Comparing the Eagles to their NFC East rivals (QB's and WR's/TE's)...

http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2010/5/10/1466554/why-kevyn-klob-isnt-good

The maclyn sux guy is back LOLOL

Quaterback:
1. Cowboys
2. Giants
3. Eagles
4. Redskins

Wide Recievers:
1. Eagles
2. Cowboys
3. Giants
4. Redskins

Tight End:
1. Dallas
2. Eagles
3. Redskins
4. Giants

celek is not on wittens level .. not even close .. and id take the cowboys wrs over ours .. Dez is a bonafide number 1 .. hes a stud .. Dez > Maclin … austin and jackson are equal .. Roy williams is good . hes certainly better than avant ..and only a biased eagles fan would rather have avant than williams

One thing that at least needs to be mentioned is Ingram.
I know i know, he has had to ACL tears in 2 years, but still, just look at the man.

He is a BEAST. I have high hopes for him once he becomes healthy. And if the Eagles use a bunch of 2 TE formations, especially in the red zone, the could be beyond lethal.

well they didn’t have Cooley last year. Cooley AND Fred Davis, probably makes the best 2 (proven at least) TE tandem in the NFL.

Devin Thomas and Santana Moss were decent last year, but how much of that team’s WR Teh suck was cuz of Campbell’s sun dial release and the OL being a sieve?

I don’t think stats tell you how the Redskins passing game will be. Especially since your boy Mcnabb is now the QB.

Yes..I just talked up the Redskins.

How do you possibly say that Jackson is better than Austin, because Austin hasn’t proved it more than a year… but then you talk about Maclin’s ability.

Austin had those stats in 12 starts… 12. The only starts of his career. And his numbers DWARF Jackson. The Cowboys completely shut Jackson down, twice. There’s no way you can realistically say that Jackson is better except for bias. I’d take Maclin over Roy Willy, most definitely… but Maclin over Bryant? No way. Avant over Roy? No way.

Witten is 100x a better blocking tight end than Brent Celek, has been a prolific pass catcher for 5+ years. And when I say better, it’s not even close. Witten’s run blocking is actually Not to take away from Celek’s ability, because he is quite impressive, but seriously… better than Witten? only if you don’t know football. Brent Celek isn’t even a top 10 TE when factors other than pass catching are considered.

His percent caught (out of times targeted) is very pedestrian… in other words, he had so many targets how could he not have big stats. Celek was, by far, one of the worst run blocking TE’s in the game.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/by_position.php?tab=by_position&season=2009&pos=TE&stype=r&runpass=&teamid=-1&numsnaps=25&numgames=1

Romo has the 2nd best passer rating in the history of the league. Yes, Manning won a title over a potentially all-time great foe, but let’s not forget he tried to give the game to the Pats if your Asante Samuels wasn’t butterfingers and let the winning interception slip through his hands. If you move to advanced stats, the Cowboys passing game had an EPV TWICE as effective of their opponents… Romo is CLEARLY the class quarterback of this division.

Now, how well our coaches put all of these great pieces together is another story. But if you are just going to rank talent position by position, there’s not much you can realistically do to take the skill position Cowboys off the top of each list.

I actually had to read this Kevin

Kevin Kolb, Donavan McNabb, Eli Manning and Tony Romo

I dunno about the TE’s though. Celek is very good and he’s utilized very well as a blocker and receiver, but I just don’t think he’s on Wittens level yet. Witten is just too clutch in all aspects of his game he can do it all. I would also give the edge to the Skins over us (Giants), simply because they actually know how to use their TE’s in the passing game, but if Boss saw more targets he’d be right up there with the rest of them cuz he’s a workhorse and has excellent hands.
TE’s
1. Witten
2. Celek
3. Cooley
4. Boss

Cowboys have no proven WR’s. Dez is a rookie, Williams is horse-shit and Austins had 1 good year.

I’m giving the Edge to the Eagles, Although Celek had less receptions and yards than Witten he had 4 times the TD total.

We’re talking about 2 players in their breakout years, but in one hand the player in your team is an already established player and one of the best in the League, while in the other hand the other guy is probably just a guy…

Uhmmm, does hope have anything to do with your ranking?

Using the logic applied in the case of Austin, there’s no way in which Celek should be ranked above Witten AND Cooley, because Cooley is an established and extremely good veteran.

If you’re going to make a ranking, you should at least try to be consistent with the use of your logic.

QB
NY- He’s gotta a ring, and doesn’t suck that bad
Dal- I hate to admit it, but Romo doesn’t suck either
Was-McNabb isn’t much of an upgrade over Campbell, but still takes care of the ball. He wasn’t the reason we loss many games, but wasn’t the reason we won games either.
Phi-I love Kolb, he will be the best of the bunch, but hasn’t played enough games or proved he is better than any of the other QBs. He is a good system guy, and will likely succeed. Put he’s gotta prove it. Right now, he is the 4th QB in the division. He will finish the year higher though.

WR
Phi- Jack and Mac are awsome, and Avant is good. Also.. Riley, Hall, will be good reserves.
Dal-Austin,Bryant, Williams, the first 2 scare me, and Williams isn’t a bad WR, he just isn’t probowler. Don’t forget that Crayton is still on the bench. Very physical WR corp. Very, very good crew.
NY-Smith, Nicks, Manningham- I really like Nicks, Smith is OK at best, he just benefited from being a primary target, he is a good number 2 WR. Manningham is OK. NY WR crop is vastly improved, and is no longer a liability, but they are not dangerous at all. But still a good group.
Was-Thomas, Moss, Kelly- Very talented (on paper at least), but under acheiving group. I think they have potential to be OK, but at this point, they are loaded with disappointments. Not only are the worst in the division, this may be one of the worst groups in all of football. But, they ability is there, just hasn’t panned out yet.

TE
Dal- Whitten- Need we say more
Phi-Celek- We all love him, also don’t forget about Ingram and Harbor. Should be number 1 by end of year
Was-Davis/Cooley- Cooley’s production has declined, and Davis is average.
NY-Boss is a standard NFL Tight end. Nothing special

After averaging the ratings. This is how it stands.
Dal
Phil
NY
Was

QB
NY
Dal
Was
Phi

WR
Phi
Dal
NY
Was

TE
Dal
Phi
Was
NY

OL
NY
Phi
Dal
Was

RB
Dal
Phil
NY
Was

Final Offensive Ranking
Dal average 1.8
Phil average 2.2
NY average 2.4
Was average 3.6

Our lowest Ranking was Kolb, as good as he can be, he gotta be better than either McNabb, Romo, or Manning. Thats a tough group to be better than.

Best:
QB: Romo
RB: Jacobs (by default) I can’t put a second year guy here. And Barber is on a steeper decline than Brandon. I’m guessing next year it will be between FJones and Shady.
WR: Austin. DJax is ten time more explosive. But doesn’t offer the big target Austin does.
TE: Celek. If we’re talking blocking than its Witten. But as far as receiving TE it is Celek.
OL: There was so much injury across the board last year ranking them would be silly.

I actually think Maclin will put up the best numbers this year out of all the Beast wr’s. Not Maclyn but his better twin Maclin.

i don’t know why the Giants wide outs get underrated by so many, because they are a top 5 trio, just based on the numbers. forget if you’ve never seen them play, the numbers alone spell it out for you. one guy with 1200 yards, another with 800, and one who just barely missed 800. and all got in the endzone5 or more times. i’ll continue to say that we have the best wideouts in the BEast, until proven otherwise.

don’t get me wrong, the Eagles 1-2 will be good, and when you throw Celek in there, there even more dangerous. but just going off of wideouts alone, the talent drops off drastically from Maclin to Avant. i know you guys are all about Avant, but i’ve seen many Eagle games, and he’s not once impressed, or stood out to me. and the fact that he had numbers comparable to my TEs tells me that he’s not on Manningham’s level yet. great hands, yes. that doesn’t really help you if you’re not open enough to warrant less than 50 catches. good receiver, yes. good receiving corp, absolutely. better than our 3? no.

and as for the Boys, well let’s be honest here. Roy Williams is a pure bust, i don’t care what his numbers say. how many times have we all, as Giant, Eagle, AND Boys fans watched this man drop passes? he plays like he is 5’9" sometimes. i will take any of my guys, and your guys, before i’d take Williams on my team. and that comes from someone who really got nervous when they traded for him, and had him lined up across from TO. his rep was drastically overstated, and i think we all see that now.

as for the rest of the Cowboys, i myself am sold on Miles, he proved to me he has talent. he is a true number one. but after that, i’m not afraid yet. everyone is saying Dez Bryant, Dez Bryant. and yes, i think he’s gonna be a stud too. but until that man steps onto a professional football field, and proves it, i’m not putting him as the X factor that makes the boys the better trio of receivers. Especially when he’s backing up Roy dropsies Williams. no way. Giants easily have the better trio.

btw, i think McNabb will make some of these receivers look much better this year. he’s done more with less, so i wouldn’t be surprised if a Devin Thomas is a name we mention more and more around here.

Excellent assessment, wild_eagle. Although I’d put McNabb ahead of Kolb for now, that could easily change because of the Skins’ o-line.

Dead on with the receivers. Everybody’s talking about how great Dez Bryant will be, but until I see him, I’m going to hold my judgement. He’s a rookie.

What do you get when you cross Miles Austin, Roy Williams, and Dez Bryant? A hope, a fail, and a prayer.

will be much more heralded than Jackson-Maclin-Avant or Smith-Nicks-Manningham.

book it.

williams = horse shit i was cracking up

What would you rather have, Roy williams, or jason Avant, your 1st, 3rd, and 5th round picks?

I’ve just been running into some snags in reasearch and a close family friend had a heat stroke today so I was going to finish it today but we’ll see how it goes.

Romo’s got better mobility and will have better receivers this year.
The fact that both of them are above Kolb is disheartening, but I guess that’s why they call it preseason.