Eagles trade Sheldon Brown & Chris Gocong to Cleveland
by JasonB on Apr 2, 2010 12:09 PM EDT
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PrintThe trade sending Sheldon Brown & Chris Gocong to the Cleveland Browns is official. The Eagles will reportedly receive the Browns' 4th & 5th round picks in 2010 plus LB Alex Hall. The picks received are #105 and #137 overall.
Sheldon Brown, 31, will reportedly receive a new contract as part of the deal.
SAM LB Alex Hall was a 7th round pick of the Browns in 2008 and has started two games for the team. He's 6'5, 250 lbs and is 24 years old.
Reid and Roseman had this to say...
"Sheldon Brown has been a very good football player for the Eagles over the last eight years,"" said head coach Andy Reid. ""He's a good person, a legitimate tough guy and he'll do a good job helping the Browns. Chris did a good job converting from defensive end to linebacker and helped us win a lot of football games. We wish both of them all of the best."
Added general manager Howie Roseman, "Sheldon and Chris have been nothing but professionals on and off the field during their tenure in Philadelphia and we wish them all the best as they continue their careers in Cleveland. Alex Hall is a big, athletic linebacker who we've had our eyes on over the last couple of years and he'll have a chance to compete at the SAM linebacker spot."
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Regardless of who makes the final decision on the roster, Roseman had to go out and get fair compensation. He has not done a very good job of shopping McNabb, and essentially dumped off one of our best defensive players for a pick that they will likely trade away on draft day to move up/down.
Most people would agree that there is a different sense about this offseason than the past several years, and the main difference? Heckert isn’t here anymore.
by ZorkNemesis on Apr 2, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
Not done shopping donnie yet, but overall I concour.
by corn on the kolb on Apr 2, 2010 12:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Fair compensation...
This is the same offseason that Antonio Cromartie, a 25 year old former pro bowler who led the league in picks a couple years ago was traded for a 3rd round pick.
Taking that into account, what do you honestly think is fair compensation for 31 year old Sheldon Brown?
by JasonB on Apr 2, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
a third round pick would of been good, he’s as good as cromartie, just because cromartie led the league in picks doesn’t make him a superstar. his skills elsewhere are poor.
Market Value and Fair Compensation, in this case, are disparate disparate
Brown meant more to this team than Cromartie did to his.
Also, Brown meant more to this team than a 4th and 5th round selection likely will.
We just shouldn’t have made the trade at all
About 10 minutes ago, I was pondering my own existence. Then I decided that it didn't matter.
That’s a fair point. If you want to talk about BRown’s value here then I think that’s fair.
I’m just saying that this deal is fair market value for Brown. But as you said, it may not be worth more to the team than keeping Brown.
Agreed on that point. A 4th and 5th is prolly all we could ever hope to get for a 31 year old with no pro bowls and no name recognition
About 10 minutes ago, I was pondering my own existence. Then I decided that it didn't matter.
He was invited to the pro bowl twice I think, including last season. He just didnt go.
"Sugah n' rainbows"
"We will steal the show, jolly Rogers go, we are wolves of the sea."
I know that
But other teams may not
About 10 minutes ago, I was pondering my own existence. Then I decided that it didn't matter.
last year was the only year he was invited to the pro bowl and he was like the 8th alternate. no one else wanted to go to the pro bowl last year either
Wasn’t he offered the year we sent the whole team to the superbowl? I swear he was, but I might be wrong.
"Sugah n' rainbows"
"We will steal the show, jolly Rogers go, we are wolves of the sea."
he was invited because the starters and or back ups didnt play
he chose not to play for that reason i believe , he wanted to only play in a pro bowl if being recognized as the numero uno corner backo … divas these days
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by NorthPhillyKid on Apr 2, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
The Chargers are my second favorite NFL team, and the feeling over at Bolts from the Blue after the AC trade was basically good riddance. Cromartie is awesomely athletic, but he gambles a lot, doesn’t tackle and gets faked out of his shoes frequently.
Admittedly, Sheldon is a finished product who is more likely to get worse, as opposed to better, while AC is young and has a very high ceiling. But Sheldon is going to be a reliable corner who won’t get burned often, while AC is a total boom or bust guy.
good point
kinda forgot about that
"ARE YOU GONNA BUST SOMEBODY IN THEY MOUTH!?!?! CUZ IMA DO THAT!!!" - Brian Dawkins
It was a 2011 pick
(The Jets didn’t and still don’t have a 3rd-rounder this year)
Other comparable trade: the Jets traded FS Kerry Rhodes to Arizona for a 4th round plus something conditional
Officially contributing to worldwide confusion since 1997
get em coach lol
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If Football Had A Church , Brian Dawkins Would Be My Preacher. -NPK
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by NorthPhillyKid on Apr 2, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Roseman just got violently raped by TOM HECKERT!
Not only does Roseman deserve scrutiny, but he and that talentless asswipe capologist need to get the hell out of town. How do you let Tom fucking Heckert do this to you?
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
Now do you say that because you think they shouldn’t have traded Brown or do you actually think they could have gotten more for him?
They could have gotten a 2 or high 3 for Brown.
I get your Cromartie point that you made above, but I think that they could have swung a better trade for Sheldon. Now, that being said, I absolutely do not think they should have traded Sheldon at all. He was the cornerstone of that secondary. Does anyone think we’ll be remotely competitive next year?
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
Only if the offense puts up 40 per...or we make some crazy shit happen before the season.
by 5 plus 10 equals 6 on Apr 2, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
If they trade Kolb for Adrian Peterson, Jared Allen and Ray Edwards...
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
I think you’re out of your mind if you think they could have gotten that much for Brown. Absolutely out of your mind. No chance on earth they’d ever get that. That’s just a fact.
Now, I won’t argue with your point that he was worth keeping. That’s fair… but they never could have gotten more than they did.
Gotta disagree with you there.
A 4, a 5 and a backup for Swoop?
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
im starting to enlighten how much more important the draft is
i use to be a guy who looked forward to free agency more but the past 3-4 years i have become more of a draft guy … and with a draft so deep this year it only makes sense to be shopping your pampers wearers for a pick or two
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by NorthPhillyKid on Apr 2, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Amen, Mr. B
There is no way in hell they could have gotten a 2 for Brown. Unless the other team could avoid playing Dallas for the next 3 years.
Talk about overvaluing our players.
The front office really can do NO wrong for some can they…
by 5 plus 10 equals 6 on Apr 2, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I was more agreeing with Zork that the FO, Roseman, Reid whoever deserves some scrutiny for this offseason…
Your reply to Zork certaintly didn’t discredit the trade or anything the FO has done, more or less defending the FO (never said you liked it, but you i took your reply as a disagree with Zork’s comment)
by 5 plus 10 equals 6 on Apr 2, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
He didn’t say “Reid, the FO, whoever”. He said Roseman. Hence my comment and your pointless rebuttal.
I am the people's troll :3™
well yom,
here’s your chance…please tell me what you thought of the trade then.
by 5 plus 10 equals 6 on Apr 2, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Reid should be fired.
And banner should be hanged.
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
Roseman has 0 say in these trades. He is just like Heckert but with cap smarts. Andy is the man behind this stuff.
Andy has FINAL say . . .
but don’t think Roseman is doing a lot of the leg-work.
poorly phrased
Roseman IS doing a lot of the leg-work.
wow
a 4th and a 5th plus alex hall. I dont know much about him. Does he have any value?
this better be opening the field for a major trade because we are now very thin at CB and we just gave up our next to top if not the top CB.
Is the front office expect to have NA in Eagle green soon?
"Why do you step onto the field...? I don't believe in pressure. I don't believe in what may be said on the outside. Why do I step out onto the field? To Prove That I Am The Best!"
-Donovan McNabb
Nope.
We are trying to recreate the 2007 Patriots backfield
About 10 minutes ago, I was pondering my own existence. Then I decided that it didn't matter.
He's a young prospect at SAM
Not much NFL playing time to analyze, but I’m getting the sense that the trade was more for the picks anyway. The Eagles have stockpiled ten so far and are now in a good position to make a few more deals.
He will still need a lot of work to play SAM. Hall was a 7th round pick for the browns. He was out of a D-2 school, St. Augustine. He was a DE that we were converting to 3-4 OLB. So far the first 2 seasons, he has been primarily a special teams player. HE has been very good on special teams but still isn’t polished in some other areas. He is still very raw but has some very good upside. Outside of Special teams, he has only been a one down player. He can rush the passer well and has good speed, but will still need a lot of work to play the SAM position. He still needs to improve his tackling ability. however, he is a rangy player and still has room to fill out his frame (he is 6’5 250) and is still very lean.
I believe though, with a good coaching staff, he could be a solid player. He was 190 pounds when he walked onto campus at the age of 18. He left at 238 and a more polished player. He is up to 250 now and has room to go.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
WTF!!!
They raped us in this deal! Sheldon is worth at least a 3 all by himself. Not happy.
by Route36 on Apr 2, 2010 12:16 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I endorse this post
we probably lost a lot of value to age
Let's get it Birds.
by homestar2281 on Apr 2, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
ridiculous...
I know…
Apparently the FO wants nothing to do with ANYONE who was here for the last superbowl run…
by 5 plus 10 equals 6 on Apr 2, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
When Tom Heckert rapes you like that...
…it is a grim day.
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
F#ck Heckert
He needs leadership on team that has had 0 in the last 3-4 years. By the time they figure out which way is up, Brown will be long gone.
There was probably not much of a market for an aging CB, who needed to be resigned to a fairly large deal. So, we either play the McNabb game with him, or get what we can and try to make him happy. People were bitching about what we got for Lito too. Now, that ain’t looking too bad.
Just great. Alex Hall only started 2 games.
by 5IVE on Apr 2, 2010 12:18 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
if anything this really shows that McNabb will be gone
Let's get it Birds.
by homestar2281 on Apr 2, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
How so?
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
i would guess...
seeing that everyone who has been with birds 5+ is seeya later
by 5 plus 10 equals 6 on Apr 2, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
exactly
why bring him back to play with a bunch of draft picks
Let's get it Birds.
by homestar2281 on Apr 2, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't worry
I’m sure the Eagles no what they are doing and with all these draft picks don’t be surprised if we make a couple of more deals
I’ll be pissed if they cut Hall. during training camp or at the end of the season just like they did Witherspoon.
by 5IVE on Apr 2, 2010 12:22 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Yeah, I think the teams just swapped some potential for potential there. Heckert thought Gocong might still have something, the Eagles apparently liked Hall in the past…
Jason, I'd bet that Hall doesn't make the final 75, much less the 53 man roster.
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
I second this.
I mean, if they liked him so much, why was he the 231st overall pick for another team? One pick after King Dunlap, no less.
Oh shit.
This guy was drafted after queen dunlap?
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
I found that quote extremely laughable attempt to save face that “we’ve had our eyes on him (Hall) for a while” – you’ve had your eyes on a 2 year pro who’s started twice..ok.
by 5 plus 10 equals 6 on Apr 2, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
How disingenuous can you get?
They had their eye on him for a while? He had 10 tackles last year. Sheldon gets 10 tackles a game. Sheldon Brown is a better linebacker as a corner than Alex Hall is a linebacker as a linebacker.
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
Sheldon can play alot of positions better than many members of our current defense.
by 5 plus 10 equals 6 on Apr 2, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Sheldon Brown is a better center than Nick Cole.
And a better guard than Max Jean Gillis.
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
Pft..
I punt better than Sav..
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
I as a browns fan disagree. Hall was one of those guys who had a lot of question marks as a player coming out. he was undersized, and came from a small, D-2 school. However, our GM had a private workout for him and liked what he saw. the guy has skills. He showed some his first year. However, he fell behind in the depth chart last year. He did improve his tackling and ST play last year though. He could make the ruster purely based on ST play and potential.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
maybe by height…
He is 6’5 but is only 245-250 pounds. He is very lean, but doesn’t have a ton of bulk.
He was also undersized when he was drafted. He was a 6’5 player who was mid 230 pounds as a DE. he still is undersized for a DE/OLB pass rusher. He is solid size for a SAM linebacker, but He still needs some work to play the position. However, he has some talent and has a lot of potential.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
like I said he’s not undersized here … he will be our biggest LB and right around the same size as the rest of our DEs
They call me The Professor.
I agree with that. He has good size for a LB. Still, He is nowhere near as bulky as your DEs. He might be 250 pounds, but he is also 6’5 and lean. He has a body more like a linebacker than a DE. Still, he has good size for a LB.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
really?? what does your scouting report on him say??
VOID!!!
by dt3 on Apr 2, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
This smells like
they are going to move up to top 10 in the first round cause they really like somone
Yeah...
and it better be Earl Thomas or Joe Haden
About 10 minutes ago, I was pondering my own existence. Then I decided that it didn't matter.
i love thomas but if we plan on moving into the top 10 I dont know why we dont shoot for the stars and go for Berry
VOID!!!
Right..
Hopefully that’s what their doing, but that’s still a difficult move to make into the top 5 without over-trading to get in position to grab him..
by 5 plus 10 equals 6 on Apr 2, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
You're going to have to change your username to..
4 Plus 10 Equals 6..
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
or more to the point, 4 plus x equals pick 6
by captain nodar on Apr 2, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Or 7 plus 18 equals 6.
THE MICHAEL VICK ERA IS COMING!
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
How about this one...
…53 (man roster) – 24 (Sheldon Brown) = 5 (wins)
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
Or to some (such as you)
53 – (5 + 24) = 0 (Playoff Chance)
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
i kno...
or 4 plus 18 equals 6….these numbers are getting too big! haha
by 5 plus 10 equals 6 on Apr 2, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
why not 14 plus 86 equals 6
haha
Team McNabb
I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
RIP JJ
by sports00fan00 on Apr 2, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
now there’s just no way that 14 plus 86 equals 6…thats crazy people math!
by 5 plus 10 equals 6 on Apr 2, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t consider pick 105 and 137 the ammo we need. I actually think trading sheldon on draft day would be more useful to move up into the top ten. And at this point, our entire secondary is decrepit (minus asante) so I don’t know how one guy we draft is going to offset our major lack of pass defense.
you give them our 1st this year for the 4Th and their 1st
teams that are rebuilding want picks so maybe you throw in more later round picks.
i am not saying that i think it is a good deal- but the only way you give up arguably your strongest starting player at the thin position is if you have a target on someones back in the draft. the only thing i really do not understand is the only person i can think of is eric berry- and we already have 999999999 safeties
i say that because we need OG/C not OT so your not going to move up in the first round for an OG/C. We just signed a DE so i doubt you move up to draft a de (esp because there are no studs) we do not need DT or OT ( by that i mean in the high first round) we do not value the LB position like that. Finally we historically also do not value the safety position like that.
Finally Finally i just cannot imagine getting rid of a good corner to move up to draft a new corner…
im confused
by FakePhilly33 on Apr 2, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
we only gave the browns our 1st and 6th rd pick to move up and grab maclin last yr, so i would say that those picks could be used as ammo
19th pick...
i think we can pull off another 1st and 6th to move up to the 19th spot, KYLE WILSON.
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Apr 2, 2010 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
depends...
on how late haden and thomas go. we just really need to get infront of the texans.
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Apr 3, 2010 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I view this trade as Gocong for Hall and Brown for the 4th/5th round picks. I guess since this is a deep draft the Eagles would rather have two draft picks then one in the 3rd.
I don't think so
you cant compare a third year player with 2 starts to a started on a good team
Let's get it Birds.
by homestar2281 on Apr 2, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
I guess thats true
Let's get it Birds.
by homestar2281 on Apr 2, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I look at it this way, Sheldon did play well for the most part last yr but his play is starting to decline and he is an aging CB who wanted a new contract and the eagles did not want to give him one. Im just guessing here but he was probably going to hold out until he got a new contract, so rather than putting up with that they traded him and let the Browns work out a new deal. Obviously converting Gocong to a SAM LB wasn’t working out and why Fokou was starting at the end of last yr. There were probably very few teams interested in either player so rather than having Gocong waste a roster spot or just get realeased they figured they would trade him.
If u look at it
Its basically trading a crappy LB for a crapy LB and the 4th and 5th picks for Sheldon
Break it down
Sheldon = 4th and Alex Hall
Gocong = 5th
That is almost fair value I guess… but still don’t like it.
That's worse
Gocong > Hall
Sheldon > 4th and 5th.
I would’ve been happy with a 3rd and 5th for Sheldon. Or maybe a 3rd alone. But a 4th and 5th is not good enough to me.
And I’d feel much more comfortable with Gocong (who has started 20+ games and knows our schedme) over Hall.
it might be almost fair but when all the pretrade talk was based around gocong for a 3rd/4th its a bitter pill to swallow.
VOID!!!
Never heard
3rd/4th for Gocong.
Anybody who mentioned that as possible compensation for Gocong was dreaming.
well...
Now it’s safe to say that we have the worst tackling defensive backfield in all the land thanks to Hobbs, Asante, and the Nacho man…
by 5 plus 10 equals 6 on Apr 2, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
mmmm
nothing like being to compared to the Lions to cap this trade off
Let's get it Birds.
by homestar2281 on Apr 2, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I have been fortunate enough to NOT have see the Lions the last few seasons with the exception of Calvin Johnson TD highlights.
But damn…have things changed this offseason, and we’re just gettin started I think…
by 5 plus 10 equals 6 on Apr 2, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
macho can hit
i havent given up on him, i mean he was a 5th round draft pick asked to switch positions and learn jj’s/mcD’s defense and start opening day his rookie year
he didnt play too bad either, he didnt play good but he wasnt too bad, give him some time
I absolutely decline to offer my opinion on or read any posts about the McNabb v. Kolb debacle. Those posts never end and I choose to sit back and wait to see what happens. This is going to be a long offseason.
Great.
Trade away one of the best and most consistent players on the D. Let alone the leadership. WTF. I HATE this move.
(takes role of some on this site)
what do you mean?!?…leadership doesn’t mean anything!
It’s a talent and execution league!….having veterans who know how to win..and in the playoffs mean nothing!
/shakes head at the morons who actually believe said statement.
by 5 plus 10 equals 6 on Apr 2, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Leadership don't mean shit.
What you really need is young players.. Hell, i hope they release anyone who’s over 26 by the first game this year.. That would make us the best team in football
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
You my friend, Have proven my point.
by 5 plus 10 equals 6 on Apr 2, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you with/against me?
I’m confused. That was sarcasm..
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
he was pretending to be jibta
(takes role of some on this site)
Team McNabb
I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
RIP JJ
by sports00fan00 on Apr 2, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Still confused as hell, but okay.
Lol
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
Im with ya antoniak...
i wasn’t sure if that was sarcasm or not lol
by 5 plus 10 equals 6 on Apr 2, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I wasn't trying to be JIBTA necessarily..
just some who on here who take a strong stance which i was emulating.
by 5 plus 10 equals 6 on Apr 2, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
my mistake man
my first guess was sarcasm lol…but couldn’t tell bc I know that some would actually mean your statement haha.
by 5 plus 10 equals 6 on Apr 2, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Trust me.
I’m not an idiot lol.. I’ve actually seen comments close to that that were serious..
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
haha...
see, we just needed a few more minutes…
see below lol.
by 5 plus 10 equals 6 on Apr 2, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
leadership doesn’t mean anything!
This is the most wrong statement since “trade for boldin!!!!!!”
Let's get it Birds.
by homestar2281 on Apr 2, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
bull shit
leadership is bull shit .. u need talent to win .. sheldon had talent .. thats why i hate this trade .. trotter leadership? too bad he was done 4 years ago .. its bs .. talent is the most important factor ..
by jack is better than asante on Apr 2, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Talent is pretty important..
But with no direction how good can that be? You need some level of serious leadership.. Dawk and Brown are gone, I don’t know who’ll lead the defense now.. Cole?
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
of course...
talent is more important…but a team does need SOME leadership and not the kind of leadership that is a waste of a roster space like Trotter last year.
So to put it more accurately…Proven, On the field Leadership is very important.
by 5 plus 10 equals 6 on Apr 2, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
2 words
called it
Team McNabb
I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
RIP JJ
by sports00fan00 on Apr 2, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
That is a fucking pathetic trade.
RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
Hey, look, my sig isn't overly big!
by Imp on Apr 2, 2010 12:31 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
ouch
have faith. we still have djax, tapp could unleash cole, celek, maclin… new assistant coaches. have faith.
And a defense full of unproven players in the secondary other then samuel and mikell, not to mention the mess in front of them, bradley is returning though.
I don't like this
Why would we trade Brown? He’s been a great player for us for years now and off the field was an outstanding vet. He wanted the new contract badly but he handled that situation so well, coming to workouts and not holding out, he was a great example to our young stars who are going to want their own new contracts soon. And it’s not like we have anything close to his talent waiting for a shot to play. There better be something else in the works because I really don’t see how the team is improved unless whomever they draft with those picks turns out to be a sold starting corner.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
or a run game...
It’s a pass happy league man…just look at drew brees and peyton manning – they can get it done without a consistent run game!
and shit, let’s just use our 3 timeouts on the first drive of each half so we don’t have to worry about silly things like the game clock!
by 5 plus 10 equals 6 on Apr 2, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Folks....
This is what rebuilding feels like.
….and don’t give me that reloading/retooling bullshit.
Didn’t feel like we needed to rebuild we just needed some tweaking here and there but I felt that was mostly at OL and LB, but between the cuts and trades it certainly feels like rebuilding.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
It’s not like we had a losing season last year and require rebuilding. Rebuilding IMO is literally building form the ground up. That is not what is needed for this team.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
I consider rebuilding when you get rid of most of your older veteran players and re-start with young and inexperienced players, regardless of an 11-5 record last year. Remember, 1-4 against over .500 teams. And that one win was against a Falcons team without two of their best players, and they themselves went 1-5 against over .500 teams.
Yomjo has been alerted that you used the world ‘rebuilding.’ He usually freaks out when other people have used that word this offseason or to describe what has happened on offense the past 2 seasons.
can we call it
a super talented rebuilding team? How many players over 30 years old do we have? McNabb and I cant think of any others off the top of my head
Yesterday,
I was hoping for a third, maybe fourth for Gocong. NOW, we get Alex Hall (who the hell is that?), and a fourth and fifth, which won’t really help unless we want to move up or down. GOOD MOVE FO!
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
Best case scenario,
Yes.. But i remembered there’s no one named Al Davis in Cleveland..
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
3rd?!?!?!?!
Gocong would barely be worth a 5th. He doesn’t do anything especially well to merit that. Most people think Brown is worth about a 3rd and he and Gocong are no where close to each other in terms of talent. It is completely natural for people to over value the players on their favorite team though, most people think we should get a 1st for McNabb whereas we’re much more likely to get a 3rd or maybe, maybe a 2nd given the value of his contract, years on the contract and his age.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
Pissed..
If we only got a 2nd for McNabb.
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Ain’t saying if it will or will not happen, but if it does, prepare to be PISSED>
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
Oh i know.
I can see the headline. McNabb traded to Raiders for conditional 7th rounder in 2012 and two waterboys
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Well, we can either take fair value now
or just watch him walk to the Vikes after next year.
If we get a 2nd and a player, or 2 3rds or whatever, we need to take it. If you’re pi$$ed with that, I’d hate to read this board when we lose him for nothing.
on the bright side
we got worse at corner .. but we got better at lb.. cuz the eagles cant put gocong on the field anymore
by jack is better than asante on Apr 2, 2010 12:41 PM EDT reply actions
I'd rather have been average at both,
Then to suck at one and be better at the other.. I don’t think Hall will help that much, or i would have heard about him by now.
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That's what i'm thinking.
Wtf, mate?
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
I hope he isn't as bad...
…as Jack IkeaGuano or Reggie Brown were.
PLEASE TELL ME THIS IS A LATE APRIL FOOLS JOKE
i was half asleep when i saw this. now i wide awake
McNabb's value just went down...
If I am the GM of another NFL team who needs a QB… I analyze the moves the Eagles have made and see that they’re obviously rebuilding/retooling/getting younger.
There’s no way I can wrap my head around a scenario where the Eagles keep McNabb. So because it’s obvious they’re going to trade him, I offer the Eagles less than I would if there was a chance they’d keep him.
This McNabb trade is not looking good from the outside looking in.
Not necessarily.
I think what kind of bit us in the butt is the fact that we couldn’t make a move faster. The longer we wait, the less the value.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
I agree
then add to the fact that we traded another one of our core players.
If we we had a team in place right now that could compete for the SB then I could see us keeping McNabb.
But without Sheldon, that’s not the case.
So you’re saying we are conceding this season in April? lol
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
trying to get myself ok with this move
but it’s hard to stomach trading Sheldon for a box of chocolates. Who was our best corner last year?
http://profootballfocus.com/by_position.php?tab=by_position&season=2009&pos=CB&stype=r&runpass=&teamid=-1&numsnaps=25&numgames=1
I. HATE. FLOZELL. ADAMS.
..cheater..
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TJ Whoshyomama!
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Adam_Schefter
Shaking in big D: Calvin Watkins of ESPN.com reporting — and it is confirmed — that Cowboys are releasing OT Flozell Adams.
Makes me feel a little better..
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Great
Now they might actually draft a tackle now…
RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
Hey, look, my sig isn't overly big!
No
They are signing Shawn Andrews to play LT
About 10 minutes ago, I was pondering my own existence. Then I decided that it didn't matter.
Don't joke
I already said I’d cry if Shawn “returns to form” for another team… if that team is the Cowboys…. uggggh.
Zzzzzz
Shelden needed to go. With his age and contract he’s worth a 4 and a 5. little low on the value, but we’re not getting a 3 for him.
Gocong is a guy who didn’t fit for us, and from my reading, this oher guy didn’t work for them. Tbh its borderline fair-to-favorable for the browns. Gocong does have starting experience over this other doofus, but all things considered, its a crapshoot.
Would’ve preferred to see a pair of 4s for shelden, but I wonder… outside of us and the browns, who else can see anything but a hurt declining cb? The market was dry, and I’m not losing sleep over the deal, or hobbs starting.
by corn on the kolb on Apr 2, 2010 12:46 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
So, this is how the Raiders feel whenever they make a trade…
RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
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I'm willing to give Hall a shot before I toss him into the fire
Wish we could have traded Sheldon for more, but like Jason said the fact he wanted a new deal probably pushed his value down a little. This is a CB deep draft so it shouldn’t be too hard to find a runner up for the spot Sheldon was in.
When espn sent me the text I was like damn!! Is this meaning 1st round cb?
by jjrome on Apr 2, 2010 12:51 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
We're not as desperate at corner as we are at other positions.
But that means any good CB’s around at #24 will be looked at harder..
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This is pathetic I didn’t know Al Davis worked for the Eagles…c’mon Roseman wtf are you doing trying to gut the team, you honestly think anything you received in this trade will help us this year? No it won’t, Sheldon Brown would of helped now we have a ballhawk in Samuel and nobody to compliment him. Just don’t get it.
Say goodbye to playoffs
Tough schedule next year, young team. We could be in for a long year. Hope we get some real good talent for the defensive side of the ball and make a run in 2-3 years.
Tomorrow's news:
McNabb traded to Raiders for 5th round pick and practice squad punter.
GIVE ME A BLUE JACKETS TEAM WORTH ROOTING FOR
ACCEPT ACCEPT ACCEPT!
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ehh
aslong is that punter is shane lechler. . hes nasty
by jack is better than asante on Apr 2, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
haha...
well atleast we can give Al Davis credit that he still knows how to pick punters/kickers lol.
by 5 plus 10 equals 6 on Apr 2, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
His one strong point.
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If it's a male
it should find 2 pretty easily
Officially contributing to worldwide confusion since 1997
Well not to be lost in all of our frustration . . .
I just want to say happy trails and good luck to Sheldon. One of my favorite Eagles since his rookie year . . . very sad state of affairs for us fans.
Hope Sheldon is happy, you are now paid like you should be but on a team who won’t make the playoffs while your there. Congrats sheldon you got what you wanted, more money for a losing record.
Could trading one of our CBs
have something to do with the rumors of trading 5 to the Raiders for Asomugha
child please
by worldphuckinchamps on Apr 2, 2010 1:00 PM EDT reply actions
I hope so.
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the jets have
cromartie and revis=pick master and shutdown corner. If we can land asomugha we would have samuel a pick master and asomugha a shutdown corner. That would be nice
"Bleed green for life my nocos"
They have a freakin' FANSHOT on their main page!
….with 37 comments. They just got a top ten corner. Those ungrateful and ignorant fans! lol
Ahdhsjfhalhhhfsklhds!
If i was a Cleveland fan though, I wouldn’t be too excited about anything.. Lol I doubt Gocong and Brown can help their team enough to make them winners..
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If I was a Cleveland fan, I ‘d be wondering why my team made this trade when they could’ve traded a 3rd round pick for Cromartie…
RIght about now, I’m kind of wondering that as an Eagles fan!
I like Cromartie.
I’d give up a third for him.. Definately
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are you defending philly on this trade? because this is not helping them, no player they draft with this picks would do for us this season what sheldon or gocong would of.
..Gocong?
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It won't be hard to replace Gocong..
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JasonB...
You do a much, much better job than 90 percent of other SBN NFL site moderators. Just wanted to tell ya. I’m sure you saw my post about the Giants site after they got Rolle.
Yeah, I agree.
JasonB is a great site mod.. I haven’t seen another one that’s up to par. Pretty professional.
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I agree with them JasonB you are very good. but just a question, wouldn’t you say that cromartie is not as complete of a cb as brown yet they got a 3rd for him and we got next to nothing. Unless one of those picks turns into the next coming of darren sproles this is a lost trade right now. Like the raiders giving away Moss for a measily 4th round pick then watching him rip off 23 tds.
You say “next to nothing” when in fact they got a 4th round pick in the package. One round below the compensation for Cromartie.
Point is, Cromartie is 25. He’s been a pro bowl player. He’s led the league in picks. He was a first round pick and he’s great size/speed. There’s no way you can say his value is less or equal to Sheldon Brown at this point in his career. I say that as a huge fan of Sheldon Brown.
He’s no where near as good a tackler as Sheldon, but he’s probably better at everything else and will be for the next 5 years. Again, that’s the important point here. The youth.
Im a huge fan of Sheldon too, I thought he was very classy compared to most who want more money and a new contract. But I guess what Im saying is do you think the picks they received for Sheldon will ever do for philly what sheldon did?
It’s not about doing what Sheldon did. If the picks do what Sheldon would’ve done over the course of the next few seasons, then it’s worth it. I’m not sure it’s a good trade still, but it’s hard to believe Sheldon would return to the form he showed at the beginning of last season.
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I agree yom, I see your point but with no qualified replacement for Sheldon at cb how can you make this trade. I think Hanson has potential and Hobbs is good but not starters.
Yes, it certainly would have been nice to have a young corner already waiting in the wings to take over…
Basically like SHeldon Brown was for Bobby Taylor.
we
are just that much more obsessed with our team than they are. The eagles are like a religion for us
"Bleed green for life my nocos"
It is a great way to miss out on church.
“I’m blogging with my fellow Eaglians.”
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Kind of like how we were like “ohh cool, Tapp is here” while the whole seattle area was plotting a mass suicide.
"Sugah n' rainbows"
"We will steal the show, jolly Rogers go, we are wolves of the sea."
by JpH89 on Apr 2, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
They live in Seattle...
…they’re always plotting a mass suicide.
Brent Celek > Chuck Norris
by Filth2Fury on Apr 2, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So…
McNabb and Jamal Jackson are the only players left from ’04 Super Bowl team. Latter has a ACL tear and going to miss significant time next season and former probably getting traded.
Well, Eagles sure do know how to clean a roster anyway…
RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
Hey, look, my sig isn't overly big!
well....
2004 was 6 seasons ago, thats 6 years to a group of guys that were already mid-late 20’s. and knowing how much Big Reid hates the 30 year old, I can understand that
"Sugah n' rainbows"
"We will steal the show, jolly Rogers go, we are wolves of the sea."
Time will tell...
I’ll reserve any sort of judgment on this trade until I see what we get out of those picks and if Sheldon has a solid year (including holding up to injury) with the Browns.
I have this feeling that the FO wasn’t too confident in Sheldon heading into this year, whether it’s injury concerns or just age in general, given the fact that he was traded at all. His base salary was manageable and I don’t think he would have been a problem child during camp, so the only logical reason I could see in trading him for the compensation they received is they feel he is on the decline, or won’t be able to hold up for the whole season.
Go watch the videos of Howie Roseman
and tell me you are able to hold down your lunch watching that smug little asshole talk
Let's get it Birds.
He makes me puke.
He is a disgusting animal.
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
When asked about if the trade was a football move or financial
He said it was a great chance to get really good picks in the draft ….. nigga is you serious
I understand he would never say anything else but come on
Let's get it Birds.
What an awful awful trade, not a fan at all and I usually give the FO the benefit of the doubt.
by You don't have to be sweet, to be good on Apr 2, 2010 1:26 PM EDT reply actions
I hate the FO more than Anne Frank hates Hitler.
And I agree with you. This was an awful, awful trade.
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
by EvilBanner on Apr 2, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh Great! We were already the SOFTEST DEFENSE IN THE PLAYOFFS
and NFC East. Now we traded the last tough guy we had. Sheldon played his heart out for the Eagles. Gocong had his nasty times too especially on running plays. THIS AINT EAGLE FOOTBALL WITH ALL THIS SPEED AND FINESSE. They remind me of the Miami Dolphins now.
by Lombardi and Broad on Apr 2, 2010 1:28 PM EDT reply actions
Or Cardinals. They did allow the most points in playoff history.
RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
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by Imp on Apr 2, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Eagles couldn't stop a runny nose last year. The Cardinals and the Packers
would have lit the Eagles D up!
by Lombardi and Broad on Apr 2, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Is it not at all meaningful that Sheldon was part of that defense that couldn’t stop a runny nose.
By the end of the year, he was a big reason for that… He was injured to be fair and maybe the team shares some blame for not sitting him(or having someone worth sitting him for), but he was struggling.
I mean
Good cornerbacks grow on trees right? And who the fuck is Alex Hall?
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
Swoop's backup
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
What if Sheldon’s injuries were more serious than we thought they were?
What if he never plays at the same level as he did last year?
Would you guys still be so upset about this trade? If Sheldon came back and stank it up, you guys would be all over them for not addressing it earlier. We won’t know who got the better end of the deal until the regular season. Honestly, we probably got a pretty even trade.
I am the people's troll :3™
Yes, we got an even trade in terms of value… SHeldon would never fetch more on the trade market than we got…
However, I think we can all agree that it would have nice to have Sheldon around for another year while a young corner was drafted.
I think so too, but the Eagles might think differently. If Brown played at a level worse than or equal to Hobbs, then this is by far the right move.
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I like Hobbs a lot just hope his neck heals and allows him to return to a quality form, he’s a great kick returner as well.
great kick returner...
but I really think it’s a toss up for who is our better option for 2nd cb….my vote – neither.
by 5 plus 10 equals 6 on Apr 2, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
well...
let’s definitely hope that you are correct as well as our FO and it reminds us of when we got rid of Taylor/Vincent…granted we had already drafted Lito/Sheldon last time around…
by 5 plus 10 equals 6 on Apr 2, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Now with Brown gone dawkins and sheppard we have one non tackling corner. Bress would probably throw 100 touchdowns on us with this D
I wasn't even a year old but I stayed up to be outside the Vet with my Dad and Mom when the Phillies won the World Series 1980.
Biggest emotional swing ever
I saw Chris Gocong got traded and my heart jumped. Then I saw that Sheldon Brown got traded. FUcking stupid deal
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
would’ve been even worse we had not already given the boot to Reggie Brown and the headline was Gocong and Brown traded to Browns then when you read the article it turns out it’s Sheldon not Reggie…
see…it could have been worse.
by 5 plus 10 equals 6 on Apr 2, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
that is my thinking
I wasn't even a year old but I stayed up to be outside the Vet with my Dad and Mom when the Phillies won the World Series 1980.
by Christopher A on Apr 2, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
*fingers crossed*
I still think it’s doubtful, but the chances of this sort of deal jumped a couple percent IMO.
More cap space
So we can sign Lebron at the end of the season
Team McNabb
I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
RIP JJ
I think our compensation probably got worse by making them take Gocong off our hands.
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by andyreidswaistline on Apr 2, 2010 1:34 PM EDT reply actions
Alex Hall was drafted one pick after King Dunlap.
Let that rattle around in your head. It’s fucking wonderful, isn’t it?
I think all doubt is gone.
But watch him, show up as our QB next year, along with Kolb and Vick. That would be funny. Well, in a ha-ha way. Joe_D would go into hiding.. Along with a few others..
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My cat does! He can see into the future.
RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
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by Imp on Apr 2, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
we're keeping all 3 QBs
McNabb is our Quarterback
i was kinda hoping Kolb would go for a first rounder with gocong
Team McNabb
I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
RIP JJ
by sports00fan00 on Apr 2, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Andy won't give up Kolb for two firsts..
Seattle or San Fran, eh hem.
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Would McNabb even want to stay around? He’s got to be somewhat of an outcast amongst the remaining players considering he’s 5 years older than everyone on the team.
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a conversation betwee mcnabb and the rest of the team would probably be confusing to the old guy. he probably can’t understand half of the words desean jackson uses in a sentence
Have you read DJax's tweets?
I don’t understand what the hell he’s saying half the time.
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McNabb will need a more urban copy of urban dictionary.
by 5 plus 10 equals 6 on Apr 2, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Lebron 2010
Team McNabb
I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
RIP JJ
by sports00fan00 on Apr 2, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Nnamdi
Please tell me this move is to trade some of these picks with Mcnabb to the Raiders for Nnamdi, I know his contract is ridiculous but ………..
Absolutely
I am willing to bet money that us dumping our best corner means we are trading McNabb for Nnamdi Asomugha…
Is Al crazy enough to trade him for McNabb though? There would have to surely be some picks involved as well or Al is an idiot
Hes an idiot
he runs the Raiders like Kim Jung Il runs North Korea…Al probably has sypholis too
Well the max picks a team can have is 10 so not sure what we are expecting to do with them, might as well send some to oakland and grab Huff as well.
I could be wrong on that, was told that by several knowledgeable ppl but I may be wrong so don’t hold me to that
dallas had 13 last year
correct?
Team McNabb
I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
RIP JJ
by sports00fan00 on Apr 2, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, Its The Aspiration To Suck
If I was McNabb I’d be begging for a trade now. This team will suck with Kevin “2nd comnig of JP Losman” Kolb already, but now its to the point where the NFL should step in and investigate this.
can you give me the next lottery numbers considering you can see into the future so clearly I’d like to take advantage.
They call me The Professor.
don’t chose any number starting with 30!
by eagleyosh on Apr 2, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I can’t see into the future but it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see that there’s more potential to suck then there is to be good…..by a LONG shot.
at the present state i’d have to agree. there is still plenty of time to make moves but where we sit RIGHT NOW we are .500 at best. i’m all about restocking and starting fresh to make a run in a few years, but this year is lookin to be a down one
.500 at best….just out of curiousity, are you assuming a Kolb starter or McNabb?
If you dont like Big Red, then F#%@ You!
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by GreenInBaltimore on Apr 2, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
gotcha. you had just said “RIGHT NOW” so i thought that was a reference to our “current QB” mcnabb
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by GreenInBaltimore on Apr 2, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
i see them as a contender in 2011. i don’t see kolb taking us to the playoffs in his first year unless we magically conjure a strong running game and a strong defense. the strong running game is laughable and the strong defense is a work in progress. hopefully they prove me wrong
look at what Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco did with mediocre teams. I mean the Falcons were 4-12 the year before at least we were in the playoffs last year. The Ravens were 5-11.
I’m just saying book, cover, judging.
They call me The Professor.
only problem with that tho
is kolb doesnt even compare to Ryan and Flacco. best bet is to stick with mcnabb for another 3+ years.. but what do i know.. im a giants fan
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by Plaxico Burress on Apr 2, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
3 superbowls
i know that tho… and personally.. not being a dick, seriously.. i think trading mcnabb is a big big mistake. the guy makes u a playoff contender every single year.. i dont understand the kolb hype but that might be cuz im not a fan.
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by Plaxico Burress on Apr 2, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s probably because you have even less of an idea of what to expect than we do, considering you’ve probably never watched him play.
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i saw him play the one game he started
cuz i had desean on my fantasy team, so when he wasnt playin the gents i rooted for him… and kolb looked pretty good then, but wasnt it against KC or someone like that? i could probly put up 400 yards on KC… what is the eagles fan’s honest expectation of kolb?
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by Plaxico Burress on Apr 2, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
mixed
some are blind by the fact that he had 2 good outings against bad passing defenses, some think he’s the “second coming of JP Losman” (clarkerots), and some say he’s unproven and won’t take sides
Team McNabb
I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
RIP JJ
by sports00fan00 on Apr 2, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
some are blind by the fact that he had 2 good outings against bad passing defenses,
Aren’t great QBs supposed to exploit bad defenses? I think this argument is weak.
They call me The Professor.
Joe Montana or Ryan Leaf
haha so pretty much the same arguement giants fans went through with Eli the first few years of his career.. its obvious now hes no ryan Leaf
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by Plaxico Burress on Apr 2, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
he's an overpaid
Matt Hassellback
Team McNabb
I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
RIP JJ
by sports00fan00 on Apr 2, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
cmon really??????
i understand you dont like the giants, i dont like the birds and i can still admit theyre a good football team. you have to admit eli is one of the best QBs in the NFL behind the 3 elites of peyton, brady, and brees
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by Plaxico Burress on Apr 2, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Eli’s top 10, not top 5.
He’s been a much better QB since 07, that’s for sure. If he shows more consistency I’d be willing to concede further but right now saying he’s higher than top 10 is pushing it.
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65% give or take completion percentage
looks pretty consistant to me.. he does make erratic throws every now and then.. but take them away and hes like 70% completion percentage
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by Plaxico Burress on Apr 2, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Take away McNabb’s erratic throws and he’s like 70% too… what a joke of an argument.
Eli is good, not great. He’s a top 12 QB who has shown great improvement over the last two years, but he’s still not one of the best.
Haha ok ur right u got me there
But that 65% is still pretty good no matter what ur doin.. And with what was supposed to be a very weak wr core at the beginning of the year
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by Plaxico Burress on Apr 2, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
its tough to adjust to losing your best weapon
12 games into the season.. i dont think any QB would have handled that very well.. imagine brady if moss went down game 13.. he’d have a big slide in play
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by Plaxico Burress on Apr 2, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
he’d have a big slide in play
LOL Brady went most of his career making Wideouts … Branch, Brown, Gaffney …
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he had them for a whole season, and the offseason before that.
if u took away his best weapon that far along into the season it would absolutly hurt his play
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by Plaxico Burress on Apr 2, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
so if desean got hurt week 12
in 2009, your telling me mcnabb wouldnt have suffered a slide in his play? taking away his best weapon like that?
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by Plaxico Burress on Apr 2, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Maclin would have been the one going deep
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by sports00fan00 on Apr 2, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
before desean
(&besides TO) who did mcnabb have to throw to? (after Chad Lewis)
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by sports00fan00 on Apr 2, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
freddie mitchel
lol
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by Plaxico Burress on Apr 2, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
i was hoping for a FredEx response
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by sports00fan00 on Apr 2, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
ah ok got it
i was jus talking about QBs in general losing thier best weapon will be effected. brady may be the exception to the rule
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by Plaxico Burress on Apr 2, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I was going to go with Trent Dilfer … considering they both don’t deserve there rings.
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hahaha cmoonnnnnnnnnn
how does he not deserve it… a playoff run like they had in 2007 then taking down the 18-0 Pats is very deserving of a ring
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by Plaxico Burress on Apr 2, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
defense def did their job
but so did eli.. the O still had to score more then the pats did
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by Plaxico Burress on Apr 2, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d rather Eli get it than have Tom Brady get 4.
Besides, that play to Tyree alone is worth a Super Bowl.
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+1
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by Plaxico Burress on Apr 2, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
meh obviously I’m bitter but I think the Defense keeping Brady off the field and the Pats suspect defense on the field was the difference not Eli.
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your right eli def not the difference maker
but still got the job done.. and getting the job done gets u a rin
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by Plaxico Burress on Apr 2, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
thats ok
offense wins games defense wins championships :)
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by Plaxico Burress on Apr 2, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
plus i watch a ton of football
and living in jersey i see a lot of eagles games.. actually watched u guys a bunch this year
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by Plaxico Burress on Apr 2, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
i do hate the eagles you are correct
but i always give credit where credit is due.. i have no issues with saying the eagles and their players r good. i jus dont think kolb is better then mcnabb or the team will be any better off without mcnabb
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by Plaxico Burress on Apr 2, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
is kolb doesnt even compare to Ryan and Flacco.
Doesn’t he? maybe not if they were coming out of college at the same time but he’s had 3 years behind McNabb holds some pretty decent NFL records I think it’s fair to compare them.
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makes sense
look what 3 years behind Favre did for Rodgers. i hope your wrong haha but you may not be
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by Plaxico Burress on Apr 2, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
matt ryan had michael turner killing it that year and the ravens had a stout running game and one of the games best defenses. i can’t see andy reids team being a top-5 rushing team, like, ever and our defense looks to be on the rebuild. i’m not anti-kolb, i just don’t think that he will have the support system that those other two guys benefitted from. Especially flacco..dude has one of the best rushing attacks AND one of the best defenses in the league. that first year, he only had to attempt about 12 passes a game
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Makes Sense to me
Points to the Raiders with that corner coming
if so...
i just hope we can afford him with the rest of our young talent…his contract is ginormous.
by 5 plus 10 equals 6 on Apr 2, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
i really believe that this points directly at McNabb being moved very soon. I also think that it shows that the actual value vs. the value that we put on our favorite players, is not going to be synonymous. My guess is that McNabb is traded in the coming week or so, and there will be a firestorm on here because it wont yield us what we think it should.
If Brown being traded isnt a sign of the continued youth movement, then i dont know what is.
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by GreenInBaltimore on Apr 2, 2010 1:55 PM EDT reply actions
This is making me sick
We went from an off season where we could have addressed our problems in the draft as is, to an off season where we’ve created more harm than good…ill see it when i believe it in the draft, but this seems to be the start our plunge into “rebuilding”
The Eagles dont ever really rebuild. I think that calling it a Youth Movement would be the most accurate. This team is still built to win. Theres just way too much offensive talent.
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by GreenInBaltimore on Apr 2, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I see what you are saying
But dumping our best corner to me at this time makes no sense…we have larger issues to address, and now we just added to the list…yeah our offensive weapons are top notch, but we have huge concerns on D that we have yet to address, and now this is something else to fix…i see the only redemption for this in a Nnamdi Asomugha for DNabb trade….however, if they are wrong about Kolb, were fcked.
Well this is depressing.
Unless we get Nnamdi, I’m not sure how well this will work out. Even if we get Berry the trio of Jackson/Hobbs/Hanson doesn’t inspire me opposite Samuel. Jackson probably gets that nod right? Oy vey. A top tier corner would be nice and maybe that’s the move, but god forgive us if we whiff on the pick. I rarely doubt this FO and Reid anymore with personnel decisions, but there better something big waiting because this… this isn’t going to cut it for a secondary.
I will say I’m not surprised we traded Brown, but I thought he’d be a draft day trade, not a 4th and 5th….
I think we just need to calm down some. Saying we got robbed by the Browns?Please. I loved Sheldon Brown but lets face it he is on the wrong side of 30 and he wants more money.It might not have been good enough compensation but we can use this picks for some trades or draft a few diamonds in the dirt
FLY EAGLES FLY ON THE WAY TO VICTORY
Awesome Off Season
Dump Westbrook—pick up CFL RoY prospect to help Shady….highly questionable
Dump shitty DE to pick up Tapp, maybe, but still questionable
Dump current LBs, pick up garbage and nothing else
Dump best CB, for 3/4th rounders….WTF
Dump shithead (but once great) O Lineman, get nothing
I would be willing to bet that out of all of our 10 draft picks, we get 3 that stay in the league more than 3 years, maybe one outstanding Pro Bowler
Are all these trades for picks worth it? the draft this year is “deep”—but is there really such a huge dispartity between this year and others??? do we get magic beans too? since when has a draft pick meant guarenteed success? Mike Mamula anyone?
I'm a little nervous about this set up
Reid made a young roster at the beginning of his tenure and has continually brought in young talent to keep this team competitive. We have never lost so much leadership, can Cole and Bradley Djax and Celek really make up for this? I dont know but the eagles are trying to prevent the eagles from hitting that wall that crushed the Bucs and Rams after there dominant eras when their players aged and they fell to the nfl floor. I’m holding my breath until after this draft.
Qb -Kolb
RB -McCoy
FB -Weaver
WR -Djax Maclin Avant
TE -Celek Ingram
OL-Peters Herremans ? Andrews/? Justice
DT -Patterson Bunkley
DE -Cole Tapp
LB -Bradley Jordan Fouku/?
CB -Asante Jackson/Macho/?
SS – Mikell
FS -Demps/Macho/Jackson/?
?=a player not on roster
This team looks so unfamiliar but I’m going to support them no matter what!
Should it?!
Should it really?
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by sports00fan00 on Apr 2, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
joking aside
he’s our starter until he’s no longer wearing eagles green
Team McNabb
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RIP JJ
by sports00fan00 on Apr 2, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Our d-line should be fine. Our linebackers will be fine if they play like they did in 08. If they don’t, we might be boned. The secondary is obviously the biggest question.
If Marlin Jackson plays well, he could cover up a little bit for the loss of Sheldon. I don’t think we’re necessarily going to be terrible next year, but there’s nothing inspiring confidence, either.
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Our D was a mess before we entered the offseason
And now it looks like swiss cheese…I think we need another QB, lets trade Asante for one
What honestly is the best
we can hope for from the draft?
A first round starter
2-4 early round position competitors?
I just don’t see the draft fixing so much uncertainty
Since when
has a draft pick equaled immediate results? Immediate fixes? 4/5 rounders=Brown…terrible mistake
Dick Jauron got immediate results from guys in Buffalo. Maybe he can work the same magic here.
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Fair Enough
I am (UUUGG) going to have faith that we are going to work on addressing these issues, but we continue to dig ourselve deeper in this offseason…and Dick may have immediate results, but 4/5 rounders statistically speaking, arent worth a guy like Brown
Don’t think of it as what Brown meant to us in the past, think of it as what he would be worth to us in the future. That’s all he might be worth.
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We have 5ish holes to fill
2 on the OL and a CB FS and maybe a LB, Assuming we can fix 2 of those before the draft with trades I think we’ll be okay.
We don’t have 2 holes on the OL to fill.
Our starting center is Nick Cole or Mike McGlynn until further notice. Our starting guard is expected to be Stacy Andrews.
I don’t think it’s that far of a stretch to think that Nick Cole and Stacy Andrews will play at (the very least) acceptably next year.
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We have more than 5 holes
No senior RBs
Weak OL
CB-now
LB Core
Safeties
The last thing we needed to do was get rid of a Veteran D guy…the experience they impart is worth the price tag
Teams make due without veteran RB and Bell helps
but the rest we are in agreement on so 5 holes maybe 6
and those are self inflicted wounds
generally you try to get better without ripping your d to shreds…you can get by with young guys in teh backfield, but you cant descimate your D and feel good
Leonard Weaver is a FB
Never did /cant do what Westbrook can…not sure Bell is the answer, but im not sure anything we did this off season actually addressed any of our issues…its terrible to think, but all these moves are not addition by subtraction, more like subtraction by subtraction…i thought we were supposed to get better…now i feel confused about how we are going to do next year
meh FB/RB same difference. He’s a veteran player. Westbrook can’t do what Westbrook could.
RB is the easiest plug and play position in the NFL. It’s why young players are always showing up out of no where.
To me No Senior RBs is a huge plus.
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by Whodie126 on Apr 2, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wanna be like the Redskins! Now that they have Clinton Portis, Larry Johnson, and Willie Parker, they have 3 senior RBs!
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haha
not saying that…RB is not a huge concern in my eyes, but i hope shady learned the ropes last year…
CB -Asante Jackson/Macho/?
Joselio Hanson will start opposite of Asante.
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Joselio's
play was pitiful towards the end of the year, I hope to god they don’t give him the #2 spot!
Well he’s our 3rd highest paid CB now (Elis Hobbs doesn’t really count does he?) He’s easily the best option for the position.
There is a reason Macho Harris was moved to FS … he can’t cover. Marlin Jackson is possible for sure but I believe we brought him here to compete for the starting FS job. I could be wrong.
I also think we draft a CB and high.
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Maybe
The Eagles have a trade set up for McNabb to Oakland that is a complete rip off that they felt sorry and wanted to give back to a struggling team (that isn’t moronic)?
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I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
RIP JJ
we'll just have to wait
to see what happens in the draft and the results of the picks/trades they are used in.. although we would have all liked a higher pick, we should all know that there can definitely be successful picks in the later rounds, as our roster now includes: Brent Celek, Trent Cole, Todd Herremans, Jason Avant, and MJG. Even last year people were excited about our later picks, even if they didn’t pan out for us yet (Brandon Gibson, Cornelius Ingram) and many people this year see Fokou as much improved.
What if
we use the fourth or fifth we just got for a trade for Sims the guard from the hawks, will the trade be more favorable then?
HATE IT
I need to find a new football team, the Eagles blow…
Whoever said it doesn't matter whether you win or lose, probably lost.
DUDE
you are one of 5 people on here that i know will always contribute…i never comment, but i always look for your comments…either you are a pro blogger, or your work productivity hovers around 0…keeps me entertained, as i hover around the 0 mark too…
I’m a minor league blogger. I’m hoping to be picked up by the Trenton Typists.
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haha
for all your posts, i would hope you get compensated somehow
I’ve been at home a lot the last few months. I hope that trend doesn’t continue forever…
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You deserve the money way more than Banner.
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
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fan
or frontrunner
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RIP JJ
by sports00fan00 on Apr 2, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
and he lives in california
BOSTON red sox, BOSTON bruins, PHILADELPHIA eagles, MICHIGAN wolverines, CLEVELAND Cavaliers. and Anderson Silva, who’s from Brazil.
Ok, let’s make an attempt to explain this.
Born in Boston (being 2 boston teams), went to boarding school in Southeast PA or South Jersey, (but why not the patriots, eagles lost to pats his sophmore year, since he’s 22 they had 3 rings). Went to Michigan for college, took spring break or study abroad to Brazil, & got his first job in Cleveland area, before he moved to California with his girlfriend.
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RIP JJ
by sports00fan00 on Apr 2, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
If McNabb gets traded, I’m going to kick the ass of anyone who acts surprised.
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HUH?
McNabb is getting traded? hahaha, when pigs fly—(Im in Iraq, and its the talk of the town)
Kyle Wilson yes … Joe Haden just feels like trouble. If you’ve got Deion in your corner I’m skeptical.
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i just dont get
how we can depend on draft picks to fill our holes immediately…i see the need for rookies, but not ones that have to come in and fill voids…too much pressure, too many questions
Special Teams
And preseason games…are for rookies…special cases get the starts…but thats a 1 in 10 thing…if we are looking to the draft to fill several spots…were fcked
Risks aside
you need to stop being such a pessimist, think positively its going to happen one way or the other
After
shedding all of the veterans and if McNabb leaves I want to see our salary figures to see if we are below the previous league minimum!!
Would anyone be surprised if we took two CBs early like we did the year we took Brown and Lito?
Asante isn’t getting any younger and it doesn’t hurt to have a backup plan in case one isn’t as good as we think.
Or maybe we’re going for a revolution in the secondary and Dick Jauron wants all new youngens.
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ive said this....
countless times over the past couple month or so….this looks like it will be one of those drafts all overa again, 2 cbs in the 1st/2nd. Only i expected them to learn behind brown not replace him.
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Apr 2, 2010 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
You can’t possibly be implying that the Eagles don’t understand the value of a corner back?
Also, you can’t possibly be implying that a FB was the missing piece in 2008.
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Any word
If the 4th and 5th round picks specifically are? The Browns had a high 4th rounder and a relatively high 5th rounder among their 3 picks.
to me
it doesnt matter…you go to the draft to add depth…not to fill holes
only if
we are using these in a combo deal to get an experienced young CB—theres no way youd feel confident putting a rookie out there as a starter
Really? championship teams are built in the draft … you are misinformed my friend.
They call me The Professor.
i get that
but again, you groom these guys, not expect them to step in and compete at the highest levels immediately
depending on the player yes … it’s not unfair to believe a top tier CB like a Haden or Wilson couldn’t step in and play right away.
Let us not forget Jack Ikegwuonu still needs a job … so there’s still hope for JIBTA.
They call me The Professor.
But not a 105 or a 137
which leads me to this—-this offseason was a disaster…shitty draft picks in a “deep” draft year (ps—is the disparity between this year and others THAT BIG?) hardly equate to immediate results—-we need a proven CB, young one…NA for DM, fck Al Davis…weve already run McNabb out of town, lets get something for him…looking forward to seeing the Kolb haters after 5 games…i hope he does a “belt off, slap the ass” touchdown dance like our former superstar QB before McNabb
from pe.com
a fourth-round draft choice (105th overall) and a fifth-round draft choice (137th overall) in 2010.
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RIP JJ
so 9th pick in rounds 4 & 5
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RIP JJ
by sports00fan00 on Apr 2, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think this is likely, but...
What if McNabb was traded to the 49ers for CB Shawntae Spencer? (Besides the Shawntae – Asante CB team that would create)
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Not just trade McNabb
And enter whatever the Eagles want to call it but it will be a ‘rebuilding year’ where they have Kolb at QB, a bunch of new starters on defense, and a season of 8-10 wins with a possible WC appearance.
our offense is still potent if mcnabb is on the team. who knows what you have if kolb is given the job. everyone is hopeful, but truth is, you have a qb with 2 starts in 3 seasons, taking snaps from a guy who is at best, an adequete center. he then proceeds to either A) hand the ball off to a 2nd year player who we think could be pretty good. unfortuanately there is a former under-acheiver(who just got paid…kinda scares me), a big question mark, a top-shelf reserve, a pretty good left guard and a sometimes great sometimes horrible left tackle. oh and tight ends who can’t block. this is not that big a deal because it rarely happens anyway. the more common option is option B) the young qb is asked to throw us to victory. we have 3 really good receivers and a good tight end but again, can we stop the cowboys from killing kolb? how about any of the other top defenses. tough question huh? me, i’m not thrilled with half of the offensive line. it’ll be like last year, we can beat the bad teams but we’ll lose to the good ones…and we got a tough schedule. not trying to be a downer, that’s just how i see it
and what happens if...
our QB of the future goes down? Vicks got the team? with all these offseason moves, if i was McNabb id be asking to go to the Raiders
Maybe
But besides Brown who did they really get rid of this offseason so far that was an important contributor? Maybe you can argue ’Spoon & Howard but that is a reach.
I will agree that they really haven’t done much to upgrade at any single position so far this offseason and a defense which struggled & was mediocre has largely lost even more pieces. Tapp might be a useful LDE but counting on Jackson seems like a real stretch and they still have issues at several positions on the defense-side of the ball.
The thing that scares me is
you can fill a team with talent (washinton redskins) and they can still suck! The team needs chemistry and while our offense will be okay our defense scares me.
Exactly
I think experienced players are more necessary on D…they need to groom their replacements, not have new guys filling these holes…off-season—-offensive got better unnecessarily…and the d got way more question marks
The Redskins aren’t filled with talent, though. They had a lot of talent on defense, and their defense was very good. Their offense sucked. They had some names like Portis and Chris Samuels, but those guys were way past their primes. Most of their other starters were either very young or mediocre. Also, the price they pay for all that big name, big money talent is that they have very little depth, so, when they have injuries (almost a guarantee in the NFL), the replacement players blow.
by zfg on Apr 2, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
We are fucked.
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
everyone is overlooking the true problem with this trade. chris gocong. how could we let this monster go? over three years…hahaahaa…i couldn’t even finish typing this
Goodbye Sheldon.
600 posts later….
Not even going to talk about Gogcong, but Sheldon, he was a warrior that barely missed a single game for us in the 8 or so years he was here. Is that commendable, yes, does it win a Super Bowl… no.
It’s Super Bowl 45 and we have yet to get our piece of the legacy. Trading Sheldon gives us a 4th and 5th pick, two opportunities to find a great player. Sheldon was ALWAYS the number 2 corner here, except when Asante or Lito were/are hurt, which is and was rather often. The fact that Brown was always there was awesome, just wish he was a little better player. Last year was his best “hands” year, but I don’t expect that trend to continue and I think this was a good trade. I completely expect the Birds to bring in somebody at corner. Logic would state they are freeing up money for a McNabb deal.
I’ll be rooting for ya Sheldon, unless you go up against my beloved green machine, then your &$%*ed.
official Eagles calendar...
must be a curse. Sheldon Brown is the featured player for April. The month barely starts and he’s gone. Shawn Andrews was March, and of couse, McNabb was January. I don’t even want to check who’s featured in the coming months.
Eagles Fans: I give you the man behind the trade:
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Should we
all drink the Purple Kool Aid? do i need to pop on my white nike sneakers?
I like it
We get rid of a disgruntled CB, and get some more picks. Brown is on his way out, and Gocong was okay, but we could never really find a good use for him. His more a pass rushing specialist anyway.
Hopefully with more picks we can move up, and its less likely we’ll trade McNabb.
Reid- Best Coach in Eagles History
McNabb- Best QB in Eagles History
This is the year
Random thoughts going through my head
Maybe Holmgren (because he’s really in charge in Cleveland, not Mangini) thought Gocong could learn from playing on the same team as Scott Fujita? Or maybe he saw him and Hall as interchangeable?
Also, maybe the Browns wanted to have a solid corner to play until whatever guys they may draft can come into their own?
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Awesome tribute to an awesome Eagle. Those are the breaks if you’re in the 30+ club. No Country for Old Eagles. As much as I love Sheldon, I hope he does what Vincent/Taylor did, and not what B Dawk did. Not that I wish him bad luck, I just don’t want to see what our secondary is missing.
Good Luck, SB!!
Looking Mean in Kelly Green
Man thats awsome. I can’t believe we had BDawk and THAT playing together in the same backfield for so long. Damn.
Dedication without talent is a daydream. Talent without dedication is a nightmare.
Amen
I actually own a #20 and a #24 jersey in midnight green. And a #20 in kelly green (Andre Waters)
Hmmm, I think I may post a “how many jerseys do you own” fanshot in a couple of days. Should be interesting.
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by goodfella46er on Apr 2, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Good idea yeah
I got a 5 and 20.
Dedication without talent is a daydream. Talent without dedication is a nightmare.
jerseys
mcnabb 3, westbrook 3, jackson 3, mccoy 1 signed, maclin 1, samuel 1, dawkins 1. throwbacks= cunningham 2, white 2, custom with my name 1
"Bleed green for life my nocos"
next on my list
celek, cole, weaver, bradley, and maybe avant, and whichever rookies are available for sale
"Bleed green for life my nocos"
holy shit!
Do you do this for a living? Or are you just a super fan?
Looking Mean in Kelly Green
by goodfella46er on Apr 2, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
my favorites are the white jerseys
They look good but are hard to keep clean.
"Bleed green for life my nocos"
Yeah those are pretty sweet. Hell – I like them all.
Looking Mean in Kelly Green
by goodfella46er on Apr 2, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
true
i mix it up a lot during the week. I love wearing deseans jerseys on sundays
"Bleed green for life my nocos"
i
essentially have all the same jerseys…got them in korea, straight off the black market, authentic, for 20 dollars. literally have 30+ jerseys…if youre a true fan, go to korea… i was in heaven…
but sheldon basically..
wanted to be traded for money.. well maybe not traded, and especially not to the browns, but he did want his money.
I hate to say it (or do i?)
But i guess I kinda told you so. Haha i’m joking but this is something that I completely expected and I am not disappointed with this trade. Brown wants more money. That is a big issue especially since he decided to publicly bitch about it last year. Who knows how far he would have taken it this year? I wouldn’t even be surprised if he personally told Andy that he wants a raise/trade or hes going to bitch again.
Brown is 31. He was injured plenty last year and had a very down season (for him). The injuries were nagging and who knows what effect they could have had on this season. Brown never had elite speed, so if his hamstring continues to get tweaked, then we would have seen him being burned many times this year (as he was last year). So you have a aging, disgruntled CB whose coming off a season plagued with nagging injuries and a decline in performance. Are you guys really surprised he was traded?
Now lets take a look at the value. Say what you want, but the Cromartie deal set the bar for compensation for a CB. He was traded for a 3rd and he was a probowl CB, who led the league in INT’s. He is also VERY YOUNG.
Brown didn’t make the Probowl (not initially anyways), is a lot older, and is coming off a declined season. A 4th and a 5th is plenty compensation for him, a very early 4th and 5th, which essentially is almost equal in value to a mid-late third.
Gocong for Alex Hall is fine. Gocong wasn’t good in our system, and we just added some depth to the LB’s, especially to the strong side where we don’t even have a clear starter yet.
Come on guys, we’ll be fine. We have plenty of questions to answer but I don’t think the FO stops here. No one should be expecting Hobbs to start next season. We’ll either pick someone up in the draft very early (Kyle Wilson?) or make a trade.
WTF IS THIS SHIT?!?!
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I don't know what it is about your face,
[holds up fist]
but I just wanna deliver one of these right in your suck hole.
5-11
Welcome to the Kolb Era. The salary dump is in full swing and so is the rebuilding. Hopefully some of these later round draft picks will yield players who’ll be ready to contribute in a few years.
If my mother put on a helmet and shoulder pads and a uniform that wasn't the same as the one I was wearing, I'd run over her if she was in my way. And I love my mother. - Bo Jackson
i still don't see a 5-11 season
with the offense numbers we can put up.
Yeah, no way we only go 5-11.
I don't know what it is about your face,
[holds up fist]
but I just wanna deliver one of these right in your suck hole.
Right
Defense doesn’t matter.
INTs to the opposition don’t matter.
The only thing that matters is trading McNabb. Championship!
Or not.
If my mother put on a helmet and shoulder pads and a uniform that wasn't the same as the one I was wearing, I'd run over her if she was in my way. And I love my mother. - Bo Jackson
Very good summary
You nailed it right on the head with that great analysis.
how is getting rid of Gocong and Brown a salary dump they didn’t make anything. Sheldon would have made under 3 mil this year.
They call me The Professor.
To keep Sheldon Brown and resolve his contract situation they would have had to pay him. Which they are obviously not prepared to do.
If my mother put on a helmet and shoulder pads and a uniform that wasn't the same as the one I was wearing, I'd run over her if she was in my way. And I love my mother. - Bo Jackson
Couple of thoughts
1. Lots of people flipped out when the Eagles let Bobby Taylor back in ’03. Turned out the Eagles were pretty much dead on and Taylor was done after just 1 season in Seattle. Not saying that Brown will be done after 1 year. Eagles might just think Brown has maybe 1 year more as a starter at CB and got what they could.
2. You still have to see what the Eagles end up doing but Howie Roseman was trying to sell that Hobbs & Hanson (to a lesser degree) as ‘very capable’ replacements? Please. Hobbs was never that good of a CB in NE and is coming off a serious injury to boot. No idea how he will look until at least a few weeks in training camp. As for Hanson, no way he has the tools to start at CB in the NFL. This isn’t a young player in the fold in Sheppard/Brown how has been groomed to take over. This kind of stuff pisses off Eagles’ fans and I can understand why.
3. It is really hard to see how this move improves the team the Eagles will put on the field next year. Especially the one on defense. Even Banner/Roseman shouldn’t play that card.
4. This makes the McNabb deal almost inevitable now unless they get blown away for a deal for Kolb.
5. It wouldn’t surprise me one bit if the Eagles turn around to take some the picks they have acquired and pick up 1-2 players like Tapp (experienced veterans who are still on the younger side and can give the Eagles 3-4 years of contributions).
Reload
looks like were gunning hard for a 2013 superbowl run, i hope that end of the world bullshit doesn’t mess it up
by Philly20WeaponX on Apr 2, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
How can people be bad-mouthing Roseman?
He just got into a job and anybody who has remotely followed this team knows that Reid/Banner have more input on these moves than Roseman. Damn.
he annoys me because of his post-trade comments...
as you said, he is new. so, why in the world is he commenting on the level of professionalism that gocong and brown showed on and off the field? how would he know? it just goes to show that the front office is a group of of public relations enforcers who will happily lie through their teeth in an attempt to pleaae philly fans. not working.
How would he know?
Because he’s obviously been following football throughout his life. He didn’t get an interview and then look up in a dictionary what NFL stands for. And be sure the Eagles didn’t just randomly pick up a lawyer to be the GM. I wouldn’t be surprised if they had been talking to him for months, maybe years. Plus thats what he has to say. Its just the political schpeal every GM has to say when you trade a long term player.
Plus he obviously got input from Reid and Co. Are you really going to bash for saying that Brown was a professional? Wow.
Brown
He played hard & hut here but yet again he was more than happy to leave because it meant he got paid. Money is the most important factor to players 95% of the time. Everything else is secondary.
Brown was the man. I feel that the addition of Asante hurt Brown, before he wanted to make stops, then it seemed he was in a competition with Asante for INTs. Needless to say, he wasn’t as good at it as Asante, and it hurt the best part of his game.
How many times did Brown get beat trying to get a INT? That shit never happened before.
His play this year will not be missed. Maybe if he wouldn’t have been sooo burned he would have stayed.
Also, is it me or are the Eagles not getting a good as a deal with all those really long term deals as they first thought? Think about it… Brown, R.Brown, Lito, TO, Andrews, they all didn’t seem as happy with those deals than at first. Patterson is the only one that seems to have worked out that I can think of.
What?
Brown was the best contract ever. They paid him pennies for the caliber of player he was. Hanson paid more money then him!
But he was pissed about it.
It was a good deal for the Eagles, your right.
I am talking more of the majority of those players were flops and not worth it.
Well Lito was an all-pro
and was very good for us for a few seasons. Can’t argue Reggie Brown. TO was also underpaid and it’s tough to predict something like his situation occurring. But I think he was worth a big contract in his prime. And same thing with Andrews (I assume Shawn). He was a stud when he was on the field, but tough to predict injuries and getting your phelps on.
I don’t feel like doing a % of successes with those long contracts, but I just was thinking maybe they didn’t get what they would have hoped for. Some players faded out, some busted, some busted themselves out. Overall, in my mind those young core player contracts that they were giving out in the middle of the decade weren’t as good as they might have first initially have thought.
Without going through everyone of their contracts and production.
This must mean...
Mc Nabb to the Riders for Nnamdi Asomugha
Use our draft picks for OL and OLB
Fresh, Fresher, Freshest, Freshershest
Love Sheldon Brown and will miss him
but we really couldn’t have gotten more for him.
"He wasn't an astronaut, he was a tv comedian! And he was just using space travel as a metaphor for beating his wife!"
Regardless of whether we got "fair value"...
Does this trade actually help us win this year? Seems pretty clear to me it doesnt, and I dont think the picks we got are going to generate overly great players both now and in the future.
I dont see the point in trading a pretty good but declining corner for 2 guys that will likely end up being backups in the NFL.
It definitely doesn't help us win this year.
We’re just really going all out with the “getting younger” idea I guess.
"He wasn't an astronaut, he was a tv comedian! And he was just using space travel as a metaphor for beating his wife!"
Perfect timing on Brown trade
This draft is being called the deepest draft in a decade. Stock piling draft picks is essential. Ray Didinger was on DNL tonight and broke down Browns year and stated he was average at best. Browns 31, lost a step, wanted a new contract, was physically breaking down and beat like a drum down the stretch. What did you want a number 1 pick for him? lol Other teams look at the same film. Youth youth youth. Draft picks! When all is said and done the avg age of this team will be 25. Just need to draft well. Didinger said thats why they brought that draft guru in to help out this year.
Expect Big Trade for CB
There is no way the Eagles trade Brown without having a deal set for a starting CB. The Eagles always have a plan, It may not always work out, but there is always a plan, They are not going into the draft hoping to get there starting CB. This tells me McNabb is going to Oakland for the 2nd best CB in the NFL (Revis is #1), Asumugha from Oakland. Not sure if Samuels will be moved in this deal because Ive heard Samuels flat out refused to press cover and this infuriated McDermitt. So Samuels and McNabb to Oakland for Asumugha and 2nd or 3rd round pick.
Samuel is not on the trade block
at all. Its been reported. Brown was the one on the trade block.
- Asomugha is not coming here even if Eagles did trade McNabb to the Raiders. Why would the Eagles at this point take on an additional contract that is even more money than McNabb and only have that player for potentially one year (on a team that isn’t going to compete for a SB next year).
- Why would you trade Samuels (who is your best defensive player now besides Cole) for essentially a 3rd round pick when you have no young player ready to take over Brown’s spot let alone Samuel’s.
Reading between the lines
- Eagles thought they might be able to make a SB run this year and the complete beatdowns by Dallas dashed those thoughts. This is a team that is entering a ‘rebuilding phase’ that will be official when they move McNabb.
- These moves were also about money. Yeah it is a chance to get draft picks and clear out contracts.
- At this point, the Eagles are going to be one of the youngest teams in the league next year especially if they move McNabb and cut Rocca. Youth is a good thing but I have to wonder just how much is too much. Who are the locker room leaders going to be next year? Avant/Weaver on offense? Mikell/Cole on defense?
Samuel is not on the trade block?
The Eagles value 4 positions. CB, LT, QB and DE. Of course they wouldnt bring Asomugha in here for 1 year it would be a long term contract. Your point about Samuels being the 2nd best player on this defense speaks volumes. He gets 9 ints a year, gives up 9 tds gives up an extra 500 yds a year on missed tackles. Give me 4 ints a year and 5 tds given up and 100 yards on missed tackles.
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