Santonio Holmes traded to Jets for 5th round pick
Santonio Holmes is only worth one round better than Reggie Brown?
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the Jets traded a 2010 fifth and the Buccaneers traded a 2011 sixth, that is a 2 round value difference.
Well when you think about it...
They’re basically paying a 5th rounder (in a deep draft) for 12 games of Holmes. He is suspended the first four games, and is in the last year of his contract.
Didn’t realize he was in the last year of his deal.
Could even be less than 12 games if this assault thing has legs.
Yea exactly
I’m sure all of those aspects diminished his value. Also, I read from a few places that the Steelers didn’t want to pay him at all. So they really had very little leverage to work out of (assuming they were actively shopping him).
I wouldn't have minded giving up a fifth for Holmes.
He’s pretty good.. You gotta admit. I don’t like him or his personality, but Maclin Jackson and Holmes? Defenses would be shitting their pants.
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
Eh
I understand what you’re saying. A 5th rounder isn’t exactly a big investment, especially when you have the # of picks that we have this year…BUT…I’d prefer to keep a trouble making personality out of the locker room dynamic at almost ANY cost!
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
Yeah, but..
The Eagles took a chance on Vick, I wouldn’t be surprised if they would have got Holmes.
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fair reply
that Vick thing still seems really uncharacteristic for us
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Vick HAD to be on his best behavior or he was done forever and a complete social pariah.(sp?) But Holmes is young and unless he’s punished severely he could make more mistakes. I don’t see us bringing in bad character guys.
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Where were the Cowboys on this?
They couldn’t give up their 4? Seriously?
I know they’re trying to “clean up their locker room,” but they missed a big opportunity on this one. Yay!
Yeah, that’s the abysmal trade that keeps on giving. They also still have to lock up Miles Austin long term, and that won’t be cheap – I’m sure Austin and his agent are looking at Roy Williams type dollars. Here’s to hoping those negotiations don’t go smoothly. I think the only thing that’s keeping the Cowboys from swallowing hard, sucking up the guaranteed money they owe RW, and cutting bait now is a little thing known as Jerry Jones’ ego.
But I can’t lie – Had they traded their 4 for Holmes, I’d be very bummed.
..I hate Jerry Jones..
..so much..
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it was flaming, flames, FLAMES… on the side of my face… heaving breaths, heaving…
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Reid- Best Coach in Eagles History
McNabb- Best QB in Eagles History
This is the year
..I'm lost.
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Its from the movie Clue
Sorry, kind of a small, but hilarious, film:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92IkddsjtAA
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I lol’d.
Nice throwback reference. And clue was huge back in the day
by corn on the kolb on Apr 12, 2010 5:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
lmao!
Eagle fans everywhere are STILL enjoying that trade…
by 92-74-99-96 on Apr 12, 2010 10:00 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
what sorta bothers me about that trade
is how well the ‘Boys actually absorbed it. A 1st, 3rd, and 6th is ENORMOUS for anyone, let alone a guy that couldn’t touch James Thrash’s #s as an Eagle, and one that makes Freddie Mitchell look solid.
But that was just ’08…I would have expected that to kick their asses…and instead they turned right around and kicked our asses
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
Cowboys supposedly
have interest in problem-child Dez Bryant. Bryant looks like a stud and I would be lying if I said I wasn’t nervous about him going to the Boys… but I would be happy to see them trade up in the 1st while ignoring their o-line.
I hope they mortgage away the draft for Dez. I hate Bryant anyway. I don't think he is
as good as any of the WR from last years draft.
I keep hearing how deep this draft is, but this draft appears slim in RB, WR, QB. I but appears loaded in CB, S, LB. Funny, those are the things we need :P.
In Kolb we trust
Yeah Bryant certainly has a lot of red flags to his name… none of them being legal or drug problems though and none of them being on-field problems. If he pans out, he has Andre Johnson potential. Hate to say it, but I think he’s better than all of the WRs in last years draft.
If somehow, some way, he falls to 24...
I wouldn’t have the slightest problem with the Eagles taking him, no matter how stacked we may be at WR.
by JimmyK on Apr 12, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'd be okay taking him.
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Haha, how do you know he would be the BPA available at 24? You can’t know that until our number is called. Let’s say McClain(due to his Crohn’s disease), Iupati, Kyle Wilson, McCourty, C.J. Spiller, Weatherspoon, Anthony Davis and Brandon Graham are all available at 24.
Do you still take a Brandon Marshall clone? A negative diva with huge character concerns, that can’t run routes and drops passes? ……I didn’t think so.
Jim Johnson(RIP). Brian Westbrook(36). Donovan Mcnabb(5). Brian Dawkins(20). Sheldon Brown(24). Jeremiah Trotter(54).
Thanks for the memories...
Dez Bryant > all of the above… Except maybe Davis, Spiller and McClain.
So yes, I’d still take him. For Bryant to fall to 24, a lot of those players you mentioned would have to be off the board.
And BTW… McCourty and Weatherspoon are barely 1st round picks… why you mentioned them in your list, I dont know.
But to clear things up… I wouldn’t be against taking Bryant IF he was the BPA. If we had the choice of Bryant or Wilson, Byrant or McClain, or Bryant or Graham, then yes I’d definitely have to think about it only because the defensive players would be right up there grade-wise and they’d fill a need at the same time. So, no it’s not a given that he’d be the BPA… but at 24, there’s no question it’d be a great value pick.
I mentioned McCourty and Weatherspoon because IMO, they would make a bigger positive impact on our team than Bryant will.
I wouldn’t be against taking Bryant IF he was the BPA
Makes much more sense.
Jim Johnson(RIP). Brian Westbrook(36). Donovan Mcnabb(5). Brian Dawkins(20). Sheldon Brown(24). Jeremiah Trotter(54).
Thanks for the memories...
That’s awful sketchy, though. I mean, how do you handle that? We’d almost be forced to trade one of the three at some point. Also, it gets to a point where you’re oversaturated with talent at a position and you can’t squeeze more productivity out of them (and it’s actually detrimental), and I think drafting Bryant would put us past that point.
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Yeah, obviously it would be a luxury pick (which isn’t ideal, but when you have 11 total picks and 7 in the first 4 rounds, it’s not so crazy to grab a guy that may be head and shoulders above the next guy down on your draft board.
That aside, how many teams out there are equipped to cover DeSean Jackson, Jeremy Maclin, Jason Avant, and Dez Bryant?
Dez Bryant will cry like a little bitch on her worst period if he has to share the ball with that many wideouts.
Jim Johnson(RIP). Brian Westbrook(36). Donovan Mcnabb(5). Brian Dawkins(20). Sheldon Brown(24). Jeremiah Trotter(54).
Thanks for the memories...
Chill with the sarcasm. He is extremely talented but there is no doubt he has a red flag on character. Why else would people think he would be dropping out of the top ten? I would have a huge problem with selecting him at 24. We have three, very good young receivers. One of them got extended, one will get extended after next season, and the other probably the following season. If we didn’t select Maclin last year, than this “luxury” pick would make sense.
Of course, Bryant will have a problem with sharing the ball with 3 other receivers. He is a top 10 talent that won’t be getting enough opportunities. Less opportunities = less production. Less production = less $$$.
If he takes away opportunities from Maclin or Jackson, that could cause a problem as well, since both have a big payday coming up. Did you see how Jackson sounded when they selected Maclin last year? He sure as hell wasn’t pleased. How do you think he would feel if they selected another one in the first round this year?
All in all, he is just not a good fit for us.
Jim Johnson(RIP). Brian Westbrook(36). Donovan Mcnabb(5). Brian Dawkins(20). Sheldon Brown(24). Jeremiah Trotter(54).
Thanks for the memories...
Can’t argue there. I agree that WR is probably the last position that needs to be addressed in the first round. I’d much rather see a defensive player taken. But I’m just saying Dez is great value at 24. If he’s the BPA, then I can see the logic behind picking him.
All in all, we’re arguing over nothing though because the Eagles will not draft Bryant.
Very interesting breakdown of Bryant by OSU WR coach Gunther Brewer, who also coached Randy Moss at Marshall...
"He can be a game-changer. He’s a guy that’s big and physical. He may not have the 4.4 or 4.3 speed that people seem to think you need, but he’s a big guy like Larry Fitzgerald that doesn’t seem to get caught. A lot of those corners are 5-9, 5-10 and 180 pounds. They might be faster than him, but they have a real hard time covering him. … He’s the best at everything that has to do with going up and getting the ball in the air. He’s better than Randy [Moss] at the fade. He’s just got an amazing feel at getting to the ball in the air. He can tweak his body and get to it, and he’ s so strong. His vertical and ability to play is the in the air is tremendous. … People are concerned about his speed [as a punt returner], but he’s so strong that people fall off of him and he has the ability to make people miss. He has that quick-twitch ability to get going fast. And he’s fearless to catch the ball. … I don’t think he has a character issue at all. It’s a time-management and life skills issue. He comes from a terrible background, but he’s never been in any [legal] trouble. … Saying he’s a pathological liar, that’s not true. The only time he lied was when he got scared by the NCAA about losing his [college] career, which ended up happening. Nine out of 10 guys in that situation would probably have done the same thing. … It’s going to be important wherever he goes for the receivers coach and offensive people to get to know him as a person and not just as a piece of meat. He’s a kid who has a good heart and wants to learn the game. He’s going to need some attention as far as the life skills part of it."
Wow. you rate him above Crabtree? Thats means you really like him.
I don’t agree, but I can see where you are coming from.
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by yophillybro on Apr 12, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I think we'll be a wildcard contender this year.
..Just sayin’
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offensive weapons
isn’t really something the Cowboys are lacking. They do need to find someone solid opposite Austin, but a lot of them are high on Oggletree (even though he has yet to actually do much on the field)…he’s someone that might develop in the offseason. I’d be fine with them taking Bryant especially if it was at the cost of addressing Flozell’s giant and vacant hole on the line
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They're convinced Free is their future LT
They just have 0 depth behind that aging line.
by Team Serbia on Apr 12, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Saying they’re convinced and actually being convinced are 2 different things. Free was abused in their playoff game against Minnesota.
I know
and as any rationale Eagles fan, I hope they never reach that stage of actually being convinced. But I think you have to give it the benefit of the doubt, just because we’re in the similar boat with Kolb.
by Team Serbia on Apr 12, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Still doesn’t excuse what would happen if a lineman or two go down. I’m pretty sure insurance companies would refuse to give Romo life insurance behind that line.
by Team Serbia on Apr 12, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Our kickers and Juqua Parker aside, their 4 starting OL other than Free would be the 4 oldest players on the Eagles.
Yea that's crazy
How do you not address that for so long? Thank god for Mr. Jones. I wouldn’t be surprised to see their running game start to decline either.
by Team Serbia on Apr 12, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah
I just said the same thing below before I read this…
I’m fine with them adding more offensive weapons if it means ignoring left tackle…
I really hope they feel content to move Doug Free over there and try him out..that would make me happy:)
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
According to Mort this trade came together very quickly so who knows if the Cowboys even knew if he was on the block, plus there was a chance he could get released so maybe the Cowboys if they knew about it just wanted to wait and see. Holmes also wasn’t going to be a Steeler after this year anyways so I guess the Jets will have to make a decision between him and Edwards because I am not sure they can bring both back.
Wow
It was rumored the Steelers were looking to move him because the Steelers weren’t going to be willing to give him top WR money but a 5th pick?
Father Time is going to catch up with Ward sometime soon & even the Steelers supposedly really like the way Wallace came on down the stretch they are pretty thin at WR.
Can’t imagine the Steelers’ fans are pleased in the least with this move.
Can’t imagine the Steelers’ fans are pleased in the least with this move.
I would imagine not. I have a lot of friends that are Jets fans, and they’ve been sending me giddy emails all morning.
Then again, I got those same emails when we traded them Lito Sheppard, and I remember back in my Freshman year of college they were fired up about their hiring of Rich Kotite… so maybe my Jet friends aren’t the best evaluators of front office moves involving their team, haha.
Jets will be a trendy pick to make the SB next year now. Always had a soft spot for Jets’ fans because they always have been on the short end of the stick since ‘69. As much as Eagles’ fans bitch & complain about not winning a SB, at least the Eagles have had plenty of success the past 25 years.
I can feel sorry for them in a way.
They’re not in the NFC..
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
I already thought they would be a trendy pick because of them making the AFC Championship last year.
After the Eagles were out,
I had my money on a Jets/Vikings SuperBowl.
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I like the Jets
living in NY, I kinda have a soft spot for them, and find myself rooting for them on Sundays. Their fans remind me a lot of us Eagles fans…ESPECIALLY when compared to the relatively fair-weather uninformed Giants fans
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
if you click on the title link
it’ll take you to an article in the Steelers SBNation site. There’s a good argument as to why a 5th was fair compensation
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
Longest damn SBNation post I've ever seen though.
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Count me unimpressed
His “good argument” about why a 5th was fair compensation goes like this:
The Cardinals only got a 3rd and a 4th for Boldin (who will be 30 in October and hasn’t had an 1100 yard season in four years), and the Raiders only got a 4th for Moss (who was 30 at the time and hadn’t had an 1100 yard season in four years).
Doesn’t strike me as compelling logic that a 5th is fair compensation for a 26 year old WR coming off a 1200 yard season.
You have to look at the circumstances
Holmes is suspended 4 games (and possibly more). That uncertainty right there diminishes a lot of his value. Also, he’s in the last year of his contract. So at most, you’re getting a 12 game rental + playoffs.
Moss was signed for two more years, at salaries of $10M and $11M.
Boldin was under contract for only one more year.
The four game suspension is an issue, sure. But 12 games plus the opportunity to resign a 26-year-old WR coming off a 1200+ yard season, versus 16 games plus the opportunity to resign a 30-year old WR who hasn’t done it in four years, and the latter guy gets you a 3rd and a 4th and that’s an explanation for why the former guy is only worth a 5th?
Just saying, it’s not the most compelling logic I’ve ever heard.
A guy that’s on the last year of his deal, probably suspended for 4 games, and from the looks of his conduct, may end up being the next Pacman Jones… What a waste of talent.
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
I would imagine not. I have a lot of friends that are Jets fans, and they’ve been sending me giddy emails all morning.
My two Uncles who are Steelers fans are indifferent to it because they thought Holmes had a chance of getting suspended and they weren’t sure if he was going to be re-signed. Also the owner doesn’t like it if you screw up unless you are Roethlisberger it seems like.
Roethlisberger is the face of the franchise and their guy at QB for the foreseeable future. Even teh Steelers have to bend their rules a bit for certain players. Roethlisberger is one of them.
True
I agree that you have to bend the rules for the franchise QB but if he gets accused again of sexual assault he will probably be out there unless the owners feel like he is just becoming a target.
Good for the Eagles...
Amazing that we’re the ones set at WR, but I’m glad the Redskins & Cowboys did not get him.
He got traded to Baltimore I believe.
Let the beasting begin.
by TransplantedFan on Apr 12, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah, I realized that after I typed it and hit post. Did something of a face palm.
Let the beasting begin.
by TransplantedFan on Apr 12, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm just glad Holmes is staying away from the NFC East
Troubled or not….
He’s a damn good WR
by Smallbugger on Apr 12, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
We’re trading for Boldin?!?!?! OMGzzz!!!!
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
Haha
Yeah, it’s refreshing that a WR can be traded and we’re not all up in arms that the Eagles weren’t involved.
Here’s the really important question… what does this do to Sanchez’s fantasy value!
Let the beasting begin.
by TransplantedFan on Apr 12, 2010 4:10 PM EDT reply actions
No it doesn’t… yet.
I am the commish of my league though.
Let the beasting begin.
by TransplantedFan on Apr 12, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude is probably related to Plaxico
Hopefully he doesn’t shoot himself in the leg like the other idiot once he gets to the New Jersey Jets. ESPN has been covering it like crazy, and after seeing how much shit this dude got into over only 4 years, smart move by the Steelers.
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