On the Sheldon Brown Trade
by cavortingEagle on Apr 2, 2010 2:38 PM EDT
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PrintAnd the Associative Property of Personnel Moves.
Sheldon Brown. One of my favorite players on the team. Gone. His frank interviews and his gritty onfield play will be nearly impossible to replace, but this is the business of football. Many fans are complaining that the Eagles didn't get enough for him, that the Eagles should have gotten at least a third round pick for him.
Statistically speaking, the argument can be made that Sheldon was the Eagles best cornerback last year. This absolutely justifies the Eagles wanting at least a 3rd round pick for Sheldon. If you believe ProFootballFocus's table linked above, Sheldon was worth far more than a 3rd round pick. That's not what the Eagles got.
If you agree with Tommy Lawlor, the Eagles got pick numbers 105 and 137 (4th and 5th round) for Sheldon and the Birds traded Gocong straight up for Hall. Les Bowen on the other hand said 4th round pick and Hall for Brown and a fifth round pick for Chris.
In another formulation, Tommy says:
Sheldon = 105+137 and Gocong = Hall.
Les on the other hand said:
Sheldon = 105 + Hall and Gocong =137.
The truth of the matter is that the trade was:
Sheldon + Chris = 105 + Hall + 137.
It doesn't matter where you put the parentheses.
Looking at a couple versions of the "Draft Value Chart", the Eagles got the equivalent of a mid to late 3rd round pick and Hall for Sheldon and Chris. Is this enough for an aging, potentially disgruntled albeit excellent vet and a backup linebacker? I'm not sure, but it seems fair to me.
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Good stuff CE. I was just writing a whole thing about the value of this deal. Probably be up later tonight. I’ll def use some of your analysis here.
Agreed nice write-up CE, good to see you are still around.
I think the value in this trade is fair, and Sheldon happens to be my favorite Eagle.
Sheldon was slowed by a hamstring injury for the majority of last year this may have been yet another smart yet unpopular move by the Eagles.
They call me The Professor.
Agreed. I’m willing to write off a lot of Sheldon’s problems at the end of last year due to his injury, but the fact remains he looked terrible. Given the fact that he’s on the wrong side of 30, and never the fastest dude to begin with, I wouldn’t want to rework his contract either.
by zfg on Apr 2, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
a. Thanks Whodie, I’ve found I don’t have too much to say that hasn’t already been said by somebody else already, that’s why you don’t hear from me too much anymore…
b. I was specifically thinking about the hamstring when I called Sheldon: gritty…
by cavortingEagle on Apr 2, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know if "fair" is the word I'd use ...
… in the sense that I don’t particularly “like” what we got back, but I’ll leave it to the football professionals who’ve heard of Alex Hall before today to judge.
Whodie, you could definitely be right here. Sheldon may have 1-2 in the tank … glad dude got his deal. Too bad he never helped us get a ring.
this may have been yet another smart yet unpopular move by the Eagles.
They have earned the benefit of the doubt on when to let go
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
Good points.
While trading Sheldon might not be the most appealing thing to fans given his great year, it’s still good to get two decent draft choices in a deep draft (for picks ad trade fodder), especially for a guy whose performance could drop off the table fairly quickly.
I'm fine with the deal
Of course it opens a glaring hole in our secondary, but we have time to fill it.
I’m curious to see what happens down the stretch here as we assemble a team. Not time to worry, I’m fine just sitting back and watching the ’10 offseason unfold
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
Patience is rare among us Eagles fans
But you’re right. Really no sense in judging the team now, pre-draft.
This might be a team that’s set up to peak in a year or two.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
The way I look at it, the 4th and the 5th pick is probably going to be a guard and a linebacker. So we fill two holes and really only create one more, which would’ve been a hole in a year or two anyway.
I am the people's troll :3™
One question I forgot to ask in this post…
In a supposedly deep draft would someone rather a late 3rd round pick or extra picks soon thereafter?
With the washout rate of draftpicks in the NFL, I’d rather take my chances with the extra picks…
It allows freedom of movement in the draft.
By the way. Check out the 2006 draft the Eagles absolutely crushed it.
by cavortingEagle on Apr 2, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Gocong contributed...
but more than that how about 2 starters, a stud slot receiver, and 2 solid backups still on the team? That’s 5 out of 8 (I think) picks.
by cavortingEagle on Apr 2, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Roseman Fucked up bad on this one...
By pairing Sheldon w/ Gocong in a trade it significantly cut Sheldons value..
We got ripped the fuck off bad.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
value for value
I think it was a fair deal. They problem is how we replace Sheldon in the short-term, and unless we trade for a stud veteran, we’re looking at an immediate drop off at the position even though the long-term value might be fine. More and more I’m not seeing how we keep McNabb. Our team looks like one that will be ready to peak in 2 or 3 years…this isn’t a make or break season for us, and it makes sense to start the guy that will be peaking with the rest.
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
We really did get raped.
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
Browns fan here. I believe sheldon is a good player, however I would not suggest you take that chart at face value. according to that chart, not only was our CB Brandon McDonald one of our best Defensive backs, but he was almost as good as Nnamdi…any time, McDonald is in the same ballpark as Nnamdi, there is a major problem with the grading system…
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Hate to say it
But i guess I kinda told you so. Haha i’m joking but this is something that I completely expected and I am not disappointed with this trade. Brown wants more money. That is a big issue especially since he decided to publicly bitch about it last year. Who knows how far he would have taken it this year? I wouldn’t even be surprised if he personally told Andy that he wants a raise/trade or hes going to bitch again.
Brown is 31. He was injured plenty last year and had a very down season (for him). The injuries were nagging and who knows what effect they could have had on this season. Brown never had elite speed, so if his hamstring continues to get tweaked, then we would have seen him being burned many times this year (as he was last year). So you have a aging, disgruntled CB whose coming off a season plagued with nagging injuries and a decline in performance. Are you guys really surprised he was traded?
Now lets take a look at the value. Say what you want, but the Cromartie deal set the bar for compensation for a CB. He was traded for a 3rd and he was a probowl CB, who led the league in INT’s. He is also VERY YOUNG.
Brown didn’t make the Probowl (not initially anyways), is a lot older, and is coming off a declined season. A 4th and a 5th is plenty compensation for him, a very early 4th and 5th, which essentially is almost equal in value to a mid-late third.
Gocong for Alex Hall is fine. Gocong wasn’t good in our system, and we just added some depth to the LB’s, especially to the strong side where we don’t even have a clear starter yet.
Come on guys, we’ll be fine. We have plenty of questions to answer but I don’t think the FO stops here. No one should be expecting Hobbs to start next season. We’ll either pick someone up in the draft very early (Kyle Wilson?) or make a trade.
Not surprised he was traded ...
… but surprised he was traded by the Eagles, if that makes any sense. Yeah he’s an old cornerback coming off not his best season … but he was playing so below what he was getting paid I was convinced they’d ride him out.
This is the clearest sign yet that the youth movement is en force. There’s only one more old guy left to jettison, Juqua notwithstanding.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
He's not the only guy to speak well of the trade from the Eagles' standpoint
Mort tweeted that he thought the Eagles got the better of the deal – it’s linked in the fanshots
by alcatraz0109 on Apr 2, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
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