Breaking: Eagles Release Will Witherspoon
Dave Spadaro has just announced on Eagles Live that the team will release linebacker Will Witherspoon. In other words, the Eagles basically traded Brandon Gibson and a draft pick to the Rams for 11 games of mediocre linebacker play. On the other hand, Witherspoon's departure frees up $5 million. Could this mean that a free agent signing is on the radar? Hopefully the front office will provide some answers soon.
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I heard about this not too long ago
And I’m not really surprised. $5million is a lot for a average/good LB, especially with the low priority Reid has towards them.
what?? huge surprise...
LB first round or Free Agent signing coming up? We are VERY thin at lb now.
Bye 36, you will be missed...
by Route36 on Mar 5, 2010 4:58 PM EST via mobile reply actions
So.....
We gave up a Gibson and a draft pick for this?
I understand the immense need that was there at the time, but that’s pretty crappy.
Veritas Liberabit Te
agreed completely
we gave up a draft pick and a promising young WR for a 12 game rental LB?
Granted we probably wouldn’t have seen the post-season without him, but I’m not going to pretend that last year’s Eagles had a chance of going anywhere with how overall weak we were on Def
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
dude
gibson is a joke .. he is a borderline roster guy .. who the fuck cares about him .. get over it .. now this is dumb .. i seen it coming .. but he was hands down our best lb .. so now we officially have the worst lbs in the nfl after releasing our only above average starter .. maybe it will be LB LB in the first and second
by jack is better than asante on Mar 5, 2010 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
oh i agree
just mentioning that we barely saw the postseason as it was, even with him. basically saying that we need an upgrade at LB and we technically got worse through this move, even if it made sense financially not to over pay for that production.
miami already did
To me the Eagles are like that girlfriend that pisses u off, then u hate her, but the next morning you wake up and remember that thing u love so much about her
by XxBleedGreen5xX on Mar 6, 2010 8:10 AM EST up reply actions
who interests you ? i didnt want anyone but dansby and if not then draft …
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by NorthPhillyKid on Mar 6, 2010 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
shocking, wow
now i’m a little uncomfortable with the relative lack of news about pursuing free agents
W.T.F.
RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
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I don't get this
He may not be a league all-Pro, but he was certainly our best LB, and with Stew coming back from injury, we could really use him…
I hope this is a sign that something big is coming.
My other thought is that we must really be banking on Jordan. Spoon and Jordan are both WLB only…and is Spoon really that big a step up from Jordan? Maybe not. I think if perhaps Spoon had showed more at MLB, we would have kept him around and moved Stew to Sam…but if he’s really only a Will, and Jordan isn’t that much of a step down, than maybe it is a lot to pay for just a slight upgrade
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
(shaking head)
I guess he was a Heckert guy?
Whatever the case, major failure by the front office here.
My irritation level today was at a 6.5. I’m at a 9 now.
by JimmyK on Mar 5, 2010 5:08 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I have an answer for you.
But you aren’t going to like it.
We’re going to do LITERALLY (not figuratively or metaphorically nothing), NOTHING this offseason. Nothing.
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
And why should be surprised? The FO said it themselves that they make Business decisions before football ones, and thats the reason we still havent won a SB.
"Season tickets for the Lakers? How is that economically possible?"
"Bye, Mac"
I thought it was McNabb's fault
Damnit people, which is it?
Come on EB, this isn’t your first rodeo … you know they’re going to make some moves. Maybe not good ones, probably not popular ones. But they don’t typically stand around and watch.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
This uncapped year, my friend...
…Banner and the FO are going to be the guys who watch the frat house gangbang with their camera phones a-blazing. They yell some and make noise. They may even unbuckle their belts. But they’re not going to stick their dicks in anything.
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
by EvilBanner on Mar 5, 2010 5:49 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Definitely not time to panic but it is time to start worrying. We had the worst LB’s ;ast year and we just released our best LB. Our safeties are pretty bad, and again no help for Cole on the D-Line.
"Season tickets for the Lakers? How is that economically possible?"
"Bye, Mac"
I agree it doesn't look good today
but we don’t have a game tomorrow. Lot of time left, and a lot of good football players still out there. Hopefully we sign six or 10 of them :)
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
More pissed about throwing away Gibson WTF? than cutting a mediocre LB but we better make a move for a decent LB this offseason !
by jufr18 on Mar 5, 2010 5:09 PM EST via mobile reply actions
wow this
is some fuckin bull shbit why remove our best outside line backer fucking pissed over here
yes
This could mean that we will a play for karlos dansby
There's definitely more to this story
Because taken by itself, this doesn’t make any sense. Not just the move, but the timing.
Why would they wait until well into free agency’s first day to announce the move if it was strictly about Witherspoon?
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
by D3Keith on Mar 5, 2010 5:15 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I'm really thinking
they have something significant in the works…
and if they don’t…WTF!?!?!?!
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
ugh
gocong is the biggest POS on this team .. i hope he gets hurt at flight night
by jack is better than asante on Mar 5, 2010 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
Totally unexpected
This just leaves us so thin at LB. Its always been a problem position under Reid. And I’m getting that same feeling about the obvious lack of depth like I did last year at Safety at about this time. Will they ignore the obvious again?
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by LeonSA on Mar 5, 2010 5:21 PM EST via mobile reply actions
draft
I guess we are going to have to draft for need instead of BPA which sucks
"Bleed green for life my nocos"
There's got to be something else to it
I feel like I can’t properly judge the move without the other shoe dropping.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
We're one day into the new NFL year
There’s months of free agency plus the whole draft still left.
Everyone panicked last year when the Eagles didn’t sign TJ Houshmandzadeh and we all thought they’d be lacking a WR again.
How’d that turn out?
If we’re going to panic, wait til after the draft is over to do so. The offseason is much longer than this one day.
OMFG
I almost had a Heart Attack, OMG OMG OMG
I just hope the Eagles know what they are doing
eff you we winning anyway
A.I. IS BACKKKKKKK
Hilarious...but unintentionally so.
“I just hope the Eagles know what they are doing.” Best joke of the thread goes to you, sir. Huzzah!
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
I hate Gocong so much
And now it looks like he’s going to be an Eagle. This sucks
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
It fucking better be
Dansby cuz I’d rather have will over bullick
by bclancy15 on Mar 5, 2010 5:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Johnson was tendered at a 1st rounder. So unless the Chiefs will take something less I think he is staying in KC
Oh I didn't know that
That sucks I thought he would come cheap after getting benched
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
I'm gonna take the measured approach ...
… No one day by itself makes an offseason, not even Day 1 of the draft.
I’ll just keep telling myself they wouldn’t be doing this for no reason at all. (pretends “the wrong reasons” is not an option)
Also, put me in the “not that outraged about Brandon Gibson” camp. Getting 12 useful games out of the 194th pick is 12 more than a lot of sixth rounders end up providing. Not to mention the fact that the way you acquire a player really shouldn’t factor into your evaluation of whether or not he has a future with your team.
There’s just gotta be more to all this though …
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
i think the eagles are up to something...
let me rephrase that… i hope the eagles are up to something.
They have to be
Otherwise, they’re not just standing pat, they’re actively getting worse. Which makes no sense at all.
We’ve followed the Eagles long enough to know that just when you think they’re out of their minds, they come back and hit you with something
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
Howard
Why get rid of spoon though? Depth anyone?
Didn’t we have like 100 different Lb combinations last season? In 2004 or LBs suck balls too.
Fuck this, I am getting pretty tired of this bullshit. Gibson looked really good, and we gave him away.
I wish we would have lost Baskett before he played a RS game, not Gibson.
Typical Eagles bullshit.
They can spend whatever they want and they still are counting pennies.
Thanks guys!!!
Calm down killer
We don’t have a game that matters until September. No way our linebackers are Gaither, Fokou and Gocong on opening day.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
I wouldnt be surprised, the FO are a bunch of business grads, no football minds at all.
"Season tickets for the Lakers? How is that economically possible?"
"Bye, Mac"
That's the frustration talking ...
… Look, if this were the first year with this crew, I’d say the frustration is justified. But just last year we rode this whole roller coaster of emotion and even though we didn’t kill on Day 1 of free agency, we had a pretty good offseason.
You do whatever you want; Me, I’m gonna try not to declare the game lost when we’re down 3-0 in the first quarter. It’s VERY early yet. It’s admittedly not going well. But it’s no time to panic. It’s time for some air guitar!
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
Definitely not time to panic, ut it is time to worry. I mean our LB’’s were the worst in the league last year and instead of adding to them we subtract our best LB. We have no safeties, and again only one good ass rushing D-Linemen. Not to mention #5 is still on the roster.
"Season tickets for the Lakers? How is that economically possible?"
"Bye, Mac"
don't forget about the dynamic joe mays......
"it's like i tell my ex-wife, i never drive faster than i can see, and besides it's all in the reflexes." -Jack Burton, Big trouble in little China
I don’t want to here about how Trotter is in shape and might be coming to save the season, again…
Sorry, I find it unacceptable that Gocong, Gayyyyther, Trotter are any where near my football team. Maybe they fix this…..
But you do remember that we have had a million and one LBs.
Kirkland, Semanou, Gay ass bowtie dude, Barry Gardner, I can’t even remember anymore.
Witherspoon>every other Eagles LB
noooo
cuz top cat is smart .. witherspoon > bradley .. he just cost to much and the eagles wont spend 5 mil on a lb .. they dont care about LBs at all
by jack is better than asante on Mar 5, 2010 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
If Witherspoon was “clearly” the best linebacker on the team, I find it odd that the front office would cut him without any qualms. Sure they’re “cheap”, but as you saw with Leonard Weaver, I don’t think they have a problem with handing money to people who contribute a great deal to the team.
actually
they do .. they wont spend 5 mil on a lb cuz they dont value the position .. plus hes over 30 .. they have like a rule about no one over 30 .. unless ur mcnabb
by jack is better than asante on Mar 6, 2010 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
maybe
they’ll break that rule this year and get rid of mcnabb some way..
You'll be missed, 36.
by Bye, Westbrook :( on Mar 6, 2010 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
DKeith
You might be right….
I am not going to hold my breath though.
I wouldn't want you to do that
it might be a while before they make any moves we can get behind.
I’m surprised so many people are stunned by this. They ALWAYS do this … they make a play for some of the big dogs, and either get ‘em (Asante, Kearse) or don’t (Moss, Peppers) and then they lay in the weeds while agents’ demands come down and pick up the less popular players at a price they’re comfortable with.
But they very rarely do what’s popular.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
dude...
You are just absurd topcat. I was not aware that you owned the Eagles???
<Sorry, I find it unacceptable that Gocong, Gayyyyther, Trotter are any where near my football team.>
Step down off the ledge, man.
Revisionist history
Eagles desperately needed a LB at the time and Gibson would be the 4th WR at best on this team. 6th round pick is relatively meaningless. It wasn’t a bad move at the time and big some dividends his 1st game.
No
it wasn’t a bad move at the time at all. In fact, our season would have ended up a lot worse off if we hadn’t made that trade. But, we also thought we were getting a solid LB for a few years, not just 12 games.
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
I just won his autograph in a raffle.
I’m not really sure how I should feel. Happy? Excited? Apathetic?
Brent Celek > Chuck Norris
Witherspoon's contract...
For some reason, I thought Witherspoon had only 1 year left on his deal, but it’s actually 2… $5M this year, $5M next year. I’m less upset by this move now.
i'm not...
it’s an uncapped year and the eagles blew it with peppers. westbrook and his millions are off the books and guys like kevin curtis and darren howard are making almost 5 million dollars. cut them! this simply doesn’t make sense.
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Guess who said this quote when 'Spoon was acquired in Oct.?
where did this come from .. absolute steal ..ive seen him play many times .. was a monster in carolina .. a victim of a bad team .. he is our best lb rite now .. if bradley were healthy .. i would still be making that same claim .. how we steal this guy for a borderline roster wr and a 5th round pick amazes me .. i love love love this move .. hes better than derrek johnson
There were other equally ridiculous posts including a poster who called ’Spoon “a beast” and several others who were touting him as a potential “Pro Bowler” after his first week.
I actually remembered how much JIBTA loved this move
Sadly, I did too. I really thought ’Spoon would be good.
I’m trying not to get my hopes up for his return at a lower price.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
come on
the point is .. witherspoon was and still is better than what we have .. you guys want to pretend like this wasnt a money move .. it was .. the eagles dont value LBs and wont pay 5 million dollars for one with wills age .. thats exactly why .. hes better than any lb on this roster .. it pisses me off they dont value the position .. and fuck gibson .. he will never be bettetr than a greg lewis type wr
by jack is better than asante on Mar 5, 2010 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think we're denying that it's a money move
Spoon, aside from that spectacular week 1, wasn’t that great in our system. He frequently looked lost out there on the field but I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt. He only had half a season to learn our system and even had to switch positions. He’s definitely better than anything we have right now, which leads me to believe that Andy has a contingency plan in place. Maybe we’re gonna go hard after one of the Raiders’ LBs? The FO will definitely fix the LB situation before the season begins (I hope). And the money that we’re saving from cutting Spoon and Westbrook will be spent somewhere eventually (signing RFAs, extensions, etc.)
And yeah, I really wish Andy would freaking value the LB position. We always seem to have stop gaps, rentals, or rookies playing that position.
by chrisbeomsuh on Mar 6, 2010 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
Not a big deal
‘Spoon showed this year that he just wasn’t capable of playing at MLB and at the SAM position and he struggled in coverage at times this year too as it was pretty clear he had lost a step. Seemed like he actually played his best game in an Eagles uniform in his first game (‘Skins game) and his play gradually fell off the longer he was in an Eagles’ uniform.
My bet is that Eagles’ FO thinks they can resign Jordan at around half (or slightly more) of what ‘Spoon was set to make and have him start at the weak-side without any decline. In fact, Jordan was the Eagles’ best LB last year and was the only guy who was somewhat of a difference-maker before he got injured. Jordan hasn’t put a full season together yet but he has shown enough over the last 2 seasons that I don’t mind the Eagles making this move at all.
Eagles do need to figure out what they are going to do with the SAM position though because it is pretty clear Gocong isn’t the answer there.
cuz you in the know joe, u in the know
Jordan is going to surprise this year, he was beasting before he got hurt.
My "t" and "y" buttons are messed up so don't bitch at me about misspelling, I'm just saying.
by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on Mar 5, 2010 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
that's not really a fair assessment
none (spoon included) of the linebackers were any good last year. choosing jordan over the other linebackers is like choosing a fat chick amongst a room of hefers.
my apologies to the ladies out there, by the way.
No way
’Spoon will be in the league next year but almost certainly as a backup LB somewhere making close to the veteran league minimum. My bet is that he signs somewhere for around $1M or so.
no way
will would start on a lot of teams .. are u serious MG77 .. i usually agree with u .. but witherspoon is an above average lb
by jack is better than asante on Mar 5, 2010 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
Eagles have the alternative to Spoon
His name is Jordan. Young, cheaper, quicker, and the ability to give them a bit more than they got from ’Spoon last year.
Rather have the Eagles spend that money on one of several positions including FS, DE, or RG.
I agree
I don’t think we would have dropped him if he had shown some ability to play MLB. Since he’s a WLB only, the drop-off to Jordan isn’t that far…maybe there’s no drop off.
$5M is a lot to pay for a guy that isn’t really any upgrade over the one position he can play
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
GUys chill the fuck out
We tried Witherspoon at multiple positions and he ended up going bust at all of them. He’s a big name, I know, but he’s not worth the 5 million, nor a roster sport… RELAX… We’re saving money left and right and there’s still plennnnnty of off season…. RELAX RELAX RELAX
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
by Joe_D on Mar 5, 2010 6:15 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
i dont even think it's about the name
it just leaves us very, VERY thin and inexperienced at LB unless we make a move to sign a FA.
ITS THE FIRST DAY OF FA!!
There’s still room for trades, draft, and bargain bin deals for depth.. Reeeeeee laxxxxxxxxx
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
OMG!!!
WE ARE GOING 0-16! WE NEED MORE PLAYERS AND HAVE NO MORE TIME TO GET THEM!
Wow, I’m surprised at people’s reaction to this. I thought he did okay, but not $5 mil okay. I like Jordan better anyway.
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McNabb- Best QB in Eagles History
This is the year
i'm not really that upset
i’m strictly talking about upgrading the LBs on the team as a whole. we have bigger holes to fill, but by releasing witherspoon, it makes our LB situation another hole to fill. not as big as say FS or DE, but we are very inexperienced at the position and we just released a pro-bowl LB (not currently playing at that level, obviously) who had 11 games and 2 different positions to show us what he could do in this defense.
sure, there are bargain bin players for depth and possible trades to work out, but i want to make an example with another position and a guy who made some news earlier: fullback leonard weaver. go back just 1 year and you’ll see how the eagles would ignore a position outright. they thought they were smart for drafting LBs late in the draft and converting them into FBs. they would sign a DT and turn him into a FB. they drafted a RB in the 3rd and tried to turn him into a FB before the final preseason game.
then something magical happened: they decided NOT to ignore a position on the football team and signed leonard weaver, a legit, talented FB. 1 year later he signs a record contract for FBs after having a pro-bowl year. if you want a closer example, take our good pal stew bradley. drafted in the 3rd round, he rocked shit when given the starting position. maybe they draft a LB high up in the draft this year, but that’s a big risk thinking you can get a starter at 26 (not saying you can’t, it’s just a risk). i just feel like the eagles will continue to ignore the LB position and the team will suffer (maybe marginally, but still suffer).
it helps to have all your positions filled with players who can play that position well. maybe the eagles don’t need will witherspoon to succeed, and maybe they don’t need star LBs, but when you DO get players that play the position well, they certainly can do better than someone who is just playing to the system. the team would benefit from a veteran leader on D who has experience (not talking trotter), and i just hope they plan on making a move to trade for a LB, because i don’t believe they are sound at the position with the current roster plus a 1st round LB
sure, the eagles save themselves $5 this year in an uncapped year. to quote ricky watters “for who? for what?” to save $5 the next year which might not be uncapped? they are saving money for themselves as a business. that money could be spent extending desean or signing a player to a new deal after a trade, but in an uncapped year, i see that as just a way for them to keep money in their pocket at the cost of talent on the team.
so it’s not that i don’t trust that andy and co. have a plan, it’s more like i disagree with their plan. and have evidence ON THEIR OWN TEAM to support my plan. so here’s to hoping they have a plan address the position somehow.
wow, that was way longer than i had planned on
that’s what she said
oh yeah
$5 = $5 mil. i hope you understand i’m not THAT dumb…
Agreed 100% Joe D
Eagles need to address several other positions but if they resign Jordan the weakside LB isn’t one of them.
exactgly
7 mil with westbrook 5 with Spoon, and possibly 12 with mcnabb.. that means we’ll have money to get our young guys (Jackson) and some other names through trade/draft…
The Eagles FO has a plan people, we do EVERY YEAR.. REEEEEEEEE LAXXXXXXX!!!!!!!!!!
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
It's not always a popular plan
But I think they’ve proven they know more than we do.
Remember when we were all like “Yo, they should sign Eric Moulds! WTF?!?!?!”
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
Honestly
It took a few years to dispel the myth that the Eagles FO was cheap in signing FAs. I think it’s gonna take a few more years for people to understand that Eagles almost always have a plan in place.
by chrisbeomsuh on Mar 5, 2010 6:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I really need to look for those articles
where it explained how they used the LTBE exceptions to pay players MORE than most other teams while also having among the most cap room.
Sadly, chris, I’m not so sure the myth has been totally dispelled. That’s why I like to hang here, where they’re a better mix of educated opinions. If you kick it at Philly.com or PFT.com, the Eagles fans there aren’t representing us quite as well.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
That's a good point
You would think that big signings of Asante, Jason Peters, Jevon Kearse, Runyan, etc. would dispel it.
This is one thing that bugs me the most about our fan-base. Too reactionary. First day of FA goes by without a big splash signing and we already have many complaining.
Definitely too reactionary
I think part of the problem too is it’s built into our character now; we see our friends act this way so we feel we have to act that way too. It’s not quite the badge of honor that defending our stadiums and acting “like a Philly fan” is, but same theory in play. It’s like you’re not a true fan if you don’t act that way.
I just don’t think the facts add up all the time for all the Eagles FO hate, but also I’m not a real irrational, reactionary dude in real life.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
Joe D - the voice of reason
Agree 100%. We need to take a deep breath and relax. I’m going to go out on a limb and trust the FO on this one. They hit more than they miss. There have been times when they did stuff and I said WTF, but it worked out. We’ll be OK.
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with bradley coming off the knee jordan whos health is a question witherspoon was a good option at depth
Not really
You don’t pay your depth guys 5 mil… Esp ones that aren’t very good
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
Lets pay very little money
for players that cannot play! Yeah that makes sense.
GAYYYYTHER and Gocong are corny ass players. So, instead we keep draft picks with no history of playmaking on our roster. That makes sense….
Are you like 5 years old?
Are half of you 5 years old? Why is everyone being so impulsibve, did you expect to re-do the roster all in one day?
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
Ridiculous on here
When people were chatisizing the Eagles already last night even. Crazy. Almost need to wait until after the draft to see how things shake out.
by MG77 on Mar 5, 2010 6:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
so whos to say that gocong, bradley and jordan our the starters on day one?
do you get it now? there’s more than jsut 1 day of FA… theres draft and trades too..oh and many more days of FA….cmon dude, take a chill
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
I didn’t say that. I hope to god they are not.
The point I am making that if they are going to drop someone it should be the least talented first. So when I see these fags cut, then I will relax. Until then, this doesn’t make any sense.
Lemme see, my LBs are gay. So, I should cut the best one first and then figure out the rest later. LMAO, that is really stupid. Especially without a Cap this year
I hope to god they are not.
It is the 1st damn day of FA. Grab a beer and chill out man. Its Friday.
still feel the same way?
i’m not even saying that the eagles should have signed anyone, but the “1st damn day of FA” saw the signing of pretty much all the major FAs. then again, i type this at 1am, and hindsight is always 20-20.
Yeah, I am 5 years old
So my hole life I’ve seen our LB corps look like shit.
I just would like to know when am I going to see a above average LB in my life.
Ohh, Bradley is coming off a knee surgery, I guess he is going straight to the Probowl now huh.
Then you really are 5 years old
Cause you don’t remember the Seth Joyner/William Thomas days.. Or when we had Emmons/barber/Trotter in their primes…
by the way WE WILL MAKE MOVES… why does it have to be NOW!!!!???? relax
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
You must be closer to 5
Because the Eagles system under JJ’s scheme has never relied upon great LB. Jordan is a capable enough option but they just need to figure out what to do about SAM.
There are bigger issues though on defense than weakside LB including FS, LDE, and the nickel/dime CBs.
bigger issues, yes
but now LB is an issue, as well. not as big, but another issue.
and as i stated above (sorry to repeat myself, didn’t see this before), sure, the system may allow for a lesser talented player to succeed, but they rarely excel. look at leonard weaver. he was a good FB who came to play in a position we had always filled with system guys (LBs, DTs and 3rd round RBs) and 1 year later he’s a pro-bowler who signs a record contract for that position.
bradley is a similar story. but when they drafted him, they had other experienced players starting in front of him and allowed him to learn a bit on the sidelines before stepping in. that’s why drafting a LB early and expecting him to step in and play is a risk with the current players on the roster, IMO. so i just hate that the eagles feel like they can “get by” with players instead of spending a little money (especially in an uncapped year) and getting a better output, even if you overpay for that extra output.
the phillies decided to go that route and they won a championship and earned revenue to put up over $100 million again. and i don’t even think fans would be too upset if the team then went back to their smart business moves after winning the big one. just get me that trophy and then we’re cool.
oh
and do you really think gayyyyyyyther is going to start? he could even be released, same with gocong.
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
I guess the defense is going to be better without Witherspoon.
Anybody knows that today is the first day. It isn’t that hard to understand that there is a lot of time until the start of camp.
The lack of logic behind this move is insane. We tender Gaither, Gocong, Jordan. Then we release a proven veteran that is better than all of them. I guess that is why our defense blew so bad last year.
everyone keeps saying that we don’t care about LB’s, we’ll maybe we could have stopped Dallas if we had some fucking Lbs that could motherfucking tackle. But, again, Lbs aren’t that important anyway.
it is for you
you dont get it . you keep saying that we’re going in the season with gaither and gocong and an injured bradley as our starters. it’s not so, relax before you condemn us to cellar dwellars
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
Lack of logic?
Just because we don’t understand it doesn’t mean no logic was used. In fact, it’s probably quite the opposite, and once we have all the details and the full picture, we’ll be a little bit more justified in our panic or our defense of the FO.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
Every year its something
in ’07 we had no kick returner and had to bring back Reno, in ’08 we had no fullback and had to use some combination of Tony Hunt, Dan Klecko, and Kyle Eckel, in ’09 we had no answer at Safety (you could argue LB, but injuries are hard to predict, we lost Stew, Gaither, and Jordan for a while)…and 2010…
I’m just gonna go out on a limb and say linebacker is the position where we will be unprepared
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
I really hope it’s Dansby and NOT Bulluck or Porter…
by 92-74-99-96 on Mar 5, 2010 6:19 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Possible Move
Like everybody else, I’d like to see the Dansby signing. It might also allow Fokou to move to WILL and push Akeem there. He projects more as a WILL in my opinion due to his size and has a nose for the ball.
Veritas Liberabit Te
way too old 'even for the birds'???
that sounds like we usually pick up vets, but these guys are beyond our standards…
Dude, 29 is almost too old for the birds…we don’t like anyone even close to 30
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
Everyone would love Dansby, but I don't know if hes coming
eff you we winning anyway
A.I. IS BACKKKKKKK
I usually trust their film study when it comes to player releases
Maybe Witherspoon really was mediocre after his first game here. If he looks that mediocre on film next to the likes of Gaither, Gocong, Fokou and Jordan then maybe he really does stink. $5Million is a pretty big expense.
by andyreidswaistline on Mar 5, 2010 6:26 PM EST reply actions
Bradley is the only good LB we have
that can play Mike or Sam…
Jordan is Will ONLY, Gaither is a versitile and reasonably serviceable back up on Mike and Will…Gocong is a Sam only, and he’s barely serviceable…
The worst thing we could do in the world is put Stew at Will where we actually have a couple guys who can play, and leave GAPING holes at Mike and Sam where we basically have no one
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
Sorry
Too many comments to take in all at once. This has FO written all over it. We give up Gibson (who was a promising prospect, however with our WR corps, not necessarily needed) to get this dude, and didnt even give him a fresh season to adjust to the defense. I’m pretty irratated at this move.
We have ZERO depth at the linebacking position, so unless we’re dropping serious draft picks and money for a new defense, I dont know how this move makes any sense.
Mediocre the rest of the season…sure, I’ll give you that. But think about how you’d play being plucked from a team mid-season. Great first game (since the opponent has no tape on you playing with the birds) but the rest is so-so. I think this wouldve been a major season for him. I dont really care if anybody disagrees – its a gut feeling.
Wow, someone else can see that we have no depth at all at LB. I guess Trotter and Mays are the answer to all of our problems. Ohh we should put all of our eggs into Bradley’s basket too.
That’s amazing.
you stupid fuck
its only the first day of free agency. why are you so stupid? do you really think we’re not going to make any moves????/
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
by Joe_D on Mar 5, 2010 6:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i liked him too. i figured with a year in the sytem and an offseason to work with the team he would only get better.
I thought it was a great trade
And I’m not quite as broken up about Brandon Gibson as some people seem to be.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
yeah I wasn't worried about Gibson either
Let's get it Birds.
by homestar2281 on Mar 5, 2010 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
I don't get it
he hardly sticks out on the Rams WR corps, which as far as I can tell is among the worst in the league (if not the worst)
No point weeping over a second-day draft choice who barely registered on the stat line even when he was here
by alcatraz0109 on Mar 5, 2010 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
he played well for us in the preseason
and was pretty good for the rams
barely registered on the stat line even when he was here
He played in one game with us…it was against the Chiefs. He saw a total of 5 snaps, and 4 of those were in garbage 4th quarter time where we were running out the clock. That really gives him a total of one meaningful play at WR, and no, he didn’t accumulate any stats in that one single play…but that’s not really a large enough body of work to draw a good conclusion is it?
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
I don't understand that
I mean, I loved Gibson as much as the next guy but LB was a clear need at that point. The FO pulled off a great trade (at least at the time).
GIbson has a lot of potential but he’s not gonna be taking away playing time from DeSean, Maclin, or Avant.
by chrisbeomsuh on Mar 5, 2010 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
no, he wouldn't take playing time from them
but he might have from Reggie Brown, and I’ll take that, cuz I really don’t think Brown has any heart at all
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
Fair enough
But still, LB was a clear need and the FO addressed it through a great trade. No regrets at all from me regardless of how it all turned out.
by chrisbeomsuh on Mar 5, 2010 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
I know
The Birds will make moves – they did last year, they will again this year. However, I dont think 5 mil for a decently proven LB, in a position plagued by injuries and depth is not that bad (considering we’re going to pay Vick 5 mil to do…umm…the wild eagle?)
Oh wait…Spoon is 29…Breaking point where you get cut by the Eagles unless ur #5, Akers, or the Australian guy hahaha
yeah
We always have top quality LB corps year in and year out. We could make moves for good LBs, but we never fucking do for some reason.
Jordan is the only motherfucking one that was tendered that is even serviceable.
I am a stupid fuck too. You are the one that is always crying about something. Dirt balls this, and I wish our d didn’t suck so bad.
NO SHIT!!! We could make moves, but the moves in the last 2 days are any indication of the quaitly of the future ones, then we are in big trouble!!!
Relax on the name calling man
Now we need to fill in an unnecessary spoon at LB when we have so much wrong with our D. Spoon was worth the 5 mil.
Seems like you think this is madden
Ok, tell me why Gocong is one the team right now and withersppon isn’t? Ohh, penny pinching isn’t a fucking excuse either.
Why tendor players that are not going to be in out future plans??? WHY"????/
Why was he are starting Sam? He sucked
Spoon>Gaither, Gocong, White, Trotter, (unknown factor Bradley)
come on, what is so hard to see???? We are about to cut Curtis and hope to god Brown too. Why care about the money so much here?
i'd rather have curtis..
as an emergency wr.
You'll be missed, 36.
by Bye, Westbrook :( on Mar 5, 2010 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
I want someone new
Chuck them both.
They were huge busts
Curtis was injured a lot
but he had a good year for us
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
why?
he’s allowed to speak his peace. he’s making decent points too. just because you disagree with him, doesn’t mean he has to shut up.
Chicken little act
Get’s tired. If he wants to talk about who else they are considering cutting, that’s fine.
Maybe you enjoy
Comments about ’Reid’s cock’ and sucking. I don’t.
by MG77 on Mar 5, 2010 7:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i don't...
but look at the comments made to him before he made that comment. it’s not like he was treated with warmth and kindness either.
Why tendor players that are not going to be in out future plans? WHY"??/
So you get compensation for them on the off chance someone else thinks they’re good? So you lock their salaries in at a reasonable price rather than get stuck in bidding war for them if you end up needing them back?
You’re probably right that the tenders mean these guys are in the plans. But perhaps the guys who analyze this stuff for a living have a clue. I don’t always like their moves when I first hear about them — cutting Spoon is a great example — but they’ve shown over the years that they don’t miss often.
You can barely count their botched roster moves on one hand. One guy they’ve let go has gone on to do something elsewhere, the rest, nothing. They pissed away punt returner one year and fullback the next … they’re definitely not infallible. But they’ve earned the benefit of the doubt from me. More often than not, they’ve made the right call on personnel moves … a lot more times than my Eric Moulds-wanting ass would have.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
I've used it like three times
:) Keep reading.
It’s my perfect example of stuff that makes sense to me at the time, yet why I should occasionally trust the guys who live football instead of watch it.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
when did you want him?
in 06 when he went to the texans or before he re-signed with the bills the 1st time?
"Bleed green for life my nocos"
When the Texans got him
And we had major needs at WR. Seemed like he was doing fine in Buffalo, and then … poof!
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
this was the time last year
when everyone was screaming for TJ Housh…and we end up with Maclin
I think I speak for everyone when I say that I prefer Maclin. We have holes at LB among others…I don’t understand dropping Spoon…but I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt (at least until we drop the Kick against GB and end up losing)
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
Thank God we didn't sign Housh
That would’ve turned out disastrous.
by chrisbeomsuh on Mar 5, 2010 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
brown?
whos brown .. but those other two are bums
by jack is better than asante on Mar 6, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
If only the Eagles had more time to sign a FA LB
Or maybe the chance to draft one.
The monster at the end of this blog.
by grover on Mar 5, 2010 6:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ooh, I want in.
The FO is comprised of a pantywaist account, another pantywaist accountant, a fruity yachtsman from Boston, and a morbidly obese imbecile. Why would we think they knew anything about football moves?
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
RE: front office
i got something to say, is it me or does the eagles all ways go for the cheapest player rather than pay the star? this is bullshit we have the money stop putting the money in your fat ass pocket and get some players dammit. we got beat down three times by the cowgirls last year. eagles fans just face it we have a cheap as front office who cares more about there pockets then the fans.
by justoneringplease23 on Mar 5, 2010 7:28 PM EST reply actions
Be fair
They weren’t cheap when they signed Asante to a six-year, $57 million deal. They “paid the star” when McNabb got a $115 million extension. They don’t “all ways” go cheap.
There are 31 other teams. They can’t have everyone we want. Or maybe they could, but it’s not really a prudent way to build a team. (exhibit A: Redskins)
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
The Eagles have a philosophy that goes something like this:
They would rather have 53 solid players on the roster that can play at a high level than 22 stars followed by scrubs. So they don’t always make the biggest splash, although they have (Kearse, TO, Asante, etc…). They are DEFINITELY not the cheapest team in the league…they always spend most of their cap room, they just spread it out among a lot of guys rather than paying a few stars.
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
I hate Gocong
This move is not retarded. It’s not even that bad. But I hate Gocong. Like a lot. If i have to sit through another season of Jason Witten running right past this dazed and confused looking fool I am going to completely destroy my liver
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
Well
Maybe the Birds are on to something.Maybe they are pushing hard for Dansby or someone else. If not, they just totally weakened their depth at LB for no reason.They also just wasted a good prospect in Brandon Gibson.We shall see…..
I don't know how to put this, but I'm kind of a big deal
There must be a reason
They can’t have voluntarily gotten worse at their weakest position group just to save a couple dollars in an uncapped year. They have to believe they can start the season with better players there. Anything else is incomprehensible.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
Agreed
But if they rely on drafting a LB..i will be nervous, as it is a fact that Birds do not value the LB position very much. I dont trust them in choosing a LB from the draft. Guess we gotta wait and see. But im not liking this one bit. Not one bit!!
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
Dansby
Just signed a 5 year deal, 43 million, 22 guaranteed- witht he dolphins. There goes that idea. Get us Morrison?
For the Love of the Game
Nope, even better
We trade spoons and get Weatherspoon in the draft
by birds'n'raiders on Mar 5, 2010 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
But to be quite honest
I’m totally comfortable with the same Jordan-Bradley-Gocong lineup that we had as a top 5 defense last year
The big surprise is he had 0 value?
We couldn’t even trade a guy we gave a good WR prospect and a 5th rounder away for?
No one thinks we might have gotten a 5th back or something?
we may have
his $5M contract might also have been hard to trade…I don’t know
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
i'm confused
couldnt we have at least traded him to get some value in return?
He was due 5 mill this year and next year too. No team will pay ten milion for a mediocre Will. There are a lot of weak-side linebackers. Its the strong side that’s hard to fill. You have to be a bigger faster LB to play that position. You need smarts and good feet, plus have ball skills.
You don’t need great players for the 43, but you need the right players. I am convinced we have a plan, so I am not as worried about this move. Of course I am also convinced we are rebuilding with a four year plan and this is our third year. It started with the drafting of Kolb. It comes to fruitation in 2012, we will be competative but 2012 is our SB winning year.
The “team build for ’12” piercit’s talking about, or the end of the world?
by notfromphilly on Mar 5, 2010 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
^^^ rolle is now a giant..
as adam schefter just posted on twitter..
Filed to ESPN: Giants reach agreement with S Antrel Rolle — 5 year deal for $37 million, including $15 million guaranteed.there goes most of the defensive players we wanted..
You'll be missed, 36.
by Bye, Westbrook :( on Mar 5, 2010 10:36 PM EST reply actions
Yea, they overpaid, but at the same time I’m not feeling too good having their secondary that much better..
by notfromphilly on Mar 6, 2010 1:02 AM EST up reply actions
Rolle has always been overrated
He is a faster Macho, who always had too much hype. But there is a reason the Cardinals have had a terrible pass defense over the past two years, despite having Adrian Wilson and Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie
by birds'n'raiders on Mar 6, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
Sure think about it, The Eagles have been drafting much younger players
( under-classmen) for the most part. Next year Kolb gets more experience, then 2011 it’s his show. Our skill players will be matured and then you fill the holes. A full year starting Kolb, and all the effort comes to fruitation with a five year dynasty.
I have to admit I am the eternal optimist when it comes to my Eagles…I do bleed green!!
We have some good talent, but another five-seven holes have to be filled. You can’t fill seven holes with FA, you have to draft the bulk of your team and mature it. We ARE doing that and have been the last three years.
How many rookies really make an impact in the NFL…maybe ten a year? Look how many step-up after three years, that is what we are looking for. Now we have the best position coaches in the NFL with Jurgon and April and our other position coaches. I believe we will see some vast improvments in our existing players. You need to read Tommie Lawlor, he really understands the Eagle thinking in coaching up existing talent.
See I think Demps, Macho, Abrini, etc, are not write-offs. I think as fans we need to give our young talent at least three to four years, some players take five years. Chit Demps can still be a great NFL player, he has all the tools, it just needs to click for him.
We need to relax a little. You guys might not remember the mid-90’s, we had NO talent, this team has some talent, not the best in the NFL, but better than most.
i think demps doesn’t have it mentally. i think macho could be a good player with a little playing time, but i’m not ready to predict the pro bowl for the guy. he may not have been great, but come on, the guy started at an unfamiliar position as a rookie for a team that won 11 games. maybe people are a little too hard on him. i think that he may pan out to be at least a decent player
Everyone chill.
They are gonna draft weatherspoon, trade for patrick willis, and then sign kirk morrison. Stew will make a hell of a special teamer. They didn’t want to have to cut witherspoon later, so they just did it now.
Like I said earlier, everyone was panicking last year when they didn’t sign Houshmandzadeh or trade for Boldin. Housh was practically begging for the Eagles to make him an offer and everyone was freaking that they showed no interest.
I don’t think we can even count the amount of fanposts on Boldin trades.
Neither happened and by the end of this year we had arguably our best group of WRs in a decade anyway. Maybe we won’t be so lucky with LB or safety this year… but we don’t know yet. It’s a long offseason and it’s literally just begun.
Meh. I heard about this awhile ago and after taking the time to process it, it doesn’t bother me. If he had stuck around, he would’ve been one of the highest paid LBs under Andy Reid. He’s a solid starter, but nothing irreplaceable. Still don’t know how high Andy would draft a LB.
I am the people's troll :3™
is anyone else worried?
the eagles now have to go into the draft with three major holes on defense to fill; DE, S, and LB. Not to mention a RB or two. Thats just too many things to fix in one draft.
by F Kolb, DMAC 4Ever on Mar 6, 2010 12:17 AM EST reply actions
I am concerned
Add more to their to do list. Makes perfect sense
One thing I am sure of...
is that banner has a plan… he’s the man… with the plan… understan?
I’m just as worried as everyone else that EVERY good free agent is off the board and most of them are to teams that we play next year. We continue to hear stories that we made an offer for a player… randy moss before peppers… and they ended up not signing
If we just didnt go after the top free agents at positions we need and had faith in a strong draft class… I’d be ok with it… but the fact that we get outbid makes it so much worse that the FO knows the holes but isnt willing to shell out the kind of money other teams are to get the players they want
and if we go into the season with all 3 of these quarterbacks i’m not watching football this year
That is likely posturing
I would be pretty surprised if they don’t use a high draft pick on sign a FA DE.
They are fine?
They made an offer to Peppers and were linking with Vanda Bosch (sp?) and Kampman. They know they are not fine.
Just because an improvement is available doesn’t mean they don’t consider their current roster OK.
I am the people's troll :3™
No but
when the only 3 free agents you look at are all big DE rushers, then they are not that content. And how could they be? That’s like them coming out and saying their fine with the LB corp.
I remember Tom Heckert saying how they were fine with their WRs 3 days before they traded for stallworth.
Exactly thats what I mean
They can say they are fine to not look desperate, but I think it was really evident that our front four weren’t getting pressure.
We were tied for 3rd in the league in sacks, and that didn’t come from our linebackers or secondary.
I am the people's troll :3™
Sacks aren't everything and are a misleading stat
According to ProFootballFocus, we’re ranked 19th in the league in pass rush, where our whole division is ahead of us, where other teams like the Browns, 49ers, and Chiefs are ahead of us.
Lets look at a few other stats:
Eagles: 50 sacks, 66 QB Hit, 177 QB Pressure
Cowboys: 53 sacks, 92 QB Hit, 186 QB Pressure
Vikings: 54 sacks, 76 QB Hit, 185 QB Pressure
Redskins: 44 Sacks, 58 QB Hit, 114 QB Pressure
Giants: 35 sacks, 65 QB Hit, 124 QB Pressure
and so on… And this is with out being one of the most blitz-ing teams in the league. I would love to see the stats from just the front four. When we blitz, we lose someone in coverage and get beat. Also, I don’t need stats to tell me what my eyes already know. Pressure was NON-existent from our front 4 the last 4-5 games of the year. Can you honestly say you saw anything different? I saw Romo call a bunch of his hot-reads, drop back, scan the field and pick apart our DB’s with noone near him.
Oops I included the playoffs by accident
But point is still the same.
Um, so how are the Giants and Redskins ahead of us? We’re ahead of each of them in all three stats you listed…
I am the people's troll :3™
Well I'm sure they take into account more than that
And amount of blitzing is prolly something they look at. But I can’t say I know exactly how they calculate everything but they seem to put a lot of effort into a lot of their work.
http://profootballfocus.com/by_team.php?tab=by_team
Thats the link if your unfamiliar with it.
chester taylor
is now a chicago bear. and reports are saying favre is staying in minnesota.
You'll be missed, 36.
by Bye, Westbrook :( on Mar 6, 2010 1:23 PM EST reply actions
Couple of questions for the "How the hell could we release 'Spoon' crowd?"
1. Do you think that ‘Spoon will get another starting job in the league next year? (I don’t).
2. Do you really think the Eagles have that much of a failoff in performance with Jordan/Fokou at the weakside vs. ’Spoon? (I would argue they are at least as well off and not better).
3. Do you think ’Spoon could play any kind of appreciable time at the SAM or MLB position next year if needed even though he failed this season in both of those roles? (Obvious answer).
LB is an issue for this team but it is at SAM and a backup MLB in case Bradley is slow to start the season next year. This team doesn’t have an issue at weakside LB.
I'm trying to find it...
But some guy on twitter who asks Adam Caplan a lot of questions said that Reid said on the radio yesterday that they could bring Spoon back at a cheaper price. Only interview I know of that Reid did was the one with Mikey Miss and I don’t remember Spoon getting brought up.
Maybe the Giants sign him for depth
and to let us in on some Philly secrets.
..like say, the Philly Roast Pork sandwich is better then the Cheese-steak?
Master of the squeegee
Bradshaw, me boy
what are you doing here? Celebrating your acquiring of an overrated version of our very own Macho Harris? Only, overpriced, the same blown coverages, more missed tackles, and faster…that is a Giant Bargain
by birds'n'raiders on Mar 7, 2010 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
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