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I listened to both D.C. Sports Talk stations in drive time today out of curiosity. I thought those of us who'd closely watched McNabb for 11 years would get a kick out of some of the things I heard callers & the hosts say:

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1. He's a great leader.

This was said over and over and over again; They LOVED the air guitar. LaVar mentioned it specifically. In fairness, Jim Zorn and Jason Campbell were two of the more meek dudes you'll see on an NFL field, so it's a leadership upgrade. And I always thought McNabb's being loose was a sign of poise, that he was prepared and ready to brush off adversity. But to hear McNabb portrayed as someone who will command the huddle and whip Portis and Haynesworth into shape was interesting. On one hand, he's accomplished a lot in this game and other players respect him. He handles himself well. But "leadership," however you define it, was not something that many Eagles fans -- even those who loved the guy -- particularly considered a strong suit. Was it?


2. He's the kind of guy that when you need a score, he gets you a score.

This was said by a fan who called in and sounded like a joker, but made some other good points, honestly. Perhaps after years of failing in a lot of close games, going back to the Gibbs era really, they have a different definition of "clutch." I can think of some times when McNabb led key scores, against Green Bay on MNF, a couple times this year. The comeback against Arizona, even though that game is also cited by his detractors as one where he failed ... Most of us Eagles fans appreciated McNabb's overall body of work, but "when you need a score, he gets you a score" isn't something many of us would say. Either the guy who said that (and hosts didn't dispute) doesn't watch a ton of football, or he formed that opinion by adding the fact that the Eagles have been good for years under McNabb and his fanboy excitedness, and got that.

3. He's one of the top 3 or 4 QBs in the league.

To be fair, on one show the hosts said he was in the tier below elite, aka very good, which is accurate. But someone came out of their mouth and said top 3. Personally I wouldn't rather have had anyone over the past 11 seasons than McNabb except for Brady and Peyton Manning, but ... let's just say most of us consider him top 10 these days but not top 5.

ALSO: One guy called to voice concern about his completion percentage declining.

And Theismann thinks he'll feel the love in D.C. in a way he never did in Philly; Look, we might be hard on our athletes, but when they feel the love, they feel it. Ask Iverson how he feels about Philly. ... Until recently, I thought Redskins fans thought the Redskins could do no wrong and would back any move they make, but they raised hell this year. And 33% of the people in a poll I saw actually didn't like the McNabb move for them.

I'm guessing the folks who see McNabb as a top 3 QB who's clutch and a vocal locker room presence were in the 67%. Funny how things look from the other perspective.

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lol, top 3 top 4.

He is probably not even into top 10 qb in the league…

by FireTheWalrus on Apr 5, 2010 6:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Let's see...

These are way better.

Brees
Rivers
Rodgers
Roethlisberger
Manning
Romo
Brady

These are in his “group”.

Sanchez
Flacco
Manning Jr
Favre

by FireTheWalrus on Apr 5, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Romo is NOT Way better, id put him in his group.

"Nothing can stop the man with the right mental attitude from achieving his goal; nothing on earth can help the man with the wrong mental attitude."
-Thomas Jefferson

by Kalifornia-Dreamin on Apr 5, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Romo is like 100% more accurate.

by FireTheWalrus on Apr 5, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, hard to admit but yes he is

eff you we winning anyway
A.I. IS BACKKKKKKK

by eagleswin on Apr 5, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sanchez?

I’ll eat my foot if Sanchez is anywhere near the same level as McNabb, even if McNabb isn’t top 10.

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!

by alcatraz0109 on Apr 5, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fuck, I'll name a bunch of QBs who you didn't mention that I'd take over Sanchez

Matt Ryan, Jason Campbell, Jay Cutler, Carson Palmer, Kevin Kolb. And maybe I’m missing a couple.

Sanchez is waaaay overrated. Even if he got to the AFC CG, he didn’t take them there, the best D in the league and Jones/Greene did.

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!

by alcatraz0109 on Apr 5, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well if I get to pick between them right now I pick Sanchez honestly.

by FireTheWalrus on Apr 5, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

So you want a QB with a 63.0 rating, 20 picks vs. 12 TDs in 364 attempts, and a 53% completion percentage, all of which with a receiving corps that wasn’t bad (Braylon, Cotchery, Keller, Stuckey, Clowney)?

Actually, after looking that up, I submit Orton, Garrard, and VY to that list.

Seriously, make me a convincing argument that Sanchez is better than any of the Ryan/Campbell/Cutler/Palmer/Orton group.

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!

by alcatraz0109 on Apr 5, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Favre is better than McNabb and fuck you for making me type that.

They call me The Professor.

by Whodie126 on Apr 5, 2010 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tier 1
Tom Brady
Peyton Manning
Aaron Rodgers
Drew Brees

Tier 2
Philip Rivers
Bret Favre
Matt Schaub
Donovan McNabb

You could even make the argument that Eli Manning, Carson Palmer, Big Ben are better then Don is AT THIS STAGE.

"Nothing can stop the man with the right mental attitude from achieving his goal; nothing on earth can help the man with the wrong mental attitude."
-Thomas Jefferson

by Kalifornia-Dreamin on Apr 5, 2010 6:24 PM EDT reply actions  

The thing is..

Big Ben is better than Donovan. Ben led the Steelers to a couple of Super Bowl wins is less years than Mcnabb was on the Eagles.

eff you we winning anyway
A.I. IS BACKKKKKKK

by eagleswin on Apr 5, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ben is clutch, aka way better than McNabb.

by FireTheWalrus on Apr 5, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

True, my mistake.

"Nothing can stop the man with the right mental attitude from achieving his goal; nothing on earth can help the man with the wrong mental attitude."
-Thomas Jefferson

by Kalifornia-Dreamin on Apr 5, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eli Manning, though....

I would never put in front of McNabb. No way Eli has been or will be better than Mcnabb

eff you we winning anyway
A.I. IS BACKKKKKKK

by eagleswin on Apr 5, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its a close call, and then again Eli has a ring didnt he? :)

by FireTheWalrus on Apr 5, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes.

I considered that. But that is the only thing he has in his career so far. :)

eff you we winning anyway
A.I. IS BACKKKKKKK

by eagleswin on Apr 5, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

So does Trent Dilfer.

The ring isn’t always the answer.

by NOLACuse on Apr 6, 2010 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

well strictly as a player

yes, he is. However with all the shit Bens done off the field, i would take McNabb over him. Bens a distraction now to his whole team.

In 20 We Trust

by Lyons81 on Apr 5, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha, but it came AFTER they won two super bowls with him.

by Route36 on Apr 5, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I refuse to cheer for a rapist

I’ll take a dog killer 100 times over before I’ll ever cheer for a guy I’m convinced rapes women.

by AZ Eagle on Apr 5, 2010 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll be happy with a terrorist as QB if he can bring that stupid trophy to philly.

Ben is clutch, being there done that…exactly the opposite of McNabb.

Its not even close.

by FireTheWalrus on Apr 5, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you really think a Super bowl winning Pro-Bowl QB would rape a woman? Come on now. He fucked some girl in a club and she is using him to get paid. It’s called blackmailing.

by Route36 on Apr 5, 2010 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're right

Rich, successful, famous athletes never do anything wrong.

I Am Better Than Jack Who Some Fool Thinks Is Better Than Asante (IABTJWSFTIBTA)

36-5-20-JJ Bleeding Green Forever

by DeSean10 on Apr 5, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

If the glove doesn’t fit, you must acquit!

I am the people's troll :3™

by yomjoseki on Apr 5, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha, I never said that. I said “rape”.

by Route36 on Apr 5, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I really don't know

I didn’t think he did at first either, but I’m kinda undecided now. The whole “possy member blocking the bathroom door” deal is weird.

I Am Better Than Jack Who Some Fool Thinks Is Better Than Asante (IABTJWSFTIBTA)

36-5-20-JJ Bleeding Green Forever

by DeSean10 on Apr 5, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Big Ben didn't do shit in the first super bowl win

Seriously he played awful. He had less touchdown passes than Antwan Randle El.

The second one he was clutch as Joe Montana though, can’t argue with that

GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!

by tanman5 on Apr 6, 2010 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

you put rodgers in the top 5 ?!?!?!?

dude puff puff GIVE MUFUCKA

"It was a matter of pride. You want to put that (opponent) on his back, that’s the name of the game. These (players) today are out there playing pitty-pat."
Chuck Bednarik

by northern eagle on Apr 5, 2010 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rodgers is fucking good

And he’s going to be great. If people are right in comparing Kolb to Rodgers, we are going to be really good for a while

GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!

by tanman5 on Apr 6, 2010 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tier 1

KEVIN KOLB … nuff said (crosses fingers) XD

"I think pro athletes should be forced to use steroids. I think we as fans deserve the greatest athletes science can create."- Daniel Tosh

If Football Had A Church , Brian Dawkins Would Be My Preacher. -NPK
Creator of "Jibta" - NPK

by NorthPhillyKid on Apr 5, 2010 6:43 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

And Theismann thinks he’ll feel the love in D.C. in a way he never did in Philly;

Im guessing they forgot about this little incident. And I know that its only a couple redskins fans, but Im gonna give them they Philly treatment and take a small percent of the fan base and say they represent all of them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVEWO_rv-S4&feature=PlayList&p=B7B3DCBC3E0CC7D6&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=6

"I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care. "

by midnitegreen on Apr 5, 2010 7:25 PM EDT reply actions  

WOW

and WERE the fans with a bad rep…..unbelievable

"It was a matter of pride. You want to put that (opponent) on his back, that’s the name of the game. These (players) today are out there playing pitty-pat."
Chuck Bednarik

by northern eagle on Apr 5, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

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