Report: Eagles close to sending Sheldon Brown & Chris Gocong to Browns
by JasonB on Apr 2, 2010 11:04 AM EDT
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PrintClark Judge of CBS sports is reporting that the Eagles are on the verge of trading CB Sheldon Brown and LB Chris Gocong to the Cleveland Browns.
The Philadelphia Eagles are close to completing a deal, sources said, that would send disgruntled cornerback Sheldon Brown and linebacker Chris Gocong to Cleveland in exchange for one of two packages -- either a draft pick and player or two draft picks and a backup. The deal, which was expected to have been completed by now, is contingent on Brown gaining a new contract.
Judge says that as this point the only obstacle is a new deal for Sheldon Brown.
Sheldon Brown is among the few guys on this team that was on the roster for the 2004 Super Bowl run and he'd be yet another significant vet shipped out in the past two years. I suppose I'd be more bummed about losing one of my favorite Eagles, but in this past year or so it's become so common for these guys to leave that I suppose we're getting somewhat numb to it.
Either way, if this does happen we can only hope the Eagles have a plan for what they want to do at corner... because by getting rid of Sheldon Brown they're removing one of the best pieces(arguably the best) from an already thin secondary.
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Holy crap.
I wonder what direction this team is going in.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
Us or the browns?
We are getting younger/fixing holes in our defense
Browns are getting help at olb and finally a corner that can maybe match up on homes-ochocinco-mason.
Sounds win-win to me.
My research suggests middle line back DQ could be involved. But i’d still prefer to have their guard eric steinbach.
by corn on the kolb on Apr 2, 2010 11:13 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
sorry friend
i don’t see how getting rid of sheldon is fixing holes in our defense. please explain?
Declining db who will not accept the correct offer for his current status (2 year deal for low gaurenteed money, he is dealing with injuries on a young team with many gaping holes and large contracts to fill).
So, he either plays 1 year more and walks for nothing, or we trade him and get value and start searching for fixes/replacement now. Sound familiar?
Eagles letting go of a player on the decline a year too early should sound familiar.
And, yes. My research conducted on my android phone sitting on my futon. It doesn’t take rocket science to figure the browns have little to offer that fits our needs.
by corn on the kolb on Apr 2, 2010 12:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It's still creating a hole on the defense ...
… even if it’s solving a problem that’s likely to fester.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
I think I'm about to face the facts
I dont see the Playoffs happening next year. Team is going to be too young.
Young but talented. JETS are another young, talented team. And we definitely improved our coaching staff. Am I crazy to be excited about Dick Jauron still?
You're definitely not crazy
I think he is gonna make a bigger impact than a lot of people think. I also think that Bary Rubin is gonna make a big difference in the weight room too.
"ARE YOU GONNA BUST SOMEBODY IN THEY MOUTH!?!?! CUZ IMA DO THAT!!!" - Brian Dawkins
Playoffs? Surely you jest.
Fast forward one calendar year from now—If banner and the fatman don’t make some MAJOR improvements to the defense for 2010, we’re going to be here discussing whether we should draft Cameron Heyward or Patrick Peterson with our #3 pick in the 2011 draft.
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
Yes, we need major improvements to our defense. Not one position, but several. Why not get several picks now and have the cash to sign the ones that pan out?
by corn on the kolb on Apr 2, 2010 12:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Sheldon is my favorite player. FML.
Eric Wright is a promising young CB. If he’s involved, I start to feel a little better. Some high picks (3rd and 4th?) would help ease the pain too. I mentioned LB Eric Barton on another post, too.
I'm really trying to figure out what we would get in return
I’d say Gocong is worth a 3rd at most and I don’t know what we would get for Sheldon. I was over at the Browns blog to see what they were saying and some of the members are agreeing that D’qwell Jackson might be part of the deal. He was really good his first 3 years including 154 tackles 2 years ago. Either way this is an interesting deal considering the Browns have 12 draft picks including 4 in the 3rd. Lets see what happens.
"ARE YOU GONNA BUST SOMEBODY IN THEY MOUTH!?!?! CUZ IMA DO THAT!!!" - Brian Dawkins
I don’t like it at all. Sheldon Brown is a great cover corner, a great leader, and a great tackler (one of the few on our undersized, less than physical defense). he’s under contract…even if he is unhappy with it he had arguably his best season last year while being “disgruntled”. He played hurt all season and exemplifies toughness on a defense that again, lacked toughness last year. and Who are we going to replace him with? A CB/S Hybrid coming off an ACL injury that may or may not be ready to go next season? we saw how well Stacy Andrews looked coming off an ACL injury last season…by shipping out Brown all we’re doing is weakening a defense that was supposed to be the focus this off-season. We’re just creating yet another hole we need to fill.
and Gocong? who replaces him? Moses Facemask is an allright special teamer but he was good for atleast two facemask/hands to the face penalties per game when he started last year. Gaither’s not a terrible option but he’s not necessarily a long term solution either.
The only way this trade works is if the Browns send us some ridiculous package in return, which won’t happen now that Holmgren and Heckert are running the show there.
This team is becoming more and more frustrating each season. We keep saying “they have a plan! have faith the Eagles FO knows what its doing!”. That is a valid statement, but for how much longer? we missed the playoffs in ’07, were lucky to make them in ’08, and got embarassed in the first round in ’09. How much longer do we keep our blind faith in the powers that be? my patience is wearing thin
by njh3293 on Apr 2, 2010 11:15 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
About your last line...
Doesn’t it seem like the Eagles are reacting to how the last few seasons have ended? You could say that they’re getting rid of the core that couldn’t win. It’s something to consider at least.
A fair point to make, but is Sheldon Brown the reason we lost to Dallas? No…we lost because our defense got physically beat down and our interior offensive line could not touch Wade Phillips’ 3-4. How is shipping out one of the best players on our defense going to fix this problem?
I suppose the Eagles really are in rebuilding mode now and its time to accept it. My overall point though is that the Honeymoon that the FO earned after such a great span from ‘00-’04 is beginning to end. I don’t want to jump on the “Joe Banner and Reid Suck! The eagles are cheap!” train, but the team really hasn’t been the same ever since the superbowl
If you do want to jump on that train...
I promise to continue to be the engineer!
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
I agree with JasonB
I think all the moves we made pre and mid-season last year showed that we tried to give the core of our team every opportunity to have a Superbowl team. But we didnt do it, we choked at the end of the season (twice), so now I think FO has decided, ok, if we’re going to make significant key changes, lets do it all.
Yeah, this core had its shots ...
… Never was it more clear to me than re-watching the SB on NFL Network the other week.
And quite honestly, both the Cardinals and Steelers were beatable once we got into the final four that year.
It’s a tough thing to come to grips with. They were a great bunch … but it’s been over since Dawk/Runyan/Thomas left, and we’ve already accepted that Westbrook is done. These are the final goodbyes.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
not that this makes it ok, but there is a big difference between a 335 lbs Offensive Lineman coming of ACL injury and a 200 lbs. corner
There surely is.
200 lb. defensive backs have to stop on a dime, move great distances laterally and plant, pivot and accelerate THEN sprint 20-50 yards downfield. Since the ACL is responsible for stability in the knee, this is a much graver injury for a DB.
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
I never had the "blind faith" in these powers that be.
This Sheldon trade is ridiculous unless we get Cleveland’s #7—which we won’t.
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
Oh please, he’s not worth anything close to that.
Brown is probably worth a 3rd. Hopefully they can get more than that for both combined.
What?
A third? Heckert rapes banner and the gang if that goes down and the Eagles only get a 3.
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
Sorry, but I think Eagles fans and the hardcore sports nerds are the only people who recognize Brown as one of the top corners. The rest of the fans and the NFL teams see a 31+ year old corner with hamstring issues who wants a long term deal, and didn’t make the Pro Bowl over his starting opposite. We know that that’s bullshit, but most people don’t. And Heckert’s not going to give his old team a fair shake. He got out of Philadelphia because he wanted more control. He won’t give in to Roseman. Unless our fears are misplaced and he is immensely stupid.
It pisses me off sometimes when I hear people on the street claim that Asante Samuel is our defensive leader/captain, but it is what it is. I could try to change that perception, but when do Eagles fans ever change their perception? Just ask McNabb.
Three team deal that ends with Rob Sims in green? Wishful thinking, but give me my dreams.
by Tracer Bullet on Apr 2, 2010 11:19 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Personally I wish we had re-upped Sheldon (even though putatively we didn’t need to do so) and moved him to S. We need a sure handed tackler back there who also can play cover. He would have been a decent solution. He can hit and he can cover and his age would not have been such an issue as an erosion of his speed over the next three or four years would not have impacted his S play as much as perhaps it impacts CB play. Just saying.
I don’t know how I feel about this. I mean, our defense sucked last year, it makes no sense getting rid of one of the best cover corners in football. Granted, Sheldon had a down year and probably will continue to have down years. The Eagles are very good at acknowledging who is on the decline and moving them, I guess for me this is just different because Sheldon is my favorite player. Gocong can go, I could careless. And I guess without knowing who or what we might get in return it is hard to judge but if we go into next season with Samuel and Hobbs as our starting corners then that is concerning.
Guys, the eagles have a history of letting someone go a year too early rather than one too late. We all know this, and you’ll see it again next year when bdawk gets victimized all year and retires next year after a reoccuring injury.
I’m a fan of brown, but by not extending him last year, the writing on the wall. Look to the future, and what we’ll be working with. Instead of the past and what could’ve been.
by corn on the kolb on Apr 2, 2010 11:32 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I don’t understand this one. Unless the Eagles recieve Josh Cribbs which makes no sense due to Maclin and DJack in the mix at WR. The Browns don’t have alot of depth and what they can offer for Brown and Gocong does not equate to real value. A high draft pick for both would be sufficient. Perhaps if the Eagles trade the 3rd round pick to the browns with Gocong and Brown for the Browns 1st round pick.
Doing this for the Raider's Trade of Asomugha
Clearing space. I don’t think Asante is getting shipped in that deal, so if Brown was playing behind both Asante and Asomugha, he’d be really pissed.
True story.
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
It's wishful thinking though.
Asomugha and Asante? That’d be a nightmare for opposing offences.. I mean, that would mean Asante would have to learn to tackle..
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
I really do think people just don’t feel like reading the terms of Asomugha’s contract, or don’t understand the financial implications. That’s the only explanation I have for why people are so desperate for that to happen.
by ZorkNemesis on Apr 2, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If that is the official trade then Hackert just raped the Eagles. Alex Hall has done absolutely nothing in the NFL. So they traded a solid starting corner and a so so(at best) LB for a less then so so LB, and a 4th and 5th rounder? How exactly does this make the team better?
Do they think Bradley is going to play all 3 LB spots at the same time.
4th is what I saw some people project for Brown. I know that Eagles fans will hate this trade. They will hate the living daylights out of it.
Hate away, I won’t get in the way.
are you serious? bad trade. We give up two starters, one of them a top defensive player for mid-round picks and a back up? pathetic.
I know the importance of draft picks and what not…but 4th and 5th round picks are a crapshoot. we’d be vvveeery lucky if we picked up two starters with both of those picks
Wrong...
We’d be lucky to even get two average backups, let alone two starters.
And Andy, Alex M-A-C-K is a better player than Alex H-A-L-L.
I feel like Seattle did when they dealt Tapp.
by alcatraz0109 on Apr 2, 2010 12:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Asomugha
I don’t understand why his contract is such a big deal…can someone please explain?
Last I looked this is an uncapped year and we have cleared over $40m in salary if there would have been a cap.
16 mil this year and if they want to franchise him next year, if that is even an option then he has to be franchised at the QB level not the CB level as per his contract.
The Eagles have cleared I think they said 40 mil this year and 95 mil overall. Which I am fine with but they should use some of that money on getting stud defensive guys. I have yet to see them really fix any of their glaring holes yet with any of their moves.
Yeah, sorta waiting on the other shoe to drop
It just has to, doesn’t it? For this to all make sense.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
his contract is up after next year and he’ll demand the same/even more money than hes already worth. So we give up a kings ransom for “the best CB” in the game for either
a.) one year of him before he walks to another team
b.) being forced to pay him a ridiculous amount of money.
I'm okay with paying a ridiculous amount of not-my-money
for a ridiculous amount of production. Nnamdi is a game-changer … I’d be on board.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
They have to pay him the same amount as a franchise QB in 2011 (which is estimated at $20m) or he becomes a free agent.
Plus you act like there will never be a salary cap again, but once a new CBA is reached, that cap will come back (or else there likely won’t be a new CBA and no 2011 season). Teams have to gameplan for a potential salary cap in 2011, so they can’t actually just empty their entire wallet.
Finally, you should already know why the Eagles wouldn’t take on Asomugha’s contract: They didn’t sign Peppers, and they didn’t sign Kampman. They do not want to spend that kind of money.
Eagles now have 10 picks
1 (24)
2 (55)
3 (70)
3 (87)
4 (105) – from CLE
4 (121)
5 (137) – from CLE
6 (200)
7 (243)
7 (244)
Where did you find this
Let's get it Birds.
by homestar2281 on Apr 2, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
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