Philadelphia Eagles Game Changing Offseason Moves: Let's Teach Mike Kafka to hold
by JasonB on May 1, 2010 9:38 AM EDT
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An idea popped up in the comments a few days ago that I'm totally on board with. If I remember right, Alon, first had the idea so credit where credit is due for this one...
Why not starting teaching Mike Kafka to hold for field goals right now?
For this season, with Mike Vick all but guaranteed to be here as a backup, Kafka will be the 3rd QB and isn't likely to be active for any games. But next year, when Vick is gone Kakfa is probably the odds on favorite to be the backup. If all goes according to plan and Kevin Kolb is the franchise QB for the next 6 years then Kafka is going to be around for a while and isn't going to play that much. So why not let him become the next Koy Detmer? With a quarterback holding there's always the chance that he could pull off an effective fake. I don't think anyone is going to trust current holder Sav Rocca to stand up and throw a pass. A QB like Kafka actually could, plus he can run a little.
There's a decent chance that this is Rocca's last year, if he even makes the team this year... So the team is going to need a new holder in the near future anyway. Why not take whatever time they can to start drilling him on how to hold for kicks? By next season he should be ready to take over as the backup and the holder.
So we're starting the campaign today. Teach Kafka to hold! Let's see if we can get a member of the local media to ask the question of Andy at a press conference. I might have a few connections with the Eagles soon where I could possibly get the question asked... This campaign will run concurrently with our ongoing efforts to have Koy Detmer be the first holder inducted into the pro football hall of fame.
So what do you think? Does this make sense?
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Agreed...
I think it’s an excellent idea. Get him in the routine…
by 92-74-99-96 on May 1, 2010 10:33 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Wow I didnt know Christian Bale played for the Eagles
"I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care. "
by midnitegreen on May 1, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Hmm I never watched Lost, yes I know, I live under a rock
"I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care. "
by midnitegreen on May 1, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, here you go than.
Cut off the long hair and I think we have a perfect match.
Brent Celek > Chuck Norris
i honestly miss him...
he brought a flair to the game that couldn’t be matched. granted, he was a lousy quarterback, but that finger whip he would do was fantastic.
The fact that he only brought 1 set of clothes and a toothbrush with him on the road was what set old neckbeard apart for me.
They call me The Professor.
by Whodie126 on May 1, 2010 1:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
man, he used to look homless.
I wanted to put a dollar in his hat while he was on the bench. All he needed was a pair of tattered woven gloves, and a heavy scarf.
In Kolb we trust
Definately.
Filth, I haven’t seen you in a while. You were a regular during the season. Coming out of hibernation?
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
NOTE: Disregard anything said by RPPisback.
When I play madden vick is my holder, and I do quick passes to celek or run with vick to the corner of the end zone, just saying, it would be cool to see in real life
by iBLEEDGREEN#10 on May 1, 2010 9:55 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
It would be cool, but...
The field goal kicking unit of kicker, snapper, and holder is a delicate balance. It takes them a while to get in sync and the slightest variation could mean a missed field goal. With Vick almost certainly gone next year, it wouldn’t be the best idea for Akers to have three different holders over three seasons.
by Bob_Q on May 1, 2010 10:32 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I was gonna say the same thing.
Althought I haven’t played Madden in a while, I always put the QB (not starting) with the best accuracy, and Celek on the outside for fakes/ hot routes.
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
NOTE: Disregard anything said by RPPisback.
No offense, but Madden isn't real life
If it was, I would have gotten busy with every cheerleader the Eagles had since 1995. Of course, excluding Swoop.
Sometimes it's just fun to take the family for a spin around the lake in the old boat. Even if it's not your family or your boat, and they're screaming for you to stop.
by Baron Dainer Von Tresvant on May 1, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Great idea
I’ve always wondered why teams don’t have either a backup QB or the 5th WR as the holder.
Only if Kafka agrees to grow a cool neck beard
Neck beards are essential for effective holders.
It almost seems funny to have him apprentice this season to be a holder for next season, but we’ve seen how holding can affect a kicker on field goals. I like it as long as Kafka shows you he can play a little QB as well. You don’t want to be in a situation where you lose your starting QB in the first quarter and you are forced to go 3 quarters with a guy who is truly a 3rd stringer.
Sometimes it's just fun to take the family for a spin around the lake in the old boat. Even if it's not your family or your boat, and they're screaming for you to stop.
by Baron Dainer Von Tresvant on May 1, 2010 6:06 PM EDT reply actions
Maybe in 2011
Kafka should get used to our offense and the terminology first and maybe become our holder next year. Im def all for having quarterbacks be holders, but how about Vick? You want to talk about a threat for a fake well here you go. But the main thing to realize is you want someone incredibly reliable holding kicks because every point counts in the NFL.
by MidwesternEaglesfan on May 1, 2010 8:06 PM EDT reply actions
How would this work with roster considerations? Would it be like when Vick dressed as our 3rd QB and we lost another special teamer or backup?
by phillies fan in bowie on May 1, 2010 10:09 PM EDT reply actions
Vick wouldn't be dressed as our 3rd QB
Vick would be dressed as someone eligible, like a utility player or RB or something. We would lose another special teamer / backup from the active roster, in exchange.
Good idea
Frankly I am looking forward to what April brings to the team & some of the decisions he makes on special teams.
Would like him to learn the offense
I would like Kafka to have the same opportunity as Kolb to learn the offense. If we can continue to train up quaterbacks potentially as good as Kolb we may have power to trade them like the Patriots did with Matt Cassel. And Kolb was worth a 1st round pick, but McNabb was worth a 2nd round. GO E-A-G-L-E-S
Prefer someone else
I assume the reason for a specialized long snapper, kicker and punter is to have all of them practice together while the rest of the team works on other tasks.
Maybe a few years ago before schemes were so complex it would make sense. Akers will not be here forever either. Rocca would still be preferred and from he’s Aussie days he can actually catch. Not sure about Brooks but he was supposedly a decent athlete.
If the punter competion becomes unknown then I think Avant makes the most sense. He has great hands, knows the offensive completely (so could miss some practice time and still catch up), and is signed for 5 more years.
to answer you question
So what do you think? Does this make sense?
I was with you right up until you said Detmer should be in HOF for holding. WTF??
I am not a fan,
If Kafka is holding, that means we have to put him as number 2. and would be keeping Vick as 3rd string @ 5 mil/ year. This would cost us a roster spot that would be better used on a special team player. Sorry, I’m not on board with this one, only because of the roster space being sacrificed.
In Kolb we trust
I retract my statement. I read again, you are talking about next year.
All on board with this :)
In Kolb we trust
i like it
by all means teach kafka to hold… that said, how hard can it be??? i do see the point about burning a roster spot however… if he does move up to the #2 qb it makes perfect sense… at least let him learn how!!!!!
by Elmo the faithful fan on May 3, 2010 2:21 PM EDT reply actions
Bad idea.
If he’s the holder, he has to be activated on game day, which means that Vick is the emergency QB and, if the emergency QB enters the game before the 4th quarter, the starter is done for the day. In your scenario, Kolb leads the team down the field for a TD, Kafta holds for the EP, and Kolb sits down.
Alternatively, you burn three game day spots for your QBs.
This is not true, it’s only true if you declare Vick the emergency QB if they were to use them in this situation he would be given an active roster spot.
The 3rd QB is not automatically the emergency QB is was added so that teams could suit up 3 QBs without using an active roster spot. If you want to play all 3 interchangeably you just have to add all three to the active roster.
They call me The Professor.
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