.

Kolb is not a question mark compared to the defense.

"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)

by jalarsen1 on May 28, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't have a problem with it

It has us at 13th, a fringe playoff team (12 teams make the playoffs). A “Pro Bowl” defense is really pushing it, Joe. We lost Sheldon Brown and are counting on rookies to make big contributions in the secondary. I don’t like the idea of facing the Giants or Cowboys receivers. I could see us going 0-4 against those two teams.

The pass rush should be better, but how much? Even studs like Mario Williams take a while to adjust. Is it really reasonable to expect 10 sacks from Graham this year? The rotation with Tapp should be good, but it’s not gonna make up for a porous secondary.
8-8 to 10-6 and being in the hunt all season for a playoff spot (and maybe getting it) seems about right to me

GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!

by tanman5 on May 27, 2010 10:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Agreed

JoeD is being over the top. This is a team that is coming off a season where they won 11 games but got bounced in the wildcard. Many a ton of moves this offseason with a ton of new faces on both sides of the ball. Basically a team that is probably the 12th-15th best team in the league. That puts them in the ‘3rd-tier’ if there are only 2-3 teams in the 1st tier & maybe 5-6 more in the 2nd tier.

Articles like this though are just column fillers. Nothing more.

by MG77 on May 27, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

REALLY!?!?!?

you think it’s realistic to assume we’ll lose both Giants games? We’ve beaten them 5 times in a row! Granted, we’re a different team this year, but their receivers are good, not great. I think they’ll have a harder time covering our guys than we will covering theirs.

Hobbs was a starting CB for a SB team, and he’s still young…if he wins the spot, fine, if he doesn’t it means we have someone better (which I’d love), but I don’t think we’re sunk already.

The Cowboys are a different story. Their strengths really match up well against our weaknesses. For us to beat them, our pass rush will have to be better than their O-Line, and that’s really the only area where I think we’ve gotten better where they’ve gotten worse

"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)

by jalarsen1 on May 28, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hobbs was a starting CB for a SB team,

lol

sadah tah

by FreeBradshaw on May 28, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm thinking

Eli owned the Patriots with their starters as Samuels and Hobbs.

I’m sort of hoping the Eagles start them vs us.

Against all odds, against all circumstance were you don't have a shot, you succeed
-Michael Strahan
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Same as above

by Willgfass on May 28, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah but you don’t have anybody near as good as Plaxico this time around.

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by Talon Talent on May 28, 2010 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

ROFLMAO

Sorry, but that’s all I can say.

Against all odds, against all circumstance were you don't have a shot, you succeed
-Michael Strahan
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Same as above

by Willgfass on May 28, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL!

Sa da tey? OH, cole me down on the panny sty!

by FreeBradshaw on May 28, 2010 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you think Steve Smith is a bigger problem for defenses than Plax was, then I don’t know what to say.

Smith gets his plays because he is a dependable route-runner and receiver (a la Avant, only more souped up). But Plax had the potential to be a gigantic nightmare for secondaries without big bodies to match up (ours especially so), and I think he usually averaged 100+ and a TD against us.

If dependability is what you’re trying to argue, then fine, SS wins that argument. But I don’t see where Smith can take over a game more than Plax could.

nyuk nyuk nyuk

by alcatraz0109 on May 29, 2010 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

have to agree here with Alcatraz

thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro

"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb

by wild_eagle on May 29, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

this isn't about Plax vs. Steve Smith.

This is about Ellis Hobbs being a POS CB.

Plax in theory was the greatest, Vitruvian man WR in the history of the NFL (at least according to those that believe Eli throws 15ft in every direction and Plax catches it)

Of course I’d take a healthy, sane Plaxico that practiced with Eli every week. But he doesn’t exist.

And also of course Eagles fans overrate Plax to unfathomable degrees cuz he destroyed them so much, which I guess is understandable. But Plax was not nearly as good for the team, as he was in theory.

In 2008 the guy was strictly a decoy and its in not a single way a coincidence that Eli had his best year without him.

Sa da tey? OH, cole me down on the panny sty!

by FreeBradshaw on May 29, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

without Plax you have no Superbowl victory. You have no run to the superbowl. You say we overrate him, don’t sit here and now that the dumbass got himself locked up try to blow him off like he was just another cog in your system. Just another piece that is completely replaceable. That’s not how you guys talked when he was putting up 1000 yard seasons for you. Did Eli have his best season without Plax? Yeah. Could that be because your run game wasn’t up to the task like other years? Eli had to pass more because your defense sucked so much you were always in a hole? Those sound like more plausible explanations for Eli’s year then the fact that he didn’t have Plax.

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by Talon Talent on May 30, 2010 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

See

there it is.

Plax was great. He won a few games for the Giants he took over so much, like the Green Bay game.

Did they get a SB win cuz of him?…………..

Sa da tey? OH, cole me down on the panny sty!

by FreeBradshaw on May 30, 2010 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wait...

I thought our defense scored all 17 points in the superbowl!
Isn’t that the typical Eli hater retort?

Against all odds, against all circumstance were you don't have a shot, you succeed
-Michael Strahan
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Same as above

by Willgfass on May 30, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

yea I'm surprised...

usually it was the running game “carried them” or the defense was the only reason they did anything.

And Plax was largely an afterthought in the SuperBowl..thanx to him falling in the shower of course (hope he forgot how to do that now…).

Aside of course, from torching Hobbs…who still stinks.

Sa da tey? OH, cole me down on the panny sty!

by FreeBradshaw on May 30, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is the same argument

we have about TO.

We go to the SB the year we have TO, but he wasn’t there for a single playoff game. But he took over so many games during the season that you have to think we wouldn’t have had a 1st round bye without him…

So did we get to the SB because of TO…yes and no. Same story with you guys (except you actually won it)

"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)

by jalarsen1 on May 31, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

plax always had great games against us...

so it’s easy for us to overrate him.

thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro

"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb

by wild_eagle on May 30, 2010 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dallas is a tier 1 my ass

Yea ok , there a tier2 at best . But half way threw the season when all those old men they have on there Oline are dying they will be knocked down to a tier 3 at best.

by greenage on May 27, 2010 2:09 PM EDT reply actions  

They beat us 3 times last year.. And won their first playoff game in 15 or so years...

I think they are a low end tier one.

thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro

"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb

by wild_eagle on May 27, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

AAHHHHHH ok

wild_eagle
I ’ll give you the Low end tier one thing.
Like you said they beat us 3 times last year. But im not sure if we were healthy last year we didnt at least take one of those games.

by greenage on May 27, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we were healthy we wouldve taken 1 or 2 of them.. Most likely

the First one…

thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro

"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb

by wild_eagle on May 27, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

the last two games

we were owned SO completely, in every phase of the game, i don’t think you can create a scenario where we win either of those. I put those losses on coaching, because we were NOT prepared. We ran essentially the same game plan in the playoffs that we ran week 17, and we didn’t fool anybody.

With all of our injuries, we weren’t going to win the physical or skill battle…so we should have tried to win by catching them off guard and running a completely different game plan with the hope that they were not defensively prepared

"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)

by jalarsen1 on May 28, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Chargers as tier one?

I guess a division like that can make anyone look good.

I’ll miss McNabb, but here’s hoping Kolb works out for you, and you guys can stomp them dullass cowgirls.

Who dat, from a cajun exiled to cowboy country.

by alcoholic_insight on May 27, 2010 5:42 PM EDT reply actions  

I actually agree with the NFL Writer sort of

For one, I do agree that Kevin is going to have some growing pains. Its going to be his first full year as a starter so I would expect some struggle. And to mention the comparison that the Packers defense that year Rodgers first started sucked…..that’s a pretty fair comparison to ours. Not that ours sucks, but we have a lot of questions regarding ours. I love Ernie Sims (one of my favorite NFL players period) but he’s got a new scheme to learn and is moving to the hardest division in football. Personally, I think he’ll lead the team in tackles, but whether he grasps the schemes quick enough is anybody’s guess. So we have questions at WLB, our MLB is coming off an ACL tear, our SAM is making his first full 16 game start (maybe), we have a hole at RCB, we don’t know who the FS is yet, we got pretty much a completely new rotation at DE, and apparently we are incorporating some 3-4 schemes for the first time. I think this team will be a force for years to come, but I don’t have high expectations for next year. If we do awesome. But if we don’t, 2011-12 Superbowl were up next.

by macjack09 on May 27, 2010 7:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Jack ass III

Dude’s a know it all, know nothing ass hole with his own opinion based on what he thinks he knows. Sad part is that he’s probably getting paid for it. (lmao)

by greenbeef69 on May 27, 2010 11:02 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree on the Eagles being tier 3 (albeit a top tier 3)

But as a Giants fan I am confused as to why they are in tier 2. Yes, it would be bloody hard to have that many injuries again and buy out of the defensive system, but they have not shown anything that would make them hop up above the Eagles. Eagles went 11-5 and turned over a lot of the roster, the Giants went 8-8, signing a few people and cutting some washed up or just useless dead weight… neither is a proven commodity at this point, so tier 3 makes sense for both.

by brisulph on May 28, 2010 8:05 AM EDT reply actions  

We have questions at defense in a starting MLB coming off major surgery, a new SAM and possibly a new WILL. We have a new RCB that has yet to be named, a new FS possibly a rookie.

We have questions in a young first year QB with injuries to our starting center and an oft injured Oline that we limped through last year with. We have a young core of playmakers at both starting wideout spots and rb.

Honestly I don’t disagree with us being a tier 3 team right now. Do I think we are better than that sure but we haven’t earned anything with this team right now and it’s much more than just losing our starting QB. This is a drastically different team then last year.

They call me The Professor.

by Whodie126 on May 28, 2010 2:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Right Now...

I agree with a tier 3 ranking but with a up arrow. By the end of the season I’m thinking tier 2.

I'm not drunk I'm just drinking.

by no1pipelayer on May 28, 2010 4:22 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't really care how other people rank our team

but Tier 3 is fair.

-Our MLB just came back from a torn ACL
-We are starting with a new QB
-Our RG didn’t play well last year
-Our C tore his ACL in December
-We have no clear cut starter at C
-We don’t have a RCB
-We have no idea who our FS is
- Our SAM is 228 lbs
-We can’t cover TE’s
-We can’t defend slant routes
-We get faked on screens
-Our QB can’t throw 50+ yards

by rajav on May 30, 2010 12:45 AM EDT reply actions  

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