McNabb Lovers Unite!!!
by jalarsen1 on Mar 28, 2010 12:05 AM EDT
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And SHUT UP ALREADY!!!!
Nobody is saying that McNabb is and always was terrible! Nobody is being "unappreciative" of all the wonderful flowers and roses he's dropped off on our doorsteps. Nobody is disputing his records or his stats. Nobody.
Enough of the posts reiterating his stats for the last decade. We know them. We've watched him. He's left us in awe, and he's left us frustrated. We were there, we lived it, we don't need a history lesson.
I'm sick of being told I'm unappreciative because I think it's time to move on. How does that position imply that I somehow don't appreciate what he's done? I wouldn't want Michael Jordan on my professional basketball team today, but I certainly appreciate what he's done as a player.
I'm not saying you have to jump on the Kolb train, because clearly that isn't your intention; but SHUT UP ALREADY!!!
-Stop telling us we all booed McNabb on his draft day...not true
-Stop saying he's never been supported...not true
-Stop saying he's never been appreciated...not true
-Stop saying we've wanted to trade him for years now...not true.
You're stealing drama lines from the media and running wild...it's ridiculous.
And for the mature audience, I'm sorry I couldn't exercise more self-control and refrain from writing this. I know I should just ignore the crap that aggravates me; but I could only hold off for so long.
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i love how people assume things to help prove their points
just decided they should add something to the health care bill. Everyone should be made to get a membership to a gym and must use it. If not then they should be penalized for not taking care of themselves. All in favor? Oh wait...it doesn't matter what we think.
Damn it, i just made a post saying the same thing. aha good stuff though.
"Season tickets for the Lakers? How is that economically possible?"
"Bye, Mac"
you can go back and delete if you want
"I think pro athletes should be forced to use steroids. I think we as fans deserve the greatest athletes science can create."- Daniel Tosh
If Football Had A Church , Brian Dawkins Would Be My Preacher. -NPK
Creator of "Jibta" - NPK
by NorthPhillyKid on Mar 28, 2010 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Nahh, i spent time writing it might as well leave it up. ahah
"Season tickets for the Lakers? How is that economically possible?"
"Bye, Mac"
its cool , just sayin
"I think pro athletes should be forced to use steroids. I think we as fans deserve the greatest athletes science can create."- Daniel Tosh
If Football Had A Church , Brian Dawkins Would Be My Preacher. -NPK
Creator of "Jibta" - NPK
by NorthPhillyKid on Mar 28, 2010 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions
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"I think pro athletes should be forced to use steroids. I think we as fans deserve the greatest athletes science can create."- Daniel Tosh
If Football Had A Church , Brian Dawkins Would Be My Preacher. -NPK
Creator of "Jibta" - NPK
by NorthPhillyKid on Mar 28, 2010 12:34 AM EDT reply actions
Woo - Saaaah
Too bad it will not end here. Go Iggles!!
I've been sayin "Wait til next year" for 32 years....
R.I.P. JJ
I think the thing that made me change my mind about McNabb coming back is that he couldn’t turn it around for a second time in a row against the Cowboys he only scored one touchdown in two games against them, it was too frustrating to watch for me.
by fhqwagads on Mar 28, 2010 12:47 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
agreed completely
we just could not move the ball against them AT ALL
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
McNabb didn't make me turn ...
it’s just the right time, the pieces are all in place if the situation were different, say McNabb still had a contract I’d strongly consider keeping him. This just makes sense.
They call me The Professor.
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Finally someone gets it.
RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
McNabb's Chamionship game and Super Bowl career: 129/225, 57.3 completion percentage, 1426 yards, 6.3 YPA, 9 touchdowns, 9 interceptions, 72.9 QB rating, 1-5
I know I should just ignore the crap that aggravates me; but I could only hold off for so long
bust your nut eh ?
"I think pro athletes should be forced to use steroids. I think we as fans deserve the greatest athletes science can create."- Daniel Tosh
If Football Had A Church , Brian Dawkins Would Be My Preacher. -NPK
Creator of "Jibta" - NPK
I agree, many McNabb fans are very vocal about this and the same argument can only be twisted so many ways. It does get aggravating.
But with that being said… Maybe the Kolb fans need to cut it out too. McNabb fans obviously aren’t the only vocal ones, because the whole sports world seems to “know” that the entire Eagles fan base is ready to move on even though some of us really do believe that keeping McNabb is the right decision, not the loyalist thing to do. It gets aggravating hearing “Kolb/Nader ’10!!!! Take the world by storm!” all the time too.
I’m not about to argue that Kolb fans on this site are more vocal than McNabb fans becuase its not a fight I feel I can win, but outside the scope of this site I think McNabb supporters are the minority and are therefore defensive. If you post something about Kolb starting next year, even a comment, you’re going to get a defensive post froma McNabb fan which will blow up into an argument because neither side will drop it, which will lead to another Mcnabb/Kolb post. If we want to see this argument subside a little then we need to work together to drop the issue.
I Am Better Than Jack Who Some Fool Thinks Is Better Than Asante (IABTJWSFTIBTA)
by DeSean10 on Mar 28, 2010 1:21 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Clearly Kolb sucks.
So I’m not going to be getting on that train. Flaccid arm pansy.
Anyhow, Andy Reid and Joe Banner are morons with shit for brains. If they trade McNabb, we will have an enjoyable season here on BGN, that’s for sure. I wonder what Jason B’s first game headline will be? 5-11 anyone?
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
I realize you probably mean 5-11 as in a record, but..
To score 5-11 and lose, we’d have to have a safety and a field goal, and they would have three field goals and two safeties.
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
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The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
I said it last year when Kolb made his starts, and I still believe that we need to stick with McNabb another few years. There’s nothing to show that McNabb has slowed down his production.
The safe move is to switch to Kolb and see how he pans out over the next few years. However, coaches know they are paid to win now, and our best chances of winning now rest on McNabb’s shoulders. I think we have to go with McNabb and take the risk of not having a starting quality QB in 3-4 years.
We can draft a QB this year or next year if the Eagles think he’s got a chance of being the next franchise QB. If there’s no one the Eagles think they can develop into the next franchise QB, they’ll either trade for one or go with what they have and adapt. But I don’t think the worries of 3 years from now should affect the decisions they make for this year, and I think we clearly have a better shot of winning with McNabb (and the draft picks we receive from trading Kolb) than Kolb (and the draft picks we receive from trading McNabb).
I am the people's troll :3™
by yomjoseki on Mar 28, 2010 3:23 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I agree if kolb isn’t going to be really good. But If the coaches think he’s really good they can’t let Kolb walk.
My "t" and "y" buttons are messed up so don't bitch at me about misspelling, I'm just saying.
by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on Mar 28, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Really good doesn’t cut it. They have to believe he’s going to be better than McNabb over the next three years to move McNabb to really be doing what’s in the best interest of the team. If they think that’s the case, I’m fine with that. I personally think over the next three years McNabb will be better. However, if they think the decline of McNabb will come more quickly than I do, and that Kolb’s ceiling is at least as high as McNabb’s over the next few years, then it is the right move to trade McNabb.
I just don’t think Kolb will be a BETTER QB within 3 years. I could be totally wrong. I just think they drafted Kolb too soon. I think it’s a distinct possibility that I’m not the only one that thinks that and that Kolb won’t be here next year. If Kolb is indeed traded, we will obviously need to begin the look for another franchise QB.
Maybe I’m delusional. I think trading Kolb is the best move for the next 3 years. You can’t project the next 5-10 years in the NFL let alone the next 3 years or even the next year. So that’s why I think the Eagles need to stick with the proven guy who hasn’t shown any decline.
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I agree. Keep in mind, too, that with all these rumors that circulate, no reporter can actually verify that they involve McNabb. For all we know, these teams could be making offers for Kolb as well.
I'm certain teams are making offers for Kolb
I just don’t see the Eagles willingness to part with a guy they purportedly believe to be their future
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
When has McNabb EVER given us a solid 3 years?
I was a big supporter of his, but I can’t remember him going a full 3 seasons, ever, maybe in the begining, I don’t remember. I’ll have to check his stats, lol
I looked it up....
never, it has never happened.
00-01 and 01-02 seasons were the only time he ever gave us 2 full seasons in a row
I love McNabb..
…but I love the Eagles as a team more. He was/is the best quarterback the eagles have ever had, hands down. But the best has not been good enough. Philly still doesn’t have a ring. We need to move in that direction.
I may be in the minority here, but I honestly think our best shot at a ring next year is Vick. He has plated in big games. He quite possibly has the biggest chip on his shoulder in the entire NFL and has the most to prove….
He lost the biggest game he ever played in… to McNabb and the Eagles. He wasn’t that great of a QB before he spent two years in prison, I don’t see how he’ll be better now.
I am the people's troll :3™
I can’t think of one valid reason to believe Vick would give us a better chance to win than McNabb or Kolb.
I am the people's troll :3™
by yomjoseki on Mar 28, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
he trains pitbulls good...
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
Am I the only one....
who saw him trip over his own 2 feet more times then not?
He had one good pass, I’ll give him that
Weighing in Pro-McNabb
Not Anti-Kolb, just pro-McNabb. I’m glad we have Kolb, too. I know this isn’t the most detailed analysis, but it’s great to be in this position. When have the Eagles ever had three quarterbacks at the same time who didn’t suck notoriously? How about two? The cup is three thirds full as far as I’m concerned.
I don't mind the trade rumors and peoples ideals
Its guys like Joe_D who piss me off who talk down on McNabb as if he is Hitler and has never done anything great in his career and needs to be taken out behind a shed and shot. I mean I understand he hasn’t played the greatest these last few years, but can one honestly say that when we went into a season with him as our QB you weren’t almost certain that we would make the playoffs that year? If he stays here next year…I cool with that. If he is traded…I’ll be cool with it as well and I’ll continue to root for him where ever he goes. To me he is the Dawkins of the offense and I mean that. I love Dawkins to death, but he didn’t have to shoulder the load of trying to bring a Super Bowl to this city. Donovan did. And as much hell as he has gone through here and still wants to keep doing it….I have to tip my hat to him.
Yes. Mm-hmm. Yup. Yessir. Uh-huh.
In case you weren’t sure what I meant, I agree with all these statements.
by alcatraz0109 on Mar 28, 2010 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Joe_D IS A HATER! Some of the things I've seen him write are inexcusable.
e.g. wishing McNabb would suffer injury. Pure hater with his Sony Playstation Madden 2010 football knowledge!
by Lombardi and Broad on Mar 29, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I understand he hasn’t played the greatest these last few years
This is seems to be the general opinion of NFL fans and BGN alike… but the problem is he’s had two of the best years of his career statistically in 2008 and 2009.
His yards per attempt is off the chain and his completion percentage is 4% higher than it used to be.
I am the people's troll :3™
Exactly
I know you want to keep McNabb.
I am in the “time to move on” boat as long as we can get good compensation. But my reasoning is not because his play has “declined” as so many others seem to think. That is actually far from the truth.
If people are going to argue that it’s time to trade McNabb… don’t use the argument that he has sucked the last few years. It’s just not true.
It was the right decision to boo on draft day....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BTej926Pvo&feature=related
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
We boo'd McNabb and that turned out decently.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
You were probably 9 years old when McNabb was boo'd. What could you possibly
know about that other than what you have read here?
by Lombardi and Broad on Mar 29, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
8 years old... And I actually remember alot from then and I actually do reasearch and
know how people reacted to it… The reaction only seems worse for Kolb because back then there werent alot of places to voice your displeasure on the internet.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
What I find interesting reading the posts between McNabb fans and Kolb fans is the rapid optimism of the Kolb fans with little or no evidence to back up his potential. Kolb may end up being a good NFL quaterback but at the moment he is unproven. We have seen him in 3 games in one he sucked, in another he was great, and in the third he was just mediocre. I would argue thats not enough to base our playoff hopes on.
Bringing McNabb back makes too much sense. He is a proven comodity and with a (hopefully) better o-line and an improved d we should be able to contend for the sb. If he is successful I would extend his contract for another year if not hey Kolb will still be there.
My preference would be to start Mc. Nabb trade kolb for picks and draft a qb either this year or next.
by Queer Eagles Fan on Mar 28, 2010 11:31 PM EDT reply actions
McNabb throws to many dirt balls.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
Its not mcnabb's fault(well he's not the cause)
Most people that have played madden would of made a better decision with mcnabb than the eagles have done. Most of the time i believe in experiance but in this case they could nt be more wrong , the eagles need a fresh start with a QB that will do anything to win not one that is happy with just being good, its not mcnabb’s fault, its the franchise, they make a huge profit every year n r happy with slightly above average. The phillies as a franchise make less in profit bc baseball is nt as popular as football n the revenue that mlb makes does nt match that of the nfl’s. Saying that the eagles payroll will be around 102mil but the phils will be close to 140 mil, so the phils take in less but spend more, there is a reason jeffrey is aproaching a billion in worth. The fans need to stand up, we as a people in america let way too much go n we dont fight anymore. We need to protest n make them hear us ! If u feel the same way email me at ihatetof@yahoo.com
by asplinterinurmind on Mar 29, 2010 7:49 AM EDT reply actions
Uh, so what evidence do you have to prove that baseball revenue is less than football? Because I highly doubt it.
I am the people's troll :3™
I don't even get your point
what am I supposed to fight?
Am I supposed to be mad that the Eagles are “happy with slightly above average”? Am I supposed to be mad that the Eagles don’t “spend as much as the Phils”?
Do you even know the revenue of each team?
Dumb.
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
oh fuck yes...
I’m in.. what do I get to blow up???
No not really you didnt even get a point across.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
The McNabb lovers are free to shut up but so are the people who don’t know thing #1 about how the game of football is played, or how organizations are run, or how to measure the quality of the player. And far more of those people are on the side of the haters than the lovers. That’s not a debate, that’s fact. I’ve seen more bullshit revisionist history in the last 2 months than I’ve seen in maybe any year that he’s been here.
It’s not about underappreciating, it’s just the revising history that bothers me, and the selective arguments, and the “smiling is Satanic” arguments. The only argument that I accept is trade value and Kolb’s contract window, the odds regarding the CBA in 2011, salary, etc. AKA the BUSINESS side of it. Any argument that contains the word “chokes” or “leader” in it is an immediate disqualification to me. Extension arguments, dealing with the agent, projected swaps, all of that is fine.
I agree completely
I’m ready to move on but only because of the business side of it. McNabb is clearly a good player still, but I think it’s too much long-term risk to let Kolb go and hope we come up with a guy in the next couple years that could take the reigns. What if we can’t? Then we’re in REALLY hot water…and it makes sense to me to go with the young now while the playmakers are a year or two away from their prime.
I never bought the ‘smiling’, ‘choking’, or ‘leader’ crap either.
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
We’re drafting a QB regardless of whether we keep McNabb or not. Sure, the Eagles can be confident in Kolb’s ability but the one thing no one can say for certain is how well can he play over the course of a 16 game stretch/playoff run. McNabb has proven he can do it and can do it well. Better than 90% of QBs, in fact. So unless the front office has 100% confidence that Kolb is a franchise QB and is invulnerable to injury, they’re going to draft a QB who they think will be capable of starting NFL games. Probably just to backup Kolb, but also preparing for the worst.
I am the people's troll :3™
....
I love McNabb….. no homo
doesn’t mean I dont think tradeing him makes sence
Fresh, Fresher, Freshest, Fresherest
Mcnabb is just
the fall guy. he still has a few years left in him. i would love to keep Mcnabb an win a bowl i think he deserves it. if we do trade him, i would cheer for him if he won a bowl on another team just as much as i would if he won it with the Eagles.
Caveat
As long as the team he beats isn’t us.
I love McNabb
but if we aren’t going to extend his contract, the obvious solution is to trade him. I would actually be mad if we didn’t. No point in letting a QB like that go for free.
In life, as in a football game, the principle to follow is: Hit the line hard.
-Theodore Roosevelt
THEN SHUT UP AND STOP TELLING US YOU ARE READY TO MOVE ON!!
WE’RE SICK OF HEARING IT! Stop telling us about 1-5 in NFC Championship Games. Stop telling us how Kolb, Garcia and Feeley are more accurate. Stop telling us you don’t like his personality. Stop telling us you hate the way he throw’s a great out pass to the youngest worm receivers in Eagle Green. Stop telling us he will never win the big one. Stop telling us, he is not what he was when we had T.O.. Stop telling us you want to just try Kolb.
And for the mature audience, I’m sorry I couldn’t exercise more self-control and refrain from writing this. I know I should just ignore the crap that aggravates me; but I could only hold off for so long.
by Lombardi and Broad on Mar 29, 2010 4:10 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
Did you even read the post?
"Sugah n' rainbows"
"We will steal the show, jolly Rogers go, we are wolves of the sea."
I would think so...
seeing that the last statement is directly from it…
by 5 plus 10 equals 6 on Mar 29, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Both sides have reasons to say what they are saying because there ARE people, believe it or not, who take the extremes for both sides. So yeah, I’m going to rec this, because I’m sick of everyone acting like this is a black and white issue.
omg it’s a black and white issue because McNabb is black.
/stephenasmith
I am the people's troll :3™
my whole point was that it's not black and white
my whole point in the post was to say that I can love McNabb and appreciate all he’s done while still thinking it’s the best time to move on.
The McNabb lovers have always seemed to indicate that ANY desire to move on without Donny was a personal affront to him and his achievements for the team. That simply isn’t true.
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
I find it odd that you told this guy to relax but said nothing to the guy who wrote an entire Fanpost with the same attitude but taking the opposite side. Biased much?
I Am Better Than Jack Who Some Fool Thinks Is Better Than Asante (IABTJWSFTIBTA)
same attitude?
I said nothing against McNabb. I said nothing in favor of Kolb.
All I said is that I’m sick of people calling me a ‘hater’ because I think it’s a good time to move on.
I have never called McNabb a choke artist, or said anything of his personality, if I argue for Kolb, I do it from a business point of view, not an emotional one.
So, while this guy mocked my post with a similar style, he did it in an emotional way, not the same attitude.
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
No he didn’t. He said “Stop saying…” just like you did. I don’t see how you can say his argument is any more emotional than yours. You both have valid points to make, but yours is no less emotional.
I Am Better Than Jack Who Some Fool Thinks Is Better Than Asante (IABTJWSFTIBTA)
yeah
in re-reading it, you’re right. I just took it personally b/c I’ve never thought McNabb was a bad leader, I’ve never thought he was a choke artist, I’ve never thought he couldn’t win the big one; and it sounded as if he was accusing me of saying those things which I’ve never even thought let alone said
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
no problem
I hear you man. There are a lot of people like you on this site, but they’re usually overshadowed by some of the more vocal figures ahem Joe_D. I love McNabb, I definitely have an emotional investment, and I think he’s our best option next year. But if he’s gone he’s gone, and Kolb will be my new man. But I gotta say, if McNabb’s on the Raiders I’m gonna have to cheer for them everytime they’re not playing us, haha. Even with Michael Jackson Marilyn Manson Al Davis running the team.
I Am Better Than Jack Who Some Fool Thinks Is Better Than Asante (IABTJWSFTIBTA)
Joe_d
is giving the rest of us a bad rapport. He’s really the only name people come up with when they think of outright ‘haters.’
In any case…if we trade McNabb, I likewise will remain a fan of his (much like I was Buckhalter and Dawkins this year). I’ve always liked McNabb.
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
I understand some people are making the points that you mock
and they should shut up. I have no use for any argument against McNabb as a ‘leader’, or a ‘guy who smiles too much’, or a ‘choke artist’…
My only point was to note that the line between loving McNabb and wanting Kolb is not an indelible line of black and white. People have been talking as if ANY desire to move on from McNabb is a personal attack on him and his achievements (I understand some people have attacked his achievements, but the media blows that minority up in a big way…in reality most people understand and appreciate what McNabb has done for this team), but it just isn’t true.
From a business perspective, I think it’s best to move on. I think for long-term success, it’s best to move on. But I refuse to be lumped into the ‘hater’ box because I’ve loved McNabb, I appreciate what he’s done, and I understand he’s still a fantastic player.
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
didn’t 26 year old McNabb suffer a broken ankle? JK, but its hard to say because we’ve never seen a good sample of Kolb. But if I needed to make a choice for one fake season, I would say McNabb. I still think he should be traded though.
"Sugah n' rainbows"
"We will steal the show, jolly Rogers go, we are wolves of the sea."
26 year old McNabb actually did what he was best at
which was run and gun… Now he just tries to gun and he’s lost what made him elite…
But in response to your question I’d take a 26 year old INJURY FREE McNabb.. Just because IDK what Kolb can do.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
with any reason
you have to take McNabb…even if you think we should move on now, you only think that b/c of his age. No one’s trying to get rid of a young McNabb
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
A 60 year old McNabb is better than a 26 year old Kolb.
The same way that people paid top $$$ to see Pavarotti at 65 years old. Talent is talent. Sorry, Kevin. You’re just not very good at football.
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
This by far...
DUMBEST point ever. Obviously the ability to keep your vocal range is the same as staying in your athletic prime. Since you debunked the myth about aging, I say we sign Sam Huff..we still need a LB and we can slide Stu to the outside. Talent is talent baby!!
It is interesting that you are a Redskins fan.
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
And a Cowboys fan.
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
And a Red Sox fan.
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
not dumb at all
i think you’re missing the point.
This is what pisses ME off...
I wish I had more time, but I’m at work right now so can’t research stats out the wazoo. You claim that us “McNabb lovers” make all kinds of ridiculous claims about your opinion that aren’t true. Well read through the comments on this post and you’ll see that what’s being said is that he can’t win a championship, he couldn’t beat the cowboys last year, yada yada yada. You look at this as though we’re playing one on one basketball. Last time I checked, there were 53 on the roster and 22 starters for every game. McNabb lost the game for us against the Cowboys?? Come on….. You think it’s coincidence that Vick came in and threw a TD? NO! The defense was forced to believe that he would RUN THE BALL and therefore couldn’t commit all their d-backs to playing the pass. Running stats for the playoff game:
- 13 total rushes (only 10 by running backs)
- 56 total yards
- Cowboys rushing yards: 198
In conclusion, yes, you are entitled to your opinion that it’s time to move on, but to talk the kind of sh!t I’ve been reading on here is absurd. You win and lose as a team and if you were to point blame at someone for our loss last year (though I opine that it’s a shared loss) you need to start with the horrendous defense and total lack of commitment to any sort of running game.
Well this is the issue with you guys
If you want to make Mcnabb seem like a “top tier, top 10 QB”, then we will treat him as such and hold him accountable for scoring 7 points in the two biggest games of the the season, with the weapons we have. If we lost 24-21 and 34-30, no one would be complaining.
Uh, did you even read what he said?
Wade Phillips isn’t the best coach in the world, but he’s a pretty good defensive coordinator. If Andy Reid doesn’t call more than 13 running plays a game, Wade Phillips is going to win that battle every time.
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We ran 13 times because we were behind majority of the game. Thats what you do when you’re behind 1-2+ TD’s. This will happen at times. Still doesn’t excuse Mcnabb, who you guys claim is a top tier QB, from putting up 7 points with a full arsenal of playmakers in 2 games.
Look, I get that when you’re behind, you have to open up the offense. My point is, there’s a lot of teams out there that pass much more than run (2 of which recently played in the super bowl.) The issue is that NO ran the ball effectively when they did it – teams had to respect the fact that they COULD run and therefore had to stack more in the box (hahahahah). We never displayed any ability whatsoever to run the ball. Going back to my basketball reference, if I know you can’t shoot with your left hand and can’t dribble with your left hand, I’m going to defend your right side hard and FORCE you to go to the left where you’re uncomfortable.
I think he is top 10.
Not by much, but he’s there. I think:
Peyton Manning
Drew Brees
Aaron Rodgers
Phillip Rivers
Tom Brady
^^ELITE^^^^^
Ben Roethlisberger
Brett Favre
Donovan McNabb
Carson Palmer
Eli Manning
^^Good established QBs^^^^^^^
Tony Romo
Matt Schaub
Matt Ryan
Jay Cutler
^^Good but unproven^^^^^^
You could make some arguments for the other guys, but if we’re talking about next season only, not future seasons and guys who will be around for 10 years, McNabb makes my top 10.
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i wouldnt have Rodgers
listed as elite quite yet
just decided they should add something to the health care bill. Everyone should be made to get a membership to a gym and must use it. If not then they should be penalized for not taking care of themselves. All in favor? Oh wait...it doesn't matter what we think.
You have Romo behind McNabb, Palmer and Eli? That is insanity.
by You don't have to be sweet, to be good on Mar 31, 2010 4:27 PM EDT reply actions
I didn’t even see that, very true.
by You don't have to be sweet, to be good on Mar 31, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I said you could argue for any of them, but I don’t think either Eli or Schaub are “proven”. Romo has one playoff win, against our injury ravaged team, and Schaub hasn’t even made the playoffs. In fact, he’s only had one full, productive season. It’s not really an order, either, it’s categories. Eli should go above palmer if it’s in order. And Palmer’s only in that category because he has a few year’s experience, he could easily be in the unproven category too. I don’t know about you, but I wouldn’t take anybody from the second category over the first, and I wouldn’t take anyone from the third category over the 2nd. That was my point.
And you really want Romo above McNabb? You’re nuts.
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Romo is like 4 years younger(not sure guesstimate) and putting up huge numbers. Playoff wins is a team stat, Romo may fold down the stretch usually but he just had a freaking monster season where he was great in December. Eli rode a great defense to a SB, he isn’t a top 10 QB and shouldn’t be in the same breathe. Schaub is debatable, if we had to play in a division with Jax, Indy and Tennessee it would be tough. Indy is a 12 win team every year and Jax/Ten are usually competitors.
by You don't have to be sweet, to be good on Mar 31, 2010 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Romo is a very good QB. Eli was an excellent QB for the 4 game stretch where they won the SB, and since then he’s gotten better. Last year he played very well. Sadly, I don’t think he’ll be the same interception machine he was prior to the Super Bowl run.
Rooting for your team doesn’t mean wearing homer goggles and saying every divisional opponent sucks.
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I think Romo is a very good QB I was trying to defend him there and even said I would take him over Donny, and Eli had 22 turnovers to 27 TDs. No thank you, not to mention the 5 other times he fumbled the ball and didn’t lose it. Bottom line he is still a turnover waiting to happen and the most overrated QB in football. I actually like all of the QBs in our division other than Eli, I think Campbell is highly underrated due to the incredible stupidity of the Redskins.
by You don't have to be sweet, to be good on Apr 1, 2010 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Are you seriously using fumbles against Eli Manning?
Most of the time, quarterbacks fumble due to getting hit from the blindside and who is responsible for protecting the quarterback’s blindside? That’s right, the left tackle.
Proof…
- Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Eli, and Mcnabb all had double digit fumbles.
- Drew Brees’ left tackle Jermon Bushrod gave up 8 sacks. Hence, Brees’s high fumble total.
- Aaron Rodgers’ left tackles Clifton/Lang gave up 9 sacks. Hence, Rodgers’ high fumble total.
- Mcnabb’s left tackle Jason Peters(who is still one of the best) gave up 6 sacks. Hence, Mcnabb’s high fumble total.
- Eli Manning’s left tackle David Diehl(who had an awful year) gave up 7 sacks. Hence, Eli’s high fumble total.
If you don’t like Eli because of his high fumble total, you shouldn’t like Brees, Rodgers, and Mcnabb either.
BTW, Tom Brady has four double digit fumble seasons, gee….he must suck too. Eli is actually a very good quarterback now, whether you like him or not.
yeah, he is. It’s too bad because I can’t stand the Mannings. Romo, however, i think is very overrated. He’s got one of the best o-lines (and they get away with holding all the time) and he still struggles really badly at times.
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Nah dude...
Their O-line is their biggest weakness. Check out BTB and read about their draft needs. They are very good run blockers but horrible in pass protection. Understandable, since Jerruh does not like drafting O-linemen and uses the linemen he has until they need canes and dentures. They have one of the oldest offensive lines in the league.
Are fumbles not turnovers? You cannot seriously be implying that a fumble is not just as bad, if not worse than an interception.
Rodgers lost 4 fumbles, Eli lost 8. Yeah that is totally a great comparison. Brees Y/A was .6 yards higher, and he threw for 7 more TDs, with 3 less ints and 2 less lost fumbles. Another ridiculous comparison.
I could care less about fumbles if you don’t lose the ball. Eli had 22 turnovers last year, that is terrible. Brady has never lost more than 5 fumbles in a season.
This isn’t that hard to understand, Eli takes care of the ball like a rookie, and therefore is not a great QB. The one time he pieced together a stretch where he actually played like a starting NFL QB they won the SB.
by You don't have to be sweet, to be good on Apr 2, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
You are quite ignorant. I won’t continue to argue with you because I can tell that you will keep coming back with idiotic arguments. I guess fumble recoveries are a one-man job. In Eli’s 6 seasons, he lost the ball 5+ times only twice.
Yes, but I said for next season only
McNabb is still playing at a high level and has more experience than Romo, Eli, and Schaub (almost combined). If you evaluate a good QB using potential as well as current ability then what you said makes sense, but if I was drafting current players for a one year solution I would give it to Mcnabb over those guys any day.
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If there was all of a sudden a fantasy draft in the NFL
Romo and Schaub would go ahead of Mcnabb because they are better than him right now.
I respectfully disagree with you there. I think McNabb is on par, if not better than those two, and has much more experience. I’d rather have McNabb in a playoff game than either of them. I know somebody will be quick to point to the stats, but remember number of attempts too.
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About comparing players
In general, when you do make a comparison like this, it’s better if you make it clear whether you are judging the players on their overall career performance or their current performance. Schaub and Rodgers, for instance, are less experienced than Brady or Favre or McNabb, but are coming off very strong years.
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I thought I did:
but if we’re talking about next season only, not future seasons and guys who will be around for 10 years, McNabb makes my top 10.
If not then my bad, I was talking about next year’s value, which would best be based off of past experience, not just one year.
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I'm suprised....
to even see romo on that list, I think he’s horrible
Honestly
People say retarded stuff on both sides (yourself included jalarsen1). You act as if it is only the people who defend McNabb that are saying that. I don’t see you attacking people like wildeagle or moradi for grossly misrepresenting (and sometimes making up) facts.
If you’re going to complain about people being overemotional and irrational, at least be consistent.
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