The Linc - Can the Eagles pass rush get an instant impact?
by JasonB on Apr 29, 2010 12:58 PM EDT
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Yea
we even traded our pick to Carolina in 08 so they could draft Otah.
RIP Jim Johnson. You will truly be missed.
Love the write-up on Tapp...
Great work there, and I’m definitely a little bit more fired up about him than I was 10 minutes ago.
My favorite line from that piece was…
I mean, there’s a difference between Googling “Darryl Tapp” and relaying his sack totals by season and producing an 1,800 word write up of his contributions in 2009. I never pull the expertise card or anything, but it does frustrate to have hours of work countered by five seconds of research.
Word.
yeah… maybe we didnt need to use a first and 2 thirds drafting his replacement before he even stepped on the field
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no one said it was… there was plenty of depth in the mid-late rounds… you know all those rounds where there wasnt a starting CB for us to take
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why ask this question again when I already answered it in the other thread?? You had commented again so I dont know how you missed the answer…
I would have drafted thomas at 12. Past that I would have then tried to trade up from 37 to grab either Kyle Wilson or Derrick Morgan (who I could have seen falling if we didnt start the DE run).
Even if we ended up with Thomas/Morgan I would feel more comfortable starting Jackson/Harris at FS (and in turn starting Thomas at CB) then I do starting one of our current options at RCB
If we didnt trade up for Thomas though I would have stayed at 24 and done backflip somersaults to the podium as I hand in my Kyle Wilson card.
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I would have drafted thomas at 12.
13, but OK, fine. Our 3’s are gone, just as they were in the Graham trade. But I’m OK with it so far. Continuing…
Past that I would have then tried to trade up from 37 to grab either Kyle Wilson or Derrick Morgan
OK, so you’re trading up to about 15-18 for one of those guys (including Wilson, who nobody expected to slip to 29). That’s going to cost you the 37th and 55th picks, at a minimum, and probably a 3 or 4 next year.
So now we’re left with our 4, a 6, and our (2) 7th round compensatory picks.
Gone are all the picks we acquired with the 55th pick… So our draft looks like this…
1. Earl Thomas
2. Derrick Morgan (Let’s call it Morgan, since he’s the better prospect)
4. A corner? Hell, I’ll even give you Trevard Lindley much later in 4th than where we got him.
6. Charles Scott
7. Jamar Chaney
7. Jeff Owens
7. Kurt Coleman
So basically, you just traded Nate Allen for Earl Thomas and Brandon Graham for Derrick Morgan, and lost…
- Daniel Te’o Nesheim
- Keenan Clayton
- Mike Kafka
- Clay Harbor
- Ricky Sapp
- Riley Cooper
Bang up job, Mr. GM.
by JimmyK on Apr 29, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
OK, so you’re trading up to about 15-18 for one of those guys (including Wilson, who nobody expected to slip to 29). That’s going to cost you the 37th and 55th picks, at a minimum, and probably a 3 or 4 next year.
I’m just reading this again, and that’s being extreeeeeemely generous of the team trading down from 15-18.
I also don’t understand putting Thomas at CB. Instead of drafting a safety at #13 at moving him to CB, how about drafting a CB at #24? Saves you 2 3rd rounders.
I’m very happy with Graham, but would also be happy with something like
1. Kyle Wilson
2. Nate Allen
Then we have the rest of our draft the same plus 2 extra 3rds.
Well, the problem with that is that if you want Kyle Wilson badly, you’re trading up to get him. Yeah, I know he went to the Jets at 29… I know that now, that is… but nobody knows that until after it has already played out. This isn’t a draft on Madden where you can hit the reset button, and start the draft over if Wilson doesn’t fall to you at 24.
I agree
Prior to the draft I thought we needed to trade up to get him as well. Still, I think the Eagles FO knew there would be at least one first round CB available at #24. Hard to say without knowing how they had the corners ranked.
wouldnt you just kill for an eagles version of that jerry jones draft board that slipped out
too bad our FO isnt ran by an egomanicial camerawhore
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Would be good for the fans
Bad for the team. Don’t want the league to know how our FO thinks. I like the secrecy, keeps the other teams guessing.
agree with everything you have here… i was just pointing out thomas would give us that versatility if things didnt work out later. If we didnt move up for thomas I agree we stand pat at 24 then play it out like you described. (Though having 2 quality CBs like wilson/samuel makes me look long/hard at taylor mays).
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well mr know-it-all...
that entire argument if fundamentally flawed and is completely irrelevant.
why would I HAVE to trade up to 15-18?? At that point there are 4 CBs on the board that and wouldnt have to do anything. Not until Jackson goes at 20 do I even consider trading up from 37, even then I dont seriously consider it until we get past 25 (with McCourty, Robinson, and Wilson still on the board).
Im not going to draft value chart out what I give up to trade up from 37 but it sure as hell isnt 55…. pick 55 ends up being every player on that list not named Keenan Clayton.
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Dunno how you're gonna avoid it
To move up from #37, without any 3rd rounders (given up to move up for Thomas). I don’t think teams would trade with us for 4th rounders, it would take both 2nds I think.
to trade up from 37 to the late 20s?? you are crazy… detroit traded up by swapping 4th round picks and giving up a 7th
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Swapping picks in the 4th round =/= swapping picks in rounds 1-2.
It’s not like you can fork over chump change to move up willy-nilly.
Berries are nice, but Graham crackers taste pretty good too.
by alcatraz0109 on Apr 29, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
uhhh... yeah you can
im not stating what I would/coulda/shoulda done… i was pointing out a fact.
That the lions traded back into the 1st round by swapping 4th rounders with the vikings (100 and 128) and a 7th.
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Detroit was only going from 34 to 30 though
It wasn’t a big jump.
The better look is what Denver gave up to Baltimore to move up to 25:
Round 2 (43)
Round 3 (70)
Round 4 (114)
We didn’t have that 3rd round pick. Was given up in the other trade-up. Considering the difference from 37 to 43 and the fact that we didn’t have that 3rd rounder, in the end, we would probably have to give up 37 and 55 for 25 and a 4th rounder or so to even things out. So we might have one more pick than Bye, Dawk said. But we’re still running ourselves dry.
That's assuming
We only moved up to 25 btw. I’d assume that he’s right in that we’d be moving up at least into the 18-20 range, which would’ve cost both 2’s and another pick.
Agreed
You can move up a couple spots in rounds 1-2 with late round picks for the same price you could move up 15-20 spots on the 3rd day, a la what the Eagles did to get Jeremy Maclin (2 spots for a 6th).
To move up 15-20 spots in rounds 1-2 without much else to deal, though, you’ll need to fork over a pretty penny; if not another high choice, then a crapload of later picks.
Berries are nice, but Graham crackers taste pretty good too.
by alcatraz0109 on Apr 29, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
i apologize that you two got caught in the middle of this clusterF but it just got blown way out of proportion. BD:) asked what I would have done to address CB had we passed on graham and I mentioned I would have tried trading up seeing that KW had dropped so far. This whole moving up 20 spots and packaging up mike ditka style was a figment of his imagination.
Im sorry that there wasnt a real life example to better illustrate what I was talking about but pulling out another example (the denver trade) that is just as far to the other side doesnt do any good either.
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Remember that
You also have to have a willing trade partner. Assuming you start at 24 as KW was dropping
24; We couldn’t beat Dallas’ offer, since it involved a 1st
25: We would’ve had to have beat Denver’s offer, as above
26: Arizona was ecstatic about Dan Williams dropping. They wanted him
27: Doubt they were trading down again
28: Miami wasn’t very likely to trade down again
29: Again, Jets were ecstatic about KW dropping. Not sure they would’ve been willing to trade out of that spot.
You're not likely to get much sympathy on this board
when attacking Bye, Dawk :( That’s not a statement meant to judge you.
Now, I also happen to agree with him that this was a good overall draft. You think we should have gone with an impact corner instead of an impact DE, I can respect that, you’re not the only one who felt that way. The Eagles rarely draft how we expect them to, and while it’s not what I expected, I’m certainly satisfied (before any football has been played mind you) with the result.
As a side note, it’s easy to say as fans that one position should be drafted ahead of another because it is a higher need than another, but, if the FO really believed that Graham was a higher quality player than Thomas, or any of the CBs we could have gotten, then they made the right move in my opinion. We don’t really know what grades they have on each player.
that entire argument if fundamentally flawed and is completely irrelevant.
100% agreed, and that’s kind of the point. Saying what the Eagles “should have done” and proposing trades when you already know the order of the draft is fundamentally flawed and completely irrelevant. And even with the advantage that you have about knowing exactly how the draft ultimately played out, your proposed plan of action doesn’t even make much sense.
And what starting CB would you have taken in the first round?
by Bye, Dawk :( on Apr 29, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions/blockquote>
you are the one who started this whole fucking mess by asking me… I gave you a 3 sentence answer… you then even taking it to the next level by over analyzing that and how that would effect the rest of our picks.
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Haha, sorry… And I don’t mean to pick on you. Draft-related pet peeve number 1 with me is people saying what the Eagles should have done, without a realistic plan of how they could have. Draft-related pet peeve number 2 is saying “We should have traded up/down to get Player X because they were drafted at Xth overall,” when there’s no way in hell anyone could possibly know exactly how the draft will play out.
Draft-related pet peeve number 1… “I dont care what I said was a need before the draft. I dont care what we did during the draft. My team did it and it was therefore the right decision”
I hate to say anything that could extend this conversation but… saying that there isnt a realistic plan where we could have addressed CB/S (and even our OL holes later in the draft) is foolish.
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"I dont care what I said was a need before the draft. I dont care what we did during the draft. My team did it and it was therefore the right decision"
Not guilty
I hate to say anything that could extend this conversation but… saying that there isnt a realistic plan where we could have addressed CB/S (and even our OL holes later in the draft) is foolish.
Well, your first attempt at what they should have specifically done differently kind of went up in flames. Care to give it another go-round?
Why would you post that
picture on Eagles Academy if you didnt want to further this argument.
UDDDDAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!!!!!!
McDermott...
I like how he pointed out getting pressure with your line alleviates the need for excessive blitzing, which in turn helps your secondary. As Eagle fans, does anyone NOT know this? Haha… We haven’t been able to put heat on opposing QB’s in years…
by 92-74-99-96 on Apr 29, 2010 1:48 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
My only problem with this draft
drafting for depth behind Alex Hall. I don’t get the whole Sapp pick given that we already bargained for Hall in the Brown/Gocong deal.
Not that Sapp is a bad player (and we certainly don’t know sh#t about Hall), but he seemed an awful lot like a luxury.
Maybe we could have just picked Myron Lewis in the 3rd, then T’eo with the high 4th and if they really loved him, Lindley with the Sapp pick.
Sapp
was a value pick. Very good value pick for where we got him. It would seem to me that Alex has had time in the NFL and hasn’t shown much, I am much more excited by having Sapp on the Roster.
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Plus, Sapp can play the Joker spot
Normally, we take Cole off of DE to put him in the Joker, imagine how much more effective it will be if we can keep the Cole-train beasting at DE and still pass rush with a solid player at Joker.
Different types of D Coordinators
This draft shows that McDermott is a different style of coach than JJ. JJ was a blitzing schemer, McDermott is more about coverages.
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This is the year
I think so, we ended up at 12 just out of the top 10 and gave up nearly 500 yrds of offense in that final dallas game so that probably threw our numbers off pretty far.
Doesnt matter though… I think total team defense is one of the more easily skewed stats. Washington has pretty consistently had a top 10 defense during their recent streak of mediocrity. Hasnt done anything for them and never been a D I have been very scared of.
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They don't generate turnovers
I’d agree that total yards allowed is only a partial measurement; I’d like to see turnovers and scoring defense also considered.
After that, probably 3rd down conversion rate is my next most indicative stat.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
my “theory” on it… they run a poor ball control offense, a good bit of the time they have short offensive drives and give the team good field position meaning they only have to give up 40-60 yards of offense. When they do get a drive going its based around CP grinding out longer clock draining drives, cutting down the total possesions in the game.
Having an overall weak offensive games and opponents (not named bill bellichek) taking their foot off the pedal once they hit 21 points helps as well.
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