With the 86th pick in NFL draft the Philadelphia Eagles select DE Daniel Te'o-Nesheim
by JasonB on Apr 23, 2010 9:39 PM EDT
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After 3 straight trades, the Eagles finally made their second selection of the draft's second day with their pick of DE Daniel Te'o-Nesheim from Washington.
The 6'3 265lb Te'o-Nesheim was a guy the Eagles were reported to have interest in and the first of their picks that had been invited to Philly for a pre draft visit.
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ohhh
BUT WHY? Was he really so valuable that we needed to get him in 3rd?
they couldn’t find much good to say about him on nfl.com draft profile.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2010/profiles/daniel-te’o-nesheim?id=496863
Wait wait wait. Not only did we not get a fucking corner but we passed on Griffin, Sapp and Wootton. Of all the teams i am a fan of the eagles are the only one to disappoint on a routine basis. What about Cox/Franks/Ghee?
I just dont see whats so enticing about this kid.
by 410eaglesfan on Apr 23, 2010 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
what the hell
how can they like te’o more than griffen? it just makes no sense.
by Desean Da Man on Apr 23, 2010 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I mean what about a Center, or AJ Edds or a guard. But another de?
by 410eaglesfan on Apr 23, 2010 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
clearly
if they think they should draft 2 of the three first picks on de then they must think graham is a situational rusher
why spend 2 picks on a de
if you already have 2 capable players of playing 3 downs, i just don’t understand
by Desean Da Man on Apr 23, 2010 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
and by 2 capable players
i mean graham and cole
by Desean Da Man on Apr 23, 2010 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
i'd like to know why grifeen is being passed on so many times...
he was projected at 20 – 30 by many people.
but you CAN have enough in the front 7
when you desperately need a corner or a safety. Hell, i would have rather them drafted ANY position other than another DE. I would rather have had Colt McCoy. Or a running back. Or especially another O-Line. But we went DE again. ok. fine. whatever. But wait… we chose a subpar DE.
I really didn’t like trading up for graham at 11, loved nate at 37, and HATE this pick for a third rounder. Get the best guys to fill your holes (no homo) then go for the depth/chance players in the rounds they should go in such as late fourth/fifth.
This guy would DEFINITELY have been around next round no question about it.
I just don’t understand this one.
Eagles.
by #1EaglesFan on Apr 24, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Because you want to get rid of Parker
and possibly Abiamiri?
use a 3rd
just to get rid of parker and abiamiri?
by Desean Da Man on Apr 23, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
but we ALREADY
got rid of sheldon. we need to address corner… and don’t say “nate allen can play corner” because then we will need to address safety. Plus, i don’t like when they draft players with the intentions of playing a different position. that shit pisses me off to no end.
Eagles.
by #1EaglesFan on Apr 24, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
With the 86th pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Philadelphia Eagles select…someone I’ve never heard of, who plays a position we don’t exactly need, from a school that doesn’t have a very good football program.
"Backs in the 'I'...First and 10...McNabb, play action. Is back again. He is looking..he is going deep. He wants DeSean Jackson..who HAS IT!!! HE HAS IT!!! AND STEPPED INTO THE ENDZONE!! He took it away from the defender!! He took it away from Dominique Rogers-Cromarte, and ran into the endzone!!"
by McNabb2Maclin4Philly on Apr 23, 2010 9:44 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Can someone explain to me what in the world the Eagles are doing this year with the draft? I am not as up as most of you but I am completely confused.
Since we've cited it a few times since the draft began...
http://footballoutsiders.com/nfl-draft/2010/introducing-sackseer
check the sleepers.
I’ve heard he’s comparable to Trent Cole.
Berries are nice, but Graham crackers taste pretty good too.
i also heard
we traded 2 3’s to move up for another de.
by Desean Da Man on Apr 23, 2010 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
SackSEER Sleepers
When it comes to sleepers, SackSEER rates two prospects above the rest: South Carolina linebacker Eric Norwood and Washington defensive end Daniel Te’O’Nesheim. Eric Norwood’s Combine numbers are similar to those of Clay Matthews a year ago, and he had better college sack production. Te’O’Nesheim has been billed as a productive, high-energy player who lacks the athleticism to compete at a high level, but his 37-inch vertical leap and a 4.18-second short shuttle at the Combine are enough to convince SackSEER.
I like this pick
Daniel had some of the best measurables of any DE at the combine. Faster shuttle than Derrick Morgan or JPP… higher vert and longer broad than most other DE’s.
Nice to at least get a sleeper since all the top players were off the bo . . . wait, who’s that chilling at number three on the list? Everson Griffen, eh? There’s a player with that name who has yet to be drafted. Nah, let’s go with the sleeper instead.
And someone who is a sleeper in the 6th round is a reach in the 3rd round.
agreed
3rd rounders aren’t meant to be the “sleepers.” Sleepers are guys that are good to get in the late rounds that have a chance to make an impact. 3rd round guys are ones you expect to make an impact.
Eagles.
by #1EaglesFan on Apr 24, 2010 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
From a UW fan (not me)
I went to UW and have seen a whole lot of Daniel Te’O’Nesheim. He unfortunately has played at UW while the team was really really bad. He is even better than his sack stats suggest because he was doubleteamed basically every single play of his career and certainly every play for the past 2 or 3 years. In his time with us, he was the only pass rush threat on the team and certainly the only player on the D-line with any chance of making a play in either run or pass situations. And because the team lost so much, the other team was rarely in “must pass” situations and he couldn’t pin his ears back and sell out to the pass rush. He is a pretty complete guy, capable of making plays in both the run and the pass game. I think he might be a little small for a 4-3 end, and I don’t think he can cover well enough to be a 3-4 endbacker, but some team will get an excellent tweener in the 3rd or 4th round.
by FlyinHawiianPizza on Apr 23, 2010 9:48 PM EDT reply actions
sounds like someone else we drafted...
romo and elisha better watch the fuck out.
Berries are nice, but Graham crackers taste pretty good too.
by alcatraz0109 on Apr 23, 2010 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Gentlemen...
Meet your new SAM linebacker.
Chris Gocong pt. 2
About 10 minutes ago, I was pondering my own existence. Then I decided that it didn't matter.
Totally called it
Totally called it…
About 10 minutes ago, I was pondering my own existence. Then I decided that it didn't matter.
I'm skeptical...
but I could maybe see this guy at SAM. Andy says he’s a motor guy, so I buy the Gocong comparison for better or worse.
We have every pick in the fourth round
How much you wanna bet at 3 of the 4 are DBs and/or O-linemen?
by FlyinHawiianPizza on Apr 23, 2010 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm guessing
4 more mediocre college DE’s
Eagles.
by #1EaglesFan on Apr 24, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
From NFL.com
Te’o-Nesheim has been a productive four-year starter for the Huskies defense. Te’o-Nesheim is an undersized defensive end that wins with toughness, effort, instincts and technique. He lacks great quickness, burst and agility as a pass rusher but does a nice job using his hands to counter effectively. Te’o-Nesheim will have a tough time anchoring effectively versus the run and doesn’t possess the speed, quickness and agility to project to an outside backer in a 3-4 defensive scheme. His high motor, leadership skills, toughness and instincts gives him a chance but he clearly overachieved in college and is not likely to transition well at the next level.
by andyreidswaistline on Apr 23, 2010 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
it seems to me
they went strictly off his combine effort. Are there a bunch of rookies in the war room? Combine measures athleticism and that’s IT. It doesn’t measure talent, instinct, or vision.
This guy might have had great numbers, but show me anything else that make me think this guy will not be a complete bust.
Eagles.
by #1EaglesFan on Apr 24, 2010 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
The only reason we are drafting these guys is because
of Shawn Andrews. The FO must be fed up with stat whores (as reported by Mikell), and uninterested football players such as Shawn Andrews.
Te’ooo, Te’o, Te’o, Te’ooooooooooo! Vomit.
by andyreidswaistline on Apr 23, 2010 9:56 PM EDT reply actions
From Smitty2K3 (saving you some time bud)
I love that pick in the 4th. This kid has sleeper DE written all over him. He’s got the best measurables of any DE in the draft.
He’s 6-4 263… similar size to Derrick Morgan.
4.73 40-time… just behind guys like JPP, Griffen, and Dunlap.
37" Vertical… highest vert for a DE to my knowledge was 38".
10’ 1" Broad Jump… at least a half a foot longer than JPP, Morgan, and Dunlap.
4.18 Shuttle… This might be the most important of the bunch. His short shuttle is off the charts. Almost 3 tenths faster than Derrick Morgan and almost 5 tenths faster than JPP and Dunlap.
I know the measurables don’t mean much when trying to project players to the NFL, but when you’re looking at guys in the mid rounds, to me it carries a little more weight. I’ll be honest, I don’t know what this guy looks like on tape. But if you go by his measurables, he’s bound to become a decent player in the NFL and is definitely worth the gamble of a mid-round pick.
Next Trent Cole, anyone?
While he might have gone round too early, this guy is still a tremendous talent.
Berries are nice, but Graham crackers taste pretty good too.
I actually
just started trying to re-type a lot of that to help make everybody feel alittle better about this pick, but you definitely saved me some time. haha.
No problem man
Berries are nice, but Graham crackers taste pretty good too.
by alcatraz0109 on Apr 23, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Can't wait for the Eagles to explain this pick
“We feel he is very talented player and can help us improve in the defensive line.”
He has a chance to be an excellent player. Probably one of the better athletes of the draft. Look at his shuttle time. You need to rush the passer in the NFL. I like this pick. I don’t think you can get better raw pass-rushing potential than this guy.
I don’t think we draft past this point for need, we draft for potential. Thats how you find guys like we do in these late rounds. You know guys like trent and brent.
maybe if we change his name to Dent Te'o-Nesheim
or Daniel Te’o-Neshent
I agree
I like this pick a lot.
I understand saying “huh?” when they drafted another DE when we still need a CB, OL, RB, LB and others… but this was pure a potential pick. I think he’ll be a role player this year and has the potential to be even better down the road.
why do you think that?
I LOVE your optimism, and I don’t mind that we drafted him, but do you really think that it was smart to use a “potential pick” when there were “impact” picks still on the board?
Eagles.
by #1EaglesFan on Apr 24, 2010 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
or 2 fifth rounders for
ellis hobbs part II
Or wait, secondary does not matter, because we will be so good on the defensive line that opposing QB’s will never be able to actually throw.
by captain nodar on Apr 23, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Or how about an old-style Oklahoma 5-2, where your DE’s play in 2 point stances. They sometimes pass rush and sometimes drop into the flat. So can send with front five-3,4, or 5- very easily!
by fantasybc88 on Apr 23, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe that kid from IUP did he get drafted yet?
by Eaglesfan10 on Apr 23, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Huh...
Scouts said lacks lateral agility, but he seemed to move laterally pretty well in those highlights…and his shuffle time…dunno if the scouting is accurate on this one…Not really a need of ours, I’d rather have had an O-line beefy in this round, but I don’t doubt he’s got talent…more of a 4th rounder tho…but not an altogether bad pick, IMHO…and four year starter says durability…
---AstrosFan (Austin Lawyer and Sports Fan)
took him forever though
i would be very depressed if i had to wait till 3rd day
by Desean Da Man on Apr 23, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah me too
I was hoping we could get him in the 4th… but it’s probably good he didn’t have to come back for tomorrow.
Out of curiousity
Why would the NFL invite a player that could potentially (and did) go in the 3rd round? Kind of messed up, don’t you think?
I think it’s privilege that should only be reserved for players that are projected to go early. It’s embarrassing to the player and their family having to sit for that long
Well, how could they know? They did invite a lot of players this year. There were 3 in the green room at the start of the day.
Well, it was pretty certain that Ghee wasn’t going in the first.
So what I am saying is why not just stick to players you are CERTAIN will go in the first so that they won’t have to be there that long.
Well this isn’t exactly what I had in mind. was this just a pick we had from moving back or did we move up with a pick package?
by Qu1nTeR on Apr 23, 2010 10:09 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Either way I suspect our defense will be better next year and years to come
by Qu1nTeR on Apr 23, 2010 10:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Boom or Bust, basically JPP but slower, but also a third round pick. I like that
"Sugah n' rainbows"
"We will steal the show, jolly Rogers go, we are wolves of the sea."
I'm a Dallas fan ... was hoping Te'O'Nesheim would end up in Dallas... disappointed that he ended up in Philly
from a commentor on the Football Outsiders thread. KEI is Keirwan Explosion Index if you don’t recognize the acronym (Bench + Vertical Jump + Broad Jump).
Te’O’Nesheim is one of my favorite prospects in this draft. I have no idea why anyone would take Pierre Paul over him, yet Pierre Paul is typically lumpped in as a first rounder by all the draft sites and Te’O’Nesheim generally started as a 5th or 6th rounder on most of their boards but has been moving up. Somehow Pierre Paul with his 59 KEI and 13 backflips is labeled the elite athlete while Te’O’Nesheim who broke the 70 KEI threshold got labeled as the try hard but limited athlete type. No one has been able to explain that to me.
That made sense to me. Personally I’m puzzled how Te’O is considered an lesser athlete when his measurables are better.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Apr 23, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Gamble pick
Pretty obvious the Eagles really too a reach pick here because of all of the picks they have now in the 4th round.
This guy has bust written all over him especially in a team that plays a 4-3.
And punch him in the face for me.
I don't know what it is about your face,
[holds up fist]
but I just wanna deliver one of these right in your suck hole.
WTF.
We could have gotten him in the 4th round. What about Everson Griffin and Bruce Campbell?
I don't know what it is about your face,
[holds up fist]
but I just wanna deliver one of these right in your suck hole.
Bruce Campbell
Couldn’t be all that or he would have been drafted by now. Maybe he should stick to “Evil Dead” movies.
by donniethelion on Apr 23, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I had to rec your comment. Most deserved rec of all time.
"College is only 4 years. The Eagles are a lifetime pursuit." - IronHank
by RyanGiggs11 on Apr 23, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Another rec. Gotta love lines from that series.
"College is only 4 years. The Eagles are a lifetime pursuit." - IronHank
by RyanGiggs11 on Apr 23, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Someone's rec happy.
I don't know what it is about your face,
[holds up fist]
but I just wanna deliver one of these right in your suck hole.
That's the kicker
I’ll be the first to admit I don’t have the chops to really judge talent. But it’s easy to get a sense of where people are projected to go. Does our FO never think about where other teams have a player on their boards? Do they never say, hey, nobody has him in the 3rd, we can wait and use one of our twenty seven 4th rounders and use this to get somebody the other teams value higher here?
Does anybody ever think
that where Pete Prisco and Mel Kiper have a player projected doesn’t mean other teams have him projected there too. Maybe other teams saw what the Eagles saw and had him projected as a late 3rd round pick. We just don’t know.
Some “experts” had Everson Griffen projected as a late 1st round pick and he fell all the way to the 4th round for a reason, dont ya think?
This isn’t an exact science.
Agreed...
If you really want this guy only one team is enough to ruin your plan, and take him before you can get him. They wanted him (for whatever reason) and they thought there are at least 1 more team, who thinks the same.
by samson9 on Apr 24, 2010 5:37 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly - only takes 1
The only way you know if anybody else had him in the 3rd is if you don’t take him and then regret it when you have to drop way down your list in the 4th. Like others here, I would have loved to see some support for the O-line, since Jamaal may not be back to full strength until the 2011 season. I think our FO may have been hoping to trade up again for Pouncey near the end of the 1st, and was surprised when the Steelers snapped him up at 18th (they hadn’t drafted a C in the first round since 1937). Without any other target left on the board capable of displacing Nick Cole, I guess they decided to gamble that Stacey really is healthy and back to prior form.
I still am not a fan of the pick – for every Trent there are 4 or 5 busts at undersized DE, and unlike Graham, it doesn’t sound like Te’o-Nesheim can find a slot at OLB if he proves unable to make speed and technique count for enough to play DE. I also agree with the earlier post that our FO seems to have gone heavily overweight in the “motivation” criteria in some sort of post-Andrews backlash…
by PrincetonGreen on Apr 26, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
why dont you just stay in NYC, gotta be cheaper then the train rides
"Sugah n' rainbows"
"We will steal the show, jolly Rogers go, we are wolves of the sea."
Decent hotel room in Manhattan is pretty damn expensive. It is much cheaper to take the train back and forth from 30th & Market.
Are there no BGN members in NY or north Jersey that could offer J a room for the night?
by captain nodar on Apr 23, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Where's Bye, Dawk?
Doesn’t he live in North Jersey?
Sorry BD… I just offered up your guest room to Jason. He’ll be there in a half hour.
His hubby's not gonna be happy.
I don't know what it is about your face,
[holds up fist]
but I just wanna deliver one of these right in your suck hole.
Less than impressed today
For a team that touted all of the high draft picks, they certainly didn’t do a whole lot in terms of actually acquiring players that will helps them.
I was thrilled wih the Allen pick (yeah they need another S but he strikes me as just an adequate starter) and they really only have one potential impact player from the first 2 days of a talented draft.
Yeah this team certainly has depth issues that got badly exposed last year but I wonder just how many guys they are going to come away with that are going to make an impact next year right away. My guess is not many next year & that doesn’t bode well for a team that came into the draft with several decencies and some real question marks.
But every team has question marks
Draft picks are all gambles…if you are going with a youth movement, the young guys better be smart + high character + high energy. That is probably the thinking.
Mosher corrects the SAM LB distinction:
geoffmosher
Correction after talking with Andy Reid: Te’o Nesheim will play DE/DT. Pass rusher in nickel schemes.
"College is only 4 years. The Eagles are a lifetime pursuit." - IronHank
Reid apparently commented on that as well:
geoffmosher
Reid also said Te’o-Nesheim’s coach described him as the DT version of Troy Polamalu – quiet and softspoken off field, a beast on it.
"College is only 4 years. The Eagles are a lifetime pursuit." - IronHank
by RyanGiggs11 on Apr 23, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
He's pretty damn strong.
"College is only 4 years. The Eagles are a lifetime pursuit." - IronHank
by RyanGiggs11 on Apr 23, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Shot putter at Washington as well.
"College is only 4 years. The Eagles are a lifetime pursuit." - IronHank
by RyanGiggs11 on Apr 23, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Howard replacement?
Seems like a guy they might have drafted to replace Howard’s role because Abiamiri can’t stay on the field or really contribute anything. In that respect, I can’t stay it is a total waste because Abiamiri flat out stinks.
All in all,
i don’t think this is a bad pick now that i’ve seen some tape and the combine numbers
4.18 short shuttle?!
Probably a stupid question
ESPN had Graham listed as an OLB on their “Draftcast”, but every single thing I’ve read about him said DE.
There hasn’t been rumblings of him getting moved around to LB are there?
I don’t mind the moving guys around between line and LB…but don’t do it with a first-round pick, Andy.
(Sorry — I haven’t actually seen much of Graham nor had much of a chance to read a ton this week)
4.18 Short Shuttle
Is how my wife describes my penis. I’m out! OL + RB + CB tomorrow!
Absolutely.
"College is only 4 years. The Eagles are a lifetime pursuit." - IronHank
by RyanGiggs11 on Apr 23, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Tomorrow is make or break.
They have got to come away with at least one starter tomorrow and a few depth guys who stick around. Still have some gaping holes at CB, C, and LB and several positions that could use better depth including RB, WR, T, G, and QB.
I expect at least one QB pick and one CB tomorrow in the 4th round.
That’s my boy! I had the Eagles taking him in the 4th. I’m not upset they got him here because of the shitload of 4ths and 5ths we have. He has the same skill set Cole had coming out of college. This line has the potential to be BEASTLY starting from next season. Still need that corner though…
Jim Johnson(RIP). Brian Westbrook(36). Donovan Mcnabb(5). Brian Dawkins(20). Sheldon Brown(24). Jeremiah Trotter(54).
Thanks for the memories...
Hell yes.
Daniel Te’o-Nesheim was one of my favorite prospects in the draft, and I’m so glad the Eagles took him. Today was a good day indeed…
by ChaoticEagle on Apr 23, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
In the same way that Griffen was slated to go in the 1st?
by CPaulin on Apr 23, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hmm a rotation of graham/teo or cole/teo sounds really freeking good quarterbacks (including mcnabb) beware.. we know the eagles love sending fresh bodies. Who would teo rotate with?
by Qu1nTeR on Apr 24, 2010 1:08 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
YEAH
this guys a beast. high motor and has excellent shape from college and highschool (same as me, HPA). We got a really good guy
Eff age, were winning now!
OK, I read through all of these comments
I’m not as down on this pick as I was last night, but I still wonder why we burn a 3rd on him. Not sure how I feel about our draft so far. I think I need to wait and see the whole body of work before drawing any conclusions.
We have lots of 4th rounders. Do you think we’ll try to get a 3rd in 2011 with one of them? Wouldn’t surprised me.
Go Eagles!
I understand what JasonB is saying when you can't have too many good players on the front 7
But, if you brought in Tapp to be a situational pass rusher, you have Trent Cole to rush the passer, and you just drafted a DE who can rush the passer in the 1st round, I don’t get where he plays. Especially when the reports say he is undersized. Are they just going to use him as a pass rushing LB?
I hated the Bryan Smith pick a few years ago. If this guy compare to him, I’m really not liking it.
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