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I apologize for the lateness, I'm going to make it up by  writing another fanpost this week.

The Merry-Go-Round Effect

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via utahproathletes.com

The last time I heard the name Reno Mahe it was after the Eagles' 2007 salary cap had been released to the public through the NFL.  The Eagles were able to take advantage of loopholes in the NFL's salary cap structure and carried over $4 million into the 2008 season through Mahe.  Mahe was given a "Likely to be Earned" bonus of the previously mentioned $4 million in his contract - he didn't earn it.  After the 2007 season, Mahe didn't return to the Eagles and his status as the team's starting punt and kick returner ended.  

Prior to Mahe's stint as a kick returner for the team in 2007, the Eagles had used five different starters at the kick return position after 2000.  Since 2000, the Eagles have used 8 different starters at kick returner. Those former kick returners were Brian Mitchell, James Thrash, J.R. Reed, Roderick Hood, Reno Mahe, Correll Buckhalter, Quintin Demps and Ellis Hobbs.  Of that list, only one returner started for more than a year - Mitchell - and he was also the only returner to have started consecutive years.  

From 2000-2002, Mitchell continued his long time success as a kick returner.  He had three straight years of 1,000 plus kick return yards and recorded 2 touchdowns in the same stretch.  Mitchell was named as the second best kick returner of all time by NFL Films and the Eagles were lucky to obtain his services for the three years they had them on the roster.  But for the Eagles, he was the last case of sustained success at the kick return position.

After Mitchell moved onto the New York Giants, and eventually retired, the Eagles seemed to lose the ability to either retain a returner or have a proper starter on roster.  The Eagles entrusted the leading role to James Thrash come 2003 and promptly removed him from the role after drafting safety J.R. Reed in 2004.  Reed tore ligaments after trying to jump over a fence during the offseason and his role was handed to Roderick Hood, who the Eagles signed as an undrafted free agent that offseason.  Hood lost the job to Reno Mahe, who became the first Eagles player since Mitchell to double as both the punt and kick returner for the team.  Mahe gave forth to Correll Buckhalter.  Buckhalter.  Buckhalter shared most of the time with Reed, who returned to the Eagles to return 31 kicks in 2007.  In 2008, Quintin Demps was drafted and obtained the status as starting kick returner.  However, the signing of free agent Ellis Hobbs removed Demps from the starting role.  Even after Hobbs went down for the season with a neck injury, Demps was not able to retake his starting role because of his own injuries.  

That long cast of characters leads me to the following conclusions:

(1) Other than established returners, Reid has had little success in cultivating a long time successful kick returner.  The question is, will new Special Teams Coordinator Bobby April be able to find a gem?  Or will he have enough impact to continue the carousel?

(2) Injuries limited the ability of a couple of the returners on the list.  J.R. Reed had an above average return season in 2004, but injuries kept him from playing in 2005.  His ability to return the ball led Reid to being him back to the team in 2007.  Buckhalter's knees were always a concern to the Eagles and Quintin Demps was not able to retain his starting role, in 2009, due to injuries.

(3) Hobbs is not likely to (a) return most of next year's kicks and (b) put up the same kind of numbers in 2010.  It hasn't happened since Mitchell, and Hobbs is coming off a season ending neck injury.  

(4) Demps should be considered for the starting role.  His numbers are gaudy compared to all of his competitors currently on the roster.  At this point, Hobbs is being looked at to start at cornerback and I'd rather not have him returning kicks because of cornerback depth.

(5) Chad Hall should be looked at to return.  He did it in college, he's fast and agile - why not?

(6) Can Trevard Lindley return?  He hasn't done so since his days in high school, but he has back end speed (his 40 was faster during the last 20) and is agile.  Perhaps the Eagles use him as the nickel corner and returner, ala Ellis Hobbs last season (kinda).

This is a subject I will definitely be covering as it changes.  Returning cost the Eagles a couple of games over the past couple of years, through lack of sufficient return yards or fumbles lost.   To see returners available during the offseason, check my "Overlooked" fanpost on kick returners here.

Star-divide

Lack of Class and Professionalism (Part II)

Yet another blogger gets hired to join the professional sports world.  JasonB reported that Daniel Jeremiah was hired by the Eagles to join their scouting staff.  But, as I discussed last week, that still doesn't give confidence to the blogging community as a whole that it is accepted.  It may appear on the outside that portions of the blogging world are accepted but diving underneath the surface proves otherwise.  This ability to be both used and ignored at the same time comes from a variety of reasons, but the main one is the inability to connect with a portion of the established sports media.

Where I believe blogging lacks a foothold is with the writing journalism community, namely newspaper sports journalists.  My reasoning behind this belief rests upon the canons of journalism.  The canons are, in layman's terms, the list of standards that journalists must adhere to.  I learned this important set of rules and guidelines back in 10th grade, when I took Journalism I at my high school.  Sure it was a year long class, but I learned them early on into the class and was constantly reminded of the duties of a reporter to adhere to the guidelines - while still putting out the best effort possible.  Some reporters walk a fine line on portions of their reporting and occasionally it pays out well for the public.  Other times we hear of reporters facing libel suits.  Nonetheless, there is a set of guidelines out there for professional journalists.  The First Amendment does not mean everything is open and free.  Arguments over plagiarism have even come onto BGN, which shows just how far reaching some of the more well known components of the canons are.  My breakdown will be based off of the canon summary found on Wikipedia (just to save time explaining each portion in great detail).

Accuracy and standards for factual reporting

Sites like Deadspin have caused a lot of discussion on this issue.  Blogs that detail the sports world like tabloids will never gain a footing in the professional world.  There are certain lines you don't cross and most of them involve sections of personal life.  Stories like that of Tiger Woods' infidelities come out every so often, but it should not be the intent of a journalist to discredit someone for malignant intent.  If research leads a journalist to the stance that someone used a PED, or Tiger had affairs, then by all means run with it.  But at this point in time, there are people who are simply intent on outing people for the sake of outing people, whether or not everything is in line fact wise.

ProFootballTalk comes into this discussion on their consistent choosing to ignore the context of quotes.  Instead of presenting the full story, PFT instead shows only the smallest of bites in order to gain a larger community of readers.  As seen with their choices of shortened quotes in the case of DeSean Jackson, it is clear to me that PFT and Mike Florio knowingly misrepresent athletes and their quotes.  There are two ways to give incorrect information to the public: misinformation and disinformation.  "Mis" is unknowingly doing so, while "dis" is done with the intent to spread the incorrect information knowingly.  PFT and Florio use disinformation to create events that are not already in play.  Jackson's full quote was nothing more than a statement of support for his new quarterback, Kevin Kolb, yet by shortening it into the equivalent of a TV sound bite, PFT and Florio created a supernova of sports news.  Soon ESPN jumped on the "DJax v McNabb" train, as did the rest of the sportsverse.  An non-issue turned into the issue, all because PFT and Florio decided to break a pretty straight forward cannon of journalism.  

Slander and libel considerations

I'm not going to go so far as to say that Florio and co. at PFT are committing libel, but I will state that I believe there is clear malicious intent by PFT to give disinformation/misinform the public. Their reporting of the "facts" led to a situation that could easily have scarred his reputation.  In fact, PFT itself pushed the limits of the effect of their reporting by creating another issue.  Jackson was quickly named "TO redux" by PFT and that pushed the idea to the web and that influenced the public image of Jackson.  The attack on his public image down the line could cost him money, whether in his NFL contract or possible sponsorship deals.  I can assure you that a sports journalist writing for a newspaper (sans a writer like SAS) would go for a yellow journalism move like PFT.  In my opinion, PFT is the sports reporting equivalent of the yellow journalistic newspapers that sparked the Spanish-American War (Remember the Maine!).  

Harm limitation principle

There are only part of this that needs to be touched on deals with reporting and minors.  Minors involved in crimes, victims or the criminals themselves, should not be named nor are they normally named.  However, this doesn't stop those aforementioned tabloid-like blogs from doing so.  It's despicable and that's all I really have to say on the matter.  

Presentation

What is the summary provide on this section?

(1) "Correctly spoken or written language..."  Some users of BGN know that their writing won't fulfill this part, but that's fine because you're not putting yourself out there as a writer.  You all are commenting on a blog that runs stories about your favorite team.  This portion of the canons refers to anyone who wishes to pass him or herself off as a writer - amateur or professional.  No offense to JIBTA, but if someone tried to tell me your spelling was indicative of a professional writer, I'd freak.

(2) "Clarity..."  Not something to really harp about because I don't think this is a huge problem.  I know I sometimes have problems with writing north-to-south articles, but clarity in this case means presenting information clearly.  Perhaps PFT needs to learn that?  

(3) "Brevity (or depth, depending on the niche of the publisher)..." Don't say with more words than actually needed.  A lesson I need to occasionally put into practice, but of all things I covered here this is the last one I'm worried about.  It's in the eye of the beholder.  But in the case of PFT, 'depth' is definitely needed.

A week later, my rage/anger slowed down, so this entry was a bit less ranty.  I still hate PFT, though.

Coffin Corner

Durant Brooks was released by the Eagles today, leaving the punting competition down to Ken Parrish and Sav Rocca (BGN member Route36 reported it here).  It's yet another unfortunate bump in the road for Brooks.  Since winning the Ray Guy Award in 2007, while still a member of the Georgia Tech collegiate football team, Brooks has been released by the Washington Redskins, Green Bay Packers and Eagles.  After displaying an amazing tenacity to not only be a consistent, but also a powerful punter, Brooks just has not been able to transition his game to the NFL.  I'll close this portion of the column with a video of Brooks' best punt of his college career.

The Jersey Connection: Rutgers

This week gave Rutgers' basketball program some hope.  It seems that a new coach can really change things for a program.  Two new recruits officially signed with Rutgers, putting new coach Mike Rice in a better position for the upcoming season.  Hopefully Rice is able to keep his scholarship players, unlike former coach Fred Hill, Jr.  Hill was considered a great recruiter but his inability to retain (and coach) players plagued the program during his tenure.  In all, Hill recruited 13 scholarship players and by the end of his tenure (including Mike Rosario), 7 had left the program.  A friend of mine, who is someone I will always go to about anything basketball or Rutgers related, gave me this great quote: "Honestly, if we kept all the players we were supposed to have, next year we would be a top 8 team in the Big East EASILY.  Our starting lineup next season would be: James Beatty, Mike Rosario, Dane Miller, Johnathan Mitchell, Gregory Echinque, with legit bench players.  Like extremely deep bench players, [I'd say] ten deep."

To put it simply, Eddie Jordan was a better coach for the Sixers than Fred Hill, Jr. was for Rutgers.  That says a lot to me. 

Sport of the Round Ball: USA World Cup Preview I

Czech Republic 4 - 2 United States

What did we learn from this game?

(a) Our defense is going to be shaky for a couple of games.

(b) I saw someone ask this question on Twitter... "We're a country of 300 MILLION and we can't find a decent left back?"  So true.

(c) Unless Donovan is used up front, the US is going to be lacking a speedy compliment to Altidore.  Ching is not the option, no matter how consistent he is (consistently average).  The loss of Davies is going to show.

(d) Holden not only cemented his place on the team, but I believe he showed why he should start as well.  Only problem is, where does Edu fit into this equation?  He deserves to start too.

(e) I feel like Gomez may have made his statement for being Altidore's strike partner.  He was dangerous throughout 

4-4-2

Howard

Cherundolo, Onyewu, DeMerit, Bocenegra

Dempsey, Bradley, Holden, Donovan

Gomez, Altidore

That's my starting lineup for the World Cup, based on play from this friendly.

Next week will be part two of the World Cup preview, which will feature breakdowns on all three group opponents for the United States, my predictions through the group stage and analysis of the final 23.

Quote of the Week

"Normally he uses his hands to punch people in the face."

- John Buccigross, Sportscenter anchor during today's Top 10, in reference to Arron Asham's goal from last night's Flyers victory over the Montreal Canadiens.  

Just when I didn't think I could dislike Buccigross or ESPN/Sportscenter more... this happens.  I realize that there's really nothing to "Phillycize" right now, but that doesn't mean a person should reach on insulting Philadelphia or its athletes.  Asham scores a fantastic goal and all ESPN can do is insult his style of play, not celebrate the great play.  Shame on you, ESPN.

Random Eagles Stat of the Week

Reggie Brown was second on the team last season with 17.2 yards per catch.  DeSean Jackson lead the team with 18.5 yards per catch.  Whodathunkit?

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AOA

Was disappointed they didnt take a look at Akwasi Owusu-Ansah in the 4th round. Sure his level of competition put up some questions but he was widely regarded as the best KR prospect in the draft.

Picking Clayton over him pissed me off, but going with Mike Kafka later in the round infuriated me. As explosive as the offense was last year they had big problems with consistency, anything we can do to avoid KK looking down at 80 yard fields is worth waaaay more than a developmental QB.

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by dt3 on May 26, 2010 12:35 PM EDT reply actions  

i thought the same things

AOA was werth the shot, more so than clayton, we could have gotten clayton later. plus why draft a KK clone at Qb, why not try something different. plus i liked some other QBs better that were left like Skelton

by ytylerdurden on May 27, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kafka was the highest reward QB in the draft.

I even named his as my 46th best prospect in the draft. He has the skills, talent and tools necessary to be good in the NFL. His only hitch is that he’s a project, something I think Andy is more than happy to work on.

AOA was a great looking prospect, but obviously the Eagles felt he didn’t fit into their plans. Otherwise, why pass on him.

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by Scott Kessler on May 27, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

A “developmental QB” who will likely be the backup QB in one years time. A good backup QB is a very important thing to have in this league. Do you want your season to be instantly over when/if KK goes down? Do you want to automatically chaulk up any games KK has to miss as losses? I’d be willing to spend a second round pick on a guy who will be a quality backup QB for several years.

We needed a QB out of this draft, and we got the one they had targeted. I’m happy with that. As for returning, I think Demps will be just fine, he’s pretty solid at it really.

by AZ Eagle on Jun 4, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kafka looks like he is going to be decent within our system...

Demps sucks.

thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro

"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb

by wild_eagle on Jun 4, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great stuff again, Scott. Although, I don’t think “reportered” is a word, haha. See: Brooks column.

Jim Johnson(RIP). Brian Westbrook(36). Donovan Mcnabb(5). Brian Dawkins(20). Sheldon Brown(24). Jeremiah Trotter(54).

Thanks for the memories...

by Route36 on May 26, 2010 12:38 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Spelling fail, of course. It always gets me like that. Fixing it now.

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by Scott Kessler on May 26, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is it going to be the same section topic each week?

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by Udalango on May 26, 2010 1:17 PM EDT reply actions  

The Ethics section is gone, but it may reappear based on PFT/ESPN stupidity. The Round Ball will be continuous because I love my soccer (football). RUT will be appearing every week, Coffin will appear only when needed, quote of the week and stat of the week will hopefully have enough fuel to go every week. The “front page” story will change every week.

Any suggestions for a weekly section are appreciated.

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by Scott Kessler on May 26, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh ok

I was just wondering cause you put Part 2 on the ethics one.

Off the top of my head I dont have any suggestions, But I prolly will soon

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by Udalango on May 26, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Part II was because I didn’t want to make the first HtF too long, so I broke up my Ethics section.

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by Scott Kessler on May 26, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh

Im not going to try and tell you how to write this, cause this is fantastic.
But It wouldnt hurt to incorporate more Eagles related things.

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by Udalango on May 26, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because nothing has really happened since the draft, I’ve been struggling to find things to write about. I don’t want to make news out of nothing. Next week’s column should be much more Eagles. I think you’re going to see this consistently develop until it reaches a point where I’m too happy with the product to change it.

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by Scott Kessler on May 26, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know there hasnt been much new worthy Eagles stuff lately. But I was just saying, this has a very Peter Kingish. Thats not a bad thing cause he has to cover more than just Eagles.

I understand its a new column working out kinks so im not going to try to make it mine haha

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by Udalango on May 26, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

This’ll be heading to more of a Peter Eagleish column soon enough. I just want something interesting to happen first!

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by Scott Kessler on May 26, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also

Under the Libel paragraph you wrote scared instead of scarred

Good stuff again

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by Udalango on May 26, 2010 1:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Sigh. This is why I need someone else reading my stuff for errors.

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by Scott Kessler on May 26, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lol

Well I found another one But i didnt want to look like an ass just listing words you typed wrong.
The Clarity bullet point you wrote righting. Instead of Writing But everyone does things like that all the time.

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by Udalango on May 26, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Scott if you want I can proofread. I can usually find the spelling errors in already finsihed pieces. I make spelling errors my self but mostly because my big, dumb, clumsy fingers type with such furor that i hit post before giving the writing it’s proper read through. Anyway let me know.

"I will never have my best season," Brian Dawkins

"There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them." Bruce Lee

"This fucking game is over!" Chuck Bednarik

"Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth" Mike Tyson

by Talon Talent on May 26, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Throw me an email and I’ll start to send you stuff. It’ll force me to finish my writing on time.

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by Scott Kessler on May 26, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

no problem. krucifix187n@yahoo.com

"I will never have my best season," Brian Dawkins

"There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them." Bruce Lee

"This fucking game is over!" Chuck Bednarik

"Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth" Mike Tyson

by Talon Talent on May 26, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fixed that one too. I realize it’s going to happen when you post something that is 2500+ words, but damn… I spelled “writing” wrong? fml

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by Scott Kessler on May 26, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well to be fair

Righting and writing sound the same so your brain thought it and you just typed the wrong one.

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by Udalango on May 26, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Inexcusable!

(jk)

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by Scott Kessler on May 26, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

don't you mean

insteaqd of skeerd?

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by RiotJuice on May 26, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

As I am a Saints fan, this statement...
PFT and Mike Florio knowingly misrepresent athletes and their quotes

…is all too familiar.

Rec’d ya for the Florio stuff alone (although the rest was pretty good too).

It's an ankle bracelet, not a halo....

by yurintroubl on May 26, 2010 1:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Is the Vicodin situation the worst it has been for the Saints and PFT? What’s happened in the past?

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by Scott Kessler on May 26, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

For a guy who is supposed to have "media neutrality" Florio is clearly a big time Vikings backer.

Last season was an all-time low for veiled and not-so-veiled Saints bashing.

It's an ankle bracelet, not a halo....

by yurintroubl on May 26, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I never really read PFT prior to getting onto BGN. Whenever I see something about PFT on there, it’s always followed by “but this is PFT we’re talking about.” Seems like it has a following, but people who are non-politicized (i.e. fans like on sbnation) are able to see through Florio, unlike NBC.

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by Scott Kessler on May 26, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Florio has been a guest on the [Vikings radio announcer] Paul Allen Show multiple times....

…and has stated on-air that he was a lifelong Vikings fan.

Oddly enough – the one time he was actually backing the Saints was going into the NFCCG (I think he was just trying to stir the pot for juicy radio).

It's an ankle bracelet, not a halo....

by yurintroubl on May 26, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Excellent

I like the portion on ethics, but I agree that for an Eagles blog it’s got to be given a break now and then. The quote section should definately be a staple. Any break downs of the weeks Eagles news from your standpoints could be an interesting section. Sort of like a recap and what you think it means. I mean this seems like a strong opinion piece so I think it would fit in well. Overall this is excellent writing and I find myself looking forward to each column. Keep up the good work.
Oh and the soccer stuff, fantastic. Maybe you can keep it going after the World Cup with a little union news. I know there is a blog for that but a brief tidbit can’t hurt to try and expand peoples minds.

"I will never have my best season," Brian Dawkins

"There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them." Bruce Lee

"This fucking game is over!" Chuck Bednarik

"Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth" Mike Tyson

by Talon Talent on May 26, 2010 1:52 PM EDT reply actions  

After the WC I think that “The Round Ball” should turn into a general soccer column. It’ll be focused on Man Utd and the Union a bit more than anything else, though (bias will show!).

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by Scott Kessler on May 26, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Question.

On SI.com the Eagles tab rather consistently links this site, its actually how i got involved here) But SI is the professional world Just wondering what your take on that is. It would seem that it is satisfied with our blog

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by Udalango on May 26, 2010 2:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Linking to something is a little bit different that using analysis from the article in a “professional” piece. It shows that they believe that blog coverage is vital to cover gaps in sports reporting, but it still doesn’t show full acceptance. As far as I know, SI hasn’t signed anyone from a blog like this to be a columnist or beat writer.

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by Scott Kessler on May 26, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

All right

Makes sense, I was JW cause they link here a lot during the season.

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by Udalango on May 26, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m screen shotting if SI links to one of my posts. It’ll be my background for the rest of time!

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by Scott Kessler on May 26, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Im sure it will haha

Not to kill your dreams but I highly doubt it unless you do a 100% Eagles thing.

…..I wonder if Jason has any input in what gets linked or not.

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by Udalango on May 26, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eh, you never know. My column should turn into 80% Eagles soon enough haha

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by Scott Kessler on May 26, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice I've been waiting for this for a few days..

good read, killed some time and I liked it alot.

thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro

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by wild_eagle on May 26, 2010 7:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Glad you enjoyed it.

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by Scott Kessler on May 26, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was fucking great.

thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro

"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb

by wild_eagle on May 27, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Asham

he’s a tough guy, he generally does enforcer related things rather than pretty scoring related things, I’m not offended by Bucc’s comments. He’s trying to be witty, and actually i think it’s kind of a funny / accurate statement.

by Alon on May 27, 2010 11:50 AM EDT reply actions  

My problem is more with ESPN’s opinion of Philly players than anything else. If you want to call Asham a tough guy, fine. But to discredit his great play this postseason with a generalized comment like that? It’s just plain wrong. Especially when you take into account his playoff stat line: 3 goals, 2 assists, 5 points, +/- = +3, PIM 10 minutes, 28 shots on goal. That’s in 17 games this postseason. For his career, Asham averages just over 1 PIM per game. If you want to tell me that Dan Carcillo punches people in the face, fine, he does. But Asham is not your typical enforcer, nor should he be known as one. He’s just a tough guy on the ice.

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by Scott Kessler on May 28, 2010 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

What about Martell Mallett at KOR?
He has lots of experience and I could see him at least making some ST’s play time.

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by EagleGreeninMD on May 27, 2010 2:05 PM EDT reply actions  

He's to slow.

thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro

"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb

by wild_eagle on May 27, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

??? really says who?

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by Whodie126 on May 27, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

sssshhhh I'm picking fights...

not but really that mallet guy looks slow as shit on film…

thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro

"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb

by wild_eagle on May 27, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

what I mean is he's got no 2nd gear.

thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro

"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb

by wild_eagle on May 27, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but if he can pick up 40 on every KO I don’t vare if he’s got lead in his cleats. I think he’ll try, he runs hard and lowers his shoulders and can make people miss. I’m no scout, but I definitely saw some talent in him,

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by EagleGreeninMD on May 28, 2010 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

He’s not a returner. He doesn’t have average returner speed and lacks any kind of “2nd gear” speed needed to put a return in the endzone. Also, after viewing film on him, it seems to me that he sees holes very well but the blocking in front of him must give him them. Because offensive line blocking allows for plenty of planning, Mallett finds a ton of room. On kick returners, holes aren’t really holes. Some running backs don’t adjust well at all to kick returns because of the blocking schemes and their ability to fail very quickly. I’d much rather see Mallett try to knock Bell off the roster.

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by Scott Kessler on May 28, 2010 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not buying this for a second

2nd Gear is a term used all the time and it makes no sense. Why would the guy wait to go full speed (save for setting up blocks)?

He has plenty of speed to be a returner the only time I’ve seen him caught were by great angles taken from opposing DBs who are probably as fast.

Westbrooks speed was often criticized even on Madden which got annoying real fast. I think Mallett is easily as fast as Hobbs.

You do raise a good point in him being able to adjust as a returner and this is probably the only reason he wouldn’t be successful his speed is a non issue.

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by Whodie126 on May 28, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Players do have second gears. If you look at someone like DeSean Jackson or Chris Johnson, they are able to extend the distance between themselves and defenders after they already have started to speed away. Once everyone is up to “full speed”, Jackson and Johnson still find a way to pull even farther away. It’s just like having a car that is fast in the first 0-20 of a 0-60 race, while another car is fast for 40-60. The car that is fast from the start gets a jump, but the other car gets faster as it goes. Some players are faster as they go (and they tend to have a faster 2nd 20 split in the 40).

As for Mallet, his 40 is listed at 4.68 and his “low” 40 listed at 4.58. His worst 40 was recorded at 4.80. Not the fastest guy on the field but he has good vision and exploits defenses with it.

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by Scott Kessler on May 28, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

meh
Once everyone is up to "full speed", Jackson and Johnson still find a way to pull even farther away.

LOL it’s because they are faster not because they have a second gear.

It’s one of the most ridiculous statements in sports.

The distance a car travels doesn’t determine it’s speed. You won’t have a car that is fast at 0-20 but not at 0-60 unless it’s top end speed is low but it reaches it quicker than most or can’t sustain the speed. It has nothing to do with a ‘second gear’ its how fast the car actually is versus how quickly it reaches this speed.

Either way that analogy doesn’t work with these players because they are simply faster then the other guys and can sustain said speed. Not only do they get up to top speed quicker there top speed is higher. They don’t have a 2nd gear they are simply faster.

also from his coach in the CFL

“We worked him out at our [free-agent] camp in Dallas,” explained Lions head coach Wally Buono. “He’s faster than his time. He ran a sub 4.5 [40-yard dash]. He can really accelerate after the 10-yard mark.”

I’m guessing you got your info from NFL draft scout but I’m going to take his coaches word for it.

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by Whodie126 on May 28, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can see your points and I’ll agree with some of it, but there still is such a thing as someone having a second gear.

As for his 40 time, I did go to NFL draft scout. I don’t follow college football enough to know of any other good sites.

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by Scott Kessler on May 28, 2010 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

but there still is such a thing as someone having a second gear.

That’s fair if you believe that I think it’s a silly cliche. It’s a creative way of saying a guy is fast he doesn’t actually have a second gear.

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by Whodie126 on May 29, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

no, athletes are now taught to run full speed then have a burst

to get away… Most players who master this end up being damn good, Look at desean, you can clearly see him run as fast as he can then hit a whole other speed when he’s pulling away from someone…

thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro

"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb

by wild_eagle on May 30, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

you can clearly see him run as fast as he can then hit a whole other speed when he’s pulling away from someone…

you realize this makes zero sense right? how is it a player runs as fast as they can … meaning they can’t go any faster but then wait a tick there’s a whole other speed? were they really running as fast as they could?

Fast is fast having a second gear is a saying nothing more, there is no such thing as a second, third, fourth or even fifth gear. We don’t have transmissions.

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by Whodie126 on May 31, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

you basically run full speed then use all you got to

burst forward for 5-10 yards and create seperation…

thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro

"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb

by wild_eagle on Jun 1, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

All right im not exactly an olympic sprinter

But Ill give you this Whodie. I understand what you are saying.

But when I was in a Cross country race and Im going my race pace its the end of the race so I start sprinting as fast as I can because I wanna shave at least 10 seconds from my time. Then a kid comes up on my right YOu hit the “FUCK THIS YOU AINT PASSING ME BITCH” Gear where you kick it up even harder then you really have energy for.

Its not a pace I could maintain longer than the maybe 5 to 50 seconds I need it thus the second gear.

Does that at least make sense.

I doubt Desean plays sprinting his fastest the entire time. When he is getting chased he has more speed he can kick up in the times he needed. If he did it the entire Game he would more than likely pass out

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by Udalango on Jun 1, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I doubt Desean plays sprinting his fastest the entire time.

If this is true then he isn’t half the player I think he is.

To suggest that anyone on the Eagles isn’t giving it there all every second of the game should make you sick, it does me.

First it’s not a cross country run so pace isn’t really all that significant. Second I understand the burst of speed I’ve run from the cops before. This isn’t a second gear it’s a running as fast as you possibly can.

I’ve made mention of this before Some guys can sprint FAST some guys can run Fast. DeSean Jackson can do both. He gets up to speed faster than anyone else and he can maintain that speed. When you see him pulling away it’s not because he all of a sudden popped the clutch on second gear, the other guys just can’t keep up.

I was always very fast growing up, I’ve heard this many times. It’s flat out wrong I never had a second gear I could just maintain my top speed longer then they other guys.

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by Whodie126 on Jun 1, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

If this is true then he isn’t half the player I think he is.

To suggest that anyone on the Eagles isn’t giving it there all every second of the game should make you sick, it does me

Its a situational thing. There is a difference between running full speed the entire time and giving your all. Im sure there are some routes where they want him to run slower and then burst into a slant. That is how I meant it

I understand the pace thing I was just trying to throw in a different perspective.

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by Udalango on Jun 1, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have no idea what "B" is

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by Udalango on Jun 1, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

second letter in the alphabet.

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by Whodie126 on Jun 1, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

WOW

How did I not see that coming.

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by Udalango on Jun 1, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol well you left it out there on a tee for me.

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by Whodie126 on Jun 1, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea I know

Haha

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by Udalango on Jun 1, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I understand that people buy into the “Second Gear” phrase but it’s just a gimmick phrase used to describe fast people.

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by Whodie126 on Jun 1, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

But what about DeSeans second gear?

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by krucifix on Jun 1, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd rather see Scott returning, Scott's got a 2nd gear and will run just as hard.

thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro

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by wild_eagle on May 28, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

According to lsusports.net, Scott returned two kicks in four years for a whopping 23 yards. A kick returner shouldn’t have to be made in the NFL. The average returner did returning at some point in college/

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by Scott Kessler on May 28, 2010 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

well then let Shady return kicks or that Hall kid..

fuck even let Lindley, Harris, Demps, Hobbs, Pope, Allen, or even Bell get a crack at it.

thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro

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by wild_eagle on May 29, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pope, Patterson, Bell or Demps. Demps mostly for me, he’s had some good success.

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by Scott Kessler on May 30, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Demps may be gone..

Mikell, Allen, Marlin(unless unhealthy) are locks… Cole, that other kid we just picked up and Demps are all in a battle for that 4th spot.

thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro

"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb

by wild_eagle on May 30, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Demps is cut, then hopefully Hall makes the team and is named returner.

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by Scott Kessler on May 31, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

That Hall guy would make a good returner.

thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro

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by wild_eagle on Jun 1, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hall is in that whole “white WRs who play like Wes Welker” section.

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by Scott Kessler on Jun 1, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dont give a fuck.. If he returns like a boss let him.

thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro

"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb

by wild_eagle on Jun 1, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was meant to include Welker’s return abilities as well.

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by Scott Kessler on Jun 1, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

ahh ok... I still dont care...

If Hall returns like a boss let him

thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro

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by wild_eagle on Jun 1, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

In 2007, Hall returned 22 kickoffs for 505 yards with a long of 52 yards. That was good for an average of 23 yards (22.95) but didn’t return any for a touchdown. He was worse than Maclin for his collegiate career, but he won’t be anything close to Maclin as a WR so he would have time to specialize in returning.

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by Scott Kessler on Jun 1, 2010 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly, he needs to get a chance at it... I also

think that his small stature will help him be more ellusive.

thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro

"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb

by wild_eagle on Jun 1, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok why doesn't maclin return?

he was a absolute stud at college like the one against northwestern, he was an all american KR his freshman year y not?

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by HawaiiEaglesFanatic on May 28, 2010 4:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Because he was trash last season when put in to return.

Jeremy Maclin – 7 attempts, 124 yards, 17.7 y/a, long of 28 yards

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by Scott Kessler on May 28, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

ya cause he wasnt given a fair shot

if we just give him a starting spot he can become a great returner

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by HawaiiEaglesFanatic on May 29, 2010 4:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

He was given 7 returns and didn’t get most of them back to the 20. I don’t want that happening ever again.

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by Scott Kessler on May 30, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maclin's definantly not an NFL returner...

thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro

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by wild_eagle on May 30, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nor do I want him to be one.

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by Scott Kessler on May 31, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think if we tell him

at the beginning of the season and let him practice returning he can be gud fathe tell him that week

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by HawaiiEaglesFanatic on May 31, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why force it?

No need to make a starter into a returner if he isn’t one.
No need to take on the added injury risk unless returning is something he’s proven to be good at (as DeSean has). Otherwise, let a backup do it.

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by Rabbit T on Jun 1, 2010 5:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Because he's just not that good at it in the NFL

just like some WR’s are great WR’s in college and they cant cut it in the NFL….

That and we’d have one of our starters/stars returning kicks too.

thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro

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by wild_eagle on May 29, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

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