Philadelphia Eagles Full 2010 NFL Draft
The 2010 NFL draft is in the books and the Eagles made 13 selections, with the first 5 coming on the defensive side of the ball. All told, 9 of the Eagles 13 selections were on defense.
In case you missed anything, we've got every pick right here complete with links to the story.
#13 Brandon Graham DE Michigan
#37 Nate Allen S USF
#86 Daniel Te'o-Nesheim DE Washington
#105 Trevard Lindley CB Kentucky
#121 Keenan Clayton LB Oklahoma
#122 Mike Kafka QB Northwestern
#125 Clay Harbor TE Missouri State
#200 Charles Scott RB LSU
#220 Jamar Chaney LB Mississippi State
#244 Kurt Coleman S Ohio State
Thoughts? Who do you like, who don't you like? How would you grade the draft as a whole?
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w/ grades
Berries are nice, but Graham crackers taste pretty good too.
by alcatraz0109 on Apr 24, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I...
Kinda wish we took a punter to push Sav…but you can usually get one as an unsigned FA
Do like the picks of: Graham, Allen (much better for our D than Mays), DTO, Scott, and Kafka
Dislike, No specific picks but I wish we had taken one corner early…idk much about Lindley
we have a punter to push sav already
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by NorthPhillyKid on Apr 24, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously, how many times do I have to mention this guy ...
… I wish I got paid per post. He was the best punter coming out two years ago. Redskins took him in the 6th, rushed him into the job and he flamed out midseason. But he’s got a big leg and I think he’ll take Rocca’s job. Just a hunch.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
They got rid of Donovan
They could have drafted Pol Pot, three Girl Scouts and a bean pie and Joe_D would be slapping himself with glee.
by Tracer Bullet on Apr 24, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I literally just picked myself off the floor from laughing. Too funny.
I hope I am wrong, but Kolb is a four-letter word.
by Cowboy KILLER on Apr 24, 2010 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
An A+ is as credible as any other grade IMO. We’re all just guessing at a completely arbitrary grade.
i grade your comment...
a waffle
Eagles.
by #1EaglesFan on Apr 25, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure it is… but I’m being honest when I say that I don’t have strong feelings either way. I like the top two picks. From there on out you’re guess is as good as mine as to whether any of these guys can play.
I will say that I did like the value of turning 1 pick into 5 players.
Otherwise, we’ll find out if these guys can play soon enough.
Whether or not you like the players...
The Eagles, with the way they moved around and accumulated extra picks for virtually nothing, put on an absolute clinic over the past 3 days.
I honestly can’t be happier with the way the front office conducted this draft.
There’s going to be amazing competition in camp, and this is going to be a young, exciting team for the next half decade.
the problem with accumulating extra picks
is that they still reached on a couple picks, like Clayton that could likely be had later.
If you really like a guy, you get him. If you get too cute and try to draft every player you like at the exact perfect spot, there are 31 other teams that can jump in and snatch him away. Obviously, the Eagles see something, and they’ve hit on a lot of players that nobody ever heard of in the past, so I’m a little slower to criticize them for “reaching” for a guy, especially when they had 13 picks.
Frankly I agree. I don’t think you can assume anything after the 3rd round. It’s a free for all there.
I think they made out like bandits late in the draft actually.
but yeah, I think some of their mid round picks are questionable because of who else was left on the board.
I could've
I agree, they managed to make extra picks appear out of thin air. 4 in the 4th was pretty awesome. But I could’ve been happier if they used any of the picks on some O-Line depth/competition
B+ at least
If you dont agree with graham fine,…but the rest of the draft went really well i think
you think t'eo was a good pick?
because i thought that pick was worse than the tebow pick
Eagles.
by #1EaglesFan on Apr 24, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
T'eo?
Check his combine numbers. Check his stats at UW. He is a bona fide rusher in the mold of Trent Cole. He’s gonna be very good.
Berries are nice, but Graham crackers taste pretty good too.
by alcatraz0109 on Apr 24, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
T’eo – pass rush situational DE
Graham – complete DE to compliment Cole.
RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
exactly, I think Te’o will be the DT on passing downs
by BreckBirds20 on Apr 24, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, “t’eo” is a bust. He didn’t even get drafted.
Te’o-Nesheim is a different story.
Try not to be down on someone if you can’t look them up first.
by corn on the kolb on Apr 24, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
let's ask mike mamula what he thinks about combine numbers...
and last time i checked gocong set records for sacks in d1aa. he turned out super. stats and combine numbers don’t mean a whole lot sometimes.
You cited two different people there, each with just one of those characteristics. You’re arguing another thing entirely.
DTN has combine numbers AND the production in a major conference to back that up.
Berries are nice, but Graham crackers taste pretty good too.
by alcatraz0109 on Apr 24, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
really?
combine numbers is your reasoning? Sorry, i don’t buy that. Highlights don’t mean shit either… anyone can make themselves look like superstars with 3 minutes of clips from 4 years of college. Reputation matters. If you’re a scary dude, a force to be reckoned with, then people will know you. If you’ve established a reputation then that goes a long way. this guy has none. he isn’t a powerhouse and he was taken in the third round.
Eagles.
by #1EaglesFan on Apr 24, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha so are you trying to say the more people know about you, the less likely you are to bust? That’s god awful reasoning, and much worse than a combine workout and a highlight reel. Besides, he was in the Pac-10, on a terrible team…when was the last time you watched a Washington game?
I’ll take the Eagles FO’s opinion over yours, cause unlike you and me, they get to watch the game tape on these guys…every single play that they want.
by BreckBirds20 on Apr 24, 2010 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s not about being a bust or not. It’s about value. If nobody knows the guy, why get him in the 3rd round when guys who played for great schools in tough conferences and have had tougher competition (who are much more likely to succeed) are still on the board?
I don’t know if he’s going to be a bust or not, we just could have waited for him. I doubt any team would be chomping at the bit to get him because of his combine numbers.
Eagles.
by #1EaglesFan on Apr 25, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
We, the fans, might not know about the guy, but you can bet that other teams know about the guy, they do their HW. The Eagles felt the need to be aggressive and pick him up before any other teams did. They had the luxury to do this because they still had 9 picks left at the time. I have read in several places that teams were looking at him in the 3-5 rounds…not the 6-undrafted like some here are saying.
You pick based on your own draft board, not based on national recognition. Its a similar situation with the Graham trade, maybe he wasn’t going to be picked by the Giants or Titans, and we could of gotten him later, for cheaper than we did. But the Eagles calculated the risk of that happening, stuck to their draft board, and made the trade to pick Graham. If you really like a player, you go out and get him before another team does.
by BreckBirds20 on Apr 25, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
obviously
i don’t have nearly the info the FO does and i have no idea what goes on inside that war room. I don’t have access to his tape or any of that.
My original point was saying that one thing i do strongly believe is that the Eagles didn’t select him because of his combine numbers. And when people say “look at him combine numbers” or “his highlight reel is good” I say “who gives a shit. look at his school. look at his competition. look at his reputation. this seems like a ‘roll the dice’ pick in the 3rd round.”
I think you have good points, and you’re certainly not wrong. obviously the FO has an idea and they are going for it. It just sucks when multiple better, proven college fooball players are still there in the 3rd. I personally didn’t like it. it’s my opinion. Unfortunately (or more like, fortunately) my opinion weighs an ant’s asshair in comparison to the guys inside.
Eagles.
by #1EaglesFan on Apr 25, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok, look at his school. University of Washington. Big school.
Look at his competition, PAC-10. He played against schools like USC, Cal, & Oregon. Major conference, very high level of competition.
Look at his production. All time schooler leader in sacks. Two time all PAC-10 player. Really good production.
This isn’t Chris Gocong from D1A Cal Poly. This is a very productive player from a major school that plays major competition. This is a proven college football player in every sense of the word.
Rep matters?
Tony Mandarich was hailed as the “Next Big Thing” by Sports Illustrated.
People thought Ryan Leaf would be a better QB than Peyton Manning.
Had you ever heard of Trent Cole and Brent Celek before they were taken by us?
Point is, rep really doesn’t matter. Talent matters. The way Reid and Roseman see them matters. Not the way the fans perceive them.
If the draft went by fan perception, Tim Tebow and Taylor Mays would go undrafted and Colt McCoy would go 4th overall. That’s not how it works. Leave the true evaluation to the professionals.
Berries are nice, but Graham crackers taste pretty good too.
by alcatraz0109 on Apr 24, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
On Tebow
People act like the kid has good character, but doesn’t belong on a football field. John Clayton said you might as well draft choir boys…
The dude was INCREDIBLE in college. Granted, it was a different system than the NFL, and there are some question marks about whether he’ll be able to transition well, but since he’s been successful at every level he’s played in so far, I don’t understand why people won’t give him the benefit of the doubt.
Everyone might be right, he might be a bust…BUT he also might just be a good athlete and quick learner. I’m gonna root for the kid, if he turns out to be a bust, o-well.
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
No, I’m with you. I think he could be great. Best QB in this draft in my opinion.
I Am Better Than Jack Who Some Fool Thinks Is Better Than Asante (IABTJWSFTIBTA)
JIBTA’s actually Jack Ikegwuonu... and he’s f***ing pissed.
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possibly
Bradford played in a spread offense and he’s coming off shoulder surgery, thrust into a situation where he’s likely the starter on day 1…and he’s supposed to be AWESOME!
Tebow has shown the determination to work, the ability to be successful, and has the time in Denver to do it without any pressure…the situation alone seems to be more prone to be successful
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
I should add
that the biggest knock on Tebow is that he played in a spread offense. Why is this a bigger deal for Tebow than anyone else in that position? It only really matters to a QB that needs to be ready to start day 1. It’s the same with receivers. Yes…WRs that came from prostyle offenses generally are better early, but there is no data to suggest that they’re more successful over the span of a career
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
Without any pressure?
Really? The team traded it’s franchise QB and then traded up in the first round for Tebow. He’s under tremendous pressure and isn’t going to have years to sit on the bench.
Josh McDaniels won’t be there in 3 years if it takes that long to get Tebow on the field. He’s got one at most to sit and learn.
I only say 'without pressure'
because no one is expecting him to start right away. His flaws have been endlessly documented, and the pick of him has been absolutely ridiculed. Yes, for McDaniel’s sake, he’ll face pressure to be successful, but no one else seems to expect much.
Orton isn’t bad, he can buy Tebow a year or two
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
Maybe a year, but two for a first round pick? I don’t know what fanbase let alone owner would stand for a first round pick to sit on the sidelines for two years.
If that’s what he needed, that’s why he shouldn’t have been a first round pick.
If after a year he’s not starting the pressure will start to mount on him, the coach, and the organization.
He's style of play is gunna get him killed in the NFL.
I don’t wish anyone to get hurt, but I have a feeling he’s gunna be concussion prone…
by FlyEagles15 on Apr 26, 2010 2:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You don’t know what his reputation is. This guy was named to the all PAC 10 team more than once. He won his team’s defensive MVP award and was team captain. This is a for a big D1 school in a major conference. That’s not a reputation?
He was a really good player in college. We’ll see how his pro career turns out, but it’s silly to act like no one has ever heard of him.
good point
I mean just because i never heard of him doesn’t mean no one has and he sucks. But the people who do know about him (excluding our FO) have very few good things to say about his ability to perform at he next level.
But as we know, the draft is a complete crapshoot. Stars and busts are born from every round… I was just hoping to go for a player with a lower risk of being a bust i.e. a player who played at a better school and made his team better…. washington was something like 5-7.
But now here I am opening a new can of worms…. “oh, so because a player is on a bad team, it means he will be an automatic bust?” That’s not what i’m saying at all, my point is that in my humble and often wrong opinion, he was not the best option on the board especially after we drafted Graham 1st rd… ESPECIALLY since we took ZERO offensive lineman.
Eagles.
by #1EaglesFan on Apr 25, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
To be fair, there’s not a person connected with the Washington program that wouldn’t say that Te’o didn’t make them better. He was clearly a bright spot for them.
I’m certainly not acting like I think this guy will be good or bad in the pros, I really have no idea. I’m just saying that this is a productive player from a big program that plays against a very high level of competition. Those teams are consistently among the best in college football.
At least I didnt give it an F or anything
I like most of the picks, I just think that we missed a few key areas where we couldve gotten some better value at positions we needed
I feel ok about this draft
They knew where the glaring problems were and made an effort to address them. They were also aggressive here and there. They fact that they went Defense with this draft, again, shows they are trying to get it fixed and get it fixed fast. I don’t agree with Reid very much but the fact that he stated
Really, we went into this off-season wanting to better ourselves on the defensive line and we think that this helps us out and the thing I know with a good defensive line is it makes everyone around them better. So when you have a defensive line that’s getting after it, all of a sudden the corners look a little better and the safeties look a little better and the linebackers look a little better.Lets me know, he knows whats up!
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
Look at Giants 2008 Superbowl run
Secondary was full of unproven and or rookie players and had an Old LB or two. But their D-Line was ridiculously good which masked some things in their defensive back field! Even the Patriots…Asante is indeed a good player, but was a nickle back there. And Hobbs was very solid for them. But they both have some serious faults yet the Pats D-Line was awesome which masked some of their secondaries faults. Hopefully we get our D-Line goin’!!!
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
yah...
you can’t compare anything to the Giants…their d’line was Strahan/Tuck/Robbins/Osi…that’s a pretty disgusting line..
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Apr 24, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
what do u mean...AND u just proved my point
The Giants had a nasty D-Line which made their secondary look really good. That is what Reid is trying to do. Create a better D-line to help out or secondary!!!!!
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
i mean...
you’re talking bascially bout 3 pro bowlers on a 4 man line…cole is the only beast we have on the line…that’s what im sayin..
i understand your point, and i agree with the philosophy….but you’re comparing what was the best line in the league that year to what the eagles have right now…that’s a bit of a stretch.
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Apr 24, 2010 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
no no no
I said that that is what Reid is “trying”…..Trying to do. Know one knows how our new D-Line will pan out as of right now. Thats common sense man. Im simply sayn that if our D-line gets better then our secondary should look better as well. In no way did I claim that our current D-line looks same as the Giants line of 2008. Ur looking wayy to far ahead man. hahaha
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
Why is Cole the only pro bowler?
Bunk is pro bowl caliber. If Graham works out then bam we have three.
And to be honest, we don’t really need 3 pro bowlers. If Te’o-Nesheim and Graham and Tapp between the three produce 10 sacks and 60 tackles, we’re in the money. Patterson and Bunk are among the top five DT combos, if DT-N/Tapp/Graham add inside sacks in passrush situations all the better. We have a lot of talent up front now, a lot of fast guys good against both run and pass.
by Alon on Apr 24, 2010 11:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
ill start with..
i never said even cole was a pro bowler, i just said he’s the only beast. i love bunkley and cole. patterson is good but wouldnt mind an upgrade. all i was sayin was that line was disgusting, and no offense to our own line, it doesnt compare to that line. if you can’t admit that line was ridiculous, then you gotta take off the green glasses. i really like our line, it was just a comparison to that line that won the giants the super bowl. all we need is a good LE and the line is gonna be damn good, hopefully graham is that end. if he’s cole 2.0, eagles won’t have missed a beat w/ this transition.
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Apr 26, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Woah
I’m not claiming anything about our line approaching that line. It could, if Graham turns out and our other draftees turn up the heat, approximate that line effectively enough.
And Cole is obviously a beast & Pro Bowler, so while i see that you’re picking nits, I think the distinction is kind of a silly one. If someone’s pro-bowl caliber, they’re probably a beast, and vice versa (depending on what you mean by beast)
the point..
our line is not as sick as that line.
didnt say anything bout pro bowlers on our line.
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Apr 26, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Only thing i'm worried about is O-line and CB
other than thought this draft was terrific
Graham and Allen = A
Daniel Te’o-Nesheim = C-
Trevard Lindley = C
Keenan Clayton= C-
Mike Kafka = B-
Clay Harbor = B
Ricky Sapp = B
Riley Cooper = B
Charles Scott = B+
Jamar Chaney = B
Jeff Owens = ?
Kurt Coleman = ?
"If I can get you to think twice, I'm in your head."
-Brian Dawkins
"Yeah, I like to hit people"
-Brandon Graham
my personal grades...
based on value at pick
- Brandon Graham DE Michigan – B+
- Nate Allen S USF – A-
- Daniel Te’o-Nesheim DE Washington – F
- Trevard Lindley CB Kentucky – C
- Keenan Clayton LB Oklahoma – D
- Mike Kafka QB Northwestern – B-
- Clay Harbor TE Missouri State – B-
- Ricky Sapp DE Clemson – B-
- Riley Cooper WR Florida – B+
- Charles Scott RB LSU – B
- Jamar Chaney LB Mississippi State – B+
- Jeff Owens DT Georgia – N/A
- Kurt Coleman S Ohio State – N/A
this would probably average to a C+ which i think is fair. te-o is the huge outlier on this one, but it is what it is. i think the middle of the draft was horrible, but it could have been worse i guess. hopefully some of these players can prove me wrong.
come on, give graham an A-
this guy is the REAL DEAL, guaranteed
"If I can get you to think twice, I'm in your head."
-Brian Dawkins
"Yeah, I like to hit people"
-Brandon Graham
I agree with all these
except graham, graham i would give an A
by Desean Da Man on Apr 24, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah o-Line is makin me nervous
I hope Hobbs can fill in at corner and be decent. Anyone know how j. Jacksons rehab is going? Is he expected to be ready come season opener?
by FlyEagles15 on Apr 26, 2010 2:53 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
B+
I see at least 3 starters who could contribute coming out of training camp this year. With at least another 3 or 4 guys who could be rotational type guys or big special teams players. This will be a interesting draft class to watch develop and it should be interesting to see what kind of undrafted free agents we are going to bring in.
If I had to choose 2 words to describe this draft they would be...
“Surprising” and “hyperactive”
Surprising because:
1) No offensive line drafted
2) Less emphasis on the secondary than I expected (which was considered the biggest hole on the team going into the draft)
3) All those defensive linemen – I looked over some draft predictions here on BGN (Route36’s challenge) and while some people predicted Te’o-Nesheim, nobody predicted him, Sapp, and Graham. I think McDermott wants to build a set of sack monsters.
4) Some players that were definite under-the-radar picks: Harbor, Lindley, Kafka, Scott, Cooper
Hyperactive because of all those trades up, down, and sideways.
Most conventional / predictable pick: Allen
Caught everyone by surprise: trading up for Graham, getting Sapp after Te’o-Nesheim (and after drafting both him and Graham)
Probable frequent fan outbursts: “Who?” “No corner yet?” “How could we pass on (insert hot prospect)?”
I hope this means: 2 of Cole, McGlynn, and Andrews are ready to start games
Officially contributing to worldwide confusion since 1997
I whole heartedly agree on your final point.
This better mean that we’re ready to go on our O-Line day-1.
I think this probably speaks volumes for McGlynn.
by corn on the kolb on Apr 24, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree
I also think it means we hit OL hard in the ’11 draft.
I’m glad we fortified the defense with this draft though.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
I think OL and CB will be the focus next year.
Berries are nice, but Graham crackers taste pretty good too.
by alcatraz0109 on Apr 24, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Out of all of these picks
i think i can see 2 immediate started in graham and allen
By the way did anyone see Brandon Graham swim and spin moves? His spin move was PERFECTION, best i have ever seen out of college
"If I can get you to think twice, I'm in your head."
-Brian Dawkins
"Yeah, I like to hit people"
-Brandon Graham
You must not have seen Freeney at Syracuse
Homer: Aw, twenty dollars! I wanted a peanut!
Homer's Brain: Twenty dollars can buy many peanuts!
Homer: Explain how!
Homer's Brain: Money can be exchanged for goods and services!
Homer: Woo-hoo!
by bigbluethruandthru on Apr 25, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
hahaha nice
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
This draft deserves a solid A.
The potential in these players is almost limitless. I think all of these guys have the potential to make a measurable impact on the Eagles in one form or another. Not all of them will (it’s just how things work), but I couldn’t tell you who will be disasters for sure.
And while I might have wanted to see at least one OL drafted, I’m not going to despair; I think that last year’s problems can be solved by having a year to gel (and have better health).
Berries are nice, but Graham crackers taste pretty good too.
i'm very surprised we didn't draft OL.
there’s no way that we’re happy with queen dunlap.
"it's like i tell my ex-wife, i never drive faster than i can see, and besides it's all in the reflexes." -Jack Burton, Big trouble in little China
We still have Tupou.
And we’ll surely bring in a UFA or three to try to beat him out.
Berries are nice, but Graham crackers taste pretty good too.
by alcatraz0109 on Apr 24, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Not to mention
if they really had to, they’d move Andrews or Herremans out if it were for a long period of time.
Either that or I’m just way down on Dunlap.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
A solid A?
Drafting Terence Trent D’Arby in the third round as the backup to the backup to Tapp? What? We need to come to our collective senses around here. C is average. This was average. This is a C draft.
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
I like all the young guys
More competition, less hesitant to stick their nose in there, pressure on some vets to get going… overall a solid, solid draft
A-
Chaney and Scott picks at the end made me :)
5 of those players are possible starters.
Jim Johnson(RIP). Brian Westbrook(36). Donovan Mcnabb(5). Brian Dawkins(20). Sheldon Brown(24). Jeremiah Trotter(54).
Thanks for the memories...
by Route36 on Apr 24, 2010 5:27 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
was projected as late 3rd early 4th
"If I can get you to think twice, I'm in your head."
-Brian Dawkins
"Yeah, I like to hit people"
-Brandon Graham
agreed... i see 3 at the highest...
offense is already set.
defense will probably be…
rde – cole
dt – patterson
dt- bunkley
lde – graham
will – sims
mlb – bradley
sam – one of the rookies
cb – hobbs
cb – samuel
fs – jackson or allen
ss – mikell
4...
if you consider we essentially spent a 5th-rounder for Ernie Sims
Berries are nice, but Graham crackers taste pretty good too.
by alcatraz0109 on Apr 24, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
ernie sims wasn't in the 2010 draft, silly...
but if you want to play that game, we lost a starter (donovan mcnabb) for a draft pick so your 4 minus donovan’s 1 still equals 3.
math is power!
touche
Berries are nice, but Graham crackers taste pretty good too.
by alcatraz0109 on Apr 24, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Jordan has not lost his job yet
"Buy low sell high!"
Notice how I said “possible”, not guaranteed. Lindley also might start at right corner mid-season. One of the rookie backers also could win the WILL job over Sims.
Jim Johnson(RIP). Brian Westbrook(36). Donovan Mcnabb(5). Brian Dawkins(20). Sheldon Brown(24). Jeremiah Trotter(54).
Thanks for the memories...
by Route36 on Apr 24, 2010 11:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well, that all depends on if any of these guys can play…
That said, offensive line would be the obvious thing they didn’t take. Although, If Stacy Andrews can actually play than O-line isn’t that big of a deal. Obviously I’m skeptical about him though.
My impression is that Reid feels they are set there
Otherwise there were several moves that could have been made: Fraley, Rabach, or Mawae, for example, or a different free agent signing, or a trade for someone. I think the lack of an o-line pick in this draft says pretty conclusively that Reid felt one wasn’t needed. Let’s hope he’s right.
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Maybe they'll take a loan on Faneca?
One year deal and address OL in the draft with a high pick next year? Maybe?
I don't think he's right.
He thought that same shit last year. What happened?
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
Marlin/Hobbs/Hanson/Lindley isn't the worst thing in the world.
Berries are nice, but Graham crackers taste pretty good too.
by alcatraz0109 on Apr 24, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
It really isn't
Especially with an improved rush
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
they might have helped it
with lindley and after reid’s comments yesterday it seems like the safeties are in the mix too
R.I.P. #34
R.I.P. JJ
"This is America, if we can’t self-righteously look down on others and blame them for our faults, the commies win."-----Cormican on Aug 13, 2009 7:28 PM PDT
A-
"I think pro athletes should be forced to use steroids. I think we as fans deserve the greatest athletes science can create."- Daniel Tosh
If Football Had A Church , Brian Dawkins Would Be My Preacher. -NPK
Creator of "Jibta" - NPK
"i know talent .. the eagles do not " – JIBTA
B
Because it was a really well-managed draft— lot of smart moves, really great first and second round picks, couple of late round steal-type picks. It’s not an A though, cuz we only got one corner and no OL. If they’re planning on signing Faneca in the next day or two, then that might push this to a B+/A- situation.
Some of these players will be good, some won’t. It’s a good thing they got 13.
A-
Still shocked at the fact that we didn’t get any offensive linemen. But overall, this has been one hell of a draft. I don’t remember moving around that many times since…ever, maybe.
A
Ranking the draft in terms of direct need for the team, and considering everything, I give a simple grade of A. Not A-, not A+, just A.
Absolutely our Front Office masterfully manipulated the generation of extra draft picks. I had/have no complaints about any of the trade downs. Extra picks are gold.
I think everyone agrees- Graham and Allen are both solid picks who should start as soon as they have a number assigned.
I don’t mind getting depth on the d-line, considering how we do rotate. But… why so many high motor people if we’re rotating so heavily? I’m not giving up on Victor or Laws yet, and I understand not all the DE’s we drafted are DE’s, but still.
I’d rather have seen OL picked up somewhere in the 5th and 6th, and one corner taken somewhere in the first 3 rounds.
Ideally, I think I’d have sat pat on round 1 and drafted McCourty (or best available) and still snatched a safety in round 2. As it worked out, we ended up with T’O (is this what we’re going to call him for short? you know, with the apostrophe and all?) and 34,256 other rotational guys. And we’d be walking away with a quality starting CB.
If we wanted to trade up into 1, why not take Graham, Allen where we got him, and take Sean Lee ourselves? tbh he’s a fit. Or chill like we did and nab a random O-Lineman (some huge OT’s went around this area).
Or, make an investment of Colt McCoy. Having two quality young QB’s on the roster worked out for the Chargers. Colt McCoy would have been added value either dealing him or Kolb in 2-3 years. We get our pick back, our choice of the two QB’s, and someone I think would have been a homerun in our system.
But, lots of solid special team additions at the end raise the rank to simply an A.
I’d prefer to see 2 less DE’s, and some type of addition to our O-Line.
by corn on the kolb on Apr 24, 2010 5:34 PM EDT reply actions
you don;t want a guy behind kolb
esp a young guy, who will be like kolbs shadow the whole season, and whenever kolb messes up people will be screaming to trade him and go with mccoy. i don’t think that would help him mentally. Instead they got a qb, who they can teach but won’t be ready to go for 3 or 4 years, by that time the jury will def be out on Kolb.
"Although I may not agree with what you're saying, I'll fight to the death for your right to say it. Good day, sir." Pete Griffin
Clearly a grade of D-poor draft management
Numerous screwups Roseman-Reid. Paying way too high a price for T’eo. Messed up the sequence getting a cornerback, no O-line picks. out and out sucks!
by DaveinWestChester on Apr 24, 2010 5:35 PM EDT reply actions
D? What are you smoking?
Berries are nice, but Graham crackers taste pretty good too.
by alcatraz0109 on Apr 24, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
""Five cornerbacks went in the first round on Thursday and another five went in the second and third rounds yesterday. Three of those corners – Jerome Murphy of South Florida, Amari Spievey of Iowa and Myron Lewis of Vanderbilt – went in succession at the top of the third round after the Eagles traded down out of the second round with the Cowboys.""
by DaveinWestChester on Apr 24, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
""and then didn’t pick again until 49 selections later when they drafted a defensive end, Daniel Te’o-Nesheim of Washington, who was projected as a sixth- or seventh-rounder by many draft analysts. Te’o-Nesheim obviously seemed to believe those projections, because he wasn’t even watching the draft last night when the Eagles called him to let him know they were taking him with the 22nd pick in the third round.""
by DaveinWestChester on Apr 24, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Two questions.
1. How do you know Lindley won’t be better than any of the early 3rd-rounders? He seems like he could develop into a good complement to Asante, and having Jauron sure will help.
2. Why are you so down on Te’o-Nesheim? The guy was a superb pass rusher in a top conference, and put up extraordinary numbers at the Combine. Go to Stampede Blue, and you will find guys there hoping they would get him in the 2ND ROUND. He has tremendous upside, lots more than nearly all of the other DEs left, and showed better athleticism and numbers than JPP or Morgan.
Berries are nice, but Graham crackers taste pretty good too.
by alcatraz0109 on Apr 24, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Surely you mean it’s a D because you don’t like the players selected, and not because you think it was a poorly-managed draft?
They turned pick 55 into FIVE picks.
Poorly managed draft. Gave up quality picking positions, 5 picks in the first 87 picks, for players that will be lucky to make special teams. They went for quantity, not quality. And even then, they still screwed it up with the trade-down with the Cowboys!
by DaveinWestChester on Apr 24, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Who do you prefer?
Sean Lee?
Or Daniel Te’o-Nesheim, Mike Kafka, Clay Harbor, Ricky Sapp, AND Riley Cooper?
Berries are nice, but Graham crackers taste pretty good too.
by alcatraz0109 on Apr 24, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Cooper + Sapp easily worth Sean Lee by themselves
And as a PSU fan, I have a lot of respect for Sean Lee coming back from that injury. I don’t think any team really screwed up in this draft. Two things I noticed:
1) The era of the gigantic players might be coming to an end. Faster, smaller players on defense may be the next trend.
2) I know a lot of them stayed on for another year, but can’t remember a draft with so few Ohio State players!!
by donniethelion on Apr 24, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Thadius Gibson was the only buckeye drafted before the 7th round
and 3 buckeyes were taken in the 7th, including our very own Kurt Coleman
They started with: 24, 37, 55, 70, 87, 105, 121, 200, 243, and 244
They picked: 13, 37, 86, 105, 121, 122, 125, 134, 159, 200, 220, 243, and 244.
Instead of 5 picks in the top 87, they had 7 in the top half, or 8 in the top 134, or 9 in the top 159.
More picks = more players they like, more players they like = greater chance of having successful players, regardless of how many picks they have in the top [insert arbitrary number].
More picks = better
And in this draft, quantity DOES equal quality, infact it greatly increases your chances of getting quality. Obviously the Eagles felt there wasn’t that huge of a difference between players in the late 2nd and players in the 4th and 5th.
by BreckBirds20 on Apr 24, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
There's no way you can know this
for players that will be lucky to make special teams.
That’s a flimsy opinion.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
Well there's something to be said for ...
… turning one pick into five, given that even first-rounders tend to flame out at a high rate. It’s never a bad idea, especially in a draft everyone agrees was flush with prospects well into the later rounds, to add as many as you can to increase the odds of finding gems.
Overall, we needed to bolster the D, and bringing in 9 guys on that side of the ball is a good thing. The name recognition leaves something to be desired, but in the end all that matters is whether or not they produce.
But, there is something to DaveinWestChester’s points … particularly with the Teo pick and the Oklahoma LB … if those guys were projected to go much later, then perception is reality when it comes to “value.” If you can draft another player you like and still end up with the same guy much later, especially when you have a bunch of later picks, then you mismanaged. I read where JasonB said it’s a crapshoot after the third (I tend to agree) and where Bye,Dawk said it’s not wise to get too cute … AND I love how the Eagles target who they want and go get him. Still though, the science of draft management is real. If you take a guy in the third who could’ve been had in the 5th (not that you could ever know that), it’s a legitimate gripe.
All that said, BGN is not a place prone to random bouts of positivity. The fact that the draft as a whole was so well-received (I actually cooled on it a lot because of Day 3, but to each his own) is a really good sign.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
“If you take a guy in the third who could’ve been had in the 5th (not that you could ever know that), it’s a legitimate gripe.”
That’s the important point. You can never know. I’d rather have the players I want then to have a bunch of ESPN pundits telling me I got great “value” the next day.
Fair enough
Once we get to Lehigh & beyond, it only matters if they produce, not where they were taken.
And obviously the Birds had a grade on him worthy of being picked there.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
Well
13 picks! This is pretty crazy, but if we can get 2-3 starters and 4-5 backups, it will be a great draft. I split my reactions in Nice, good,huh, don’t know them
Nice:
I love Brandon Graham, Im not sure if Im crazy about him as 13.pick overall. I really look forward to see him in TC and I think he has a great shot at starting LDE.
Nate Allen is an awesome pick up. I think he is a safety that will fit in our system and with some coaching from Jauron he should be able to earn the starting role from day 1.
Riley Cooper had a great value at the end of 5th, he is a tall WR with nice hands and will be a great target in the RZ. He wont be a speedy WR, but we got other guys to fill that role.
Charles Scott is a great pick up, nice value in the 6th. He is a big bruiser. He should be able to put down his shoulders and get the needed yards in short yardage and GL situations.
LB Jamar Chaney in 7th is steal! I really like this guy and I have a feeling that he will surprise many of us including coaches!
Good:
Ricky Sapp wasnt needed after TO and Brandon Graham, but his value in 5th was just too great to pass up. He is an athletic guy and Im sure we will find a way to use his skills.
Clay Harbor is an athletic freak! He got great skills and will be another RZ target, unfortunately he isnt a good blocker.
Huh?:
Danie Te’o-Neishem is a reach! I mean is he really so great, that we wouldnt get him later on in the draft? I hope they knew what they were doing. He sounds like an interesting player that will needed a couple of years to develope.
Keenan Clayton same question as Te’o. I feel he was a reach, there were better players out there that could help us.
QB Mike Kafka. We needed a 3rd QB, but Kafka? There were deffinetly more exciting guys out there then Kafka with one year starting experience and shaky skills.
Don’t know them:
CB Lindley
DT Owens
SS Coleman
cant say anything about them, because I have no idea who they are.
Overall:
I will give our draft a strong B. I would like to see more secondary players and a pick up of an developement OL guy. I hope that we will be able to get Ciron Black and/or Brandon Carter in RFA. We were aggresive when needed, we turned our 2nd round into 5 picks and I think its a great job from our FO. We will see in a two three years how deep this draft was and how we did it. I have a feeling though that we will be surprised by some guys that we have drafted today.
Our agenda was sack Romo!
Graham = A
Allen= B+
Daniel Te’o-Nesheim = F we could of got him much later
Trevard Lindley = C-
Keenan Clayton= D+
Mike Kafka = C+
Clay Harbor = A-
Ricky Sapp = B
Riley Cooper = C- Not sure where he fits
Charles Scott = B Our GL/short ydg back! yay!!!
Jamar Chaney = B+ Great value here
Jeff Owens = C+ Clearly drafted to stop the run
Kurt Coleman = C I dont know much about him.
Overall grade B-/C+(cant decide) Im not sure who will be our other starting CB opposite Asante but it was evident the Eagles are putting more emphasis on pass rushing and speed/coverage LB’s. I love that all of our picks were high motor high effort players. I think we drafted only two starters and thats why I gave such a low grade.
"Buy low sell high!"
Sapp
was that their intention for him? Or is he going to be a DE rotation?
"Buy low sell high!"
I read it somewhere
I’ll try to find it—
But his size and scouting reports really suggest a fit at SAM, and given that that’s a need, I could easily see him there. I just have a hard time believing that they took eighty-four DEs with the intention of putting them all in a rotation.
Really?
I watched him say the eagles brought him in for S. I mean if he can still run CB is still possible. I guess we will see.
"Buy low sell high!"
Not a single offensive lineman
Whats up with that?
Things I Liked About This Draft
1.) The mind-boggling way in which we moved back, accummulated a ridiculous amount of picks, and still seemed to get the guys our front office wanted.
2.) Overkill on drafting pass rushers. Whether a few of these guys convert to different positions or not, you have to figure our pass rush got a lot better after this years draft. We seemed determined to hit on a good pass rusher this year, and I think that will pan out.
3.) Drafting a bruising RB who can also block, as well as a TE who can block, as well as one of the top blocking WR from the collegiate level. Here’s to hoping our short-yardage problems are gone for a long time. Who knows, we may even run a little more this year.
4.) Drafting high-character players who are extremely motivated to play the game of football. Nothing to add here, I just love the philosophy.
5.) Andy Reid’s hilarious interview, complete with hawaiian shirt, Sal Pal jokes, and even rowdy Eagles fans in the crowd yelling “Run the ball!”
"THIS IS NOT COLLEGE NO MORE. THIS IS THE BIG MAN SPORT." ~Crazy Lady on BGN forums

"If I can get you to think twice, I'm in your head."
-Brian Dawkins
"Yeah, I like to hit people"
-Brandon Graham
looks like a hawaiian puked on 50’s wallpaper and turned it into a moomoo. man, he looks ridiculous.
I'll give Andy's draft wardrobe an F
As much as you’ll all hate to read this, I can’t give an intelligent opinion for a couple of seasons. Four picks in the 4th round is great, but if none of them are on the roster in 2013, it doesn’t do you a bit of good.
I don’t really follow college football enough to give an intelligent opinion. So, I’ll give an unintelligent one
I like getting a developmental QB in the 4th. I read some nice things about Kafka. I liked the potential of Jevan Snead, but evidently I was the only one since he went undrafted.
Clay Harbor is an interesting pick. Sounds like he could be a real sleeper and could even contribute at fullback if needed. Makes me wonder how confident the Eagles are that Cornelius Ingram can come back.
Drafting 3 defensive ends seems like a lot. Especially when they already have Trent Cole and Tapp on the roster.
Sometimes it's just fun to take the family for a spin around the lake in the old boat. Even if it's not your family or your boat, and they're screaming for you to stop.
by Baron Dainer Von Tresvant on Apr 24, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
How it relates to Ingram. I’m not sure that It says that they’re done with him. Fact is that Alex Smith is gone and they needed another TE regardless. They could easily carry 3 TEs instead of two.
He could absolutely be seen as a hedge against Ingram, but they could certainly have all 3. I’m sure they’ll do that in the short term at least.
I'll play devils advocate with you on Harbor
Could they have drafted Harbor more to help out in the backfield than as a 2nd or 3rd TE? Is it possible they see him as the future heir apparent at fullback a couple seasons down the line?
But I will also agree, it’s not like they’ve never had 3 tight ends. Granted, it was when they had Bartrum and he was more of a long snapper than TE, but he would see some time at TE in goal line situations.
Sometimes it's just fun to take the family for a spin around the lake in the old boat. Even if it's not your family or your boat, and they're screaming for you to stop.
by Baron Dainer Von Tresvant on Apr 25, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I liked how Reid handled the fan yelling “run the ball”.
We all occasionally yell it, but tbh, throwing is still far more entertaining.
Winning is entertaining, too. But we win our fair share with chucking the ol’ rock around.
by corn on the kolb on Apr 24, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
That dude posted on one of the BGN threads right after he yelled
or so he claimed.
I need a link to this video, I did not see it.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
I wouldn’t admit to being an asshat in public.
But I guess its why we get such a bad rap.
by corn on the kolb on Apr 24, 2010 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I loved our draft the only things I would of liked different is picking either Walter Thurmond III or Akwasi Owusu-Ansah over Trevard Lindley. I admit that I don’t know much about him and the more I read the more I am fine with the pick although some say that he is only going to be a nickle CB, and take Donovan Warren over Jeff Owens.
that confused me too
i think he is more well suited for the WCO
"If I can get you to think twice, I'm in your head."
-Brian Dawkins
"Yeah, I like to hit people"
-Brandon Graham
I am going to have to trust Reid
on picking QBs here.
Much better fit.
I see QB controversy tbh, next year. or is it this year?
When do the “years” offically switch over? Is Kolbs first season this year, or next year still?
hm…
by corn on the kolb on Apr 24, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I remember everyone questioning Reid’s choice of Kolb over Beck and Edwards including Ray Didinger
I'm not drunk I'm just drinking.
by no1pipelayer on Apr 24, 2010 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm still disappointed
that we didn’t take Skelton
About 10 minutes ago, I was pondering my own existence. Then I decided that it didn't matter.
I give it a B-
There were some really good picks and a few head scratchers. I thought.
I like Graham as a player, I didn’t like him in that spot and for that cost to move up. I LOVED the Nate Allen pick, it was a need and at value. I hate that we drafted two more DEs after that, even if one moves to SAM I just don’t like it. I didn’t care too much for the WR pick either, don’t really care how talented the guy is, our WR corps is deep. I liked that we got a lot of players on the defensive side of the ball, we needed a lot of help back there. However I felt going into this draft that O-line was among our largest needs and really the only one on the offensive side of the ball besides another QB. This is where the draft went from a b/b+ to a b- for me, they totally ignored it. Maybe they have something in the works but I’m not too optimistic of the line right now and they didnt even draft for depth.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
so how was our WR corps deep?
we needed a developmental guy, preferably with size to compliment our smallish speedsters.
My "t" and "y" buttons are messed up so don't bitch at me about misspelling, I'm just saying.
by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on Apr 24, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I just think that O-Line was a much greater need than WR.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
The Eagles actually have picks from recent years on the roster to compete on the O-line. McGlynn & Tuopu come to mind.
They really don’t have anyone at WR. Hank Baskett and a bunch of a UDFAs.
I’m sure that weighed into their decision. PLus, I would imagine they thought Cooper was the best player there. If they did think that, he was the right pick. I don’t care what position he plays, he was the right pick.
As always, Eagles filled a bunch of needs
C
If we could have replaced Keenan Clayton with AJ Edds that would have been a mjor improvement. Sapp coverting to SAM will not go well (again with the Gocong expt?). Edds would have been an average starter for 4 years and has lots of experience at LB. I am sure the Dolphins traded above us to get him (and they do not even run a 4-3).
Not at all pleased with the starting corners. Samuel can beat defeat by WR screen and the other side is a wasteland of hope. The really needed to get one of the top4 CBs.
Suprised we did not draft backup LT type. I am hoping McGlynn becomes starter C and Cole pushes Andrews at RG.
The names (other than Clayton) seem like good players with some upside but also obvious shortcomings.
Is it too soon to guess the Eagles 2010 Roster?
Why even bother with Training Camp?
QB: Kolb, Vick, Kafka
RB: McCoy, Bell, Scott
FB: Weaver
TE: Celek, Ingram, Harbor
WR: Jackson, Maclin, Avant, Cooper, Baskett
OT: Peters, Justice, Tupou, Dunlap
OG: Herremans, Andrews, Jean-Gilles
OC: Cole, McGlynn, (Jackson on PUP)
DE: Cole, Graham, Tapp, Parker, Abiamiri
DT: Patterson, Bunkley, Te’O-Neshiem, Dixon, Laws
SAM: Fokou, Sapp
MIKE: Bradley, Gaither
WILL: Sims, Jordan, Clayton
CB: Samuel, Hobbs, Hanson, Lindley
S: Mikell, Allen, Harris, Jackson, Demps
ST: Akers, Brooks, Dorenbos
Hopefully I did not forget anybody. I gave the incumbents the benefit over the 7th rounders so Laws, Gaither, and Demps all make the team. Dunlap makes it because we need LT backup and did not draft any OL. (13 picks and not a single OL. What happened to Andy!) 10 draft picks make the team (that has to be a record) though I expect some to be on IR.
Key Cuts: RB Buckley, TE Rucker, WR C.Hall, C Reynolds, MIKE Mays, SAM A.Hall, CB Patterson, CB Pope, P Rocca (we need a new holder)
Hopeful Practice Squad = 7th Rounders MIKE Chaney, DT Owens, SS Coleman, and possibly WR Norwood and C Shipley
Never hurts to take an early crack at it ...
… I think Alex Hall is gonna be here when it’s said and done. They went and got this guy.
Buckley/Rucker/Hall are all gonna have a chance to stick too. Good look on keeping Brooks :)
For a lot of our picks, I’m sure it remains to be seen whether or not they earn jobs. I don’t have an opinion on many of them, but I’m eager to get to Lehign and form one.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
I concour with Hall. He’s going to hang around and do some special things on special teams. Come in in situational places, and could see serious play time
by corn on the kolb on Apr 24, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I bet one or two rookies get put on IR
Berries are nice, but Graham crackers taste pretty good too.
by alcatraz0109 on Apr 24, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
exactly.
Berries are nice, but Graham crackers taste pretty good too.
by alcatraz0109 on Apr 24, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
That's how WE roll
Until they change the rule.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
Pope is better than Asante
come on bro! you know that
"Buy low sell high!"
I bet a lot of our draft picks
end up on practice squad or thereabouts. As mentioned above, some will get mysteriously IR’ed, but the rest will be exposed to the league.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
3 things:
I think Vick is worse than Kafka, and opening day chart will reflect that.
Interesting, projecting Te’O into DT. I think he stays rotational on the outside, but I admit I don’t know much about him.
and finally, in the 2ndary, Demps is gone, Jackson and Allen will REALLY compete at FS (contrary to belief), and Macho and Mikell will REALLY compete at SS as well. Yes, Macho is goign to come along that much.
2 of those 4 will start.
by corn on the kolb on Apr 24, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree on Vick/Kafka
I think people are way underselling Vick’s skills as a QB. He is what he is, but he’s not complete garbage.
Kafka sounds good, but as a 1-year starter, he’ll need some reps before he passes Vick.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
I concour, Vick is not complete garbage.
I’m just that happy with Kafka. And, I still think we should’ve taken a shot at Colt but shrug. Guess Andy Reid is REALLY sold on Kolb. I’m comfortable with this.
by corn on the kolb on Apr 24, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I think they could really put Macho back at corner.
I think Vick, with a real offseason, is worlds better than Kafka now. Kafka is a purely developmental guy right now.
Macho back at corner?
He looked awfully slow at safety, and not much better in coverage there either. Just thinking about him lining up to cover Miles Austin makes me nauseous.
I don’t think you’ll see him covering guys like Austin. I think you might see him in nickel/dime packages on slot receivers, which he did a little bit of last season if I recall correctly.
by BreckBirds20 on Apr 26, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I love that we took 13 players, 9 of them on defense ...
… but has anyone mentioned that some of these guys might have been for Bobby April?
I’m all for creating competition and depth on defense — we had to get younger and get flat-out better if we’re gonna not get used by Dallas on D — but I feel like some of these big/fast linebacker/safety types have to also be able to make an impact on kickoff, KOR, et. al.
You think April is eager to get his mitts on these dudes.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
definitely see some special teams demons in this group
My "t" and "y" buttons are messed up so don't bitch at me about misspelling, I'm just saying.
by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on Apr 24, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
esp. Clayton, Chaney, and Coleman
They could stick out.
Berries are nice, but Graham crackers taste pretty good too.
by alcatraz0109 on Apr 24, 2010 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Depth Chart
Okay, so here we go.
QB:
Kolb
Kafka
Vick
RB:
McCoy
Bell
Scott (goalline/short yard)
FB:
Weaver
Harbor (split)
WR:
Jackson
Maclin
Avant
Cooper
Basket (situational)
TE:
Celek
Ingram (Injury may slide him down)
Harbor
LT:
Peters
Dunlap (?)
LG:
Herremans
MJG
C:
Jackson (Injury will force him to sit for a few weeks)
McGlynn
RG:
Cole
Andrews
RT:
Justice
Andrews
DE: (I’m not sure about the rotational assignments or the preferred side for about half of these, but I think they will all make it to the final roster)
Cole (RE)
Graham (LE)
Tapp
Te’o
Abiamiri
Parker
DT:
Patterson
Mr. Bunklesworth
Laws (L)
Dixon®
WILL:
Sims
Jordan
Clayton (may surpass Jordan in camp)
MIKE:
Bradley
Mays
SAM:
Fokou
Sapp (may surpass in camp)
CB:
Samuel
Hobbs
Jackson (split)
Hanson
Lindley (may surpass Hanson & Hobbs)
SS:
Mikell
Jackson (split)
FS:
Allen
Harris
Waterboy:
Rocca
by corn on the kolb on Apr 24, 2010 6:04 PM EDT reply actions
water sux gatorade is better
"Buy low sell high!"
3.5 safeties
is not enough.
I still have Demps, Abiamiri, Laws & McGlynn on my WJWL. I wouldn’t look past the first three, though they’ll all be fighting for jobs. I’d usually give an incumbent an advantage at a roster spot over a rookie taken in a similar round.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
I think you’ll only see Jackson shift down to CB when Allen wins the job fully, and, admittingly, may only see the field on dime situations.
I still believe the CB’s we have are fine. Hobbs will be fine with a good safety over him, and Hanson is obviously a favorite to win nickel. Jackson may even fall below Lindley.
But, I guess Allen starting at CB, Demps backing Jackson up at FS, and a three-way-trade with ManU to get Beckham are all still in the realm of possibilities.
.. does he even still play for ManU? lol
by corn on the kolb on Apr 24, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Not enough backups on the O-Line, as glaringly shown on your list here. Poor draft. Mismanaged.
by DaveinWestChester on Apr 24, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Backup OL
I think they need a capable backup LT. Because LT is such a critical position, finding a good backup LT is very difficult. Why use a high draft pick on LT who will not play. Still would have liked a developmental prospect to takes Dunlap’s roster spot.
I think McGlynn can be at least an average starting C. He has experience at all the line positions between college and pros. He is backup for C/LG. Jean-Gilles is backup for RG. Topou is backup RT. Dunlap is backup LT.
It's the exact same line as last season
when injuries ravaged the line and we went 11-5. I don’t have a lot of love for Dunlap, and I guess I’m hoping McGlynn or one of the other Cs in camp fills in for Jackson well, but depth is not particularly something I’d lament.
Peters/Justice/Herremans/Andrews/Cole/MJG/McGlynn might not end up being bad, and maybe Jackson returns late in the year.
It could be much worse.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
Not exactly
It would be surprising to see Jackson before Week 6 and my bet is that he likely ends up missing the season.
I guess Cole/McGlynn fight for the job in camp but I wonder how much Andrews will give at RG and this team has almost zero depth because MJG is below average and there really isn’t an answer if Peters/Justice gets hurt.
I hold out hope that JJackson will be back, but he will not return to form. I think he’ll be off the roster next year, tbh.
by corn on the kolb on Apr 24, 2010 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with all the weaknesses you mentioned MG
and I thought I acknowledged Jackson’s issue, but I guess I shouldn’t have said “exact same” then.
Long story short, it’s not a perfect line, but it’ll do.
The line might end up looking a lot better because I think Kolb is going to let it fly quickly, for better or worse.
I didn’t realize McNabb took 35 sacks in 13.5 games last year. Roethlisberger and Rodgers took a league-worst 50 in 16 games, and Campbell took 43 in 15.5 … which is pretty close to the same sack rate as McNabb.
You can blame the line for any sack, but a lot of people around here thought McNabb held the ball too long/didn’t trust his receivers enough.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
Basically, its the biggest benefit to kolb, really. Set, hut, 2 steps, option 1, option 2, dumpoff/throwaway.
Less sacks, less time our fatties are working, more energy for a run game.
I see all sorts of benefits. And our new WR? I think you’ll see him become the new preferred wr on 3rd down.
Our OL is fine, outside of depth at LT.
by corn on the kolb on Apr 24, 2010 11:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
B+ for now, bt that could turn not an A+ if one or two mid-late rounders turn not a stud. But like having all these boddies, depth killed us last year.
"Sugah n' rainbows"
"We will steal the show, jolly Rogers go, we are wolves of the sea."
B+ too
I think qe got 2-3 guys who will compete right away. But for the rest i can say much! Hopefully Somerset of rhem turn out to Be good Players! I like the sapp Pick!
by daveG10 on Apr 24, 2010 6:53 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Mixed bag
C+
- The defense has alot more bodies and has some desperately needed depth in the front 7 which they were lacking for most of the year. If i were Abiamiri, I would show up to every minicamp and make damn sure I have a strong training camp because he is likely 50/50 at best to make this roster next year.
- A potential answer at FS instead of having to rely on mixed holdover options (Demps, Harris) or long shots (moving Jackson to FS).
- No immediate starter at CB and kind of mixed on what Lindley brings long-term.
- Offensive line that needed both help at 2 starting positions and desperately needed better depth. Got none of it although I strongly suspect that Reid will sign 1-2 undrafted FAs C/G to bring into camp to compete for backup positions.
- Eagles did a good job of maximizing the number of picks they had in mid-rounds to maximize & upgrade the depth of this team that was generally lacking last year.
- Couple of real reaches in this draft including Te’o-Neisheim and Clayton.
- Special teams coverage next year should be improved with the upgrade of younger players
- No obvious help at KR position
- Scott was a throwaway pick unless they see him taking over Bell’s role the following year.
- Some interesting picks at LB and going to make for a real interesting training camp although I still don’t see a clear answer at SAM.
- Defense did need more bodies. but I thought we lacked depth at LB more than DE. I think the DE movement was definately McD showing up. Remember, this is the first draft he’s been in full control of the DefCoord role.
- I’m glad to see someone still thinks that Allen is NOT a shoe-in at FS. But, I think MJackson is a natural fit and will excel there. As I stated elsewhere, both safety positions will be a battle this year.
- I’m not as down on hobbs/hanson as most people are. tbh Hanson will suffice, and hobbs may even be solid. (maybe)
- I agree. I wanted to see another tackle get drafted instead of Te’o. There were several on the board, all big boys, and all solid fits to slide inside or out.
- I’m very happy with the trade-downs, overall. I think its the smart way to run the draft.
- The reaches don’t bother me. I’d rather get slightly lower value, and get a guy who appears to fit in our system much better.
- I am stoked for special teams, and…
- I’m not too concerned about help during KR’s, since over-all our role-players will be improved, making any option we put out there even better
- I think Bell is leaving next year if scott pans out. Scott is simply an insurance policy who serves as a better 3rd down option than even Bell, imo
- I completely agree about SAM. Those who are high on Fokou I guess justify the choices. Alex Hall doesn’t fit in well.. I think he’s just a camp body. But, with Stew and Sims, I guess that leaves like 61,678 people competing for SAM.
by corn on the kolb on Apr 24, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
hobbs is serviceable
trust me I’ve watched enough of him in New England and philly to know he won’t be solid, he will be serviceable
My "t" and "y" buttons are messed up so don't bitch at me about misspelling, I'm just saying.
by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on Apr 24, 2010 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought we had two of these already
Got none of it although I strongly suspect that Reid will sign 1-2 undrafted FAs C/G to bring into camp to compete for backup positions.
http://www.nfl.com/players/dallasreynolds/profile?id=REY137571
http://www.nfl.com/players/a.q.shipley/profile?id=SHI382248
Although it can’t hurt to bring in more, and I’m sure the FA list will be OL heavy … just thought I’d mention.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
we do, both with 1 year experience
The Kolb Era has begun....
Kolb - a heavy medieval war club with a spiked or flanged metal head, used to crush armor - Wikipedia of course
I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
RIP JJ
by sports00fan00 on Apr 24, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Reid
- Is utterly useless when asked about the draft today by the guys on NFL network. Didn’t give a single answer of substance and gave even less detail than other coaches I saw interviewed including Tomlin. I understand it is his style but it is frustrating that he doesn’t even remotely attempt to answer a thoughtful and interesting question.
He wore loud shirts so they’d have something interesting to talk about when he diverted the topic.
by corn on the kolb on Apr 24, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Does anyone know...
if Walter Thurmond and Danario Alexander were drafted?
I don't know what it is about your face,
[holds up fist]
but I just wanna deliver one of these right in your suck hole.
Nevermind...
Found out on NFL.com. Damn Sehawks. Go get Alexander Eagles!!
I don't know what it is about your face,
[holds up fist]
but I just wanna deliver one of these right in your suck hole.
Mesko was taken in the 5th rd.
I think.
I don't know what it is about your face,
[holds up fist]
but I just wanna deliver one of these right in your suck hole.
I meant in general
Not instead of Coleman I guess I should have specified
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
O
I don't know what it is about your face,
[holds up fist]
but I just wanna deliver one of these right in your suck hole.
Dag, yo
Trading up to take a Wolverine with our top pick and giving another a 5-year extension this offseason wasn’t enough?
My boy is a big FSU guy, so he got all pysched when we added Sims to Bunkley and had no Gators. But I still blamed him for Booker, and now we got Riley Cooper, so … I understand how you think.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
I give it a B
I was a little worried with all of the trades back, but at the end of the day, I like what we did. I just remember how our offensive line got absolutely manhandled in those last two games against Dallas last year, and I can’t give the FO an A without an upgrade at OL.
I can’t wait to see offenses trying to deal with Graham and Trent Cole, though. I agree with Adam Schefter. Graham will be Defensive ROY.
I say you all did a good job
I love the Graham, DTN and Sapp picks. I think the last 2 are steals. Not really sure why ya traded up for Graham, I don’t think any of the teams that took a DE in front of you, were taking him.
The Giants were enamored with JPP..they weren’t getting him. Who knows what the hell the Tits were doing, but maybe they had Graham pegged, who knows.
Either way, trading up with that many picks you got, is a good idea.
I grade the Eagles like I do the Giants.
B+ I just think every single team deserves a C…no one’s not a bust yet. But both teams get the benefit of the doubt for drafting so well over the past few years.
i give it a C.
i don’t understand drafting DE 3 times. i liked graham and allen a lot. it made sense. if we were to move to a 3-4, this would make more sense. but the lack of a true SAM linebacker has me truly puzzled. also, we still have no O-line depth. i would of rather had charles brown with our pick in the late 3rd. come to think of it….there were a lot of other players i would of rather had with that pick.
"it's like i tell my ex-wife, i never drive faster than i can see, and besides it's all in the reflexes." -Jack Burton, Big trouble in little China
I'll chime in and run away
I think the idea is that Ricky Sapp is a SAM.
Between him and AJ Edds, I think Sapp is a better pass rusher (Edds better against the run) and since they’re the Eagles…its all about the pass rusher.
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 24, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
i just wish we would learn our lesson from the gocong experiment.
"it's like i tell my ex-wife, i never drive faster than i can see, and besides it's all in the reflexes." -Jack Burton, Big trouble in little China
either way Sapp was a steal there though
I saw a few mocks with him in the low first round.
My "t" and "y" buttons are messed up so don't bitch at me about misspelling, I'm just saying.
by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on Apr 24, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I have to challenge you on this one
How many college DE’s successfully transition to a 4-3 SAM position?
About 10 minutes ago, I was pondering my own existence. Then I decided that it didn't matter.
After reading all the comments above, I feel much better about this draft. I would have said a D-C before reading the above. Now I would say B.
If you've never seen Graham play
he will drop your jaw. Ferrocious DE.
My "t" and "y" buttons are messed up so don't bitch at me about misspelling, I'm just saying.
by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on Apr 24, 2010 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Bish range
Lots of picks, not a lot of exciting picks. Nailed the first 3 (even though I was in the “The commish just misread Earl Thomas as Daniel Graham” crowd, after some time I’m intrigued)… Now it seems we got a lot of depth at DE/LB & CB/S that should create some camp competition.. then they grabbed some offensive skills players to groom on the scout team. I didn’t like that we didn’t get anyone for the OL, I felt some depth was needed.
Also, it could’ve been more exciting with a pick for player trade, but who knows maybe nothing good was there.
Not a lot of exciting picks
Precisely why everyone is so down on the draft.
Our defense sucked ASS last year and we got a LOT of players in a DEEP draft.. Awesome
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
Agreed we filled needs on D through draft and trades for the 2 LBS.
I think the birds saw this as a weak o-line draft/players in last 3 rounds on the line were as good/bad as players they could sign as rookie FAs.
Does anyone see them brining in Alan Faneca, as an insurance policy? Not sure about him at his age, just throwing it out there!
Reid and Co.
They’ve know what they’ve been doing for 10+ years. While there hasn’t been a Super Bowl win they have always been competitive. The only reason most are freaking out is because we’ve lost great players like McNabb, Westbrook and Dawkins.
It’s better to let a player go a year early then a year late. They have a great record of knowing when to let players go. They’re drafts have been criticized before. Yet they’ve always been competitive. Only the Colts, Pats and Ravens have been as consistent over the past decade.
They’ve always rebuilt on the fly and have been pretty damn successful in doing so. Does anyone really think that they all of a sudden have no idea what they’re doing?
i agree
with you except on the point of mcidiot being a great player… ok, he was great when he ran well and threw passably… when he could no longer run worth a damn, the weakness (inconsistencies) in his passing game reduced him to being mediocre at best… and since he had little or no leadership skill… not to mention the fact that he consistently played small in big games, he was after all was said and done a very poor excuse for a QB!!!!!
As for the draft… I believe this might prove to be one of the best eagle drafts ever!!! the team is undergoing a complete change in style… i look for a real power running game… accurate passing (kolb and kafka)… ball control… no more endless quick three and outs… and when teams try playing up in the box againt them jackson and maclin will be wide open…td’s instead of field goals in the red zone (think of weaver, scott, mccoy running or cooper, ingram, celek, avant, and the new te running fades and slants with a qb that can hit them in the hands and not their feet)…
on defense the game will be speed and constant pressure (think of graham, cole, sims, TO 2, sapp, bradley, foku, jordan, chaney, etc)… which will force turnovers and poorly thrown passes and interception opportunities (samuel, lindley, allen, harris, mikell, etc. will have a feast)… goodbye basket (sorry kendra), hanson, laws, abiamiri, patterson, polk, gaither, demps (possibly keep to run back kick offs)… its a new day in eagles land
by Elmo the faithful fan on Apr 26, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Curious...anyone know how many picks the Eagles have in 2011?
Can't think of something catchy to say here...I suck.
8
We have the McNabb conditional and a 5th from… whoever but we dealt a 6th away to get Chaney.
Berries are nice, but Graham crackers taste pretty good too.
by alcatraz0109 on Apr 24, 2010 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
5th was from the Chargers, 6th went to the Lions
by BreckBirds20 on Apr 24, 2010 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Reid=goddamn idiot.
I was ready to give this draft a B+/A- after Day 1…except for the constant trading down of pick 55…59…71. Then he fucks it up with his idiotic day 2.
The grade’s a C.
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
What's so idiotic about it?
Berries are nice, but Graham crackers taste pretty good too.
by alcatraz0109 on Apr 24, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
the draft
no none knows what the draft brings, but if we drafted as well as I think, we got a kick ass team. We’ll talk about it next year
D.C. YATES
My analysis
I loved Graham as a prospect all throughout the offseason leading up to the draft, and wanted the Eagles to get him, BUT after they released Sheldon Brown and traded for Daryl Tapp, I felt that the need for a cornerback/safety was greater than the need for a defensive end in the first round.
If you truly believe in a pass rusher, you should trade up for him, BUT I have to wonder if it would have been smarter to simply pick Earl Thomas or Kyle Wilson in the first round, and then still get other pass rushers like Jason Worilds or Daniel Te’o-Nesheim in the 2nd/3rd/4th rounds.
I hope Graham pans out, but he will forever be compared to the other players we could have had like Earl Thomas and Kyle Wilson, and even other DEs that we passed on in favor of him at pick #13 like Derrick Morgan and Jason Pierre-Paul.
I don't forever compare
LeSean McCoy to Donald Brown or Knowshon Moreno. Or look at ‘08, there’s nobody between 19 (our original pick) and 49 that I’d rather have over DeSean Jackson, except for Chris Johnson at 22.
Okay, I am still mad about Brandon Meriwether (and Paul Pierce). And FredEx/Reggie Wayne is a good example to support your argument.
But no guarantee the guy you’d rather have had becomes any better than the one you got.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
jamar chaney
3rd best ILB in the draft behind Spikes and McCalin
trevard was considered best corner coming into this season in the SEC
RILEY COOPER tebows best man
Rickey Sapp man the sky is the limit he is like a lavarre arrington type i know on MAdden next year il be blitz happy lol
A solid B, maybe a B+
But I can’t give any new reasons that haven’t already been give, we got pretty good value on some of our picks, and managed to stockpile quite a few late rounders.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
com'on... give'm an a+
in case no one noticed the eagles will be an entirely different style team moving forward… power running… accurate passing… controll the clock… grind down the other teams on offense… no more bombs away and hope for the best… no more dirtballs and endless series of quick three and outs… on defense the game will be speed and more speed… keep constant pressure on the passer which leads to poorly thrown passes and opportunities for turnovers… who cares if the safety is a tackling machine??? the game is turnovers and then grind and maul the other team’s d… for 35 minutes or more a game… this is gonna be fun!!!!
by Elmo the faithful fan on Apr 26, 2010 4:02 PM EDT reply actions
I definitely think they remade themselves in a new image
and prepared for having to change their style offensively, if need be. Clearly that was the mission defensively, to get McDermott guys and to get younger/faster/deeper.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
For once...
I agree with you!
Berries are nice, but Graham crackers taste pretty good too.
by alcatraz0109 on Apr 26, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Kafka is clutch
Sapp Clay and Riley are nice late picks too
He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is

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