JIBTAs Grades
by jack is better than asante on Apr 24, 2010 11:36 PM EDT
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So the draft is over and there were some good and bad picks .. heres how i grade them
#13 Brandon Graham DE Michigan - Not a huge fan of this pick.. he is too small and has small arms .. will be a solid DE in the NFL but never special .. can be a solid starter for years so its not a bad pick .. just would of liked to see JPP or Derek morgan instead .. But it wasnt earl thomas so that alone makes this pick better .. what a bust Thomas will be .. cant tackle .. will get beat all day because he jumps routes .. basically hes asante at saftey ..
Grade- B-
#37 Nate Allen S USF - Love this pick!!! this is by far our best pick .. we needed a saftey bad .. and we got the best one not named berry.. Allen will start imedietly and is a huge upgrade since we were playing the worst saftey in the NFL in Macho harris ..
Grade- A+
#86 Daniel Te'o-Nesheim DE Washington - The only pick worse than this one was Tim Teabow .. wow .. what a reach .. maybe the biggest one the eagles have ever made .. this guy was rated as 6th round to undrafted .. he went to fuckin washington .. thats not a football college!! His combine numbers arent bad .. but hes not a good player .. he wont translate to the nfl .. his only hope is catching on as a rotation DT who can rush the passer .. he may be a third round pick but hes 6th round talent and will have to beat out DIxon for a roster spot ..
Grade- F-
#105 Trevard Lindley CB Kentucky - Not a bad pick .. we needed to get a corner .. all the good ones where gone by this point .. he was rated as 2nd round talent last year .. good size and said to be the best press cover in the whole draft .. should be able to make this roster over guys like patterson and pope .. could be a good nickle back or third corner
Grade - B
#121 Keenan Clayton LB Oklahoma - Another slight reach .. he wasnt rated this high .. he isnt that athletic .. and he has adequate size .. could be a good special teams guy and we did have 13 picks .. dont hate this nearly as much as Te'o but still a reach and one we didnt need to take
Grade - D
#122 Mike Kafka QB Northwestern - We needed to get a third qb in this draft .. i would of went with someone like tony pike or jonathan crompton.. doesnt have the big arm but has good enough arm strength to run our offense .. developmental guy who wont have to play for atleast 3 years .. decent pick
Grade C+
#125 Clay Harbor TE Missouri State - Not a bad pick .. i didnt know much about him but this guy is an athletic freak .. could be an H back in NFL similar to chris cooley .. not a good blocker but another weapon in the passing game .. decent value here and was worth the gamble .. wil make this team over Rucker
Grade B-
#135 Ricky Sapp DE Clemson - Hello steal of the draft! Sapp is a superior athlete who should of went as high as round 2 .. slipped beacuse of injury concerns .. athletic enough to be a SAM LB and will fill a major need for the Eagles .. LOVE LOVE LOVE this pick ..
Grade - A++
#159 Riley Cooper WR Florida - Not a bad pick here- Has great size and decent speed .. is very athletic .. should be a solid 4th wr and eventually replace Avant as the third here .. good value here .. ironically this guy was drafted by the Phillies as well .. The only knock on this guy is hes a white WR .. but hes not being asked to start .. as a Third or 4th WR i like him a lot
Grade- B+
#200 Charles Scott RB LSU - Another very good pick .. although i wanted Dwyer or Blount .. but this guy is a good RB.. Eventually will challege for carries and will become at the very least an even split with mccoy .. Doesnt dance and hits the whole .. those words are in every scouting report i seen .. that alone makes me give this guy and A .. maybe Mccoy can watch and learn how to hit a hole .. will deff make this team 100 percent over Buckley and mallet .. welcome your new platoon RB
Grade - A+
#220 Jamar Chaney LB Mississippi State - Another great pick! huge value here .. a guy who could of easily went in rounds 3 or 4 .. a good LB with good size at 6 foot 240 and ran a 4.54 40 .. this guy will be a good LB for us .. makes gaither expandable .. will start this year as a special teamer who will replace either Mays or Gaither on the roster .. eventually could challenge for playing time .. i like this guy more than Fokou and he has a lot more upside
Grade - A
#243 Jeff Owens DT Georgia - Decent pick .. has good size and will challege Dixon for the 4th DT spot .. more than likely a practice squad guy but worth a shot
Grade - C
#244 Kurt Coleman S Ohio State - No clue who this dude is . .didnt notice him in Ohio state games .. Camp body and prob practice squad or IR with some phantom Injury .. this guy was ranked as 16th best saftey .. thats not too impressive .. he cant be any worse than Macho but thats not saying much
Grade - D
There are some good FAs out there .. my boy blount is gone .. and so is brandon carter but there are some decent lineman .. and wild eagles lover Micah johnson didnt get drafted either .. so as much as i make fun of wild eagle .. i wouldnt mind signing Micah Johnson .. if anything it will make wild eagle happy .. which is fine by me .. i pick on him a lot so let him have his boy ..
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Hate to say it....
But I basically agree. I think we all wish we had done better for a CB, but overall it was an ok draft.
lol it cracks me up that people always say
“hate to say” when they agree with JIBTA
just decided they should add something to the health care bill. Everyone should be made to get a membership to a gym and must use it. If not then they should be penalized for not taking care of themselves. All in favor? Oh wait...it doesn't matter what we think.
When you disagree with him about so much else....
You have to be concerned when you find yourself fully agreeing with him about so many players
lol i wasnt calling you out or anything
i just think its soooo funny cause its not like every single one of his theories is so crazy
just decided they should add something to the health care bill. Everyone should be made to get a membership to a gym and must use it. If not then they should be penalized for not taking care of themselves. All in favor? Oh wait...it doesn't matter what we think.
Who are you referencing when you say a guy was “rated” at a certain round.
I talked to scouts at the draft that had Te’o-Nesheim as a 4th round pick. Where are you getting this undrafted thing from?
some one said it somewhere, might have been kiper, but i remember someone saying it
The Kolb Era has begun....
Kolb - a heavy medieval war club with a spiked or flanged metal head, used to crush armor - Wikipedia of course
I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
RIP JJ
by sports00fan00 on Apr 25, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
well
Nfl.com had him as a late rounder .. so did mel Kiper .. and NFLDraftCountdown had him as lateround / FA and i like that scott wright a lot
by jack is better than asante on Apr 24, 2010 11:51 PM EDT reply actions
I too have tons os respect for Scott Wright
Let's get it Birds.
by homestar2281 on Apr 25, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
lol
thats what “no script” is for for firefox
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by NorthPhillyKid on Apr 25, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
…because you trust the opinions of outsiders (who only guess, really) as opposed to the guys who actually have to make the decisions.
Gotcha.
Berries are nice, but Graham crackers taste pretty good too.
by alcatraz0109 on Apr 25, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
yea
tell me why Teo is so good alcatraz .. ur bullshit reason of i trust the eagles isnt gonna fly
by jack is better than asante on Apr 25, 2010 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Do I have to parrot this over and over?
Good measurables + great production at UW + decent size for a DE (6-3, 263) = lots of potential.
I’m not making any guarantees (like I would say about everyone in the draft), but he seems more likely than not to make an impact for us.
Berries are nice, but Graham crackers taste pretty good too.
by alcatraz0109 on Apr 25, 2010 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Making JIBTA listen to reason is about as likely as...
Jack Ikegwuonu getting back in the NFL. Not gonna happen.
We’ll find out what these players are made of in due time.
by ChaoticEagle on Apr 25, 2010 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions
not for me
Laws is still better than dixon in my book .. i dont like dixon .. a guy who was cut by the redskins and isnt anything special besides his good size
by jack is better than asante on Apr 24, 2010 11:53 PM EDT reply actions
Doesn’t matter if he is for you, the only two people it matters for is Andy Reid and Sean McDermott and going by last year Dixon is ahead of Laws.
He also plays better than Laws ..
… or has to date. You can actually think of a play Dixon has made, whereas Laws … (draws a blank)
Laws might still have more potential, or might be a fit in someone else’s system, but Dixon was pretty clearly the next-best DT after Bunk and Patterson last year.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
Laws
ast chance for a career is as an end in a 3-4. He’s proven he’s no 4-3 DT
My "t" and "y" buttons are messed up so don't bitch at me about misspelling, I'm just saying.
by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on Apr 25, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I mostly agree
I dont think Teo is an F but thats just me
just decided they should add something to the health care bill. Everyone should be made to get a membership to a gym and must use it. If not then they should be penalized for not taking care of themselves. All in favor? Oh wait...it doesn't matter what we think.
I think Teo
is an A-.
The only reason for the minus is because, yeah, you might have been able to get him a bit later, but I like the player. If you like the player, you take him.
I would go with a B+ at this point
Mostly because I think Graham is much better and is gonna make teo look silly
just decided they should add something to the health care bill. Everyone should be made to get a membership to a gym and must use it. If not then they should be penalized for not taking care of themselves. All in favor? Oh wait...it doesn't matter what we think.
Graham better be much better
… he was picked in the top half of the first round. Teo was picked at the end of the 3rd round.
But I know what you mean. That’s fair enough… A- or B+… same difference.
Lol i guess its a wash
i just wanna be unique all right jeez
just decided they should add something to the health care bill. Everyone should be made to get a membership to a gym and must use it. If not then they should be penalized for not taking care of themselves. All in favor? Oh wait...it doesn't matter what we think.
tapp
tapp replaced howard
by jack is better than asante on Apr 25, 2010 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Tapp replaced clemons
teo replaced Howard… oh wait this is fucking stupid, they are all DE’s !!!
My "t" and "y" buttons are messed up so don't bitch at me about misspelling, I'm just saying.
by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on Apr 25, 2010 2:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Sapp replaced Clemons (the joker)
DTN replaced Howard.
Tapp replaced Babin.
And Graham comes in to replace Reggie White….. (ahem ahem, please don’t wake me up from this dream)
No
Sapp replaced Gocong
About 10 minutes ago, I was pondering my own existence. Then I decided that it didn't matter.
That's what I'm hoping for
But according to Andy, he likes him first as a rotational defensive lineman to replace Chris Clemons in the joker role.
He’ll start off as a defensive lineman, and then he’ll learn some of the linebacker stuff. We have the joker position where he can stand up, like Chris (Clemons) did.
We should've gotten Donovan Warren with our last pick.
Fucking Jets.
I don't know what it is about your face,
[holds up fist]
but I just wanna deliver one of these right in your suck hole.
My friend
is a serious Michigan fan and he’s right about Michigan players more-often-than-not. He said that Warren is slow as molasses.
Oh....
well than fuck it.
I don't know what it is about your face,
[holds up fist]
but I just wanna deliver one of these right in your suck hole.
Yeah
I wouldn’t get too wrapped up in Warren. People were just dead wrong when they graded him as a possible 2nd/3rd/4th round CB… NFL teams obviously saw what my friend saw. That’s why he went so late (if he even got drafted, I’m not sure).
But I would agree in that I wish we took another CB. That postion worries the hell out of me.
he doesn’t like white WR’s, RB’s, or Defensive backs…. rest can be white…. god I wish I didn’t know how JIBTA thinks, but I do.
My "t" and "y" buttons are messed up so don't bitch at me about misspelling, I'm just saying.
by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on Apr 25, 2010 2:30 AM EDT up reply actions
No he also isn’t a fan of white LB’s either. They are never “athletic” enough. Or maybe that’s just MLB’s.
"I will never have my best season," Brian Dawkins
"All I have in this world is my balls and my word and I don't break them for no one." Scarface
Team McNabb
by Talon Talent on Apr 25, 2010 2:33 AM EDT up reply actions
white ppl
im white .. i know i have no business being in the skill postions of DB RB and WR ,, fullback .. TE .. QB .. Kicker .. Lineman … Ocasional LB but not those three
by jack is better than asante on Apr 25, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
you may not
you may not be an athlete. But this is what these kids have done, day in and day out for the better part of their lives. They all have made some sort of impact at their position in HS, college, and now look to do the same in the pro’s.
Wes Welker is a white receiver and he is very good. yes he isn’t “dominant”, but catching 123 balls a year is not mistake. I mean if he was the only one on the team that is one thing, but he is playing opposite of Randy Moss who gets more then his fair share of looks.
Brian urlacher was very dominant at the MLB spot earlier in his career. Injuries have slowed him down since, but you can’t take away from his early accomplishments.
Race plays no part in a person’s ability to succeed at any level of anything they do. Hard work, making the most of your opporunities and a desire to propel yourself to the next level is how you should be judged on your abilities.
"I will never have my best season," Brian Dawkins
"All I have in this world is my balls and my word and I don't break them for no one." Scarface
Team McNabb
by Talon Talent on Apr 25, 2010 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
sure it does
name one number one wr whos white .. welker is a good slot guy .. so was kevin curtis .. not number one wrs .. name one db .. sean consodine? ok now name one real DB .. name one good white rb? go for it .. and you cant go back more than 10 years .. cuz back in the day is a differnt story .. ill give u the last ten years .
by jack is better than asante on Apr 25, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Ed McCaffery, Wayne Chrebet, Joe Jurevicius, WR
John Lynch, FS
Peyton Hillis, Toby Gerhart, HB (both are going to be beasts, and Hillis plays LB too)
And here’s the point JIBTA, nobody with sense is going to argue that people of direct African descent are, in general, more athletic than those of Caucasian descent. I’m an anthropology major, that’s a pretty widely accepted idea. But the problem here is that if you put two WRs with the same numbers, say 6’3" 210lbs, a 4.55 in the 40 and a 30" vertical, equal times in the shuttle and cone drills, equal reps, etc., you would choose the black player over the white which is racism. Even though you’re white, it’s still textbook racism. You need to be more open to new things, sir JIBTA.
I Am Better Than Jack Who Some Fool Thinks Is Better Than Asante (IABTJWSFTIBTA)
JIBTA’s actually Jack Ikegwuonu... and he’s f***ing pissed.
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Just lost a little respect for DeSean10 there..
Jurevicius? < Curtis < Welker
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
shit
brian fineran was better than those guys in my book
by jack is better than asante on Apr 26, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm gonna act like I know who Fineran is.
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
lol
Atl receiver. Had some pretty nice games. Injured a lot though. Tried to come back for quite a few years there, but just couldn’t stay healthy. Would of had an above average career if he could of stayed healthy I think.
"I will never have my best season," Brian Dawkins
"All I have in this world is my balls and my word and I don't break them for no one." Scarface
Team McNabb
by Talon Talent on Apr 26, 2010 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, haha.
Well, I’ve only seriously been watching NFL since about ‘07. And then it was only Eagles. Now it’s expanding to where I understand most of what every team does, who they have, etc. I’m getting way more football-friendly.
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
You don't think Wes Welker's a Number 1?
Well, in the traditional sense he’s not, but hear this:
After Tom Brady got hurt, Belichick changed their offense to make it easier for Matt Cassel: more short slants to complement his weak arm, and Welker, being the best slot guy in the league, turned the change of role into a banner year. And if you watched the Pats last year, Welker was option 1 on almost every single pass play. He means five times more to that team than Randy Moss right now, and has for 1.5 seasons.
And Edelman is a Welker clone. I fully expect him to be one of the top slots in the league in 2-3 years.
Berries are nice, but Graham crackers taste pretty good too.
by alcatraz0109 on Apr 25, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
slot guys
they are not ones. . not even close .. lynch is over rated .. but decent for a white guy .. those hbs have done nothing .. toby gerhart sucks and i didnt want him .. and all three of those wrs were situatinal guys .. which is why i said im ok with cooper as a 3 or 4 .. just not as a starter
by jack is better than asante on Apr 26, 2010 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree with you somewhat.
Actually, alotwhat. No good has come out of being a white WR/DB/RB.
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
Jason Sehorn used to eat the Eagles' lunch
White CB for the Giants. I guess he might be before some of you whippersnappers’ time.
I don’t have a dog in the white people suck/white people are awesome fight, just didn’t see Sehorn’s name mentioned.
If you’ve never seen his pick of McNabb in the first Reid era playoff game, or haven’t in a while, here you go. It’s sick.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nn2r8Ft5wWs
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
That pass was intended for Torrance Small
dear lord. I do NOT miss those days.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
haha
i hated him .. he was always over rated ..he was decent tho .. about same as lynch
by jack is better than asante on Apr 27, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Brandon Graham – B-
Daniel Te’o-Nesheim – F-
Explain to me again why people should take you seriously.
Berries are nice, but Graham crackers taste pretty good too.
um
those grades are pretty acurate .. graham isnt this stud DE who will get double digit sacks .. hes no jared allen .. he never will be .. and at pick 13 and a guy we gave up two thirds and a first to get i would say a B- is fair .. he will be solid starter .. just not special
by jack is better than asante on Apr 25, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Did you know...
PFW ranked Jared Allen number 1 at his position when he was drafted?…
… his position was long snapper. No joke.
Berries are nice, but Graham crackers taste pretty good too.
by alcatraz0109 on Apr 25, 2010 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree Graham most likely wont get 10+ sacks year after year, but he is good enough to take the pressure off cole. So instead of 12 from Cole, and 4 from(insert awful former player here), Cole can now get 14+ and 7-10 from Graham.
"Sugah n' rainbows"
"We will steal the show, jolly Rogers go, we are wolves of the sea."
Brandon Graham isn’t comparable to Jared Allen. Allen gets sacks purely by powering past the lineman, and he’s really effing good at it. Graham compares instead to a Dwight Freeney/Robert Mathis guy, a small but very fast player who is able to scoot past tackles for sacks and has enough power to be disruptive on every down. I call him an A/A-.
And DTM – maybe he was a slight reach, but that’s the worst I can say. He has the tools – agility, power, and burst – to make an impact as an edge or inside rusher. A-/B+ for him.
Berries are nice, but Graham crackers taste pretty good too.
by alcatraz0109 on Apr 25, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
says who
when guys like mcshay and scott right rated this guy low .. so who should i listen to .. guys who study these players for a living .. or you .. and he went to fuckin washington .. thats not a good school .. no matter what you say .. he was a huge reach .. and one we didnt need to take ..
by jack is better than asante on Apr 25, 2010 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not saying you have to listen to me.
I’m saying that since the Eagles have done reasonably well in the draft, and since their opinion trumps whatever McShay/Kiper believe because they actually have to pick these guys, I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt.
Berries are nice, but Graham crackers taste pretty good too.
by alcatraz0109 on Apr 25, 2010 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
what
no they havent .. laws .. matt mccoy .. matt ware .. brian smith .. tony hunt .. jereome mcdougal .. look at all these bust they have taken in the first 3 rounds .. im sure theres many more .. so who says they are so correct ?
by jack is better than asante on Apr 25, 2010 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
For every Matt McCoy and Trevor Laws
There’s a McNabb, Shawn Andrews (say what you want but the guy was a top 3 guard at his peak), Kolb, DeSean, Maclin, Celek, Trent, Mikell, Stew, Sheldon, Westbrook, etc etc…
Among the biggest reasons they have gotten to the point where people still believe they can make the playoffs despite cutting tons of veterans and a franchise QB is because they have found many of their big cornerstones through the draft and as UFAs – last year’s 11-5 team started 16 of 22 guys who were originally drafted or signed by the Eagles.
All those guys above, who have carried the Eagles all these years and will carry them for the next few, are Eagles draft picks. And the future is bright, even you can admit that.
So yeah, I trust them.
Berries are nice, but Graham crackers taste pretty good too.
by alcatraz0109 on Apr 25, 2010 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Without sounding like a total ass
only 16 of 22 were signed by the eagles……did the other 6 just decide to play for no reason?
Plus why should I listen to you, you know nothing about Alcatraz. lol
just decided they should add something to the health care bill. Everyone should be made to get a membership to a gym and must use it. If not then they should be penalized for not taking care of themselves. All in favor? Oh wait...it doesn't matter what we think.
haha
no I understand what you’re saying, usually don’t bother to proofread so it often sounds funny
Berries are nice, but Graham crackers taste pretty good too.
by alcatraz0109 on Apr 25, 2010 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Btw i knew what you meant about the signing thing its just how i read it the first time
just decided they should add something to the health care bill. Everyone should be made to get a membership to a gym and must use it. If not then they should be penalized for not taking care of themselves. All in favor? Oh wait...it doesn't matter what we think.
come on
im not the only one who thinks Teo was a horrible pick .. someone back me up
by jack is better than asante on Apr 25, 2010 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions
He is by no means an
Amazing pick, nor is he and great pick. Hell I wouldnt even list him as a good pick but he is in no way a horrible pick. Average pick is my opinion
just decided they should add something to the health care bill. Everyone should be made to get a membership to a gym and must use it. If not then they should be penalized for not taking care of themselves. All in favor? Oh wait...it doesn't matter what we think.
I don't bet against Samoans
crazy ballers man
My "t" and "y" buttons are messed up so don't bitch at me about misspelling, I'm just saying.
by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on Apr 25, 2010 2:32 AM EDT up reply actions
"When guys like McShay"
McShay’s football scouting IQ is in the negatives. He screwed over Wooden in 2007 and Snead in this year’s draft.
Once upon a time, Mel Kiper was the primary target of NFL scouts; Kiper has been supplanted by his on-air protege/rival at ESPN, Todd McShay. As McShay’s profile increases, and as he takes on the likes of quarterback Jimmy Clausen for reasons that many league insiders believe have no merit, McShay becomes a magnet for criticism.
“Most people at my level feel he is a joke,” a veteran NFL scout told us via e-mail. “People in the league respect Kiper. He is not a true scout but he does work at it. A lot of his info he gets from connections in the league, and over the years he has made quite a few. When he was younger he used to burn some bridges. He doesn’t do that any more.”
So what about McShay?
“McShay does not have any good connections,” the source opined. "Higher-ups in the league think he is an arrogant asshole. A know-it-all. And he really knows nothing. Whatever he says about a quarterback, take it to the bank, it will be the opposite. Remember, last August he stated that Jevan Snead was better than Colt McCoy and would get drafted in the top five. He has yet to publicly retract that statement.
“One of the reasons the kid came out was because of what McShay said. The family thought McShay knew and everyone else was wrong. . . . He has problems with game management, accuracy and leadership among other things, but pretty boy Todd thought he was great because of one good game (the Cotton Bowl) a year ago. McShay is a pretty face who comes across like he knows what he is talking about. He does have good presence, but knows nothing.”
A common name we’ve heard when it comes to McShay is Andre Woodson. McShay championed Woodson during the 2007 season. Woodson ended up being a sixth-round pick, and he’s now out of the league.
The teams knew that Woodson wasn’t as good as McShay was saying. The problem is that the player and his family don’t have access to what the teams are thinking. The player and his family see and hear the stuff that gets played on television, and they tend to believe it when ESPN attaches to the talking head the phony, official-sounding title of “director of college scouting.”
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/31/todd-mcshay-backlash-builds/
"College is only 4 years. The Eagles are a lifetime pursuit." - IronHank
by RyanGiggs11 on Apr 25, 2010 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
yea
and mel kiper has picked some guys wrong too .. so have the teams .. look at the teams who picked ryan leaf and andre ware .. so yea .. big deal if he got a few qbs wrong .. mcshay knows his shit .. hes smart ..and thats only one persons opinion of him .. that proves nothing ..
by jack is better than asante on Apr 25, 2010 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions
“Higher-ups in the league think he is an arrogant asshole. A know-it-all.
Yeah, just one. And to quote again:
And he really knows nothing. Whatever he says about a quarterback, take it to the bank, it will be the opposite. Remember, last August he stated that Jevan Snead was better than Colt McCoy and would get drafted in the top five. He has yet to publicly retract that statement.
"College is only 4 years. The Eagles are a lifetime pursuit." - IronHank
You gotta stop knocking on my school man… not cool.
And hey, not a diss on you but I really hope you’re wrong about Teo, hopefully he’ll be a good situation rusher.
by notfromphilly on Apr 25, 2010 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Next year, barring injury, you'll have the #1 overall draft pick.
Then what will JIBTA say?
"College is only 4 years. The Eagles are a lifetime pursuit." - IronHank
huh?
"I think pro athletes should be forced to use steroids. I think we as fans deserve the greatest athletes science can create."- Daniel Tosh
If Football Had A Church , Brian Dawkins Would Be My Preacher. -NPK
Creator of "Jibta" - NPK
"i know talent .. the eagles do not " – JIBTA
by NorthPhillyKid on Apr 25, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
nm
"I think pro athletes should be forced to use steroids. I think we as fans deserve the greatest athletes science can create."- Daniel Tosh
If Football Had A Church , Brian Dawkins Would Be My Preacher. -NPK
Creator of "Jibta" - NPK
"i know talent .. the eagles do not " – JIBTA
by NorthPhillyKid on Apr 25, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Jake Locker
Sorry for the confusion.
"College is only 4 years. The Eagles are a lifetime pursuit." - IronHank
"he went to fucking washington... thats not a good school"
Interesting, because your gods in the mocking industry (Kiper mostly) has Jake Locker as the #1 overall pick for next year. Seems like there are some good players on that team, but I guess according to you there are none. Te’o is automatically bad because he played for the Huskies? Shame on you, JIBTA, shame on you. Generalizations must be your best friends.
"College is only 4 years. The Eagles are a lifetime pursuit." - IronHank
a worthy rebuttal
that JIBTA will surely ignore
My "t" and "y" buttons are messed up so don't bitch at me about misspelling, I'm just saying.
by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on Apr 25, 2010 2:36 AM EDT up reply actions
JIBTA got that line of thinking from me.
That’s cause I’ve said that because JIBTA goes to Stockton, he will only be qualified to be a janitor or a pimp, which is similar to his Husky argument. The argument breaker is that Westy went to Villanova – not what you would call a great football school.
But I was just kidding. Many graduates from Stockton are paroled and go on to become useful members of society. :)
A lot of them get drafted by Ronald McDonald.
I don't know what it is about your face,
[holds up fist]
but I just wanna deliver one of these right in your suck hole.
That clown
…never won a super bowl either.
by IggleGreen on Apr 25, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol
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by NorthPhillyKid on Apr 25, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
+1 DM lol
"I think pro athletes should be forced to use steroids. I think we as fans deserve the greatest athletes science can create."- Daniel Tosh
If Football Had A Church , Brian Dawkins Would Be My Preacher. -NPK
Creator of "Jibta" - NPK
"i know talent .. the eagles do not " – JIBTA
by NorthPhillyKid on Apr 25, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
A good guy can go to a bad school Jibta
Jerry Rice went to Mississippi Valley State
Marc Gastineau went to East Central State (which is in Oklahoma)
Brian Westbrook went to Villanova
And by the way, since I was a student at Washington in the time of the Purple Haze, it’s not like they’ve always been a bad team.
By the way, the Jags picking Tyson Alualu in the first was a much greater reach.
If we’d gotten Sapp with Te’o-Nesheim’s pick and him with Sapp’s, would you feel better about it?
Officially contributing to worldwide confusion since 1997
westbrook
westbrook is over rated too
by jack is better than asante on Apr 25, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
o and dont get me started
dont start me off on jerry rice lol
by jack is better than asante on Apr 25, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
You did not just say that on this blog!
We’ve always valued him highly, but never OVERvalued him
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
yes
im pretending thats what they did to make me feel better about throwing away a third rounder
by jack is better than asante on Apr 25, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
that's a great point
I think people would be easier on our grades if we had simply reversed the order of those two guys.
It’s funny that you have to grab guys where the media wants them taken in order to get a good grade from the media…for whatever that’s worth
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
Exactly.
What McShay, Kiper, Prisco, etc. think means nothing.
If Andy Reid got the guys he wanted at the value he believed they were worth (or a little lower), then it was a good draft.
Berries are nice, but Graham crackers taste pretty good too.
by alcatraz0109 on Apr 25, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
no
andy reids guys turn out to be bryan smith .. jerome mcdougal ..matt mccoy .. matt ware .. these guys have grades for a reason .. and taking a shitty player in round 3 with a 6th round grade is unaceptable
by jack is better than asante on Apr 25, 2010 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I broke this down already. Round 6 grade by who? It doesn't matter.
Aargh… trying to convince you of something is like trying to chop a tree down with a herring, so I’m going to stop. I’m not going to type the same thing over and over again to have you ignore it, because you have no grasp of logic and can’t be bothered to listen to someone else.
Berries are nice, but Graham crackers taste pretty good too.
by alcatraz0109 on Apr 25, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
by
everyone not named andy reid!!
by jack is better than asante on Apr 26, 2010 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
and u cant prove it
u havent showed me one report where hes rated higher
by jack is better than asante on Apr 26, 2010 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree with JIBTA.
Terrence Trent D’Arby (our 3rd round pick) is an F-.
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
haha
yea bro i knew u wouldnt like that garbage pick either
by jack is better than asante on Apr 25, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Is there a grade lower than F-?
I flipped the fuck out when I heard that pick.
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
hahah
so did i .. i was like who the fuck is that .. and than i read every scouting report i could find and i flipped even more
by jack is better than asante on Apr 25, 2010 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
What I gather from this post...
Since JIBTA gave Nate Allen, Ricky Sapp, Charles Scott, and Jamar Chaney all A’s or above, we can basically assume that they’ll be cut from the team by the end of the 2011 Training Camp.
damn it
i really liked those guys
The Kolb Era has begun....
Kolb - a heavy medieval war club with a spiked or flanged metal head, used to crush armor - Wikipedia of course
I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
RIP JJ
by sports00fan00 on Apr 25, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
And the worst grades will be pro bowlers
although I don’t quite get the Clayton pick. Whatever, we’ll find out in due time.
Berries are nice, but Graham crackers taste pretty good too.
by alcatraz0109 on Apr 25, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
And I was gonna get an Allen jersey
"Sugah n' rainbows"
"We will steal the show, jolly Rogers go, we are wolves of the sea."
Yeah I know
Nate Allen was my favorite pick this weekend… but you know the way of the great JIBTA… whoever he predicts to be great usually turns out to be not-so-great.
Graham I sort of agree
Personally I thought if they were trading up for a de it would be Morgan not Graham. That being said I am still ecstatic about the Graham pick and give it an a rather.
by Desean Da Man on Apr 25, 2010 1:09 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Breaking NEWS:
Jack Ike approves of this draft. Two thumbs up. He gives it an:
A
as in torn ACL!
For the Love of the Game
MonSTARZ forever!
Well that post didn't suck.
I can’t say I agree with you 100%, but only because I hate to predict camp performance of new draftees, just as I hate to predict the draft itself. However, JIBTA seemed fair, respectful and objective in this post. He also reserched a lot. So I give him an…
A.
And I Rec his post. Stop blinking everyone, you may never see this again.
Except for the #86 - DT'N comment, of course.
Still, he better get cut. There’s no way I’m typing that frikking name out, ever. EVER!
haha
i dunno what to say .. i got one rec and its from igglegreen . .what is the world coming to?
by jack is better than asante on Apr 25, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow...
DTN was one of my favorite players in the whole draft. Well before the Eagles drafted both of them, I thought DTN was the west coast version of Brandon Graham.
And DTN is actually more physically gifted then Graham. And of course, JIBTA hates him. Well..hates Graham too.
But JIBTA likes JPP. Shit…I was just starting to warm up to this dude. Figures that JIBTA’s got the same hard on for him the Giants front office does.
Joking aside….DTN was one of my favorite players in the whole draft. To write him off cuz he went to Washington and a bunch of internet scouts don’t like it, is laughable…
You all didn’t get the steal of the draft with Ricky Sapp. You got it with DTN. I’ll keep an eye on this dude, even if I hope he doesn’t win you any games and come down with the flu when you play the Giants.
I agree
DTN was one of my favorite players in the whole draft.
Same here. I’ve been singing his praises for a little while now. I think people are pissed about this pick because “experts” like Mel Kiper and Todd McShay (who’ve never had a job in the NFL) had him as a 4th rounder at the earliest. Fans get too influenced by the so-called experts.
You all didn’t get the steal of the draft with Ricky Sapp. You got it with DTN.
I like the Sapp pick where we got him, but in the 3rd there’s no doubt I’d take DTN over Sapp.
I’ll keep an eye on this dude, even if I hope he doesn’t win you any games and come down with the flu when you play the Giants.
Haha I don’t blame you.
agree with you on Sapp
I think at worst he’s a pass rushing SAM and he could also be another Cole if he bulks up.
Its just funny..and it shows where JIBTA is coming from, that cuz the Eagles drafted this dude and the National Football Post says he’s a 7th rounder.
I mean, what if Jerry Reese or Coughlin, or Banner or Andy Reid went and made a 7 round mock draft for all of us?
What would we say then? Would it look like Wes Bunting’s mock?
Andy Reid and co. had DTN where he was drafted if not higher. Jerry Reese had all his players where they were if not higher.
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 25, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
True
at a certain point, people’s board vary. If the Eagles thought he was a good value where they got him, great.
But at the same time, if nobody else thought that (not that there’s any way to know that) then it’s not a good pick, even if he ends up being a good player.
In the end, since we can never know if DTN was on other NFL teams’ boards as a late 3rd/early 4th, then it’s impossible to tell if the Eagles did well there. And in the end, all that matters two months from now and beyond is if he produces or doesn’t.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
I absolutely disagree 100%. If you take DTN a round too early and he is a good player who cares if you could have gotten him a round later. The purpose of the draft is to get good football players, not good “draft value.”
The 3rd round and later are basically a crap shoot anyways, get good players wherever you want I don’t care if some people will say it is too early.
by You don't have to be sweet, to be good on Apr 25, 2010 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd
Berries are nice, but Graham crackers taste pretty good too.
by alcatraz0109 on Apr 25, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Nobody's saying the draft's purpose is anything but
“to get good football players.” That’s not the debate at all.
If you could reasonably expect to get the same good football player in the 4th that you took in the 3rd, then theoretically you could add another good football player in the 3rd, therefore accumulating more good football players.
Because we can never know if you really would have been able to get someone in the 4th that you took in the 3rd, it’s not really worth debating at length. But as a theory, it’s certainly legitimate.
Other than that, I completely stand by my earlier post. If you really can’t grasp why it would be beneficial not to take players “a round too early” (if you could ever actually define that), then I’m not really concerned that you disagree 100%.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
yea
but ur saying a round to early .. which i am ok on .. im not ok on taking Teo three rounds to early
by jack is better than asante on Apr 27, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
When we cut this guy in camp...
What will people say then?
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
exactly
evil banner gets it .. thats exactly why bryan smith and tony hunt and matt mccoy are not on this team anymore!
by jack is better than asante on Apr 25, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Not going to happen, ignoring for the fact that this guy has never played a down of football in the NFL or even done a single drill in a minicamp before we have decided he sucks(he may I don’t love the pick either purely from a position standpoint) they aren’t going to cut a 3rd round pick after having him for just 3 or so months. This scenario just isn’t going to happen, NFL teams don’t cut 3rd rounders the year they draft them. Period.
by You don't have to be sweet, to be good on Apr 25, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
ehh
imma find precident for you .. im sure its happend before
by jack is better than asante on Apr 26, 2010 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
If it will make you feel any better just transpose where Sapp and DTN were drafted.
I'm not drunk I'm just drinking.
I'm surprised more people haven't said this ...
… I did the same thing with Strasburg this year in fantasy baseball. Went way high to get him, then came back 3 and 4 rounds later with the other guys I would have taken in that spot, in effect ending up with everyone I wanted … I just got spooked a little bit and went to get the guy I most felt I couldn’t live without early.
If the Eagles felt DTN was a must-have, and they reached … they might come out of this plenty pleased with what they did.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
I agree with your analysis of the Te’o pick. Such a reach that it really threw a damper on the whole draft for me. This thing would have looked so much better on paper if we had just grabbed an Offensive lineman there. To ignore the OLine completely just seems careless to me.
by andyreidswaistline on Apr 25, 2010 12:16 PM EDT reply actions
You know what really grinds my gears?
When JIBTA says this player “will never be… this or that”. Like he’s a prophet or some shit. Or Ms. Cleo who said LeBron will be playing for the Washington Wizards next. P-P-P-Please.
Reminder: His name is “jack is better than asante”. Haha LMAO – Does Jack even play in the NFL now or is he working at Game Stop?
game stop ... lol
Hey man, you have discovered the irony of JIBTA.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
Do you mean he works at Game Stop?
If not, it completely went over my head.
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
That's different than 95% of what is on here how?
Pontificating on the draft is almost all BS at this point. JIBTA is jus putting his 2 cents in. That’s all.
its just annoying how his predictions or guesses, cuz thats all they are, are said like theres no way he could be wrong and what he says is just obviously true..
yea
well i dont think i am ever wrong ;-)
by jack is better than asante on Apr 25, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
dude
that shit is old .. how long are u random ppl gonna use that shit .. excuse me but who the fuck are you JCC? just wondering
by jack is better than asante on Apr 25, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice comeback
I might get my popcorn ready for the JIBTA-JCC battle.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
yea
does it have game stop on it .. cuz no one knows what the fuck ur talkin about
by jack is better than asante on Apr 27, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
SAPP is a BUM
Got the physical tools but doesnt play up to his ability. Might be a physical freak, might have the tools, but i he thinks he can survive using only those. Watch the film, doesnt use his hands, doesnt engage blocks well, gets blocked out of plays. Might make the team out of training camp, but will never be a reliable starter.
I’ve been out of town, so this is my first chance to comment on the picks since round 3. I really like Chaney, I was really high on him so I’m happy about that. Not sure about Te’o-Nesheim, and I’m not alone there. Sapp was a good pick, Lindley was good, Scott was good, Kafka was good… I’m pretty happy with it. They key factor here is gonna be Dick Jauron and his ability to make our DBs look better than they are.
I Am Better Than Jack Who Some Fool Thinks Is Better Than Asante (IABTJWSFTIBTA)
JIBTA’s actually Jack Ikegwuonu... and he’s f***ing pissed.
36-5-20-JJ Bleeding Green Forever
My grades
Brandon Graham- A
Nate Allen- A
Daniel WTFHLNI- F
Travard Lindley- B(has potential to be a A if he plays like he did on 08, trust me on this one)
Keenan Clayton- C
Mike Kafka- C
Clay Harbor- D, no need for a TE really
Ricky Sapp- B
Riley Cooper- B, good 4th WR, can fill in very well if god forbid an injury happens
Charles Scott- A, dude is a solid runner, he’s the guy we need in some sort of jumbo package
Jamar Chaney- D
Jeff Owens- F
Coleman- F
I like most of the players we got… I think we got 2-3 starters between Graham, Allen and Lindley… 3-5 solid backups/contributers and the rest are developmental/practice squad guys.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
Here are my grades; the first grade is potential/quality and the 2nd is value
Graham: A+, B
Nate Allen: A+, A-
Daniel Te’o Nesheim: B-, D-
Trevard Lindley: A-, A
Keenan Clayton: C+, C
Mike Kafka, B-, C+
Clay Harbor: D, D-
Ricky Sapp: B+, A
Riley Cooper: B-, B
Charles Scott: A-, B+
Jamar Chaney: B+, A++ (I love this guy, would have been okay with him in the 4th)
Jeff Owens: D+, C-
Coleman: D-, C-
I Am Better Than Jack Who Some Fool Thinks Is Better Than Asante (IABTJWSFTIBTA)
JIBTA’s actually Jack Ikegwuonu... and he’s f***ing pissed.
36-5-20-JJ Bleeding Green Forever
Were on the same page really.. I'm not an A+, A- etc type of guy.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
yo wild eagle
i am with u bro .. way to give that bum and F .. i agree with u on all except chaney .. hes not a D .. a 7th rounder he is a steal .. he will make this team .. what more can u ask from a 7th rounder?
attention BGN .. wild eagle is smarter than you idiots who think Teo was a good pick just cuz eagles took him and u will defend anything they do
by jack is better than asante on Apr 25, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
also
charles scott is gonna be a starter .. well a platoon guy with mccoy in my opinion .. ala deangelo and stewart
by jack is better than asante on Apr 25, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I imagine Scott being the Johnathan Stewart type, I saw Stewart turn it on late
in the season last year, took 2-3 years but once he completely adjusted nobody could compete with him… And if Scott ends up the same way I’d take him any day.
Eh, I have Chaney that grade because it’s likely he’ll never see the field in eagles green any other time than preseason..
BTW it’s good were agreeing.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
you wild eagle
i am with u bro
(dies of shock)
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
This could n..n..never happ..en.. I see the light…..
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
haha
hes getting better .. now if he didnt care so much about character and wanted talent like marshawn who we can get cheap i would be right on board with him
by jack is better than asante on Apr 27, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Could there be a JIBTA/WE wedding one day?
They’re turning into the couple that hates eachother into one that turns that strong hate into strong love.. HAHA, I’m just kidding.
Character issues aside, I’d love Lynch. But, Roseman won’t take anyone with low character.
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
I don't get why people here think of DTN as some kind of cancer we inherited on our team.
I think he’s getting more love from fans visiting the site than he is from BGN guys.
Berries are nice, but Graham crackers taste pretty good too.
by alcatraz0109 on Apr 25, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
To be honest, I think we reached big time for him and if he were really as good as all of them
are saying there team would’ve taken him before us.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
if he were really as good as all of them are saying there team would’ve taken him before us.
You can say that about almost any draft pick, really. (except Sam Bradford)
Berries are nice, but Graham crackers taste pretty good too.
by alcatraz0109 on Apr 25, 2010 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes but these guys come on here and hype him up,
there was a reason there team didnt reach for him like we need, I think Andy just picked him so he could make that dumb joke.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
haha
there teams couldnt take him when we took him 3 rounds too early wild eagle lol
by jack is better than asante on Apr 25, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t mind him, I just don’t think he was worth the pick we got him fore. I think he’ll be a solid rotational DE/DT guy but that’s not worth a third rounder to me. If he ends up better then I’ll admit I’m wrong, but for what he’s supposed to be I think we reached.
I Am Better Than Jack Who Some Fool Thinks Is Better Than Asante (IABTJWSFTIBTA)
JIBTA’s actually Jack Ikegwuonu... and he’s f***ing pissed.
36-5-20-JJ Bleeding Green Forever
comparing talent
because someone rated them in the later rounds doesn’t suffice for me. I was watching the draft and everytime a new team was up to pick, the “experts” got most of their guesses WRONG. Who would of guess that McCoy would of got picked when he did? I say, we just wait and see what happens in training camp. Some of these guys might surprise you!
In life, as in a football game, the principle to follow is: Hit the line hard.
-Theodore Roosevelt
lets clear some think up about keenan
hes a strong saftey linebacker hybrid. hes pretty damn fast too and good in coverage. hes prolly meant to cover a tight end
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