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Notable RFA tenders from around the league...

Teams have gone all tender happy last night and I decided to make a compilation of some tenders that have been applied to players the Eagles might target or as has some connection to the Birds. As most of you know, once a player gets tendered at a level, another team could sign that player but would have to give up the designated draft pick. The player's current team could elect to match that offer or let him go. As for the players salary, they will get at least 110% of their previous year's pay or the amount designated to each tender level, whichever is greater. 

For example: Miles Austin got tendered for a 1st and 3rd. A WR needy team like the Ravens could sign Austin to a 6 year $60 million deal. If the Cowboys don't match that offer, Ravens get Austin but would have to send a 1st and 3rd round pick to them. 

Due to the upcoming uncapped season, free agency is quite limited so there are many more tenders being applied. Because of limited free agency options, most likely there will be some restricted free agents signed. Most of the quotes are from Pro Football Talk and a couple from National Football Post. I will update this post as more players get tendered. 

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Kirk Morrison LB (Raiders) I posted a fan shot about him but I also posted this here because he is, in my opinion, the most easily acquirable star player out there.  Get it done F.O.

Middle linebacker Kirk Morrison, who has led the team in tackles for five straight seasons, was not so lucky.  Adam Schefter reports the team extended an "original pick" tender to Morrison, meaning any interested team would only have to give up a third-rounder if they signed him away.

Make no mistake, the Raiders would love for that to happen.

Morrison is due $2.5 million next season and would have made the exact same money if he got the second round tender.  (It's explained well here by the Oakland Tribune.)

Essentially, the Raiders placed a lower tender on Morrison despite no financial savings.  They wanted to create the highest chance for a trade and knew no one would give up a second-round pick for him

 

Thomas Howard LB (Raiders) Looks like the Raiders like Howard a bit more than Kirk. He is a damn good coverage linebacker. 

The Oakland Raiders have tendered outside linebacker Thomas Howard at the second-round level, David White of the San Francisco Chronicle is reporting. 

The one-year tender offer comes with a salary of $1.759 million, which would be a significant boost from Howard's 2009 base salary of $535,000. But Howard, who has played in all 64 games and started 62 since the Raiders drafted him in 2006, could make a whole lot more than that if he reaches a long-term deal with the Raiders or another team.

If another team signs Howard to an offer sheet, the Raiders would have a week to match it or get that team's second-round draft pick.

 

Richard Marshall CB / Thomas Davis LB (Both Panthers) Both players played at a pro bowl level last season. Marshall(25 years old) could be a steal for a second rounder. 

As we sift through the rubble of Wednesday's restricted free agency eruption, we're putting together a mental list of players that could be targeted for offer sheets.


Add Carolina cornerback Richard Marshall to the list.  He was tendered at a second-round level, which isn't too high for a starter coming off an impressive season.

UPDATE: Linebacker Thomas Davis was handed a first-round tender.

Nick Collins FS (Packers)  (Sad face....)

The Packers have extended a first- and third-round tender to restricted free agent FS Nick Collins.
Collins' agent stated last week the he was "optimistic" about the sides striking a long-term deal. The highest tender prevents Collins from being able to test free agency, but the Packers seem serious about an extension.

 

Ray Edwards DE (Vikings) Sorry, Edwards lovers. He's staying a Viking.

The Minnesota Vikings have put together a new version of their Purple People Eaters from days gone by.

And with defensive end Ray Edwards, who emerged in a big way during a division-round crushing of the Cowboys, eligible for restricted free agency, the Vikings are making him a priority.

Edwards has been tendered at the first-round level, according to Adam Schefter of ESPN.

He'll get a one-year contract worth $2.521 million, up from $1.01 million in 2009.

 

Matt Moore QB (Panthers) Sorry Vick, Moore's a keeper.

If money talks, Carolina just declared loud and clear how they feel about Matt Moore.

The Charlotte Observer reports the Panthers placed a first- and third-round tender on the restricted free agent, ensuring that he's not going anywhere.  Moore will make $3.043 million, quite a bump for the undrafted player.

The fact that Carolina didn't want to risk some team sniffing around Moore for a first-round pick says he's got a good chance to open next season as a starter.  After that, who knows?

This qualifies as bad news for any quarterback that likes the Panthers uniforms.

Haha, gotta love that reference to Vick.

Harvey Dahl G/ Tyson Clabo T/ Jerious Norwood RB (All Falcons) Outstanding right side of the O-line. 

Clabo, Norwood and Dahl all have four accrued NFL seasons and received first round tenders. With the first round tender their salary for 2010 will be $2.521 million or 110 percent of their 2009 salary, whichever is greater.

 

Danieal Manning FS/ Nick Roach LB (Both Bears) Manning is a fantastic option for the Eagles. 

Is a guy who can play free safety, strong safety, nickelback, cornerback and return kickoffs at a Pro Bowl level worth a third-round pick? 

Any team in need of safety help this offseason -- Cowboys, Falcons, Giants, Vikings, etc -- might be tempted to consider adding Danieal Manning to their roster after the Bears officially placed the low-level tender on their former second-round selection. 


If another team were to make an offer to Manning, it would be a win-win situation for both parties involved. For Manning, it would hopefully give him an opportunity to play in a more stable environment, where he's not getting jerked around non-stop by the coaching staff. For the Bears -- who clearly don't want Manning back -- it would give them a fairly high choice in a very deep draft. 

As for the other tender levels, most were no-brainers, especially placing a second-round tender on linebacker Nick Roach.

 

 

Antoine Bethea FS (Colts) "Hands off people!" the Colts say. 

The Indianapolis Colts have placed the first-round tender on Antoine Bethea, indicating that the safety who started all 16 games last season won't be going anywhere.

Another team could sign Bethea to an offer sheet, but if the Colts declined to match an offer within seven days they'd get back the team's first-round draft pick. Bethea was selected to the Pro Bowl, but it seems unlikely that another team would be willing to give up a first-round pick to get him.

 

Jason Campbell QB (Redskins) Poor Campbell, stuck on a team that don't really want him.

The Washington Redskins have placed the first-round tender on quarterback Jason Campbell, Adam Schefter of ESPN is reporting.

The decision of new Redskins coach Mike Shanahan to put the first-round tender, rather than the first- and third-round tender, indicates that he's open to moving on without the quarterback the Redskins chose in the first round of the 2005 draft. 

 

 

Rocky Mcintosh LB (Redskins) Outstanding linebacker. Definitely worth taking a look at.

The realities of the uncapped season is starting to hit home for players like Redskins linebacker Rocky McIntosh.

Jason Reid of the Washington Post reports that McIntosh was given the second-round tender as a restricted free agent.  That should be worth $1.759 million. As a former player rep and four-year veteran, McIntosh understands his bad timing.  

McIntosh is also suddenly stuck in a 3-4 defense that may not suit his skills.  That partly explains Washington's hesitance to give him a longer deal.  

"If you don't want me . . . you don't want to give me anything that's close to fair, just let me go," McIntosh told Reid.  "Let me start over somewhere else."

 

Tarvaris Jackson QB (Vikings) Still no interest in Mcnabb from the Vikes. 

If Brett Favre retires, Tarvaris Jackson would be the favorite to start at quarterback for the Vikings in 2010.

But if another team wants to take Jackson from the Vikings, it would require nothing more than a contract offer with a poison pill, combined with a third-round draft pick.

Jackson is set to become a restricted free agent, and NFL Network reports that the Vikings tendered him at the third-round level. If another team signs Jackson to an offer sheet, the Vikings would have seven days to match the offer or get that team's third-round pick.

UPDATE: After several readers raised questions about this item, we need to clarify. Jackson was tendered at the original-round level, and he was a second-round draft pick. But because the Vikings used a second-round tender on Fred Evans, they cannot receive second-round compensation for Jackson. If another team signs Jackson to an offer sheet and the Vikings don't match the offer, the Vikings will get that team's third-round pick.

 

Okay, two more for now. Getting kinda irritated from all this copy, pasting, and block quoting.

Demeco Ryans LB/ Owen Daniels TE/ Bernard Pollard S (All Texans) Huge ones here...

 

The Houston Texans assigned the high tender to restricted free agent linebacker DeMeco Ryans and tight end Owen Daniels.

Both received the first-round and third-round tender of $3.168 million, according to the Houston Chronicle. Per the report, starting safety Bernard Pollard got the first-round tender of $2.521 million.

 

 

Leon Washington RB/ Return Specialist(Jets) Dangerous all-purpose player. 

 

The New York Jets have placed the second-round tender on Leon Washington, making him a potentially attractive target for any team looking to add a young and talented running back.

With Thomas Jones on the way out, some might have expected the Jets to put a first-round tender on Washington. But the Jets are apparently heading into 2010 with a mindset that Shonn Greene is their featured running back, and that means any team that wants Washington would have to give up only a second-round pick if they sign him to an offer sheet that the Jets don't match.

Washington's agent, Alvin Keels, indicated on Twitter that he thinks there's a good chance that Washington will sign on elsewhere, tweeting that Washington's "return to the Jets will be 50/50 at best at this point."

Keels also tweeted that Washington is ahead of schedule in recovering from the fractured fibula and tibia he suffered last season.

 

 

Other News...

Michael Lombardi reported on NFL Network that the Cardinals only want a third round pick for Boldin. Of course, it's a 3rd round pick PLUS a huge new contract but I think some team will jump on that. 

Brad Biggs of the Chicago Tribune says that Antrel Rolle is expecting a deal around $8 mil per year. Although, he is a good player, that is WAY too high for him. That's more than Adrian Wilson, Troy Polamalu and Ed Reed.

Pat Yasinkas of ESPN reported that the Panthers offered Peppers a long term deal for around $14 mil per year but Peppers turned it down. Boy, he either really hates Carolina and wants a change of scenery or is looking for a ridiculous Haynesworth-like deal. I still want him bad and I doubt he will get something higher than $15 mil per year and $30 mil guaranteed. 

Poll
Which one of these players do you guys think have the highest chance of being an Eagle next season?
Kirk Morrison
54 votes
Thomas Howard
9 votes
Richard Marshall
8 votes
Julius Peppers
226 votes
Danieal Manning
25 votes
Antrel Rolle
238 votes
Rocky McIntosh
18 votes

578 votes | Poll has closed

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as much as I like Morrison

he doesn’t fit our system but wouldnt mind Howard, who could possibly play sam.

by NJEagle on Mar 4, 2010 3:48 AM EST reply actions  

What?

Raiders play a 4-3 as well. How hard could it be? Besides, Morrison is best suited to play SAM anyway. He doesn’t have all the qualities of a MIKE but would excel as a strong side linebacker.

Bye 36, you will be missed...

by Route36 on Mar 4, 2010 3:58 AM EST up reply actions  

If we are planning

on taking a safety in the first round, we might as well sign Bethea. He’s a proven commodity. Although if the thinking is that he has reached his celing and one of the top 3 has more potential to be better, then obviously that doesn’t make any sense. It goes the same with all of them. If we are planning on looking at one of the safeties in the third round, but we feel Manning is and will remain better then any of them, that would be a nice pick up. That would allow us to possibly go OL or DL with the first and LB or OL with the 2nd.
I say Bethea is worth the 1st. Howard is worth the 2nd. Davis is worth the 1st. Manning is worth the 3rd. Marshall is worth the 2nd. Not saying necessarily for our team, but if we did decide to give up any of those for them I wouldn’t be mad. Everybody else is too high in my opinion. My 2 favorite to get here are Bethea and Howard. The realistic would be Manning though.

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by Talon Talent on Mar 4, 2010 7:14 AM EST reply actions  

What about our Tenders?

When are we gonna find out about Weaver and Avant and the rest of our crew? Unless this information came out already… info?

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by Eaglesgrl5 on Mar 4, 2010 8:56 AM EST reply actions  

They’ll come today.

by JimmyK on Mar 4, 2010 9:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Ronnie Brown...

1st round tender. Really interesting player here. Perfect fit for our offense and a great player when healthy, but at 28 (especially for a RB with a history of injuries), the 1st round price is probably too high.

by JimmyK on Mar 4, 2010 9:09 AM EST reply actions  

I’ve always liked Ronnie and would love him as an Eagle, but our 1st rounder is too high for him. Especially at his age with all the injuries he has had to endure.

by Smitty2K3 on Mar 4, 2010 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

you're better than that bd

to even think about it

E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!

by Joe_D on Mar 4, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

But Joe, the Wildcat!

by JimmyK on Mar 4, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Did you know...

That Antrel Rolle was used in the wildcat in Arizona? Just sayin…

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by DeSean10 on Mar 4, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

We actually really should get him.

by JimmyK on Mar 4, 2010 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

if we give up our first rouind pick it better be for a really young TOP player

and a position of need.. Ronnie brown doesnt fit that description!

E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!

by Joe_D on Mar 4, 2010 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

dont listen to this guy BD

Ronnie could be a good 2-3 year guy.

thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro

"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb

by wild_eagle on Mar 4, 2010 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

FOR A FIRST ROUND PICK?

a first round pick for a 2-3 year RB@?!!?!?!?!? Whats wrong with you idiots? Did you not see our D last year? WTF

E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!

by Joe_D on Mar 4, 2010 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

WTF your an idiot..

if we got Ronnie Brown he could make our O unstoppable..

Our D was destroyed by injuries, we will either get a Safety in the Draft/FA and all the other “needs” arent truely “needs” except for LB which can be taken care of later in the draft considering this years draft is deep deep deep with them and Bradley is coming back.

Calm the fuck down, I wasnt saying we should do it, the price is steep but he’s a good enough player to get us a SB and we’d like to have McCoy learn under someone like brown, once again not saying we SHOULD do it just that I would not be upset if we did.

thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro

"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb

by wild_eagle on Mar 4, 2010 6:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't always see eye to eye with Joe_D but...

I don’t want Brown. Not for a first. We already have some solid running backs, and we could spend that 1st rounder on a LB, DE, or DB who could anchor our defense for years. Not 2-3 years, 10ish. I don’t wanna give up a first for an oft-injured gadget runner with a lot of mileage.

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by DeSean10 on Mar 4, 2010 7:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, not going to happen. Andy Reid wouldn’t draft a RB in the first. Why would anyone think he would give up his first AND pay Ronnie Brown’s sure-to-be-expensive contract?

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by yomjoseki on Mar 4, 2010 7:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed. Anyway, why focus these high profile offensive weapons when the offense skill player positions seem to be just fine? We need to fix the O-line before worrying about RBs.

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by EANX33 on Mar 4, 2010 7:53 PM EST up reply actions  

No, we need an RB. Personally, I wouldn’t mind if the Eagles spent a 2nd on one, although judging from the general consensus around here, I think most Eagles fans would riot if they did that.

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by yomjoseki on Mar 4, 2010 8:03 PM EST up reply actions  

What you dumbass???

I’m saying we need to draft a RB. so Fuck you asshole.

thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro

"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb

by wild_eagle on Mar 5, 2010 6:41 AM EST up reply actions  

yea

u wanna give up a first for ronnie brown

by jack is better than asante on Mar 6, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry, Edwards lovers. He’s staying a Viking.

Are we sure he isn’t worth a 1st rounder? He just turned 25 in January,his natural position is LDE, he had 8.5 sacks last season and 4 more in 2 playoff games, and abused our biggest rival, who just so happened to beat us 3 times last year. I’d be totally on board with giving up our 1 for him.

by JimmyK on Mar 4, 2010 9:19 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah, we’re sure. He’s playing on the best D-line in football and he has Jared Allen drawing double teams all day, every day. He’d come here and put up Jaqua Parker numbers at best, and that’s simply not worth the pick and the contract.

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by yomjoseki on Mar 4, 2010 9:58 AM EST up reply actions  

False

He’s better than JP.

I do agree he plays on a better D-line in Minny with the Williams wall and Jared Allen… but Trent Cole isn’t far behind and I personally think Patt and Bunk are pretty solid DT’s.

I wouldn’t be against giving our 1st for Edwards. I think he’s more of a sure thing than any DE we’d get there in the draft and he’s only 25.

Who would you rather have… Carlos Dunlap, Everson Griffen, or Ray Edwards? I’m not so sure I wouldn’t pick Edwards outta those three guys.

by Smitty2K3 on Mar 4, 2010 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Did you know who Ray Edwards was before the Cowboys game? I sure as hell didn’t.

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by yomjoseki on Mar 4, 2010 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Does name recognition really matter though? If he can play, he can play. 18 games, 12.5 sacks is pretty good in my book, whether your name is DeMarcus Ware or Joey Jo-Jo Junior Shabadoo.

And although I agree the Vikings D Line is the best in the NFL, is it fair to just throw out Edwards’ accomplishments on that basis?

by JimmyK on Mar 4, 2010 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I think it’s smart to assume his numbers numbers are at least somewhat inflated from the lack of personal attention.

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by yomjoseki on Mar 4, 2010 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

OK, so of his 12.5 sacks, how many would you shave off?

by JimmyK on Mar 4, 2010 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Let’s look where his sacks came from.

Against division opponents (2 games each):

Detroit – 3
Green Bay – 2
Chicago – 2

Green Bay lead the league in sacks allowed, Detroit was 9th worst, and the Bears gave up the 14th most.

So, 7 of his 8.5 sacks came in what is probably the most sack happy division.

Yeah, he came up huge in the game against the Cowboys, but I don’t think we should throw a 1st round pick at one good game.

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by yomjoseki on Mar 4, 2010 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Trent Cole had 12.5 sacks last season, too...

3 came against Washington – 5th worst
1 came against Chicago, and as you noted we can dismiss that one.
1 against Oakland – 3rd worst
2 against San Fran – 11th worst
1 against Denver – They gave up one fewer sack than Chicago
.5 against KC – 6th worst
1 against Tampa – They gave up two fewer sacks than Chicago
1 against Carolina – They gave up one fewer sack than Chicago

So that just leaves the sack he had against New Orleans and the one against Dallas. Should we just dismiss Cole’s too?

by JimmyK on Mar 4, 2010 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

1) Trent Cole isn’t playing on the other side of Jared Allen.

2) Trent Cole didn’t disappear in 10 games.

I’m not saying to dismiss them completely, I’m saying it’d be foolish to throw a first round pick at him.

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by yomjoseki on Mar 4, 2010 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

1) Edwards could play on the other side of Trent Cole…

2) I win the interwebs!

by Sparki on Mar 4, 2010 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

We already rotate in players as productive as Ray Edwards.

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by yomjoseki on Mar 4, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Parker. His stats are nearly identical, arguably better.

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by yomjoseki on Mar 4, 2010 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

(and I can all but guarantee he played less snaps)

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by yomjoseki on Mar 4, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Yomjoseki, I love ya brother. I really do. But come on now.

by JimmyK on Mar 4, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

What? Look at the numbers.

Parker had half a sack less, and like half a dozen less tackles. However, he forced 2 fumbles to Edwards 1 and had 6 passes defensed to Edwards 2.

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by yomjoseki on Mar 4, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Parker...

1) Parker has like 20 less tackles
2) Do we have to give him up???

Clemons and Abiamiri combined match maybe half of Edwards numbers. Our right side has about 22 sacks.. the left .. 13. Edwards stats wont go down as he’ll be working opposite Cole & Howard…. Edwards & Parker will finally give the other side of our opponents O Lines a workout

by Sparki on Mar 4, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Parker had 35 solo tackles and 4 assists.

Edwards had 43 tackles and 8 assists.

Even if you combine them, that’s a dozen less tackles. In less plays. With better pass coverage.

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by yomjoseki on Mar 4, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

The “come on now” is in regard to comparing Edwards and Parker as players, not their stats.

And for the record, Parker had 4.5 fewer sacks in 1 less game, not 0.5. The playoffs mean something too.

by JimmyK on Mar 4, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Really? You know a lot about Edwards the player? How many Vikings games did you watch? Scouting reports? Other shit?

I’m basing off stats because 1. they’re fair and 2. I don’t have anything else to go off of.

I think we can do a lot better than Ray Edwards with our first round pick. He never did anything noteworthy before this season, and this season was slightly above average at best. I don’t see why everyone is blowing their load for this guy.

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by yomjoseki on Mar 4, 2010 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I saw my fair share of Vikings games. So yes, I’m extremely comfortable in saying he’s way better than Juqua Parker and could help our team for the next 7-8 years.

by JimmyK on Mar 4, 2010 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd argue

that the playoffs mean even more. He’s proven he plays well in big games.

But even still… if you consider all games of equal value, there’s no question who the better player is….

That would be Edwards.

by Smitty2K3 on Mar 4, 2010 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Really? All it takes to convince Eagles fans that someone plays well in big games is one good game? Then why are there so many people that say McNabb doesn’t play well in big games. Hmmm…

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by yomjoseki on Mar 4, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Fair Point

You can’t put too much value on one game. I agree.

But dude… there’s really no argument here… Ray Edwards is better and younger than Juqua Parker.

He also is more of a sure thing than a DE that might be available at 24 in the draft.

Granted… if we can fill the LDE position without giving up our #1 then I’d love to do it (i.e. Peppers, Kampman, Vanden Bosch, etc), but if not, I’d be okay giving up our #1 for a young, improving DE like Edwards.

by Smitty2K3 on Mar 4, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t see anything to lead me believe he’s SO much better than Parker that he’s worth a 1st round pick.

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by yomjoseki on Mar 4, 2010 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

What leads you to believe a rookie is “SO much better than Parker” too?

You’d rather use that draft pick on a complete question mark in Carlos Dunlap or Everson Griffen?

by Smitty2K3 on Mar 4, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Or use it, as Andy Reid is likely to do, on one of the safer positions to draft (OL, LB, DL, S)?

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by yomjoseki on Mar 4, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

DL?

Isn’t DE on the DL?

But anyway… I hear what you’re saying. We don’t HAVE TO use our 1 on a DE. The problem is how are you going to address that position then? If you say FA, then I agree with you… I’d much rather do that too.

If you say we don’t need to upgrade the position at all, that’s where we disagree completely.

If you say we can upgrade by using a 2nd or later round pick on the position… that’s also where we disagree.

by Smitty2K3 on Mar 4, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I actually didn’t mean to include that. I was just pointing out that in recent years, some of the surest draft picks were offensive linemen, linebackers, and safeties, which are three of our primary needs. I don’t think DE is a mega-priority.

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by yomjoseki on Mar 4, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

OK

I see what you mean.

Fair enough.

And I’m kinda with you in saying that giving up our #1 for Edwards probably will not happen. But I’m with Bye Dawk in saying that it’s really not outta the realm of possibility. It does make sense if it were to happen and if it did, I’d be happy with it.

by Smitty2K3 on Mar 4, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Trent Cole isn’t playing on the other side of Jared Allen.

OK, so I’ll try my question again, phrased differently… Of his 12.5 sacks, how many would it be fair to say he wouldn’t have gotten if he played for Philly?

by JimmyK on Mar 4, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

All of them? He’s not benefiting from having better players drawing attention away. He got those numbers DESPITE extra attention.

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by yomjoseki on Mar 4, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

My bad... Phrased that poorly...

Of Ray Edwards’ 12.5 sacks, how many would it be fair to say he wouldn’t have gotten if he played for Philly?

by JimmyK on Mar 4, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

So you want to give up a first round pick for a guy with identical production to Juqua Parker?

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by yomjoseki on Mar 4, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

No, I wouldn’t mind giving up a 1 for a player that’s…

- 25 years old
- Has gotten better every single year of his career
- Had 12.5 sacks last year in 18 games
- Would be a significant upgrade at LDE, which happens to be a huge need area.

If they can fix the position in free agency and not give up a 1 for Edwards, fine. Would I take Edwards over whatever DE could still be sitting there at 24? Absolutely.

by JimmyK on Mar 4, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, I can tell you now it’s not going to happen, because looking at it from the Eagles perspective.

Pros:
Moderately productive player

Cons:
Lose 1st round pick
Multi-year deal that costs much more than the first round pick would’ve cost
No guarantee of the same level production when he’s not benefiting from playing against stronger division rivals

And it’s not going to happen, and I’m glad.

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by yomjoseki on Mar 4, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

I like Ray Edwards, you don't...

I think there’s nothing more to say.

by JimmyK on Mar 4, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

You like like him.

I like but don’t want to give up a first round pick for him like him.

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by yomjoseki on Mar 4, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

meh

I’m with Yom here

Edwards had 8.5 sacks in the regular season, you know who I’m thinking of right about now. A guy by the name of Chris Clemons.

Would I give up a 2nd for Edwards … yes but a 1st no thanks.

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by Whodie126 on Mar 4, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Edwards had 8.5 sacks in the regular season

*and 4 more in 2 playoff games.

by JimmyK on Mar 4, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree he looked good last year … I wouldn’t give up a first for him, and I think that was the point of this tender.

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by Whodie126 on Mar 4, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Joey Jo-Jo Junior Shabadoo

Thanks I’m still not over not drafting this guy.

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by Whodie126 on Mar 4, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Sorry to open up an old wound.

by JimmyK on Mar 4, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Actually I did… I had my eye on him all season knowing he’d be a FA… then he went off during the playoffs and I wanted him even more.

Unfortunately the CBA was never solved and he became a RFA so my desire to sign him got much weaker. But a 1st rounder for this guy would not be all that steep imo.

by Smitty2K3 on Mar 4, 2010 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

No, but I knew who Vernon Gholston was. Does that mean Gholston’s a better player?

by Cormican on Mar 4, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes. That’s exactly what I mean. The more popular a player is, the better he is at football.

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by yomjoseki on Mar 4, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Nope. Not at all.

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by yomjoseki on Mar 4, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Hell, in that case, let’s just trade Kolb, insert Jeff George as our starter and sign Ladanian Tomlinson, so we don’t have to start that no-name McCoy guy at RB.

by Cormican on Mar 4, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree. We need to bring in LaDainian Tomlinson. Come to think of it, Mark Brunell was a very popular player when he was on the Jaguars.

I’m so ashamed you swiftly and precisely dissected my argument. The stinging sensation will not leave for weeks, for your deft debating skills have left their mark, sir.

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by yomjoseki on Mar 4, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

agree

E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!

by Joe_D on Mar 4, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

You know something Bye, Dawk… I am in full agreement. I also think they should take a long look at him…

by 92-74-99-96 on Mar 4, 2010 9:34 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Hmmm...

who’s gonna get Kirk Morrison?

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by FreeBradshaw on Mar 4, 2010 10:04 AM EST reply actions  

You can have him. There’ll be LBs in the draft.

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by yomjoseki on Mar 4, 2010 10:05 AM EST up reply actions  

I just hope you guys don’t get Dansby. He’d be a huge upgrade for your LB corps.

Although Morrison and/or Howard aren’t too shabby either.

by Smitty2K3 on Mar 4, 2010 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Danieal Manning has to be worth a look-see.

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by yomjoseki on Mar 4, 2010 10:11 AM EST reply actions  

Think Vs Want

I want Rolle, Peppers, a side room of supermodels, fresh brownies, and world peace…

I think the person with the highest chance is… oh look, we just tendered Go-gone.

by Sparki on Mar 4, 2010 10:27 AM EST reply actions  

Are we sure he isn’t worth a 1st rounder? He just turned 25 in January,his natural position is LDE, he had 8.5 sacks last season and 4 more in 2 playoff games, and abused our biggest rival, who just so happened to beat us 3 times last year. I’d be totally on board with giving up our 1 for him.

I like Edwards so I would consider it if we don’t go after Peppers but I read(but don’t how reliable it was) in a sporting news one day that the Eagles were keeping a close eye on Morgan and Pierre-Paul so I wonder if we are going to trade up for one of them or if my dream scenario happens and Berry falls to a decent spot and we trade up for him.

by The Legend on Mar 4, 2010 10:38 AM EST reply actions  

You have to pay him though – That’s the issue.

by JimmyK on Mar 4, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

They totally blew their chance on Boldin… at least from the Eagles perspective. Last year, we would have made a deal.. but I doubt we even give a look this year.

by Sparki on Mar 4, 2010 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

By they, I mean Arizona

by Sparki on Mar 4, 2010 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

OJ Atogwe

is getting the lowest tender I would rather have him then Rolle

by The Legend on Mar 4, 2010 10:57 AM EST reply actions  

Yes

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by Whodie126 on Mar 4, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

No

I like rolle a lot better. He’s younger too, I believe. Don’t quote me on that though.

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by DeSean10 on Mar 4, 2010 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

He’s 3 or 4 years younger.

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by yomjoseki on Mar 4, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Atogwe is 29 and Rolle is 27

by The Legend on Mar 4, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

2 years 6 months D:

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by yomjoseki on Mar 4, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

actually Atogwe will be 29 he’s not yet … he is 1 year 6 months older than Antrel Rolle. More importantly he’s played FS for his entire career Antrel was moved to FS just over a year ago.

I’m fine with either one but I think Atogwe is the better FS today.

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by Whodie126 on Mar 4, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

meh i can’t math.

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by yomjoseki on Mar 4, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

lol … I just want to get it straight I got into an argument today with a guy because he said Rolle was 5 years younger (25-30)

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by Whodie126 on Mar 4, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I like Rolle's versatility

He can play corner, FS, probably SS if needed, and he was used in the Wildcat in Arizona. Apparently the dude has a cannon for an arm, haha.

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by DeSean10 on Mar 4, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

he was a quarterback. Like I said I’m down with either of these guys, to walk away with neither will be a big mistake IMHO.

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by Whodie126 on Mar 4, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

The Rams evidently had to either franchise him, or offer the lowest tender. They weren’t allowed to offer a tender of… say… a 1st and a 3rd, because they franchised him last year.

They think he won’t get an offer higher than the $6+million or whatever the number is for safeties this year. They’ll wait to see what offer he signs, and they’ll choose whether or not they want to match it.

by JimmyK on Mar 4, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Re: Ray Edwards

To those above involved in the Ray Edwards debate…

Just curious… who would you guys rather have out of Edwards, Carlos Dunlap, or Everson Griffen.

I understand there might be another rookie DE available at 24 like Jason Pierre-Paul or Derrick Morgan, or Brandon Graham, but for the sake of argument, who would you rather have out of the three above, considering they might be our best options available if we want to use our #1 pick on a DE.

Personally, I think I’d much rather have Ray Edwards over the other guys. Granted, they could turn into great players, but they’re also just as likely to turn into busts. Ray Edwards would come right in and start. If the Eagles like Edwards enough, I’d be ecstatic to get him for 24th overall.

If not, and they take a rookie at that spot, that’s great too. I’ll defer to their expertise, but if I had my choice… my choice would be Edwards.

by Smitty2K3 on Mar 4, 2010 11:34 AM EST reply actions  

I would think Edwards above Dunlap and Griffin for sure but not over Jason Pierre-Paul, Derrick Morgan, and Brandon Graham. All three would also come much cheaper than the contract Edwards will get. I believe Edwards is a product of the best D-line in the NFL, and he would just be another Parker or Clemons as an Eagle. If he was very good, he would have gotten 11+ sacks in the regular season, and another 3-4 in the post season.

Edwards – 1st Round pick + Semi-big contract

Morgan/ Pierre-Paul/ Brandon Graham – 1st round pick – Higher Ceiling – Cheaper

Bye 36, you will be missed...

by Route36 on Mar 4, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Yup.

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by yomjoseki on Mar 4, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Fair Enough

But by the looks of it… those three guys won’t be available at 24.

by Smitty2K3 on Mar 4, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not at all convinced the Eagles FO will be looking for DE help at 24. Seems to me the production at DE was adequate last year – not good enough obviously, but not a complete bust either, and if they fix the problems in the secondary it will help out the D-line a lot. I think secondary is a bigger need than DE and the offensive line interior is a bigger need than either of them.

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by EANX33 on Mar 4, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Between Parker, Howard, Abiamiri, Babin, and Clemons, we got 22 sacks.

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by yomjoseki on Mar 4, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Keep in mind

Parker is 31 and Howard is 33. Also Babin is 29 and probably won’t be tendered and/or brought back and Chris Clemons was barely serviceable.

They’re not getting any younger. The position will need addressed… I don’t think we’re going into next year with the group we currently have. At least one or two guys will be added.

by Smitty2K3 on Mar 4, 2010 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

I think safety is the biggest need… followed closely by LB, DE, and OL.

But the topic at hand is “How do we go about upgrading the LDE position?” If we’re going to do it, and do it using our #1 pick then Ray Edwards might not a bad player to use that pick on. That’s my whole point with this argument.

If the FO doesn’t think the position needs addressed at all… I don’t agree with it, but I’m ok with it… as long as we upgrade other positions substantially. I understand that our rotation at DE did an OK job, but it wouldn’t hurt to upgrade the position.

by Smitty2K3 on Mar 4, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m questioning the topic at hand, along the lines of “Do we really have to upgrade at DE immediately and is it worth a 1st rounder to do it?” But to answer your point straight up, yeah, I guess, if the Eagles FO was bound and determined to spend the 1st rounder on a DE anyway, then Edwards would be more of a sure thing than a newly drafted player – but more expensive too. I don’t think they will and I don’t think they should. But I wouldn’t cry if they did.

I agree that we need to be looking for answers long term at DE. Babin is not getting an offer. I doubt Clemons will stick around either.

Of course the FO can and probably will try to address all of the problem areas at once, not just pick one, but they have to prioritize. I just don’t want to see them use the 1st rounder on DE when there are so many other areas that need the upgrade more.

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by EANX33 on Mar 4, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

DE was a big problem..

How much time did practically all the QB’s the last 6ish games have? Romo picked us apart because he could take 4 steps back, scan the field, wait for a receiver to get open and then hit him. No pressure from anyone. Only time we got pressure is when we would blitz, and thats not good enough.

by Team Serbia on Mar 4, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I see it the other way around. JJ used to blitz all the time. McDermott only laid off the blitz because we kept getting burned by opposing QBs. We got our share of sacks last year too.

The problem is that blitzing exposes your secondary. Our LBs and safeties were weak in pass coverage all year – in fact they seemed to get worse as the season went on and the revolving door continued. Holding the extra man back didn’t help. Brown was playing hurt and Asante won’t tackle, enough said. Fix the secondary, and the DEs will get more pressure on the quarterback in general.

Don’t remind me about the Dallas games. Romo both had plenty of time and made good decisions. Ugh. In those games it did look like a total mismatch on the lines.

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by EANX33 on Mar 4, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I won’t be unhappy at all if we upgrade at DE, I just think we have bigger needs elsewhere.

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by EANX33 on Mar 4, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

You need pressure from your front 4

JJ blitzed a lot but you can’t always blitz. It exposes your defense and leaves holes. I don’t like to keep using the same example but look at what the Vikings front 4 did to the Cowboys. They demolished them and in turn embarrassed them in that game.

by Team Serbia on Mar 4, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

True. The difference between what our line could do with the Cowboys versus the Vikings was sick. I’d like to see Patterson and Bunkley used a little differently to get pressure. Send them through the gaps instead of standing ground all the time.

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by EANX33 on Mar 4, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

And BTW

I’m not so sure about Jason Pierre-Paul especially… he was good for one year. He is so utterly and completely raw… he just wreak’s of BUST to me.

But you could say that about anybody really… so who knows.

Bottom line that we all agree upon… WE NEED TO UPGRADE THE LDE POSITION. The problem, however, comes down to how much you want to give up to do it.

by Smitty2K3 on Mar 4, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

have you ever seen pierre paul in an interview?

the man can’t put a phrase together, I know he’s an athletic freak but, you need some brains too

by McMuffin on Mar 4, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Have you heard Chris Johnson speak or better yet….tweet?

Bye 36, you will be missed...

by Route36 on Mar 4, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Our very own DeSean Jackson?

He’s a great athlete and I think he is smart, but the way he butchers the English language…

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by DeSean10 on Mar 4, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Steven Jackson isn’t very linguistically elegant, but the dude can play football.

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by yomjoseki on Mar 4, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

His strengths far outmatch his weaknesses...
Strengths:
 Prototypical size with room to bulk
 Ridiculously quick first step
 Has great speed and athleticism
 Terrific flexibility and balance
 Underrated power
 Plays at a very high level when motivated
 Nice agility and lateral movement
 Equips a variety of pass rush moves
 Strong hands
 Anticipates snap count well
 Great counter moves
 Seems comfortable in coverage
 Can stand up and rush
 Adept at batting down passes
 Vines for arms
Very, very high upside
 Scheme versatile (4-3 DE or 3-4 OLB)


Weaknesses:
 Seems disinterested against the run
 A little too finesse – needs to be more aggressive
 Doesn’t willingly engage double teams
 Hands are a work in progress
 Slow to disengage
 Could play with a lower pad level
 Very raw and inexperienced
 Could get a little stronger
 Occasionally disappears in games

Walter Football

Bye 36, you will be missed...

by Route36 on Mar 4, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Nobody thinks about touching Austin until Boldin’s been moved for a 3rd (if that’s really their asking price).

by andyreidswaistline on Mar 4, 2010 12:57 PM EST reply actions  

I'd rather have Brandon Graham then any other DE in the draft

He has consistently improved each year of college ball, and he strikes me as a hard worker. That’s what we need here. people in the mold of Dawkins. Cole is a hard worker that is why he is so successful. Bradley is a hard worker that’s why I think he will be successful. We need to draft not only talent, but someone who is gonna bust their ass to show they deserve their opportunity. Graham, Earl Thomas, Sean Lee, and yes even Micah Johnson. (ducks Wild_Eagles load) will be more successful then people will think, because they will bust their ass to do so. Philly is a blue collar town. Lets bring in the blue collar workers.

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