June 1st - Oshiomogho Atogwe Day!
by JimmyK on May 25, 2010 9:04 PM EDT
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Put it in your calendar – Oshiomogho Atogwe Day is next Tuesday! In case you’re unfamiliar, I’ll give you the short version on the Atogwe situation. There are 3 basic scenarios, one of which will play out by June 1…
1) The Rams will sign Atogwe to a long term deal.
2) The Rams will pay Atogwe $6.976 million for the 2010 season.
3) Atogwe will become an unrestricted free agent.
At this stage in the game, all reports indicate that scenarios 1 and 2 are extremely unlikely, meaning that on June 1st, Atogwe will most likely no longer be a Ram, and will be free to sign with any team that is interested in employing his services. Should the Eagles be interested? There are 2 major reasons why the Eagles should, and shouldn't, sign him...
Why the Eagles should sign Atogwe
1) Lots of major question marks at FS…
- Marlin Jackson – After being placed on Injured Reserve each of the past 2 seasons because of a couple torn ACL’s, Jackson is about 6 months removed from surgery and multiple reports say that he was noticeably hampered in his first minicamp. The hope is that he will regain the promise he showed in his first few healthy years with the Colts.
- Macho Harris – Let me first say that I like Macho Harris and I genuinely see some real promise in the kid. When you play one position your entire football life, and the first time you ever step onto an NFL field you’re playing a position you’ve never played, guess what… There are going to be some mistakes. That said, he had his ups, he had his downs. The hope is that with an entire offseason at safety under his belt, he can elevate his game… (And of course the other option is a move back to corner).
- Quintin Demps – Ah, the entitled one. Demps thought the FS job was his last season, and when Week One rolled around… it wasn’t. Talented guy, but a bit of a bonehead. The hope is that he realizes his potential, wakes up, and gets his act together.
- Nate Allen – 39th pick in a deep draft – Obviously the Eagles see something. However, not to oversimplify it, but he’s a rookie. The hope is that he can adapt immediately to the pro game.
Four players – Four "hopes." To quote Michael Lombardi… "Never confuse ‘hope’ with a plan." At least in this case, there are four "hopes," and if any of the four pan out, we’re in decent shape at FS, but they’re "hopes" nevertheless.
2) Atogwe can play – In 2006, he intercepted 3 passes and did his best Brian Dawkins impression when he forced 5 fumbles, which tied him for 3rd in the NFL with… well… Brian Dawkins. In 2007, he picked off 8 passes which was good for 2nd in the NFL. In 2008, he grabbed 5 interceptions and forced 6 fumbles, which tied him for 2nd in the NFL with… wait for it… Brian Dawkins. Moral of the story – He makes plays – A lot of them.
Why the Eagles shouldn’t sign Atogwe
1) He’s going to get paid – The Giants overpayed – way overpayed, that is – for Antrel Rolle. They signed him to a 5 year, $37 million deal, of which $15 million is guaranteed, including a $5 million signing bonus and Rolle’s first 2 years’ base salaries. That’s serious money, and Rolle’s contract will be a benchmark that Atogwe and his agent, Ken Landphere, will most certainly point to during negotiations. Atogwe probably isn’t likely to fetch that kind of deal, but it won’t exactly be that far off either.
2) He’s coming off a pair of injuries – Atogwe had major surgery to repair a dislocated shoulder at the end of last season, and he’s also coming off another annoying injury that Eagles fans are all too familiar with… the dreaded sports hernia. His injuries are nowhere even remotely as serious as Marlin Jackson’s 2 torn ACL’s, but they should still be concerning.
I’m not going to claim that I’ve seen enough Ram games to really have a strong opinion with conviction on whether or not the Eagles should go out and pay a king’s ransom for Atogwe, but I’m sure they’ve done their due diligence on him. If the Eagles feel that he can upgrade their current situation at FS, they’ll set their price and make their offer. If another team chooses to overpay, so be it.
Ah… who am I kidding? The real reason I wanted to write this post – andyreidswaistline's Atogwe photoshops!!!
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He’s a hitter and he’s versatile. Mikell showed some inadequacy last season… If we made this signing, he could start immediately at FS. He’s presumably learned Spagnuolo’s system (i.e. the same system that Jim Johnson ran) so there likely wouldn’t be a huge problem getting in sync with our defense. Say Allen shows up in camp and the Eagles determine he’s the starter for both the future AND now… well then Atogwe moves over to take Mikell’s spot. In the nickel (provided this scenario happens) Allen would move to 3rd corner and Mikell would come back in for coverage. Likewise, Q could go back to beasting on special teams, the place where he made his name in the first place.
Same pro’s and con’s for the Cowboys… except the major difference is that the Cowboys shelled out a 6 year, $39 million contract to Ken Hamlin and a 4 year, $25.2 million contract to Roy Williams (the safety). They were burned badly on both, and will probably be gun shy to outbid the rest of the league for another safety.
Formerly Bye, Dawk :(
i wish...
We can getta Sean Jones like deal here and if all works sign him long term and groom Allen as a mikell replacement
Desean is Rampage Jackson on a rampage outside of the cage
by birdsflyinhigh2590 on May 26, 2010 12:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think you’re greatly discounting Mikell. Injury aside, no scenario exists in which Mikell will lose his starting job. He’s as rock solid a player as the Eagles have on the team.
Formerly Bye, Dawk :(
Indeed
I agree that Mikell is underrated by a lot of people here. But he turns 30, and is in the last year of his contract, a point that hasn’t been brought up much. I’m not sure that he gets resigned after this season either.
by Team Serbia on May 25, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
30, yes… But low mileage. He’s only been a starter for 3 years. I’d be stunned if the Eagles don’t re-up him.
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by JimmyK on May 25, 2010 10:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yea but MIkell has to be thinking long term
It’ll prolly be the last time he gets a decent contract. Will he settle for a 2-3 year deal? Can you see the Eagles giving him more than that?
by Team Serbia on May 25, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes...
Like JimmyK said he has low mileage and people make too much about the over 30 thing the Eagles have kept players over 30 if they can still play.
No Way
They give him a long term deal. This is the eagles we are talking about here. If they do give him more then a 2 or 3 year deal. Its going to be with the option to cut his ass. I dont care how low his mileage is. If you think other wise your fooling yourself.
But he turns 30
Atogwe turns 29 this year actually in less than a month.
They call me The Professor.
Yes I got that … my point is how can you say “But he turns 30” and then want to replace him with a 29 year old (with injury history).
They call me The Professor.
I didn't indicate replacing him with Atogwe
Just brought up a point that Mikell is in the last year of his contract. :)
The next question is whether you want him buzzed or fro'd.
by andyreidswaistline on May 25, 2010 9:19 PM EDT reply actions
Freddie Mitchell frohawk?
nyuk nyuk nyuk
by alcatraz0109 on May 25, 2010 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
good summery, jk
I wonder if the eagles would be contenders if marlin didn’t look good or if nate allen didn’t fall. But, both look good, demps does look hungry, and I still contend that macho would be much improved this year. I think all stay on the roster, but I have to wonder maybe mikell does have competition.
2010-11 Predictions:
Kevin Kolb will go to the probowl and complete >65% of passes.
Jeremy Maclyn will have more receptions than Miles Austin & Steve Smith
Graham will have the starting LDE spot tied up by week 5, win ROTY, and have >10 Sacks
11-5 finish.
by corn on the kolb on May 25, 2010 10:47 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
For the love of God, at least make an attempt to sign him
Marlin Jackson’s gonna be walking like Earl Campbell by the time camp comes around. And at that point, they’ll be forced to look for final cut cast-offs
make this happen, FO.
nate allen needs to sit and learn. this makes sense, especially with mikells contract.
"it's like i tell my ex-wife, i never drive faster than i can see, and besides it's all in the reflexes." -Jack Burton, Big trouble in little China
totally agree
Mikell and Atogwe this year, maybe some 2 safety packages to get allen some playing time. Then the following year we have lots of option with the Mikell situation.
My "t" and "y" buttons are messed up so don't bitch at me about misspelling, I'm just saying.
by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on May 26, 2010 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions
They should, they won't
If they want to be a better team next year, they would clearly sign him if he was available. Atogwe though is going to want a big bonus up front & a multi-year deal.
With the Allen pick though, Eagles made it clear that he is going to be ‘their guy’ at FS going ahead forward. In fact, I would bet the Eagles are going to be pretty disappointed if Allen doesn’t win the job outright in camp. He might take some lumps but you hope he grows alot form Week 1 to Week 16.
exactly my thoughts, they should but won't
i think the eagles always seem to be happy with their teams after the draft, they never seem to make moves this late into preseason. i’d like to see it though
by ytylerdurden on May 26, 2010 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions
they should not!
Whats the rush? We just signed two guys(drafted one/signed the other), lets see how those signings play out. Can Marlin or Allen step up and be what we need? The best way to find out is to let them play. When was the first time a team went out and signed every popular good player and won a SB?
by MightyJoeBanner on May 26, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
The issue is that the Eagles are once again really thin at the S position even with the moves they made this offseason.
Jackson – There is a better chance that Jackson gives them nothing next year than he is a legit starter at CB or FS. Counting on him is ‘a grasping at straws’ approach. He is here because he was cheap & willing to sign a 1-year deal. Eagles are hoping they get some value of him this year. Stop-gap & nothing more.
Harris – ‘Not so’ Macho Harris was moved back to CB in the OTA. He is likely going to be a depth guy behind Hanson for the nickel CB & a special teams guy. That’s fine because the less he is on the field, the better this team will likely be.
Demps – He is the one ‘unknown quantity’ back there. Haven’t heard much from anybody on him including G Cobb, Hanson, or any of the reliable Eagles’ sources this offseason. There is a chance he gets cut this year in camp. Frankly, one of the things in his favor is that this team is short on KRs & he is one of the few semi-reliable options they have. That might just keep him on the roster.
I don't think they need him ...
… Pre-Nate Allen, I would’ve been all for it.
Interesting that you say we’re thin at FS then go on to list three veterans who could win the job. Add in the possibility that Allen could start — if not Week 1, definitely at some point in the year, especially if Mikell can handle the secondary calls that FS’s usually make — and you have four guys where you only need one to emerge.
I’d call that the exact opposite of thin.
We might be uncertain about the position — certainly, as you noted, Demps could be cut, Jackson could stay injured, Allen could be a slow developing rookie and Harris works mostly at CB — but with the exception of quarterback and LT, I feel good about any position where four guys are competing to start.
I realize Atogwe would give us a bonafide starter at FS from Day 1, and I was all for it before the draft. But I think now it doesn’t fit the m.o. of what the Eagles are trying to do this offseason, which is more or less recraft the defense with speed and youth.
If Demps doesn’t wow, I think they let Jackson hold the spot til Allen is ready. If Allen or Demps look good to go, I wonder if they let Jackson compete at CB, even though he was a Tampa 2 CB in Indy and not the kind of CB we tend to use.
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Also
Lawlor just wrote something about Demps, IIRC. I went to Google it, and this thread was the No. 2 result for “Quintin Demps”
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I doubt the Eagles will sign Atogwe but if they do, it will most likely be for one of the following reasons....
1) They like Allen as a cornerback and appoint him the starting RCB. Atogwe and Mikell would be our starting safeties next year and maybe for years to come if Mikell also gets extended. OMG.
2) The FO doesn’t plan on resigning Mikell after this season and will have Allen take over at SS.(Allen has been playing as the second string SS at OTA so far, which also might mean nothing).
3) Just because the Eagles know they will make shitloads by selling out the Atogwe “confused face” t-shirts.
Reason 2 wouldn’t make much sense because why let go Mikell, who is only a year older with lower mileage and is already a top 5 SS for a 29 yr old Atogwe? Both will want a big contract so why not keep Mikell for a few more years and have Allen be the FS? That seems like the most logical plan to me.
Jim Johnson(RIP). Brian Westbrook(36). Donovan Mcnabb(5). Brian Dawkins(20). Sheldon Brown(24). Jeremiah Trotter(54).
Thanks for the memories...
This move doesn't make enough sense with Mikell and Allen on the roster
I’ll give this a 1% chance of happening.
My "t" and "y" buttons are messed up so don't bitch at me about misspelling, I'm just saying.
by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on May 26, 2010 1:49 AM EDT reply actions
I sure hope we don't see him twice next year...
Not in Eagle green. I don’t want him in Dallas, but I’d take that over seeing him go to Philly. He’s a baller, you can’t deny facts.
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why are you on here so much if you’re a Dallas fan? Looking for more intellectual banter than the Texans can provide? ha
by MightyJoeBanner on May 26, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
lol
That might be true, he seems more reasonable than most of them. So far at least.
I'm not here to get in pissing contests or arguments.
I am here to talk football. If it turns into anything else I realize this isn’t a Cowboys blog so I’ll end it, but most people here are cool to debate with… for being Eagles fans and all ; ) lol
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by Jeremiah_24 on May 26, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I post there more often, but I get bored at work so I peruse the rest of the East.
I don’t like talking to Skins fans because they really seem… um…. slower than most lol, and nothing really interesting is talked about on BBV. I look at the other sites regularly it just seems there’s more substance and intellectual conversation between here and BTB than the others. Short story, no i just helps the day go by.
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by Jeremiah_24 on May 26, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough
You’re welcome to stop by, especially if you’re just looking to talk football and can take the gratuitous Dallas hate in stride.
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by Jeremiah_24 on May 26, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm saying do it
Sign him for 2 or 3 years, let him start the first year and let Allen learn from him, then trade him next season
It’s awesome when you just say “Sign him for 2 or 3 years”… It’s not exactly that easy. Do you honestly think HE wants to sign for 2 or 3 years?
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
I thought they moved Harris to
RCB? That would take him out of the mix, and Jacksons a hybrid safety who could play CB so I’m definitely down for some safety help. We should have plenty of money, that that I want to pay him Rolle money but that shouldn’t be an excuse.
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I read that too ...
… I would say he’s no better than the fourth option at FS behind Jackson, Allen and Demps. But it doesn’t mean they wouldn’t move him back to FS if the other three guys failed to impress.
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putting jackson ahead of any of those players is crazy… take one look at him running those drills during OTAs and you can tell he isnt going to be doing much this year.
Macho at CB… think it would be premature to already be switching him back to CB but I read the same reports that he was lined up at RCB during rookie camps. Was that a full time switch or a move out of neccesity (over than lindley who could they put at that spot?) is the big question.
VOID!!!
The question is
how confident can be be in our secondary when we can’t even name who is actually going to be playing S and CB…
Makes me nervous.
In life, as in a football game, the principle to follow is: Hit the line hard.
-Theodore Roosevelt
agreed.
signing atogwe would go a long way towards my sleeping better at night.
"it's like i tell my ex-wife, i never drive faster than i can see, and besides it's all in the reflexes." -Jack Burton, Big trouble in little China
If the Eagles really believe that Allen is the guy at FS then I think signing Atogwe could be difficult. First because he’s going to want a big multi year deal. The dude will be 29 in less than 30 days he’s not going to want another 1 year deal. I don’t think you can sign him long term if you believe Allen is your FS if not this year then definitely next year.
Dawkins was a second round pick and started 13 games his rookie year (he only played 14 games).
They call me The Professor.
Signing Otogwe
Gives them leverage against Mikell. By the same token, players may not appreciate the FO giving big money to the new guy while pushing a well-respected veteran out the door, especially since they’re essentially the same age. Allen isn’t going anywhere and with all the CB/S hybrids on the team, it doesn’t make sense to pay starter money to three safeties. So, the question is, does Otogwe represent an upgrade over Mikell? Honestly, I don’t know.
Atogwe is a FS Mikell is a SS they would not be competing for the same job
They call me The Professor.
Sure, they are
FS and SS in this defense are basically the same position and obviously Otogwe wouldn’t come in as a replacement for Allen. Even if they did plan to start Otogwe at FS, they’ll use the threat of moving him to SS as a way to lower Mikell’s contract demands. Really, there’s no point in signing Otogwe unless they want him to play SS.
by Tracer Bullet on May 26, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
FS and SS in this defense are basically the same position
um please explain this.
They call me The Professor.
Johnson never used played a traditional in-the-box safety
That’s why Michael Lewis lost his job in Philadelphia but starts in San Francisco. Both safeties are asked to cover one-on-one and play deep coverage, as well as play in-the-box and occasionally blitz. It’s possible McDermott has a different philosophy.
by Tracer Bullet on May 26, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
FS and SS in this defense are basically the same position
I believed that up until last year, but I think if McDermott really rolled like that, Sean Jones would’ve played SS and Mikell FS a lot more. Johnson had Dawk and Mikell flip duties a lot because they could and to cover for Dawk in coverage as he got older, but I no longer think the roles are interchangable in the Eagles’ D. I’m not in the meetings though, I’m just guessing.
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FS and SS in this defense
In Jim Johnson’s defense, this statement might be true… Hate to tell everyone this, but we aren’t running Jim Johnson’s defense anymore… It is kind of disheartening that, for such a generally knowledgeable fanbase, a lot of people are casually overlooking this fact. It’s not a fluke that we basically overhauled the entire defense this offseason. McD basically got stuck in a tough situation last year. That whole offseason was spent with the thought that JJ would be running his defense, as always. McD stepped into a situation where he was trying to force someone else’s personnel into his scheme. I truly think this was why there was so much disconnect within that unit last year; along with the injuries of course.
I don’t want to beleaguer anyone here, but the point is that we can’t just simply make these blanket statements anymore until we give McD a full season to run his defense with the personnel he feels will be the most effective. Although you may see an homage to JJ’s defense here and there, I think we’ll see something fairly different now. Much more reliant on scheming within the secondary than we’re used to.
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
quote fail… should be the same quote as whodie and Keith
FS and SS in this defense are basically the same position
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
Lol. Better than my year hiatus…
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
by foos05 on May 26, 2010 4:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
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by jayfire137 on May 26, 2010 10:24 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Well, OJ was born in Ontario…
nyuk nyuk nyuk
by alcatraz0109 on May 26, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
montreal
is in Quebec
My "t" and "y" buttons are messed up so don't bitch at me about misspelling, I'm just saying.
by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on May 26, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I know
Ontario is in Canada too. Hence the semi-coincidental statement.
nyuk nyuk nyuk
by alcatraz0109 on May 26, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Lets not forget about the 3safety set that the eagles appeared to be very fond of in JJs last season. The possibilities dont intrigue me as much as the thomas/mays/mikell line I had dreamed about earlier in the offseason but Allen/Atogwe/Mikell could cause similar problems for opposing teams (especially if you want to continue this Allen playing CB/NB stuff).
VOID!!!
Otogwe gets turnovers
I don’t know if Mikell gets all that many. I’ve seen him drop enough INTs, but I don’t know how much playmaking he actually brings to the table.
classis shit with the photoshops.
As a Giants fan..I don’t give a crap if you sign dude…I think a lot of his stuff is “Johnny on the spot” type INT’s, tho he’ll probably be an upgrade.
I guess the Giants signing Rolle may have taken you out of this tho, that’s too much bread. And didn’t you draft Nate Allen to be the man amongst safeties?
I’d like to see him signed just to see more photoshops tho. I needed the Heimlich with that Canadians one
I think the complete ineptness at FS for us last year has a lot of people wanting to sign someone we know can play the position at a high level.
I have hope in Nate Allen, sure but I still remember the last year being a complete shit storm at FS and I don’t want a repeat.
The Atogwe photoshops won’t ever stop even if we don’t sign him it’s just to much fun.
They call me The Professor.
I really do think this secondary needs another playmaker and keep on trying to tell myself we have a shot at signing this guy… but… the more I actually think about it the more I become sure that we are not only going to miss out on him but that we are going to have to see him twice a year. The popular pick seems to be Dallas but I really think Washington is going to be out real competition. I think Dan Snyder is going to return to his ways and offer this guy every penny what rolle was offered.
VOID!!!
Not an option...
wow
If restricted free agents don’t sign their tenders by June 15, the team has the right to reduce its offer to 110 percent of the players’ 2009 base salary, and in Marshall’s case that would be $583,000.
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by NorthPhillyKid on May 26, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not exactly sure how all of this works
But whats stopping the Eagles from signing him to an offer sheet?
does this article have a bunch of supportList garbledy goop for anyone else???
Mine looks like this……
<!--[if !supportLists]-->1) <!--[endif]-->The Rams will sign Atogwe to a long term deal.
<!--[if !supportLists]-->2) <!--[endif]-->The Rams will pay Atogwe $6.976 million for the 2010 season.
<!--[if !supportLists]-->3) <!--[endif]-->Atogwe will become an unrestricted free agent.
so far most of ByeDawk errrr JimmyK’s posts look like this since the name change? Anyone have any explinations for these articles looking like this? Do I need a new flash player up date or patch or something? Jimmy’s work is to good to not be able to read it in all it’s orginally intended splendor. Thanks in advance for any suggestions or help on this one.
Loooooook here brotha'.....who you jivein' with that Cosmic Debris!!!???
Hmmm... interesting
I’ve been typing them in Word and then copying and pasting into the site. Perhaps that has something to do with it. If you’re getting the gobbledy gook, then I’m sure others are too. Thanks for the heads up.
Formerly Bye, Dawk :(
No worries partner,
I honestly thought that you were using some new fangled technology and that my piece of crap computer wasnt up to the task
Loooooook here brotha'.....who you jivein' with that Cosmic Debris!!!???
Today's the day
Well, tomorrow. And I wouldn’t have been excited for it if not for this thread.
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