Did the Eagles get fair value for Sheldon Brown?
by JasonB on Apr 3, 2010 10:45 AM EDT
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PrintA interesting discussion on what Sheldon Brown's value is has popped up in the trade thread, but since that's hundreds of comments long and about a lot of stuff... I figured it would be worth singling out the discussion on value.
First, what is the value of Sheldon Brown in trade to the rest of the league? There has been one other notable trade of a corner this offseason, the Chargers sending Antonio Cromartie to the Jets for a 3rd round pick. Cromartie is coming off a down year, but he's still 25 years old. He's got rare size for a corner, sub 4.4 speed, is a former pro bowler, and led the NFL in picks in 2007. His game isn't without warts as he's probably a sub Asante level tackler... but it's still probably fair to call him one of the most promising young corners in the league. He was also in the last year of his contract.
So, if a 25 year old former pro bowler was worth a 3rd round pick... what is Sheldon Brown worth? Well, he's 31 years old and coming off a very solid season where he started off very well but struggled late thanks to injuries. Brown is a great tackler, but is probably best described as an average cover corner. If you could point to his biggest weakness, it's that he gets beat deep. He's an ironman who never misses games and is generally a very consistent presence. An above average player by most measures.He's never made a pro bowl, but turned down an alternate invite this year. Brown has been disgruntled about his contract for the past couple seasons and requested a trade last offseason.
I don't think anyone can say that in terms of trade value, Sheldon Brown is worth more than Antonio Cromartie. The youth alone makes Cromartie more valueable in terms of a trade, but his size and superior "glamour stats(INTS)" certainly help as well. If the base value here is Cromartie at a 3rd round value, then that would make Sheldon's value at least a notch below. When you consider that a trade for Brown is also probably contingent on a big new contract... that might push his value down a bit as well.
We continue after the jump.
The one issue with this trade that makes it tough to evaluate is that Brown wasn't the only part of the trade and the Eagles didn't get a single pick in return. Chris Gocong was part of the package and they got two picks and player in return. However, even if the return for Sheldon was only the 4th round pick... it's still probably a fair market value deal. In all likelihood a little more of the total value came in return for Sheldon because Gocong may not even have been worth a 5 alone... but again it's hard to say. Cavorting Eagle summarized a few of the reports about what was traded for what in this fanpost.
Either way, the Eagles did get fair market value in return for Sheldon Brown. It's very unlikely that a better deal was out there. That said, the ability to get fair market value for a player isn't the only factor that makes a player worth trading.
Was Sheldon worth keeping around anyway? That partly depends on whether they thought he'd become a bigger problem this year. Last year he complained about his contract and requested a trade, but still went to training camp and didn't make a big issue of it during the season. Would he have been satisfied to do the same for another year?
On the other side though, it's not as if the Eagles secondary is full of talent and Brown can easily be replaced. Unlike when Brown & Sheppard were waiting in the wings when Bobby Taylor & Troy Vincent were sent packing, there really is no heir apparent ready to step in for Sheldon. Joselio Hanson & Ellis Hobbs are both guys with starting experience, but they aren't going to excite anyone. There's kids like Dimitri Patterson or maybe even Macho Harris(who was a corner in college) but neither were top picks or blue chip talent. So if the Eagles do draft a young corner with a pick this year, he won't have the benefit of sitting behind a good veteran for a year. He could very well be asked to start from day one.
Letting Sheldon go is in some ways like letting Dawkins go. If the team thinks that it was their to leave that's fine... but typically the team has a guy lined up to take the place of the veteran and in these two instances they don't seem to have done that.
As with a lot of these moves, I think it's important that we wait to see the other shoe drop. If August rolls around and the Eagles tell us how great Joselio Hanson is and how he's our starter... I'll be pretty disappointed. However, if they swung a trade for a corner or drafted a top guy, well then maybe trading away Sheldon wasn't so bad.
A lot of people panicked when the Eagles let Tra Thomas walk. When the other shoe dropped on that move, Jason Peters was your new LT. Of course, people panicked when Dawkins left and the other shoe still hasn't dropped on that one...
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I'm ok with the trade
The Eagles are going young and any player on the downside of their career is getting moved out.
Taking a step back and looking at it the way it is written here I agree
Having thought about it I think we got value for Brown. I hate to see him go. My biggest issue, which was pointed out here, is what do we do at corner? I am not panicking because it is too early to do that, but still. We either need to draft a corner early or trade for a good one. If we draft one we’ll be dealing with some growing pains.
Go Eagles!
Unless we somehow get 10 first and second round picks in this year's draft...
…there’s no way we can fill the holes and have players who can contribute this season.
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
the way i see it...
we probably should have gotten a 3rd rounder for brown and a 6th rounder for gocong. instead, we got a 4th rounder and a 5th rounder for both.
3 + 6 = 9 and 9/2 = 4.5
4 + 5 = 9 and 9/2 = 4.5
so the mathematic value works out in the end. that’s all i need.
haha
i’ll give you a 3rd and a 4th for 1st and a 6th.
3 +4 = 7 and 7/2 = 3.5
1 + 6 = 7 and 7/2 = 3.5
I’ve also got this bridge…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rB7ahaqeJM
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by NorthPhillyKid on Apr 4, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Good points Jason
The onyly thing i disagree with is Sheldon being an average cover corner. I think hes top 10 easy
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
Good post Jason
I think this’ll help bring Eagles fans back from the edge of the cliff (myself included).
When I first heard the rumor that Sheldon and Chris were being sent to the Browns, my mind started racing. I was actually excited about the deal. I do think it was time to trade Sheldon, but I was excited because I started thinking that we might get a guy like D’Qwell Jackson and a pick or Eric Wright and a pick in return. When I heard it was for a couple of mid round picks and a former 7th round LB who I never heard of, I was pretty disappointed.
But when you step back from it and break it down, I think the Eagles got pretty fair value.
Sheldon will be missed by all of us, but I’m excited for the future.
Well I think people are getting caught up in what is fair value and what did this team need?
The Eagles got fair value for Brown and Gocong. There is no question in that. But I think what makes so many hate this trade is that we gave away a starting corner and a back up LB for a back up LB and two picks that alone won’t help us find a replacement this season for Brown. And allowing Hobbs to compete and possibly win the 2nd starting corner job doesn’t make anyone else feel better.
So did the Eagles get fair value? Yes.
Did the Eagles improve their team? Not with this deal alone.
fatandy
if there’s one thing i put trust in big red, it’s manipulating picks. this team sometimes wastes picks, but they don’t often EF them up. i have a feeling this move will end up working out for the guys in green. maybe the 5th rounder and our 2nd rounder will end up being a top-15 pick that we’ll spend on a corner, then use our own 1st rounder on the O-line. that makes sense to me. bottom line is, when they start it up next fall, i think our corner situation will be settled and we’ll all be happy about it, or at least optimistic…
by PHIGHTINPHILS on Apr 3, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
OK
THIS IS MY PROBLEM WITH EAGLES FANS
The off season ISNT OVER, the draft isn’t here yet. So what makes you think we’re not going to do something to replace Sheldon?
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
I agree with you. That is why I said at the end “Not with this deal alone.” I think this deal was just a piece in a larger puzzle. They got some picks so they can wheel and deal. But I was simply pointing out why most people are pissed. They don’t like this deal as a stand alone but if you factor it in with what will probably come after then in the end it will most likely all make sense.
yes agreed
its just a part of the puzzle and the puzzle isnt done yet but so many fans just dont get that
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
Doubtful at best.
We replaced Tra Thomas with a turnstile and B-Dawk with two slow imbeciles. I have lost the faith in fatandy.
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
Tra Thomas's last season was worse than Jason Peters
was this past season. Not to mention Peters is young and now has a year under his belt in our system.
peters
peters is good .. but thomas was great .. ppl dont realize how good thomas was .. i put him up there with the best tackles of the decade with guys like pace, ogden, walter jones and samuels .. everyone gives credit to runyan .. runyan was above average with a mean streak .. he never was great like tra .. take heremans and add a little talent and a mean streak and there u go .. but herremans is another average lineman eagles seem to love .. runyan wasnt bad .. he was good starter .. but hes like a chad clifton, flozell adams, jon jansen .. those type of guys .. good tackles .. not dominant .. tra was dominant
by jack is better than asante on Apr 3, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Tra was great
No doubt, but there was a reason he was let go. He had a dominant career but it was clear it was coming to an end after 2008.
Exactly
Peters was a beast on the run, showed flashes of that BIG time last year. Give him some time, and I have no doubt we’ll be fine at LT. We just have to utilize his strengths, and I think the signing of Weaver and Bell show that confidence.
McNabb and our new 5th rounder to Oakland for Namdi.
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by layout ultimate on Apr 3, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
i think that they got good value for him, i am just a little disturbed that all of a sudden there is another hole to fill. i am becoming less optimistic about our team having a good year this year. it could happen, but there are way too many questions to be answered and it looks like they could be answered in the draft. filling holes with rookies does not always bring instant success. this is a good down-the-road move but the immediate future is looking kinda bleak
Hell yeah.
Jack is definately better than Asante.
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
McNabb and a 4th round pick for Nnamdi and their 2nd round pick. We need another 2nd round pick so we can draft either another linebacker or corner.
by MidwesternEaglesfan on Apr 3, 2010 10:25 AM EDT reply actions
I think you asked the wrong questions, JasonB
The 25 year old Cromartie, with only 1 more year on his existing contract, was worth a 3rd round pick. Was the return devalued because he only had 1 year remaining before he hit FA?
Who was the better CB last year, Cromartie or Brown? Cromartie probably has the edge in pure coverage ability but Brown can actually tackle… I admit that I don’t know which was the better all around player. Can we fairly say that the two are on par in terms of performance?
Because if we can say that, than the only disadvantage in trying to trade Brown is his age. He’s under contract for 3 more years and from what I’ve heard about his deal with the Browns his new contract doesn’t add more years, it just creates more guaranteed money.
So the real question here is, do we expect Brown’s performance to fall off a cliff in the next two seasons? The risk is there… but if you don’t think that’s going to happen than Brown is at least as valuable a trade chip as Cromartie because he’s already signed for the next two seasons at a much lower price than it will take for the Jets to hold on to Cromartie for the same length of time.
The monster at the end of this blog.
Yes
exactly, its all about age. There is little market for a 31 year old CB. who would want to give up a SECOND rounder who has a 50% chance of being a good player for the next 8-10 years over a guy who could be shot the next season and has an increased injury risk
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
Except...
We’ve heard reports that the Eagles did receive a fair amount of interest in Sheldon Brown. There was a trade market for him. But you ask a valid question: Who would want to give up a 2nd round pick for a CB they’d only have guaranteed control of for 1 year? The answer: Not many.
Plus, and I realize I’m in the minority on this issue, I think Gocong had value. I thought he was a solid SAM under Johnson and I don’t think McDermott really had any clue who or how to utilize the LB corp last year.
The monster at the end of this blog.
Yes, that was part of it… But Sheldon’s insistence on a new deal mitigates that.
Plus, as we saw with the Jason Peters deal and even the Jay Cutler deal… just because a team needs to give a guy a new contract doesn’t necessarily push down his value much.
Correct me if I'm wrong... 'cause why would I follow the Jets?
But Cromartie didn’t sign an extension with the Jets. He’s looking for FA riches after next season. Knowing you’re only going to have a guy for 1 year unless you Franchise him for $15 million (or whatever the CB $$$ will be) most certainly drives down the price of the draft pick you’re willing to part with.
The Browns spent weeks negotiating with Sheldon to cut his new deal… they acquired Sheldon Brown at a price and contract length that they liked and decided they could afford.
Again we’re talking a two year window here, which is the longest the Jets can realistically expect/hope to hold on to Cromartie AND the longest we can realistically hope/expect Brown to hold up. If you believe that Brown will continue to stay healthy and maintain his level of play over the next two seasons than the Browns have gotten a CB on par with Cromartie at a much less fiscal cost AND they gave up less in trade value to do so.
Trades aren’t just about the players… they’re also about the contracts.
The monster at the end of this blog.
Cromartie can resign
No one is resigning Brown at 33+ years old.
Holy shit you missed the point by a lot.
OK.
Sheldon Brown signed through (if my math is right) 2012.
Cromartie signed through 2010.
The only way the Jets can keep Cromartie in 2011 is if they A) Franchise him and pay him tons of money. B) Sign him to an extension that pays him tons of money. Meanwhile, the Browns already have Sheldon signed to an affordable contract.
THE FACT THAT THE JETS ARE ONLY GUARANTEED 1YEAR OF CROMARTIE AT A REASONABLE PRICE means they weren’t eager to part with anything better than a 3rd round pick to acquire him in a trade. Cromartie’s contract status lowered the price the Cards could ask for in a trade.
In other words…
2-3 years of Brown could have as much if not more trade value than 1 year of Cromartie if you believe that Brown will continue his current level of play over the length of his time in Cleveland. That is the gamble the Browns are making and that unknown is why it wouldn’t make sense for Cleveland to have given up more than a 3rd round pick for Sheldon.
The monster at the end of this blog.
Thats assuming
Brown suddenly decides that he doesn’t want a raise. He publicly complained about it last year, and almost threatened to be a problem. You think all that goes away? Why do you think it took them so long to agree on a deal.
Last thing anyone needs is a risk of Brown holding out.
Brown already got a raise for his contract for this year as well as a 2.5 mil signing bonus.
This from an article on csnphilly.com
“Brown made waves last offseason by publicly stating his dissatisfaction with his current contract, which at the time had four years remaining. A league source has told CSN’s Derrick Gunn that Cleveland has restructured Brown’s deal to include a $2.6 million bonus and $5 million in base salary for the upcoming season, doubling the base pay he was scheduled to earn next season with the Eagles. The deal, which still is for three years, had been discussed for a month. "
Um that was the point
Unless you gave Brown a raise, he had the potential to create problems. That also lowered his value.
Brown didn't get a raise
He got more guaranteed money. There’s a difference.
The monster at the end of this blog.
Cleveland has restructured Brown’s deal to include a $2.6 million bonus and $5 million in base salary for the upcoming season, doubling the base pay he was scheduled to earn next season with the Eagles.
His base pay for the Eagles was going to be $2.5 million with $256,000 in bonuses. Now he get’s $5 million base pay with $2.6 million bonus (granted its a signing bonus). Ummmm yea thats a raise, a 100% raise actually.
Did the actual value of the remainder of his contract increase?
Brown had 3 years/X dollars remaining on his contract. I haven’t seen anything that says the total amount of money he’s owed over the next 3 years has increased. All Cleveland have done is increase the amount of guaranteed money due to Sheldon in 2010; they have shifted the payment plan. That doesn’t count as a raise. A raise would be the Cleveland Browns originally owed Sheldon X dollars over the next 3 years but now they owe him X + Y over the same time period.
Show me something where the Browns have agreed to pay Sheldon more money over the next 3 years than he would have made in Philly and I’ll take back the “he didn’t get a raise” claim. Otherwise… you’re just using words that don’t mean what you think they mean.
The monster at the end of this blog.
If you add up the two picks on the trade chart it equals a 3rd rounder...
So maybe that will calm some of you down. I forgot if it was on the website or on the fanatic but Adam Caplan said he expected way less for Gocong.
Also Caplan said that the Eagles love Joe Haden so that could mean we trade up for him although I think we would probably have to go to around 12 since I am not sure he gets past 13.
I’ve felt that Haden has been the apple of our FO’s eye since day one. The Sheldon trade doesn’t surprise me. Where they go from here will be interesting.
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by andyreidswaistline on Apr 3, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
The Eagles are soft.
You have a nasty Cowboys offense that wants to slam it at you with Jones and Barber. You have the beast in blue up i95 that even though he is slowing still takes a toll on your line and linebackers. Now you have Shanahan who is going chop and cut block you like the old Hogs used to. This Eagles management better wake up and get off of this Miami Dolphins finesse “bend but don’t break” philosophy. That crap cost Dan Marino a few Super Bowls! I won’t sit back silently after watching Buddy’s Gang Green and Bill Bergey’s nasty, nasty late 70’s early 80’s defense. Bergey, LeMaster, Robinson try to run the ball at those linebackers! How about Joyner, Evans and Thomas? Wanna run the ball? Yeah right! Plus we always had safeties that could support! I’M SICK OF WHAT I’M SEEING ON DEFENSE LIKE JOE_D IS SICK OF MCNABB’S WORM LASERS!
How many playoff games did Buddy win?
I always forget.
by Tracer Bullet on Apr 3, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Let's go a little bit more recent. How many stops did that defense you are defending
get you the last 2 games?
by PhillyPhairies on Apr 3, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Sheldon was on the field
So what does this trade have to do with that?
And you brought up Buddy Ryan’s teams, chuckles. Sure, they were tough. They were also largely unsuccessful.
by Tracer Bullet on Apr 3, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Sheldon was hurt and he wasn't the reason for the soft D. The loss of Dawkins
was the most recent. Trotter’s demise in the middle and Bradley’s loss exposed the Phairies! These guys are NOT my Eagles!
by PhillyPhairies on Apr 3, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Great
Go be a Cowboys fan and leave us alone.
by Tracer Bullet on Apr 3, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
No! YOU BE A COWGIRLS FAN!
Since you support girly defense! You ain’t no real Eagle fan. Real Eagles fans REQUIRE TOUGH EAGLE TEAMS!
by PhillyPhairies on Apr 3, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I would think
REAL Eagles fans wouldn’t be pussies about it and whine when their team doesn’t have a good defence. Correct me if I’m wrong but aren’t you supposed to stick with your team through wins AND losses? Of course you could be a bandwagon fan..
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
If didn't watch Roman Gabriel then you need to sit down and learn
a few things. Andy Reid is a winner, the best the Eagles ever had in the win and loss column. BUT THE BRAND OF DEFENSE HE PLAYS IS FOR PANSIES compared to the typical “smash you in the mouth” defense (with an “s” Mr. Bandwagon!). Not unless you are the kind that like to sit on spiked fences. That explains why you support these matadors!
by PhillyPhairies on Apr 3, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
You’re calling me bangwagon because I didn’t spell defense correctly? Weak.
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
So you do like sitting on spiked fences? And you called
me a puss?
by PhillyPhairies on Apr 3, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
No, just because I didn't respond to your comment
about sitting on “spiked fences” which has abso-fucking-lutely nothing to do with defense, doesn’t mean I like it. Log out of BGN, we don’t need more people starting shit here than there already is. This is an Eagles forum so if you’re going to contribute, and comment, don’t bash people for ONE spelling mistake.
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
in Antoniak's "defence"
there are millions of Brits and Canadians that spell it with a C, so it’s hardly a spelling mistake.
oh, and Fairy? settle down.
by Bisch on Apr 3, 2010 10:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
dude you havent even been on this site for more than a day
this is not a site to bash other people and whine because the team might not play the way you want them to. Hey I’d like to see Andy run the ball a bit more, am I complaining? no because I trust Andy knows what hes doing. So why dont you sit back and learn how to be a real fan sir.
"ARE YOU GONNA BUST SOMEBODY IN THEY MOUTH!?!?! CUZ IMA DO THAT!!!" - Brian Dawkins
by jdcvr6 on Apr 3, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This generation accepts less than tough.
You boys are soft.
by PhillyPhairies on Apr 3, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
:[
hey that’s mean! I’m just sitting here picking flowers and frolicking in the pastures and you have to go say something nasty like that…
sigh. well i guess… I’d be okay with it if you found another, more manly eagles blog to post on…
gtfo thx
Revisionist spin.
This FO got hosed on this deal. Sheldon is worth more to this team than he is to anyone else and we should have kept him. Getting rid of the best tackler on the team and the only thing keeping this disgraceful secondary together is a sham. I am repulsed by the many FO apologists who continue to say that these guys know what they are doing and that they are “winners.” If you are going to say that McNabb can’t win the big one, why don’t we apply some of that same logic to the front office who continues to make deals that are manifestly NOT in the best interest of winning on the field? We absolutely did not get value for Sheldon. We got a 4th and a 5th round pick that have a 80-90% chance of getting cut in training camp (unless we bungle—oops—bundle them to move up in the first round—and we don’t have the balls to do what it takes to get Eric Berry) and some clown who will be cut in May. How is this a defensible move? Spin it all you want, guys. This move sucks. We’ll be here in September talking about starting CB’s Asante Samuel and Ellis Hobbs—or Tito Jackson. Ouch.
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
It would require our 3 highest picks, possibly more, to move up into Eric Berry range. And Brown requested a trade last year, I’d almost bet that he would have held out this year. Look how long they took to restructure his contract. All he wanted is the $$$$.
i don’t care if it doesn’t make sense and would cost entirely too much to get up in a position to grab him but can’t we dream about Berry in midnight green for the foreseeable future…it’s niice…
by 5 plus 10 equals 6 on Apr 3, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats all fine
but to say the FO has no balls or is a shitty FO if they don’t get Berry is another thing. Thats what EB was implying.
Def agree with putting some blame on the organization as whole not being able win the big one…
And I think you brought up another good point, is that draft picks, especially the later ones are worth more as picks than they are as the players that are actually chosen since it’s a crap shoot if they will even make the team, be a practice squad player, an avg starter, or be a diamond in the rough…because we all know how many times per draft we find a guy like Trent Cole…
by 5 plus 10 equals 6 on Apr 3, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
But..
I actually think we got the best value we could get for Sheldon on the open market…
Not saying it was the right choice to deal him, but like I said above…draft picks are grossly over-valued…(pretty sure Jason mentioned something about this a month+ ago)
by 5 plus 10 equals 6 on Apr 3, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
My day is complete
An insightful, well thought out post from Jason, and an angry, nonsensical tirade from evilbanner. Kind of like a morning shave and a shit.
It's "Kolb"ering time!
Yeah, I can see how it's "nonsensical"
Since our starting CB’s are now Asante Samuel and Ellis Hobbs. Are you a fan of this front office?
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
Yes I'm a fan of the FO
Have they made mistakes? Sure. Would I like a Super Bowl? Absolutely! As someone else mentioned in this thread, you’d have to go back to the Roman Gabriel days (I go back a little farther than that), to know what a lousy FO looks like.
From a FO standpoint, we’re spoiled. We at least get a sniff of the playoffs just about every year. How many other teams can say that in the last 10? Yes, we’ve had some major choke jobs, but you have to put at least half of that on the guys who take the field.
It's "Kolb"ering time!
How can you desecrate the team that has the greatest bad asss
defensive display in the history of the NFL? In 1948 and 1949, the Eagles won the championship with BACK TO BACK SHUT OUTS!! No one will ever repeat that! WE ARE THE ALL-TIME BAD ASSES! But not recently. We get rid of our tough guys.
We did get fair market value for Brown, but the problem is, as many other posters have pointed out, his value to this team greatly exceeds his market value.
Brown certainly wasn’t going to be a long term solution at CB and the position needed to be adressed at the draft regardless, however my problem is that now whoever we drafted will likely be thrown into a starting spot that he isn’t necessarily ready for. I don’t know if it would have been such a terrible thing to just let Brown play out his contract and slowly work the new guy into the secondary. I know that cuts against basic eagles philosophy of getting something in return for a player while you can, but there need to be exceptions to that approach.
I guess its not a terrible trade, but I still wouldn’t have done it. Its just time to accept that the team understands they aren’t going to win the superbowl next year, hence youth movement is now in full swing.
No offence,
But why does everyone strike down the possibility of a SuperBowl next year? I mean, I know it’s very unlikely with our youth now, and a much harder schedule.. But it could happen!
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
But it could happen!
my friend… it won’t. i don’t care what our goof troop front office is saying, but we are in a rebuilding state. i know we still have a probable mcnabb trade and the draft ahead of us, but we’d be lucky to make the playoffs at this point. i’m not trying to be a downer, just realistic.
Hm, I agree.
It just saddens me to think my signature may not be realistic :( A Dallas SuperBowl win would be one not to pass up on..
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
Jesus. What a bunch of old ladies. Way to panic, dudes. Last offseason, we had NO OFFENSIVE TACKLES. Runyan and Thomas were let go and it was the right move. Now Runyan is retired and Thomas is on no one’s roster. This year, we lost one corner. Can we wait until after the draft before we freak out? I guaran-damn-tee one of our starting corners for 2010 is not on our roster yet.
You think the fat man doesn’t want to beat and dominate Dallas? You think the fat man wants to be Jerry’s bitch? You think he liked losing three straigt games to the Cowgirls? Were we going to dominate Dallas this year with the roster we had and AGING, lost-a-step veterans like Brown, who for all his great tackling, I watched get ABSOLUTELY TORCHED by receivers in the second half of the season?
The Eagles will find a way to draft an amazing young corner, a pro-bowler— not a sometimes alternate like Sheldon Brown. It’s Bobby Taylor and Troy Vincent all over again, great players in their day, but the Eagles knew when to let them go and go into the draft and get Sheldon and Lito. Well, the second verse is the same as the first.
Christ, if Ellis Hobbs is our starting corner in 2010, I’ll hand out the torches and pitchforks myself. Relax.
by ghostofandrewatters on Apr 3, 2010 1:58 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
greetings from the middle east!
long time reader, first time poster…
this trade is fine… it is what it is.
i think our FO has shown time and time again that it knows what it’s doing (minus the Dawkins debacle).
Wait until the draft… that’s what i think.
hugs.
Hugs! - hahahaha...
…awesome.
altho I wasn’t thrilled with the move..it may have been eminent and I’m hoping we have a big time draft day plan..
by 5 plus 10 equals 6 on Apr 3, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
does anyone else think
that gocong kinda looks like mac from “always sunny”? I haven’t been able to get that off my mind.
Eagles.
by #1EaglesFan on Apr 3, 2010 6:06 PM EDT reply actions
Draft choices are so overvalued it's absurd
There’s a 1 in 20 chance, at best, a player of Cromartie’s quality is found in the third round – and I don’t even think he’s that good. And probably about a 1 in 25 chance a player of Brown is found in the fourth or fifth-round choices (note that Brown is better, but two chances nets a higher percentage then one chance).
Only two things that pissed me off about this trade were . . .
1. Roseman INSISTING that Hanson and Dobbs were adequate replacements for Browns yesterday. Please. I understand that you aren’t going to undercut the players remaining on your roster but there is no reason to tell me a guy who was horrible down the stretch & isn’t good enough to start in the NFL and a guy who wasn’t a good CB to begin with & is coming off a serious injury are the automatic answers to replace Brown. They aren’t. Eagles know that too. Just give a generic statement that we have some players we like on the roster & we have to see what happens in the draft. That’s all.
2. Roseman being very blunt in stating that the Eagles aren’t rebuilding. Again another BS statement especially if they move McNabb. I am not opposed to them entering a ‘rebuilding’ phase for a 1-2 years. You have to see what happens in the draft and on the field. Don’t tell me though that if you trade for franchise QB and with all of the other moves you have made this offseason that you aren’t ‘rebuilding.’ You are.
One of the reasons that the Eagles’ FO struggles a bit with their general PR image is because Banner is such an arrogant and standoffish dick. There’s no other way to put it. Lacks basic PR skills. He might be very competent at his job but he harms this team from a PR perspective when he speaks to the public. Keep him behind an office door where he belongs.
Roseman doesn’t seem to have quite the persona that Banner has but he picked up with the same type of shtick yesterday. Instead of coming in with a more mild-manner guy who was a bit more PR friendly, Roseman strikes me initially as a guy who will do more harm than good from a PR perspective for this team. People tolerate that kind of act when you are winning. It won’t be so endearing if the Eagles do really struggle next year and go through a 6-7 win season.
Who cares?
Seriously. Does anyone watch a team because they like the front office? “Man, I’ve always been a Bears fan, but I really dig that Howie Roseman. I gotta get me a Birds jersey.”
Is there a more despised team executive than Vinnie Cerato? Is there a more despised owner than Daniel Snyder? Does any of that mean a damned thing at game time? No, no and no. I don’t give two damns if Roseman is Castro’s second cousin and Banner is the Devil’s brother-in-law. Deliver a Super Bowl and they can eat all the babies they want.
by Tracer Bullet on Apr 3, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
The point is...
…these fruits don’t have the balls or the brains to do what it takes to deliver a super bowl.
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
“The word rebuilding will never enter our vocabulary. We’re trying to win. We’re trying to win right now,” Roseman said. “I think we’re just trying to get better in all areas. We’re trying to build a team that this city can be proud of. We’re excited about that. We’ve got a lot more work to do.”
The Hanson/Dobbs comments were from an audo clip I heard on 610 while driving home yesterday.
Greg Dobbs?
Just Say No to Myron Ro lle
by andyreidswaistline on Apr 3, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Just wanted to point out that the Jets traded pick 92 for Cromaratie and the Eagles got pick 105 for Sheldon…not that much difference in value. Although I think Cromartie is a fck-up waiting to happen. He has like 35 kids he pays child support for. He’s done spent all his money. He should have invested in condoms and saved himself a couple of million dollars..lmao!!
just a thought
tramon williams is a rfa
55 tackles 4 int 2009
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