I think the cuts are done, lets look at the depth chart
Here was my post only yesterday
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2010/3/17/1377687/the-bad-contract-dump
Looks like the Eagles cut the rest of the fat. BGN is more reasonable as usual, but its funny seeing some of the overreaction of people asking how we could cut so many guys and we're going to need a ton of people...
Lets look at our Depth and our needs
- QB -
5 D. McNabb
7 M. Vick
4 K. Kolb
Draft: I'm still betting we'll move at least 1 QB, but we'll probably just draft a late round guy to be a 3rd QB
RB -
29 L. McCoy
-- M. Bell
34 E. Buckley
Draft: I personally think Bell takes Buckley's job as a banger and we draft a later round westbrook/McCoy style guy
FB -
43 L. Weaver
Draft: We're all set, just need a camp body in free agency that will be cut
WR -
10 D. Jackson
81 J. Avant
18 J. Maclin
84 H. Basket
Draft: We need a later round guy to compete to be our 5th WR (against Chad Hall)
- TE -
87 B. Celek
88 C. Ingram
Draft: Need probably a third to be at least a camp body and insurance in case Ingram isn't right
- OT -
74 W. Justice
71 J. Peters
65 K. Dunlap
(79 T. Herremans is the real OT back-up)
OG -
62 M. Jean-Gilles
76 S. Andrews
79 T. Herremans
77 M. McGlynn
(technically 59 N. Cole)
C
67 J. Jackson
59 N. Cole
Draft: We need a high pick on a C/G (usually 2nd/3rd round?)
So on Offense - I'm counting 1 pick needed in early rounds and 3-4 picks to be at the bottom of the depth chart
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DT -
98 M. Patterson
97 B. Bunkley
93 T. Laws
64 A. Dixon
Basically all set...
- DE -
58 T. Cole
91 D. Tapp
95 V. Abiamiri
75 J. Parker
Draft: Do we need a 5th guy if we think Tapp is a starter? This is debatable and probably mostly reliant if someone falls to us in the Draft and is a value
- MLB -
55 S. Bradley
51 J. Mays
- OLB -
53 M. Fokou
56 A. Jordan
57 C. Gocong
96 O. Gaither
Draft: We need a strongside LB or a MLB and move Bradely to the Strongside. Either way we need a top draft pick capable of being a MLB/Strong OLB for us
- CB -
22 A. Samuel
24 S. Brown
21 J. Hanson
31 E. Hobbs
23 D. Patterson
Draft: There has been talk of moving Brown and viability of Hobbs and Hanson. I expect we'll see all 4 top guys back and maybe a solid draft pick to be for the future.
- SS -
27 Q. Mikell
35 M. Harris
- FS -
28 M. Jackson
39 Q. Demps
Draft: Another debate like our DE situation. We have talent here that is arguably better than last season already, but is probably about what is available to us.
So on Defense we need a Strongside LB, Maybe top talent at FS and/or DE and a depth CB
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So for the Draft I see our priorities as
Definite Top Needs:
OG/C
Strongside/MLB
Looking for upgrades depending on whats available
FS
DE
4th/5th CB
Filler and Upside Projects:
QB (maybe)
RB (receiver speed type player)
WR (need a 5th WR)
TE (need a 3rd in case Ingram isn't all the way back)
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Summary: We have a total of only 6 draft picks this offseason, but 5 are in the top 4 rounds. I think we can expect our top needs and a couple of the upgrades drafted in those top 4 picks. The rest can be met by those 2 bottom picks and free agent signings (probably 1 year contract type guys).
As much doom and gloom I've seen different places... I like what I see.
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we dont need
two full backs and we do have Martin Rucker i think his name is who is TE and we already have 3 Rb so unless they get rid of like Eldra or something i dont see them holding 4 RB
I meant to say "camp body"..... not "draft body"
I’ll fix that
by Smallbugger on Mar 18, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
good post
I think we need a speed rush d-end, TAPP is 270, would be great inside.
I agree OLB/MLB is very important. G/C would be number 2 need and then S
Fresh, Fresher, Freshest, Fresherest
Nope, the cuts are going to continue.
It’s Andy Reid’s secret plan: to be the only one in line at those delicious gameday spreads.
At WR
You forgot Chad Hall, or you may have excluded him because you think he might not be around. I think he’ll make the roster in 2010 as our 5 guy, working as a utility RB/WR/WC guy and KR. I really like him, but I’m an optimist.
Anyways, good post. I’d like to see us take an OL before LB, but whatever is the best talent available we’ll take.
I Am Better Than Jack Who Some Fool Thinks Is Better Than Asante (IABTJWSFTIBTA)
I thought of him, but he'll compete
I tried to list guys on the roster last year/going to be on the roster this year definately
by Smallbugger on Mar 18, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Hall
Will at worst be a special teamer KR and KO
They gave him a 3 year deal not a 1 year camp body contract.
by sowhatifitisasportste on Mar 18, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
If none of it’s guaranteed then whoopdeedoo? They could sign him to a 100 year contract and cut him the next day if they feel like it.
I am the people's troll :3™
Yeah, but they really like him
I honestly think he’s gonna have a big impact on our team, I think when Jackson or Maclin need a breather Avant will move outside and Hall will play the slot.
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hall
hall sucks .. small white and hasnt played in two years =worse than hank baskett
by jack is better than asante on Mar 18, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
you'd have to suck to be worse than hank baskett..
only category hank beats him in is the “best looking wife that so happens to be an ex-playmate”. hank’s got the edge there
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
But how can you argue the logic?
I mean, JIBTA did point out that the guy is white… There have never been any good white receivers. Because y’know Steve Largent, Wayne Chrebet, Ricky Proehl, Ed McCaffrey, Wes Welker, Kevin Walter, Joe Jurevicious, Fred Biletnikoff are all black.
I mean really JIBTA, racism? That’s even below your standards.
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No its not
you don’t remember that Bradley is no good because he’s a white LB? Whitey needs to keep to hockey, those freaking Honkey ass crackers. Go Black Panthers! The revolution is coming.
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by Talon Talent on Mar 19, 2010 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions
haha
i happen to be white .. and all those wrs are average at best except maybe largent
by jack is better than asante on Mar 19, 2010 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Fred Biletnikoff
I wasn’t alive then, but I’m pretty sure that dude wasn’t average.
But I don’t want to be the guy arguing that white guys are sweet WRs.
If I had a concern about Hall, though, it would be newness to the offense/NFL and his size before his skin tone.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
And that would be a valid opinion
And it appears as though you haven’t passed judgment on him just yet. This guy could rack up 1600 yards and 15 TDs and JIBTA would still say he sucks.
And I’m not arguing that white WRs are great, I’m just arguing that we shouldn’t make judgments based on skin color, positive or negative.
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For what we're paying hall
If he put up the numbers of any of those players then we got a bargain. Give the guy a chance to play before you pass judgment.
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by DeSean10 on Mar 19, 2010 12:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Cocaine is a powerful drug
A wise man once said.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
cocaine is a hell of a drug...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PR_rzF8ofw
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Mar 20, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
chad hall = hank number 2
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by NorthPhillyKid on Mar 19, 2010 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Be careful, bro.
When he gets a 3 year deal and three Eagles coaches call his workout “phenomenal”, you might want to hold back judgment a little bit.
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Three Eagles coaches...
…said that Mike Mamula’s workout was “phenomenal.” And we did take Freddie Mitchell in the first round. I wouldn’t put too much stock in our ability to successfully evaluate talent.
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
Hey hey, be fair
Mamula wasn’t this FO’s fault.
Mitchell was though…
About 10 minutes ago, I was pondering my own existence. Then I decided that it didn't matter.
but on a serious note
I think we’ve cut all the dead money we have, there isn’t anybody who is a grossly overpaid backup left.
Possibly the only other guy at risk is Trevor Laws, but I doubt they do that to a third-year guy unless they bring somebody else in.
Thats why I made the post
I really don’t see anything done beyond trading a LB or QB (but probably only for more picks).
Our needs and wants are mostly defined now
by Smallbugger on Mar 18, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
He'll make $832,500
Probably worth keeping him
by Smallbugger on Mar 18, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I know.
If he gets cut (which is doubtful) I doubt it would be due to money. I mentioned him because he seems most at risk (a low risk, mind you) of the returning guys on the roster to get cut.
by alcatraz0109 on Mar 18, 2010 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Kevin Kolb...
…we could cut him.
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
also...
you forgot wright…
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Mar 18, 2010 10:27 PM EDT reply actions
I didn't list guys not on the active roster
Your right… he’ll be our camp body probably and maybe on the scout team
by Smallbugger on Mar 18, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Wright, Mallett, Hall
I agree with Smallbugger, I don’t think all three of them should be considered ‘on the roster’ yet. In fact, I have serious doubts that any of them will be on the roster for Week 1, considering their buy-low status, even Chad Hall.
by alcatraz0109 on Mar 18, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
okay...
but if you’re posting about our depth and talking about camp bodies. why not include the camp bodies that are ALREADY on the team.
it’s not a projection on what will be on our team wk 1, it was about what is currently on the Eagles.
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Mar 18, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
either way doesn't matter...
I would assume all the ‘camp body’ types won’t get released until camp anyway.
Maybe one or two get swapped around the draft but either way, they don’t have significant roles anyway right now
by alcatraz0109 on Mar 18, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
forget it...
you’re missing the point…
it’s a post about depth and he’s leaving players off the list. they’re all depth untill cut downs.
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Mar 18, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
no i know what you meant
i boarded a different train of thought by mistake
by alcatraz0109 on Mar 18, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Dwayne Wright came over shortly after the season ended. I forget the exact date, but he came very soon after we got Bobby April.
by alcatraz0109 on Mar 18, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
He's listed as a FB
Like I said before… I didn’t really count the more minor signings
by Smallbugger on Mar 18, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
we usually keep 5 RB/FBs
just a note…so I expect Wright to compete for a roster spot, especially considering he’s a big time special teams guy, and he played for Bobby April in Buffalo
by birds'n'raiders on Mar 19, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Three guys (maybe)
1. Hanson – He played really poorly after he came back from his ‘suspension’ and the Eagles might look to get out of a long contract that looks like it might be a mistake. If they draft a CB high in the draft and if they think Hobbs can come back, I would be surprised at all to see Hanson get chopped. Odds: I say 50/50 right now.
2. Rocca – Again this is a guy who isn’t making a ton ($1.1M next year) but is an older year who might get pushed out for several reasons (e.g., news special teams coordinator, inconsistency) . Odds: 25 percent
3. Vick – Just because the Eagles gave him a the $1M roster bonus this month doesn’t mean they are going to be willing to have him be the No. 3 QB on the depth chart at large dollars either. I would be pretty surprised if the Eagles just released him outright and instead took what they could get in a trade even if it was a less pick (4th/5th round pick). Odds: >10 percent
I can agree with all three
With Hanson… we cut the dead weight we knew wasn’t worth the money… Hanson probably can’t be defined as that (yet)
I doubt we’ll draft a punter, but I fully expect to see completion as well.
Only way I see us keeping Vick is if Kolb or McNabb is gone next season and we want him as the primary back-up. Like I said under QB… I expect 1 of them gone.
by Smallbugger on Mar 18, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
We won't draft a punter
We signed Durant Brooks, the Redskins’ 6th round from a few years ago. Big leg, but wasn’t effective for them and got cut.
For some reason, I think this dude is going to take Rocca’s job this offseason.
But we definitely don’t need to add a prospect here. We’ve got probably as good a punter (prospect) as you could have beyond the 32 or so that were with teams last year.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
Remember Martin Rucker
He expected to make an impact at the TE position or at least challenge for a spot. People seem to keep forgetting him.
Rucker
fck Im not familiar with him either. He’s good?
hes athletic as hell
but btw Macho would be the backup FS as he is faster and a better cover guy than Demps, Demps would serve as the backup SS.
I don't think Macho is faster than Demps
he might be a bigger hitter, but the only thing that ever made demps stand out was his speed…he’s REALLY fast
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
demps ran a 4.35 40 time
dude is blazing fast.
And on Macho Harris, people don’t realize it because he looks pretty small, but he was the most reliable tackler (short of Sheldon Brown) in our secondary. He might now look like a big dude, but he is one damn sure tackler.
I’m no where near close to giving up on Macho.
Also, Demps’ speed and ballhawking is what makes him an ideal 3rd saftey. I know we all remember him getting pwnd by Larry Fitzgerald as a rookie (but c’mon, that’s Larry Fitzgerald we are talking about), but you might not remember how many 3-saftey sets we ran with him back in ‘08. If JJ liked him, I goddamn love him. Don’t give up on these guys.
by birds'n'raiders on Mar 19, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
They pointed out that he was a sure tackler on IgglesBlog. I remember when JIBTA was confronted with the stats. It was funny as hell.
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bull shit
macho didnt tackle a thing all year .. he sucks ass .. he was never in positon to make a tackle .. hes too slow and unathletic
by jack is better than asante on Mar 19, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Annnnnd once again:
“Everyone keeps talking about Macho Harris’ size as a detriment at the safety position, but the stats above confirm my anecdotal recollection that he’s in fact one of the best tacklers on the team. He missed only 2 tackles all season for a success rate of 94.8%”
And just to reiterate, JIBTA: you’re wrong about everything, you’re delusional, you can’t punctuate or spell, your football conclusions are worthless, and you’re a feckless waste of blood and organs who contributes nothing to the site beyond stupid, poorly written and incorrectly metered poetry.
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What?
That stat is garbage. He had 28 tackles all year. 28. For a free safety in 527 snaps. Thats garbage. He’s no where near the ball like he should be. QB’s were completing 77% of the throws thrown at Harris, QB’s had a 140.2 QB rating when throwing to him. Macho Harris is garbage.
I said garbage so many times there
but Macho Harris wasn’t good at all. In any aspect.
Actually
He’s listed as having 35. Where’d you get that number?
For that matter, where’d you get all those numbers?
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ya, I'm pretty interested in finding that out as well
so, where are those numbers from?
by birds'n'raiders on Mar 19, 2010 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
yes
thank you serbia .. someone realizes how bad he is
by jack is better than asante on Mar 19, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Its is funny
But Macho is easily one of the most decisive players on this board. Many are either big supporter (eagleswin, wild_eagle, dsmith215) while he also has many detractors (myself, JIBTA, Team Serbia).
wild eagle
he also likes gocong so what does that tell you
by jack is better than asante on Mar 21, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
wtf JIBTA, you bitch and moan when people bring you up
so why do you do it to other people???
I think Gocong could be a good DE. I’d maintained that opinion throughout.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
Macho's a decent tackler
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
Was wondering
Where the president of the ‘Macho Harris’ fan club was at. Generally agree that when Harris did get close to a play, he generally made the tackle.
Yo, I'm not in some "macho harris fan club" nor am I the president...
I run the shit and its more like a dictatorship…
No but really I dont have anything to do w/ the fan club, think that you all just flip out on him because he isnt Dawk, I think that he did a good job and that when he was in position he made the tackle, now due to his inexpirience he was out of position at times but that’ll come with playing time.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
no it wont
it wont come with playing time .. cuz if hes getting playing time we are in trouble ..hes horrible .. hes to small slow and unathletic .. he will never be more than a special teamer
by jack is better than asante on Mar 21, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
lol and your boy Demps is obviously the answer right???
Demps is awful, he cant tackle, he cant cover, he cant keep outta trouble, there’s nothing at all about Demps that show’s he’s half way decent, the guy doesnt even put fourth an effort to tackle unless its a cheap shot.
Macho CAN tackle, he CAN cover, he does NOT commit stupid penalties and actually shows some promise, oh and he actually puts forth an effort.
Plus as a Safety you dont have to be super fast, I know this contridicts what you’ve learned in madden over the years but hey reality sucks sometimes…
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
actually
macho sucks in coverage too .. im sure he can tackle .. never said he count .. he just isnt fast enough to get there .. you never hear his name . cuz he sucks .. demps happens to have blazing speed
by jack is better than asante on Mar 21, 2010 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Reality is
both are not good enough at this point to serve the need we have at FS.
Macho can tackle and at a 4.4 40 not all that slow. But his coverage skills are very lacking, and he over estimates his cathc up speed at times.
Demps is very fast, but that is it. He is a weak tackler, and his strength is coverage, but he isn’t any better then Macho when it comes to that. he also is lazy and the fact that he was the front runner for the FS position and got beaten out by a rookie who was originally a CB, says a lot about his abilities.
They both lack and they both are huge question marks until future notice.
"I will never have my best season," Brian Dawkins
"All I have in this world is my balls and my word and I don't break them for no one." Scarface
by Talon Talent on Mar 21, 2010 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Hmmm.
First off, I thought I was president of the Macho fan club. Have I been impeached? Well, I like Wild_Eagle. We can share it.
After watching more and more film of him, I’m beginning to think that Macho projects better as a SS than a free. Particularly if he keeps adding weight at the rate he is.
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Im thinking we go either CB
Or Safety in the first… egven though we never draft safeties in the first… D-lined efinitely somewhere in there
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
Agreed
I think we’ll get a DB or an OL with our first picks, unless there’s a steal still left on the board.
Looking Mean in Kelly Green
by goodfella46er on Mar 18, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Is macho
faster than demps? Im not very impressed with macho yet. He made a couple plays but seemed to be more worried about mistakes than playing.
40 yard dash
Google search…
Demps 4.38
Harris 4.46
by Smallbugger on Mar 18, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice
Demps looks faster but with the way some guys run its hard to tell.
When 40 times are that close
It says nothing about how fast they play on game day.
I notice no real difference in speed between the two of them.
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Thats almost
a full second faster. Thats about 4-5 steps. But I agree running in a straight line is way different than turning your hips and changing direction. Game speed really is the latter. Speed only matters when you miss step.
Actually
That’s 0.08 seconds faster. i.e. less than a tenth of a second. Which is nowhere near a full second.
I agree with you on the latter part of your point, though.
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But
Its enough separation to get beat on a long ball.
It's probably not
.08 seconds is almost definitely not going to be debilitating unless it’s a 60 yard pass.
If you’re .08 seconds behind a guy, that’s about 1-2 steps, not about 4-5 steps. It takes ~that amount of time to blink.
If he can make up for it with, ya know, being able to jump or raise his arm, it won’t mean shit on a long ball.
Unless that ball is thrown perfectly, in which case it won’t matter how fast you are — just gotta tip your hat to the opposing QB and say good fucking play.
Well i'm obviously talking about the long ball
and 1-2 steps is enough room for a good QB to put it in there. Lead the receiver forward, where he grabs the ball above his shoulder, and you have a completion.
by Team Serbia on Mar 19, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Guys...
Come on, dudes.
You can’t take 2 running steps in eight one-hundredths of a second.
Seriously.
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Uh, you could get a lead approximately equal to the distance you can travel in two running steps. It’s just easier to say “two step lead”.
I am the people's troll :3™
No, you couldn't.
Usain Bolt’s is the world’s fastest man, with a top speed of 27.59 mph, or just over 40 fps. Even if we assume the difference in speed capability is applied when in full stride/at full speed, (when it would be most in favor of your argument,) the distance traveled at Usain Bolt speed in .08 seconds is almost exactly 3 feet.
The two problems with your assertion, then are obvious. First, the difference in speed would not be applied in one magic burst once in full stride, thus mitigating the advantage’s affect over the course of the run. Second, neither of the gentlemen in question are as fast as Usain Bolt.
A quick-and-dirty number crunch, assuming (generously) that both Demps and Harris are ~90% as fast as Bolt and allowing for the incremental application of the 1.8% differential in 40 times gives us about 2.09 feet.
This, obviously, is far less than the distance traveled by any NFL player in two running steps.
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Dude, it’s funny that you’re trying to sound smart but you’re making yourself look dumber.
I am the people's troll :3™
And let’s be clear here: I’m not saying that two people, running side by side, in a straight line, with a timed difference of .08 would be miles apart. I know that. All these players have nearly equal running speeds, yet some of them don’t allow 2 step leads and some of them do.
However, those two people can be a step or two apart on any given play.
I am the people's troll :3™
Yomjoe.
Read what you wrote.
“Uh, you could get a lead approximately equal to the distance you can travel in two running steps.”
Do you understand why that isn’t true? Do you understand that the distance traveled in two running steps is more than 2 feet?
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Also
I’m sorry that you interpret my writing as “trying to sound smart”.
I mean, would you rather I used smaller words?
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actually
that was a pretty detailed and convincing argument.
Yes, it’s possible to get a two step lead on a guy, but that’s not raw speed, it’s quickness off the line coupled with the defenders reads and instincts. For example, if the CB moves in or stands still to jam the WR off the line, but fails, when he turns, he’ll be a couple steps behind. He didn’t get out run, he got out-maneuvered.
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
He was taking it way too literally though. If one dude is faster than another, he can get ONE or TWO steps on him over the course of 40-60 yards.
If we’re talking Olympic sprinters, and one finishes .08 seconds behind the other, yeah it’s probably like 3/4ths of a step.
I am the people's troll :3™
3/4ths of a step???
Fuck that bro, no way 0.8 equates to 3/4ths of a step, I’d put that at 2 steps with how fast some of them assholes are.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
You're right.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4llvQiYkUZ8&feature=related
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
Meant to be a reply to yom.
He is right.
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
Macho is too slow
To definitely play CB at the NFL level (every scout pretty much agreed on that) and probably at the FS position as well. If he has a fit on this team going ahead forward, it is as a special teams conributor and potential starter at SS in 2 yrs.
looking
at our recent moves DE/S seems to be where we go 1/2. CB are pretty deep and not a lot of teams are looking for step in starters. But obviously if there is somone they really like at any position they are gone.
It seems most of the Eagles signings/trades
have been to allow them to be flexible in the draft without having too many pressing needs
by Smallbugger on Mar 18, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I see our needs as
(1) OG/C to begin with, after the release of Shawn I think this is top priority, I dont wanna fuck around with our OL
(2) FS, Just get the best value here
(3) SAM LB, lower due to Fokou maybe being good, he’s got alot of talent plus if it doesnt work out we can always make a trade up to week 6 for a guy who’s fallen out of favor.
(4) CB of the future.
(5) RB, maybe that one RB/WR hybrid guy, I forget his name damn it.
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I dont see how LB isnt our #1 priority.
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"Bye, Mac"
I dont
think 1. they played that bad last yr. Even with all the switching around. 2. I dont think LB’s do that much for us. When was our last stud LB?
Linebackers don't do much for us
Because of the system we play. We expect our DTs to stop the run which is why they play a 2 gap system, and against the pass we expect our D-line and blitzes to either get to the QB or force a turnover. With the exception of the blitzing, the LBs don’t play much into the equation which is why Andy never put much emphasis on them. I don’t think its a good idea personally, but I’m not in the position to call him out. People seem to think we just started doing this LB shuffling thing when in all honesty, its been happening for awhile now, it was just at its worst this year. It started in 2007 when Stewart took over the starting spot from Gaither in the middle against the Saints and Gaither took the Will spot from Takeo, then went into next season when where it died down and it was a battle between Akeem and Gaither and Gocong started getting subbed a lot more along the season. Plus, the LBs did play bad for us this year. It just got to a point to where it was so bad, it couldn’t get any worse so it looked like it was getting better. Bradley coming back will have an impact…..I just don’t know how much of one, and as every body knows I am pessimistic when it comes to Bradley at MLB.
2 gap system
I thought the whole point of playing your linemen in a 2 gap sistem was to get blockers off of LB’s and let them make the tackle, I could be wrong though
They say
the LB’s arent that important in this system BUT they blitz and clean up the run. If we had a guy who was good at blitzing our blitzes might work better!
I still stick by they didnt play that bad because besides for a little more than a handful of plays they didnt really mess up too badly. Were they making tackles in the back field, sacking the QB, causing TO’s….? No but Willie T was the last LB I remember causing TO’s on a consistent basis. Stews return will hopefully bring back guys making tackles in the back field. BUT AGAIN, if we had better LB’s wouldn’t our D make more plays?
Well.
1. Bradley’s coming back.
2. Akeem was tearing it up before he got hurt.
3. Fokou shows a lot of promise and has already bulked up. He weighs around 240 now.
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Fokou's biggest problems
To play SAM, you need to react quickly and have good strength especially in your lower body. Even though Fokou scored pretty well on his Wonderlic IQ test and is by most accounts a pretty smart off the field he was slow at recognizing plays last year. His strength was also lacking too especially in his lower body.
Fokou can always work to increase his strength (he did notably bulk up and become stronger at Maryland) but I don’t know if he has the awareness/reaction needed to start at the SAM position. Eagles will likely go through a bunch of growing pains if he is their planned starting option there next year. Like him much more as a reserve OLB who contributes on special teams (e.g., Ike Reese-type player).
Hmmmmm.
I’ll provisionally accept your analysis of his strength issues, but he is getting and will likely continue to get stronger.
However, I disagree that he had trouble diagnosing plays. What always made him stand out to me were his great instincts and nose for the ball. Also, he’s tough and a big hitter, which is important to have since a lot of our non-standard rush packages leave the SAM at the POA.
Also, I think that play recognition is actually a bigger deal for the WILL in the Eagles’ defensive system.
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Go look
At this scouting reports and 225 reps from the combine, they were pretty damn weak and all of the scouting reports said he needed to improve this strength.
As for recognition, there is a reason teams ran delays, draws, and counters all day against the Eagles the last few weeks of the season. It wasn’t only Fokou fault but he gotten eaten up on those plays against the Boys the last 2 games.
Fokou can improve this strength & conditioning this offseason to add a bit of bulk and muscle. The ‘recognition’ thing too might improve a bit especially his ability in coverage with more experience. I just don’t know if he is good enough to start.
Lets get them all.
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so many spoons!
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
Obviously the Eagles didn't want confusion with the Fans yelling SPOON!
by Smallbugger on Mar 19, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
that was my thought.
it’s the spoon conspiracy.
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
SPOON!
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by greenbean#twoOH on Mar 19, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
MAX
look at my man MAX on top of the guards depth chart .. and herremans where he belongs. . good job sir
by jack is better than asante on Mar 18, 2010 11:58 PM EDT reply actions
They also still have Westy starting at RB.
It will all change at the start of the season.
I don't know what it is about your face,
[holds up fist]
but I just wanna deliver one of these right in your suck hole.
Never mind.
I thought you were talking about the dc on PE.com
I don't know what it is about your face,
[holds up fist]
but I just wanna deliver one of these right in your suck hole.
Max
singlehandedly lost us the game against Oakland. Ya, moreso than King fucking Dunlap. Dunlap faced the largest, most powerful DE in the league in Dick Seamour, and Max went up against the worst interior DLine in the league, the likes of Gerard Warren and Tommy Kelly.
Thanks, Max
by birds'n'raiders on Mar 19, 2010 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
bull shit
they are not the worst dts .. not even close .. they are not bad .. kelly is good
by jack is better than asante on Mar 19, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
If the Eagles select a LB it will probably be a WILL LB. They like Fokou a lot and Jordan is only under contract for one more year.
Fokou
Is he really the starter? I would assume the comp is open between he and Gocong still.
We have a bunch of Will LBs
The only SAM we have is Fokou or Bradley (who we want in the middle).
I doubt the Eagles will risk not having more depth and talent to play SAM this season or we just wind-up playing the LB shuffle again if an injury hits.
i don't know who's gonna agree/disagree, but
i really like fokou
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
same here
but the team has concerns about Akeem’s coverage. That’s the word.
by birds'n'raiders on Mar 19, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Do we need a 5th guy if we think Tapp is a starter? This is debatable and probably mostly reliant if someone falls to us in the Draft and is a value
There’s no way we go into the season with 4 DE’s. I believe we had 7 last year.
Yeah Clemons, Babin, and Howard didn’t contribute all that much as far as production goes, but they’re legit backup/rotational guys. We’re going to need at least two more DE’s that can fill that role.
I’d think we’ll get one DE in the early rounds of the draft, but I don’t know where we’ll get the other one.
Projects or UDFA's
usually end up on the Practice Squad or cut.
I agree with you that we’ll most likely add a late round or UDFA DE, but I don’t think that’s good enough. We need six legit DE’s that can play on opening day I’d think. That means we probably need 7-9 DE’s on the 80-man roster for Training Camp.
Hypothetically, the 1st/2nd round DE makes it five DE’s on the roster… another UDFA makes it six going into camp. That’s not enough.
For insurance purposes
yeah I think so. You think 5 is enouhg?
If we go with 5 and 2 guys get injured, then we’re scrounging for bodies or else the DE’s are playing the whole game.
Eh, a 6th DE is a 6th DE, whether we have him all year or we sign him during the season. I don’t think there’s any legitimate reason to keep 6 on the roster.
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Yeah I hear what you’re saying… but we had 7 last year.
Just sayin, I’d feel much more comfortable with 6 rather than 4 and a rookie.
I think we’re more likely to pick up a DT/DE hybrid guy to replace Darren Howard.
Cole, Parker, Abiamiri, Babin, Clemons, Howard… who was the 7th?
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I must've been mistaken
I don’t know where I got 7 from. You’re right… it was 6. Haha.
Now that I know that, then I agree that 5 should probably do the job. I was thinking we had 7 last year with 2 or 3 of them being more backup/rotational guys. Now with Tapp, I agree that 6 would probably be a surplus.
My bad.
But as far as training camp goes… it’d probably be good to have at least 7 or 8 at the start of camp. I believe we had 8 last year and cut 2.
Noone on our LDE side was a 3 down DE. Tapp is, so you’ll see much less rotation. He can play the run and get to the QB, which is more than Parker/Howard could do. We’ll pick up one more, but no need for 6.
by Team Serbia on Mar 19, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I understand Tapp is a 3-down guy
Maybe we have two Coles at both DE positions. If that’s the case then we’re set with Parker, Abiamiri, and a rookie as the backups. But if the inevitable happens and two guys get injured, then we’re in trouble.
Last year, if two guys got injured, we were ok. That’s my only point.
Another mistake in my post...
I expect us to fill in numbers… I’m more talking about bringing in impact players. I’d expect probably 5 DEs on the roster and a 6th on the practice squad, but with our 4 guys do we now go out of our way to get another high draft pick?
It seems most of the Eagles signings RB, FS, DE has been to get possible starters/large contributors so we are more capable of picking-up the best player available in our draft instead of over-drafting a definite need.
center
we have AQ shipley at center too…he may turn out better than nick cole and allow us to keep nick as a guard
I’ve seen depth charts that list Dallas Reynolds and Mike McGlynn at center also. Fenuki Tupou is going to make some noise in camp. I’m not sure we draft a lineman early at all.
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$41.5 million in "Budget" Space and 21 roster spots to fill.
I wanted to go a little farther into the “Roster” topic.
Budget Space
According to EaglesCap.com we now have about $41.5 million in “budget” (cap) space after the recent cuts. Keep in mind, this number does not include Darryl Tapp and Mike Bell. Now this “budget” space is only hypothetical considering the fact that there is no cap this year. It’s pretty obvious that we won’t be spending all of the money available under the “cap” but $41.5 mill is a lot of money that could potentially be used to improve the roster.
Roster Spots
Now to go along with that, according to PhiladelphiaEagles.com we have 62 players on the roster. They are still considering FA’s Jason Babin, Jeremiah Trotter, Tracy White, and Alex Smith as still being on the roster. They also can’t add Mike Bell until New Orleans officially declines to match his offer sheet.
So let’s update the roster for them. Bear with me…
Babin looks like he’s headed to Tennessee. I think we bring back Tracy White, but Alex Smith and Trotter are also gone. So if we count Bell and White in, hypothetically, that takes us to 60 guys on the roster.
The training camp roster allows a maximum of 80 players, so that leaves us with 20 roster spots to fill with only six draft picks (eight including comp picks).
I know I keep saying this, but hypothetically, if we don’t add any more picks through draft day trades, that leaves 12 roster spots to fill.
We could fill those 12 spots by signing 12 UDFA’s, but if we have eight rookie draftee’s and 12 UDFA’s, that leaves us with A LOT of money leftover. Do you think we fill the 20 roster spots with incoming rookies/UDFAs, or are there a couple more roster moves to be made?
I’m hoping there’s more moves to be made. What do you think?
I get your point, but the question comes down to who?
I think trading a couple LBs is still viable, but probably only for draft picks.
I’m just unsure if there is a free agent out there we could blow some money on.
I would think as soon as the CBA gets passed, we’ll see the Eagles continue to sign their young talent to longer term deals. So the Free money helps insure we keep our young core of players for a long time.
Crazy to think about, but this roster is young fairly cheap and really talented. Dumb side note…. a Madden Franchise Mode Dream, lol
True
The answer is probably easier than it seems. For the most part I guess we’re done looking at outside players to bring in. Most likely we’re gonna go into the draft and fill the roster that way while also saving a bunch of money.
I guess the only other possible move would be to trade a QB… if that even happens.
I liked reading this
I think McNabb gets traded for players or picks same as Vick
Maybe even Cogong. well ….. The Gocong thing i just threw out there because I hate him on the team . he can play better in a 3-4.
Yeah
I like the idea of trading Gocong. I don’t think it’s out of the question. I’m sure he’s gotten some “sniffs” from some 3-4 teams.
I’m wondering if there’s another Tapp-like trade that we’re not seeing.
Like Gocong and a draft pick for a player. Or maybe someone other than Gocong.
Good post
You should have just made this a seperate post. It is timely and accurate. Likely going to be 1-2 more players dealt (Gocong, one of the QBs) but you points about the Eagles have a fair amount of cash to spend & having alot of roster spots to fill is pretty timely. Even with the Bell & Baskett signings, this is a team right now that still has at least 3-4 spots to fill with starters (FS, SAM, MIKE C, RG) and doesn’t have much if any depth at a bunch of positions (LB, FS, G, T, WR).
yes
but some people can’t see him as having the ability to be good, or they would rather he play an outside position. I like him, right where he is.
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by Talon Talent on Mar 21, 2010 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I havent read all of these but I think WR Jordan Norwood who was on the practice squad last year will be on the roster at least at this point to fill in that 5th WR spot along with chad hall
agree
Norwood was actually even on the active roster for one week late in the season. Norwood and Hall should be good candidates for 5th WR (although Halls PR/KR abilities could give him an edge). As we saw last year, that doesn’t mean that they won’t still draft another WR in the later rounds, but I don’t consider that a need position, even for depth.
Yeah
I think Collins has a slight advantage over Norwood and Hall. They seem to like his potential… not to mention his decent size too.
he's 6'2"
but he’s only 178lbs….hopefully hall or collins takes over for dj on punt return.
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by greenbean#twoOH on Mar 19, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that could be Hall's role.
According to my buddy who went to AF, he was a hell of a return man. Caplan also wrote that the Birds see him primarily as a return specialist. Maybe he can help.
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DeSean
will be on Punt returns as long as DeSean wants to be on punt returns. He isn’t a RB who gets pounded on every play like Westy was. He will be returning for us for a while.
by birds'n'raiders on Mar 19, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Possible.
I guess I’m just not convinced that it’s his decision. I know the dude’s a gamebreaker, I just wouldn’t be surprised if the coaching staff decides he’s too valuable to have out there.
PRs can take some pretty scary hits sometimes…
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How often to punt returners get injured while on punt returns? I don’t think it happens as much as everybody thinks that it happens.
About 10 minutes ago, I was pondering my own existence. Then I decided that it didn't matter.
I think its less about how often it happens and more about the severity of the injuries. You gotta figure that these guys can get absolutely teed off on with these big defenders flying from 60 yards down the field at full speed while the returner is trying to set his feet for a juke. When you send four linebackers at a 170 lb WR the injury risk is frightening.
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I guess so...
But I still think we need DJax returning punts. Despite the risk of serious injury, the more than man touches the ball the better our chances of scoring a touchdown. Besides, I’ve only seen Jackson get hit clean one time, and that was on a crossing route. I can’t recall a single time he’s been leveled on a punt return.
About 10 minutes ago, I was pondering my own existence. Then I decided that it didn't matter.
Be like Westbrook when he became the starting RB
Other guys will do the majority of returns and DJ will return punts late in close games when we need something big to happen
by Smallbugger on Mar 19, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions

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