The Punt Hunt
After reading the linked article on Sav Rocca's punting, i decided to take a look at his performance on my own, so I tracked all his punts to see what happened.
Note: I have marked as "FPI" (for Field Position Issues) any punt from the other team's side of the field, therefore, one where Rocca would not be aiming for maximum yardage. I've called any non-FPI punt of 35 yards or below a shank.
Week 1: 37 (FPI, landed inside 20), 37 (not FPI but close, from the Eagles 46), 49, 48 <-- you could call this a good game
Week 2: 34 (from the Eagles 9 - shank), 55, 49 (from Eagles 9), 61 (from Eagles 10), 26 (from Eagles 28 - shank) <-- clearly a bad game for him
Week 3: 53 (he got injured and Akers took over the punting)
Week 4: bye week
Week 5: 50, 56, 46, 45, 47 (a good game for him)
Week 6: 41, 49, 30 (FPI, inside 20), 35 (FPI - Touchback), 40 (FPI - landed inside the 20), 55, 45, 58 <-- another good game
Week 7: 30 (FPI), 27 (FPI), 38, 46, 23 (FPI - from the 41 to the 18. I would be tempted to call this one a shank as well), 25 (shank), 49, 36 (from Eagles 10) <-- another bad game,
Week 8: 57, 46, 39
Week 9: 41, 48, 44
Week 10: 30 (from Eagles 10 - shank), 40, 52, 38 <--- call this a bad game as well
Week 11: 45, 16 (no I did not make that up - shank, from Eagles 40 to Chicago 44), 38, 32 (shank - from Eagles 45 to Chicago 23), 38 <--- clearly a bad game
Week 12: 42, 36 (FPI), 52, 47, 40
Week 13: 42, 53, 40 (FPI - perfect, to the 1) <--- a good game
Week 14: 36, 51, 46, 34 (FPI)
Week 15: 44, 39, 45 (FPI - touchback), 33 (FPI)
Week 16: 40 (from Eagles 1 - not a shank but a disappointment because the 11 yard return and 5 yard penalty gave our opponents very good field position), 60, 49, 28 (shank), 40 (FPI - inside 20) <--- a bad game
Week 17: 51, 41, 47 (from Eagles 9), 61, 51, 53, 38 (FPI) <--- a good game
Wild Card game: 53, 50, 52, 41 (FPI - touchback), 39 (FPI) <--- another good game
His regular season average was 42.1, which put him towards the bottom but not quite there. He had 26 punts inside the 20, 10 inside the 10, and 3 touchbacks. NFC leader Andy Lee had 47.6, 30, 8, and 8 respectively. I think the FPI punts may have dragged down his average somewhat.
This might be irrelevant, but regarding his "strong leg" reputation, his longest punt was 61 yards - 17 punters had at least one longer than that.
Number of shanks: 7 or 8, depending on how you classify the 23-yard punt from the 41 to the 18 in week 7. His total number of punts: 77 (72 regular season, 5 in postseason). So that means that either 9.1% or 10.4% of his punts were shanks.
Number of punts 50 yards or longer: 20, 7 of which were in the last two Dallas games.(so 17 in the regular season) - which means 26% of his punts were 50 yards or longer.
His reputation for inconsistency seems to come from games like Week 2, where he had a 55 yarder and a 61-yarder (his season best), but also had two shanks, or Week 16, where he had a shank and a 60-yarder. As to his reputation for shanking from deep in Eagles territory, it is based on these punts:
the last one in Week 7 (36 yards from the Eagles 10) and the first one in week 16 (40 yards from the Eagles 1), plus two shanks from deep in Eagles territory, his first in Week 2 (34 yards from the 9) and his first in week 10 (30 yards from the 10).
Personally, I would rather have somebody that punts consistently between 40 and 45 yards, rather than somebody who is all over the place on punting yardage, even if the latter has a higher average. What do the rest of you think?
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I think Durant Brooks has a legit chance to challegne Sav
eff you we winning anyway
A.I. IS BACKKKKKKK
You gotta look at percentages. Percentages of punts inside the 20 were very good, and his net average was actually very good. Many of his punts weren’t returnable. There was an article on IgglesBlog (I believe) that went very in depth on this subject. Check the Lincs articles from the last few days.
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eh here you go
http://www.igglesblog.com/iggles_blog/2010/03/rubs-eyes-so-wait-is-rocca-an-ok-punter.html
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I actually did read that
But it seemed to me to be a bit too much of a statistical razzle-dazzle, with their optimal outcome stuff. Yes, I noticed that Rocca had many punts that weren’t returned, but that can be attributed to the coverage team just as much as the punter.
Depends. Hangtime and placement have a lot to do with the returnability of a punt.
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Point taken
But I was trying to evaluate the punter individually, so I didn’t go into the return / net yardage issue.
IDC who the punter is.. Sav hasnt lost us a game yet, he's tough as nails
but his inconsistancy is terrible..
If we can get another australian then maybe we can have an outback throwdown during the offseason.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
Sav's brother Anthony Rocca
just retired from Australian football so he can follow his brother into the NFL.
Yes, now we can move Sav to LDE and his brother will be the Punter... We'll be set for years.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
And the tenacity.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
what do I think?
I think you have waayyyy too much time on your hands to go through and set up this whole post.
But seriously, good job!
Just once before he's gone...
… I’d like to see that big ol mutha run a fake punt, and lay a forearm shivver into an undersized special teamer.
It's "Kolb"ering time!
the former punter
Dirk Johnson used to do fakes all the time in college, but I never have seen him do it in the NFL with the Eagles (or anyone else, for that matter). I really wonder if Coach Andy has any fake punts in the playbook, because Sav had no problem running through anyone in Australia.
by philabronc53 on Mar 5, 2010 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
Fake FG would work better
Fake punts with the punter scrambling are kind of risky because the punter stays so far back from the line of scrimmage – unless you want to try one of these:
1( Rocca charges up during the snap and runs it
2( Some other player crosses behind center and steals the snap, then pitches, laterals, or even passes it to Rocca. Or maybe he passes to someone else and Rocca just puts a hell of a block on somebody.
Fake field goal
With Vick holding actually sounds kind of interesting.
sounds like any DC
worth his weight would have that shit pinpointed before the Eagles even knew they were doing it. No, these plays should only be used in the most desperate of times. Vick would have to become a full time holder for this to work at all. 2 things against that. 1) Vick thinks he is too good to be relegated to such trivial means. 2) I would be praying like hell that Akers would just run up and boot the living shit out of Vick, everytime he held the ball. I would give Akers the Block Award for that right there. And the team MVP.
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You can’t move towards the line of scrimmage while the ball is snapped.
“Illegal motion… on the punter? Seriously guys? Illegal motion on the punter?”
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