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DeSean Jackson is the latest Eagle to not really endorse McNabb

Last week, Brent Celek & LeSean McCoy were asked about the possibility of Donovan McNabb being traded and while both said they liked McNabb, they also more or less said they'd be happy to play with any of the QBs on the roster. Yesterday, DeSean Jackson basically said the same thing.

"It's hard not to deal with our quarterback situation," Jackson said. "But as a wide reciver, and the circumstances I'm at, I have a job to do, which is to go out there and work hard, and play football and catch footballs... no matter if it's [Kevin] Kolb, [Michael] Vick or [Donovan] McNabb throwing me the football. So I just hope everything works out for all their situations and I wish them the best.

"There's definitely curiosity going around but we have a lot of faith in our ownership and our coaches and everything like that so I feel they'll make the best move for our team. But whatever the situation is, I'm ready to roll with it."

To be fair, these guys are mostly just being diplomatic. They've been teammates with Kevin Kolb as long as they have with McNabb... but that's also just the point. McNabb's long time teammates like Brian Westbrook, Jon Runyan, Tra Thomas, & Brian Dawkins are all gone. I'd be willing to bet that those guys might not have been so noncommittal in their support of McNabb if they were still on the team and asked these questions.

Then again, maybe I'm just reading too far into it.

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More of the same, which is nothing really. Like you said, they are all being diplomatic, which is good to see/hear but I am sure they have a preference and I think it’s Kolb. After all, that is who they spend their time with on the sidelines. Maybe it’s because he is more welcoming where as McNabb is more of a loner. I honestly have no idea. Or maybe it’s because Kolb has the playbook, the pictures and the best view.

People talk about how McNabb helped the offense put up record numbers and how putting Kolb in there is a serious step back, and maybe it is. But if the one thing people seem to really say about Kolb, the one thing that separates Kolb from McNabb is accuracy. If Kolb can complete passes at a 5% increase over McNabb then it would only make sense that he should be able to help lead the team to equal their point totals of this year. Not saying Kolb will have numbers equal to McNabb. I am not sure he ever will but I think team wise, offensively they will be fine.

by EREX21 on Mar 31, 2010 7:09 AM EDT reply actions  

You're "sure they have a preference"

Yet you “honestly have no idea.”

You kinda undercut yourself there.

Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome

by D3Keith on Mar 31, 2010 7:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not really. Try reading it again but slower this time.

I am sure that they have a preference, and I am sure it is Kolb.

What I am unsure of is exactly why that is. Is it because of the general reasons I listed above or for other reasons that we as fans are not privy to.

by EREX21 on Mar 31, 2010 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

I understood you fine ...

… It honestly isn’t that complex.

How you can be sure of something yet not know why makes no sense, no matter how slowly you read. In fact, it’s the very definition of not being sure.

Way to son me though!

Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome

by D3Keith on Mar 31, 2010 8:45 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I have no desire to get into a debate with you on the merits of semantics.

But knowing something and not knowing why is rather common.

For instance, the sky is blue. You have accepted that. We all have. But without looking it up on google or wikipedia do you know why the sky is blue? I highly doubt it.

The only reason I do know is because it is because it is something I learned during college.

You have accepted something as truth without actually knowing why. Exactly what I did above, yet you seem to consider that stance to be impossible as by your definition the only way to be sure of anything is to be able to have empirical proof to defend that point. Not exactly an accurate statement but I can appreciate what you are trying to say, wrong as it may be.

by EREX21 on Mar 31, 2010 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Be careful

Tread lightly with the sky is blue thing. I once used it sort of like you did, and got in a 30 page argument with someone telling me the sky wasnt blue. Yeah, that doesn’t say much for me….

by djubirds on Mar 31, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

ha ha. Thanks. It’s like anything else. Everyone has their own interpretation of what is fact and what is belief. Some can and do argue as you said above that the sky is blue. I believe it is. I have proof that it is, but that doesn’t mean that someone can’t come along later and prove otherwise. It happens all the time.

by EREX21 on Mar 31, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yea I think they’re all being very discrete with their answers. I think that these guys have all seen enough heads roll around them to know to keep their mouths shut and just do their jobs. I think the simple fact of “you’re expendible” is more apparent in philly than it is in other franchises. Maybe I’m wrong with that, and am only judging that based on putting the eagles under a microscope all the time….

If you dont like Big Red, then F#%@ You!
-Ricky Bobby

by GreenInBaltimore on Mar 31, 2010 7:12 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Yeah, but why would Jackson give a shit one way or another?

He has enough pull to say what he wants without caring about joebastard or fatandy. You’re right on about the idea of “you’re expendible” being more evident in Philly. That’s a reflection of this front office.

By the way, I hope Desean rapes banner and his fairy friend roseman for millions in guaranteed cash.

...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.

Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer

by EvilBanner on Mar 31, 2010 7:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

i agree with that last sentence by the way...

i just got a desean jersey the other day to make up for the fact that my #29 mccoy jersey just got rendered useless.

by awd777 on Mar 31, 2010 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's never useless

Wear it to play in the next BGN Bowl

Officially contributing to worldwide confusion since 1997

by Rabbit T on Mar 31, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

RE: Why give a shit? I know that Desean had a breakout season last year, but i still would have to think that the way the Eagles treat some of their aging players that it does create some sense of insecurity. Even to guys (Jackson) who shouldnt feel that at all.

If you dont like Big Red, then F#%@ You!
-Ricky Bobby

by GreenInBaltimore on Mar 31, 2010 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Most teams cut their older overpaid unproductive players just like we did… This whole Eagles are terrible to old players thing simply isn’t true. Dawkins was signed here forever so were Hugh, Trotter, Bobby Taylor, McNabb and Westbrook. But you are right let’s keep an injury prone unproductive 30 year old RB around just so we can be nice.

by You don't have to be sweet, to be good on Mar 31, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure they're that savvy to have given it so much thought

And even so, what are they supposed to say? They probably are friends with both guys and they don’t know who will start. Probably don’t want to risk offending either of them.

From my experience having been on teams, your friends are your friends and you hold sway over those choices, which you make irrespective of what you hold no sway over, their status on the team. I remember thinking certain guys should get more burn, but it’s not really your place to say … And certainly I never had anyone in the press ask about it.

Maybe a savvy vet wouldve thought about how to deal with this question when asked, but even so, I don’t know what option these guys really had. They sort of have to play both sides of the fence just in case, unlike maybe a Runyan or BWest, as you mentioned.

Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome

by D3Keith on Mar 31, 2010 7:46 AM EDT reply actions  

I wonder what the effect of trading Donovan McNabb might do for the reputation of the Eagles in the future. Not from a public relations standpoint, but there used to be a point in history when players didn’t want to play for organizations like the Eagles or Patriots, and I sometimes worry that some players may look at the McNabb situation, and the release of Westbrook, and say “well, I COULD go to Philadelphia, but I could just as easily get paid by this other team and not have to constantly look over my shoulder.”

Before you answer with “we don’t need players with that attitude here”, I’m not talking about this from that sort of context. And players have a lot of insecurities that we don’t need our FO to be preying on. I’m thinking of how T.J. Houshmandzedah chose Seattle over Minnesota because he didn’t trust Tarvaris Jackson and he wanted to go somewhere with a stable QB situation (irony!!!). This stuff does go through their heads, and you can only wine and dine them so much.

If the Eagles are going to deal McNabb, they need to go about it the right way. There are a lot of harmful ways that what they’re about to do could be interpreted by the league, by the commissioner, by the players, etc. They’ve got to tread lightly.

by ZorkNemesis on Mar 31, 2010 7:49 AM EDT reply actions  

This is a good point.

The Eagles are not a “tread lightly” organization and your point about players not wanting to play here is a good one. The Eagles are not a team that’s going to try to spend with the big boys, so their parsimony is a factor here. If you’re not going to spend with the big boys, you’re going to want to cultivate an atmosphere where players trust that they’re not going to be “looking over their shoulder” as you say. Banner, roseman and boston jeff (and ESPECIALLY fatandy) have been miserable failures in this regard.

...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.

Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer

by EvilBanner on Mar 31, 2010 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Really??

You mean you wonder if the players who look for a place to wind their career down and get one last BIG payday will not want to play for the Eagles. GREAT!!!

THE MESSAGE is NO!!!! We as an organization will not mortgage our future to keep around players on the backside of their career. We are not short sighted, and if you sign a multi year deal with us, you do not have to worry about us doing some rogue move that ultimately turns around and leaves us with 3 un-salvageable years. When you do play out your contract with us(in the 5th biggest market that sky rockets your worth) we will release or trade you to a team that will give you that last one BIG payday for what you used to be.

You can thank us for your Chunky soup type endorsements. You are welcome.

"Buy low sell high!"

by Dmyth13 on Mar 31, 2010 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds good to me

But a player like Dawkins would’ve been worth every cent of a two yr deal, but he truly is one of a kind.

by RiotJuice on Apr 1, 2010 5:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Zork, valid concerns ...

… But we’re not the first organization to let players go as they get older and/or decline. The Eagles have proven that they’ll spend big on young guys who produce, and if there two things that matter to players as much as long-term security, it’s winning and getting paid.

As long as there are 27- and 28-year-olds willing to take our money for four or five years, we should be able to attract talent. For every TJ Houshamazode there’s an Asante Samuel or Leonard Weaver.

Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome

by D3Keith on Mar 31, 2010 8:53 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Well, the reason that I’m concerned is that you’re not going to win a Super Bowl with all young guys on the team. At some point you are going to have to bring in some established veterans, or elite talent, to give yourself the best possible chance to win it all. And some of those players are going to be over the age of 28. Remember, the age of 30 is not the point of decline at ALL positions, only particular ones. But any player close to or above the age of 30 could see how the Eagles treat people beyond that age and either say “No thanks”, “You’d better be paying me a lot of guaranteed money”, or “Your offer sounds nice, but (Team X) is offering (Y) for (Z) years, will you match it?” All of which garner the same response from the Eagles FO: “Okay, goodbye.”

Again, not saying it’s right or wrong. But it could happen. I’m actually now trying to think of what team won a Super Bowl with a majority youth movement. There were young players on the Colts defense in 06-07 when they defeated the Bears, but their offense was stacked with vets. Manning, Saturday, Harrison, Wayne, Glenn, Stokley, Rhodes, Clark. I think Addai was the lone rookie.

by ZorkNemesis on Mar 31, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kolb, K.

You know I have been a reader here Derek for a couple years. I sincerely appreciate your reporting and analysis. I find it to be cogent and helpful, especially if you are an X & O’s football fan. However I am for the first time driven to actually respond on a thread about the Eagles potential trade of McNabb and quite frankly, of my utter lack of confidence in Kolb. Yes, we may need to move on from McNabb – who I thought has been a fantastic QB and a class act in Philadelphia from day one. I have been a season ticketholder for over 40 years. I have been to every game played in the Vet – believe it or not my father (whose fault it is I am an insane Eagles fan started bringing me to games when I was four at I believe, Franklin Field. I have been living and dying with the birds like most of you for my entire childhood and adult life. I have come to the opinion (a humble one) that McNabb is the best QB I have ever seen play the position in Philadelphia in my lifetime. I know we were outclassed last year particularly at the end of the season – but that clearly was not McNabb. The fact that we had an 11 win season is in my poor opinion a credit to the Coaching of Andy Reid, who basically had an offensive line stuck together with popsicle sticks and tape and a defense stuck together of broken parts with bubble gum. (As an aside I thought one of the major reasons we were steamrollered by Dallas was the loss of Jamal Jackson at C – who is primarily responsible for pass protection calls/ recognition in the Eagles offense. Nick Cole was simply not up to the task in that game. ) Back to topic -

My deep concern is that Kolb is a system QB. This type of QB can certainly win in the NFL. Everyone seems to raise Montana as an example of this ( I am referring to the 4th and 26 Column of a couple days ago). However Montana was playing with two teams SF and KC that at the time had shut down defenses, powerful running games and at least above average receiving talent.

I saw nothing in the Baltimore, NO or KC games to prove Kolb can throw the long ball (a ball thrown longer than 25 yards in this offense – you can define this as still an intermediate range pass – but the only pass that I saw Kolb make of this distance was right into the hands of Ed Reed in the Baltimore game). If he can’t prove that he can make the vertical game work (and let’s face it, the Eagles when successful are a vertical offense) then every team will put 8-9 men in the box and blitz him in the run gaps all day long. It will kill the run game and shut down the short passing game. In short, Kolb better be able to throw the long ball or we are going to have problems.

Further McNabb due to his mobility, makes up for and made up for a weak offensive line in his earlier career. Kolb won’t be able to do that he just doesn’t have the leg strength or speed. (and let’s face it leg and hip strength are the physical drivers of the long ball throw)

I just didn’t and don’t see what the Eagles saw. I saw NOs mediocre defense slow down and stop our offense. What happens when we are compelled to play someone with real talent on defense? No safety blanket of a good running game here. Only pass after pass, exposing this 25 year old kid to NFC East pass rushes, the worst of which is better than most other defenses in the league.

I have the deepest respect for Coach Reid. Despite his faults he and Joe Banner have created a winning tradition in Philadelphia. I can appreciate that. The Eagles also seem to know when to cut bait on veteran players as well. I just fear that with Kolb we are about to fall into mediocrity until a better QB can be bought, begged or stolen.

Forgive my vehemence. Cheers.

by Claudius on Mar 31, 2010 9:09 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Wow

You coulda just made a fanpost you know, lol. Great points, if a little exaggerated. You’re right that McNabb is a great QB, but I think you’re underrating Kolb a little. No doubt there will be growing pains, but he has more ability than you’re giving him credit for. His arm strength is suspect, but 25 yards? Look at the NO and KC games. In each he had a long TD pass to Jackson, each went at least 30-35 yards through the air if I recall correctly. I have my own concerns about whether he can get the ball over the safeties, but stacking the box will not stop our offense. If nothing else, it’ll leave Jackson and Maclin open on the outsides, and leave them susceptible to screens (please bring the screens back Andy!). We can win with Kolb. We may not be a playoff team next year, but we’ll get back there soon enough. That said, I’d love to see McNabb back next year.

by BarbarosaNo on Mar 31, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ehh..

The TD to Jackson against the Chiefs was a YAC TD, no doubt about it. The TD against the Saints was more of a conventional deep pass, but it wasn’t a flat out go route.

I’m not sure if the deep pass is necessary in a WCO, it’s just nice to have. If you have the intermediate pass firing, you’ll be able to be effective and dictate whatever you want to do. It’s how Tony Romo is able to succeed in Dallas, by hitting receivers in stride and not needing to throw the deep ball.. it’s why he was successful with Owens, and why he struggled this year until Miles Austin (another prototypical WCO WR) developed chemistry with him.

I think Maclin’s addition to the team is perhaps more important to Kolb’s development than anyone else we have. Jackson is the homerun hitter and the zone eater, Avant makes the clutch catches in traffic, but Maclin is the YAC guy who is going to make those types of open field moves and inflate Kolb’s stats.

by ZorkNemesis on Mar 31, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree

Kolb did more in the Baltimore game then Mcnabb did. He was actually able to move the ball down field, albeit it ending with a INT. It was more then Mcnabb could say that game. I don’t know how you can state that the NO and KC game showed you nothing. We were with the Saints stride for stride until we fumbled the kickoff, and the pick Kolb threw. Also, people can keep brushing away the KC game, but Kolb did exactly what I good QB was suppose to do, and thats bury them. He did just that, and he did it flawlessly.

Also, blitzing the run gaps takes away the run, and short passes but allows for a deep attack? I’m not sure this makes sense. Kolb has a quicker release then Mcnabb, and this will only benefit him against the blitz. When a team blitz they’re usually sending an LB or two to rush the passer. This leaves the short game open and a quick pass can kill a blitz.

by Team Serbia on Mar 31, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

+ 1 on the baltimore point

people always forget our offense was terrible with mcnabb and kolb led us right down the field and into the red zone. you can’t really blame a guy too much for throwing an INT to ed reed. what QB in the NFL hasn’t? he’s a beast. but after that pick, kolb kinda lost some confidence (which i think is perfectly reasonable for a guy in his first real NFL action thrown up against a top 5 D).

by PoorSports on Mar 31, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

NOrl TD to Jackson

It was a less than 15 yard crossing pattern that Jackson took to the house. That was a Jackson play not a Kolb play.

I would agree with you wholeheartedly if the Eagles had shown themselves capable of a credible running game (which for some reason with Weaver running the ball they chose to do in some games – but totally abandoned this in others) or even the propensity to run the ball. We have seen a couple games demonstrating the former – but really we see mostly the latter. I just don’t see a short pass offense being a game winning offense for the Eagles. I fervently want to be wrong – but I just don’t see it. Jackson has given us a vertical threat that pulls back the FS and SS (although the distinctions between these positions have become more and more blurred in the past five years) in a cover two or pulls back the drop S in a cover one or cover one sub (S in intermediate pass / run support).

Baltimore did just this against us. So did NO when they knew at the end of the game that Kolb would have to throw the ball down the field more. They just sat on the patterns and brought pressure. It worked in both cases. KC just doesn’t have a defense – just potted plants in football uniforms.

Look, it isn’t brain surgery. With a young QB you bring the pressure and stop the run and make him beat you with his arm. This is what we will see if Kolb starts this year.

If I were Kolb I would be shouting, “Prepare for Glory!”

by Claudius on Mar 31, 2010 9:58 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I agree Kolb doesn’t have the same arm strength as McNabb, but the TD pass to jackson in NO was 35 yards in the air. I think you may be thinking of the TD to Jackson against KC?

On another note, isn’t the WCO supposed to be based on the short/intermediate passing game? That’s what I always thought. I realize that we throw the ball deep all the time, but I think the only sense in which we run a WCO is that we throw the ball a lot. If Kolb is as good as advertised at the short/intermediate passing game, I think our offense will stay potent.

by eagleyosh on Mar 31, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well if you watched the last two Dallas games

it was quite apparent that with Mcnabb it was a long pass or bust. Newman and Jenkins would sit a good 5-8 yards off of our receivers, the safety would be hanging out 10 yards from the LOS. They would bring in an extra pass rusher and boom, our offense is completely stalled for 8 quarters. This was happening the entire game.

With Kolb’s quicker release, and short yard accuracy, Jenkins and Newman can’t sit 5+ yards off of our receivers or they will get burned constantly. Bring them up, opens the middle of the field and the intermediate passing game. This can force a team to blitz less often, and so on.

by Team Serbia on Mar 31, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Oh and a WC Offense thrives on short passes

and this is the kind of offense our coaching and players are set up. Imagine how much more damage Desean could do if he touched the ball 90 times rather than 60? That can happen. We don’t need our QB to carry our team. Get the ball to Jackson/Maclin/Mccoy/Celek/Weaver 5 yard from LOS and let them do what they do best.

by Team Serbia on Mar 31, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not sure that Kolb has a quicker release, and I’m not sure that the Eagles passing game fails because of the inaccuracy on deep passes. I feel that our receivers generally have problems shedding the press and the bump and run, although I don’t really have a solution or an answer for it because I don’t want to replace anyone we have right now. It may come with experience, or just being a little more creative in the playbook.

Not saying it will prevent Kolb from being successful, but there is a reason why McNabb is scrambling around holding on to the ball for too long at times. The receivers have to work hard to get open. It doesn’t come easy. I think Brent Celek is the only player on the offense who generally got to enjoy being out on an island, but receiving TEs tend to get that perk.

by ZorkNemesis on Mar 31, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well I don't have actually empirical evidence

to prove Kolb’s release is faster, but I am going by the scouting reports I’ve read and what I’ve seen from Kolb’s to starts.

And without sounding like a “Mcnabb hater”, I think a big reason for why Mcnabb is scrambling is not because receivers aren’t getting separation, but because Mcnabb doesn’t take risks throwing into a tighter window. He struggles with his accuracy and doesn’t seem confident that he can lead a receivers consistently. Receivers don’t have to be open when you throw the ball, as long as you throw the ball to an area where the receiver can get free. These passes Kolb has shown he can hit (ie, Jackson TD vs KC). Thats where the difference will come.

And I don’t mean for this to come out as a Mcnabb bash. Just things I’ve noticed over time and a comparison of the different skills both QB’s have.

by Team Serbia on Mar 31, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

True

I think a decade of awful receivers has given McNabb some serious trust issues with his WRs. Could be why he doesn’t like to throw until his guy gets wide open.

by BarbarosaNo on Mar 31, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Ball Kolb threw to Jackson in the Saints game was 40 yards in the air and it hit Jackson in stride…. What more do you want from the guy.

by You don't have to be sweet, to be good on Mar 31, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good look on the highlights

Kolb is absolutely dicing them up until the pick. Not sure how to feel about that.

Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome

by D3Keith on Apr 2, 2010 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

your wrong

“I’d be willing to bet that those guys might not have been so noncommittal in their support of McNabb if they were still on the team and asked these questions.”

4th and 26!!!!

by kingofnorth on Mar 31, 2010 12:51 PM EDT reply actions  

I stand corrected

Thanks for the replay. I clearly remembered it wrong – which is surprising because the play happened right in front of me.

One thing about me – if I am wrong about something I am happy to admit it.

I still think my points about Kolb are pretty accurate. I am still looking for a vertical game from him. I think it really needs to be there to take advantage of Jacksons speed and frankly, to avoid him taking shots.

by Claudius on Mar 31, 2010 3:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Good point

With McNabb we mostly had Desean running past people for easy TDs over the top. With Kolb he’s gonna have to make some moves after the catch, which will lead to more hits, and definitely less yards per catch, but more receptions. Who knows what impact the increased hits might have on a little guy like Desean?

by BarbarosaNo on Mar 31, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

My opinion

Is that the vertical play was just a result of not being able to consistently throw the short balls. I don’t think the eagles ever really meant to become the deep ball team that they’ve become (first memory is of T.O., and more recently with Jackson)..Andy’s always tried to throw the short ball for most of the game and only a couple times go deep.

With Kolb I don’t see that much changing actually. The fact that he can hit receivers in the hands and not a yard infront of them in the ground at the short pass range will pull the DB’s up to try and stop it. Or they can back off and just give us 4+ yards a play which i’m alright with. But more than likely it’ll pull the DB’s up and get somebody open down field in positions that Kolb simply can’t miss (hopefully).

How hard could it be for the coaching staff and Kolb to realize his arm strength isn’t there, and get it to where it needs to be though? I just don’t think the deep ball was ever necessary if McNabb completed his short passes, it just ended up being a flashy play that was hard to stop.

by KornontheKobb on Mar 31, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

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