Eagles Swap Clemons & 4th Rounder for DE Tapp
According to an official team release, the Eagles have just traded reserve defensive end Chris Clemons and a 2010 4th round draft pick to acquire the Seahawks' Darryl Tapp. Here's the skinny:
Originally a second round draft pick of the Seahawks in 2006, Tapp (6-1, 270) has appeared in 64 games (32 starts) in his four-year career, posting 177 tackles, 18 sacks, eight forced fumbles, four fumble recoveries, and two interceptions, including one returned for a touchdown. He totaled 49 tackles and 2.5 sacks in 16 games (five starts) in 2009.
Tapp's best season came in 2007 when he started in all 16 games and recorded a career-high seven sacks. That year, he tied a Seahawks club record for sacks in a game with four vs. St. Louis on October 21.
A four-year letterman at Virginia Tech, Tapp earned first-team All-America honors and was given the Dudley Award as the top Division I player in the Commonwealth of Virginia. He finished his college career with 187 tackles and 23.5 sacks.
According to multiple Twitter reports, this is the same 4th round pick that the Eagles received as part of the Lito Sheppard's move to the New York Jets. The Eagles have already signed Tapp to an extension, making it a busy day for the front office. All that remains now for the deal to be official is for Tapp to pass a physical.
This was yet another solid move by the Eagles FO. Although he isn't a superstar yet, the 25 year old Tapp has a huge amount of potential and is definitely an upgrade over the situational Clemons. Whether he's worth that added 4th round pick remains to be seen, but it's worth the risk. Tapp is a very physical player with experience at both ends of the line. Expect him to challenge Juqua Parker for the starting LDE position this training camp.
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bobq
to the rescue ! lol for the front page that is
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Thank you, thank you
I just got home from dinner, saw my Eagles Twitter feed exploding and wrote something quick. Didn’t expect there to be another move today!
I actually like the pickup...
He can do it all and he’s what we needed opposite of Cole. plus he’s young
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
what was chris clemmons?
An older rotation guy?
by cavortingEagle on Mar 16, 2010 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
7th in the league
in qb hurries this year, and he’s good against the run. maybe his sack numbers weren’t high, but his stats are good. we’ve got a 3 down guy here. High possibility he excels in the eagles system, he’s coming to a better line….
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by greenbean#twoOH on Mar 16, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
pressure
I like pressure from the fount 4 with ball hawking corners
by sowhatifitisasportste on Mar 16, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
actually he's a 3 down guy, everyone says it... Mora benched him last year b/c
Mora’s an idiot.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
what side of the line does tapp play on?
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I like it.
Upgrade at DE and he’s still young and has tremendous upside. My dad is a Seahawk fan and was ticked they got rid of Tapp. Think it was a great move.
Like the screen name
Kid went to my school with the last name Przywara, hardest name to spell ever haha.
And I also love this move.
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Maybe he can be as successful as the Seahawk we got (Weaver)
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There are more than 600 comments about this trade at Field Gulls
And they are uniformly negative. At least they think the Eagles got a steal.
I just recorded an interview Tapp just did for Late Hits on Sirius NFL Radio. He sounded very, very excited to be part of the Eagles. He said that he’d be in Philadelphia tomorrow to put the ink to the paper on a new contract.
by andyreidswaistline on Mar 16, 2010 9:36 PM EDT reply actions
Listen to interview here (download).
Special thanks to Sirius NFL Radio – Late Hits with Ross Tucker & Gil Brandt.
by andyreidswaistline on Mar 16, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Welcome D Tapp!
I actually had several classes with Darryl at Virginia Tech and got to know him pretty well. You couldn’t ask for a nicer guy. Relaxed, smart and unfailingly humble. He worked hard and took summer classes to actually get his B.S. degree a semester early, and he wasn’t in a joke major either. That’s really rare for surefire NFL-types, and speaks to him as a person.
As far as football goes, he has an incredible work ethic and one of those non-stop motors that seem to do DEs lots of good. I think his lack of playing time last year was due to schematics more than ability. We’ll see how it goes, but he was absolutely unblockable in college and drew constant double teams. He’s also added 15 lbs since his rookie year, so hopefully he can put it all together (at 255 he set several strength records for his position at VT). I trust McDermott must’ve thought highly of him for this move to happen.
I’m not cashing any checks yet, but I really like the move and I fully expect him to surprise people as an opening day starter and key cog across from Cole. And if he doesn’t, it certainly won’t be for lack of effort. I’m very stoked on this move.
Getting an established, starting caliber DE for a fourth round pick and Clemons (so basically, for a fourth round pick) is a move I can get behind.
I just have feeling Gibson turns out to be big
…for some reason he always ends up in every discussion here at sbnation. plus the fact that we got nothing in return for Will…it just reeks of one of those stories they play 5 years from now in one of those “worst trade of the decades” discussion they have at Behind the Lines
I really feel like he has a lot of untapped potential. Anyone? Anyone? No? I tried.
by You don't have to be sweet, to be good on Mar 16, 2010 9:58 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
as long as he doesnt bite anyone...
finally a good move for this offseason. this could turn out really good move and opens up the draft to more options.
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by greenbean#twoOH on Mar 16, 2010 9:58 PM EDT reply actions
Not a name I recognized immediately, but...
Upon reading up a bit on Tapp and looking at the reaction that this move is getting over on Field Gulls, and knowing how little Clemons contributed last season (not at all), I’d say we got a steal with this trade.
Check this out: http://www.fieldgulls.com/2010/3/4/1357720/what-separates-aaron-kampman-and
18 sacks in his first 4 seasons is more than Aaron Kampman or Kyle Vanden Bosch had in their first 4, and the article makes a very good point that usually DEs only explode around age 25 or so. If this is the case with Tapp, we may have just gotten a guy who can play both end positions and put up double digit sacks – in which case, this is great value for us. If he doesn’t pan out, well, he’ll still probably end up being an upgrade over Clemons, and the fourth rounder was a luxury pick anyway.
We should thank Clemons
He totally killed it last year at the end of the season.
The Romo stiff arm
The choke slam of Tavaris Jackson
Plus he did have a lot of hurries too.
Too bad he couldn’t use his speed consistantly. He was really fast off the line.
Tapp, was good at VT. I haven’t seen him in the pros though. I hope he is more consistant than Clemons.
Thank you Chris.
For on 1/4/09, you made my day.

I don't know what it is about your face,
[holds up fist]
but I just wanna deliver one of these right in your suck hole.
Here's, uh, a "highlight" from ESPN.com's comments
hey hawks fans , as a South Philly resident and overall football fan I hope you get a steal of a player in the draft and he makes 15 pro bowls and helps gets you 12 rings!!! That is how much I DETEST the eagles choices with trades over the past 6 or 7 seasons…For Clemons you could have finagled a 5th from some team and still kept your 4th…again Smashing Frackin Job!!!!
and of course a couple comments
explaining how the Hawks ‘won’ this trade… they oughta try selling that to the Field Gulls people
by alcatraz0109 on Mar 16, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
The majority of people who post over at ESPN are dumbasses
AGREED
"If I can get you to think twice, I'm in your head."
-Brian Dawkins
Oh man
The comments are hilarious. Love the guys who post at 4am just to get a jab in at McNabb.
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wow......
well i think this was a good move overall. Ill miss clemons as it seems we are getting rid of all our georgia bulldogs. clemons is decent but im sure tapp is better so good move….Now we can focus elsewhere in round 1 of the draft n go DE lader on
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by KolbErahasBegun on Mar 16, 2010 10:40 PM EDT reply actions
Tapp just signed an extension.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/16/eagles-tapp-have-agreed-on-contract-extension/
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Hawks fan.
Unless this Clemons guy is a stud AND we draft well with this 4th, you guys just robbed us. Tapp is a solid starter with a youth, athleticism and a lot of upside. I’m really depressed about this…which is a good thing for you guys. Congrats.
Well… hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Clemons is not a stud. At best, he’ll be able to produce 8 or so sacks again from purely speed rushing. Best of luck with the pick, though. There’s bound to be some talent available that late, but who knows how that will turn out for a while, right?
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8 sacks? No way, over/under is at 5 for me, and im taking the under.
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"Bye, Mac"
If clemons starts or sees the field more that’s a possiblity….but doubtful.
by 5 plus 10 equals 6 on Mar 17, 2010 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions
good to know.
Never really heard of this guy, but there’s a lot of praise and his stats are solid.
Looks like Cole finally has some help.
by 5 plus 10 equals 6 on Mar 17, 2010 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions
this is a joke
This is a nothing move the eagles are just trying to save as much money as they can this year thats why they haven’t done anything from the moves the made it’s either one of two things 1.they think they can win with this team which is a joke or 2. since this is an uncapped year they don’t have to spend any kind of money so teams can make as much money as they want this year and thats what they are doing
I disagree
I would rather have this guy than Kampman. Kampman was 30+ coming off an Injury, Tapp is young and promising and most of all not injury prone!!! (knock on wood) The eagles although in love with the draft seem to also value talent with last years trade for peters and this. I like this move a lot and now we can be upgraded at LDE possibly upgraded if Marlin’s healthy at FS or backup CB and it really frees up our draft for the “best available” approach which has landed us some great players. When we draft for need we get Freddie Mitchell and Jerome McDougal. I like the move a lot!!!
You're right
We should’ve signed Peppers. And Rolle. And Dansby. And given them all huge contracts. After all, look at all the big-name free agents the Patriots and Colts, the two most successful teams of the past decade, sign every offseason!
They don’t?
Well, we should definitely aspire to be more like the Redskins!
(hey, wait a minute…)
This is an amazingly good move by the FO
I can’t believe they pulled something like this off.
For a marginal, older player (Clemons) and a 4th round pick, you get:
A young DE potentially reaching his prime who led the league in tackles last year and according to profootballfocus is very stout against the run, depsite only being an average pass rusher.
At his age he could easily develop further and thrive in a new system and even register 8+ sacks next year, all the while providing the run-stuffing LDE that the defensive line sorely lacked this past season.
And even if Tapp doesn’t pan out, or provides little impact, he’ll at the minimum be another young player to add to the defensive line rotation. Adding depth to the defensive line is never a bad thing. Even if he doesn’t play a snap next year, you can always write this off as a waste of a 4th round pick, which is hardly a disastrous turn of events.
Great move. I highly approve of this.
Great Deal
I love that deal, there’s essentially no risk and a potentially high reward if Tapp pans out into a solid starter. The worst case scenario here is that the Eagles get a younger version of Juqua Parker at almost no cost.
Tapp
This is a good trade, unless the draft pick we gave them turns into a superstar this is a good trade.
by ryanitus on Mar 17, 2010 4:28 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I agree
except for the draft pick turning into a superstar. The chances that Eagles would end up drafting the same player that the hawks draft with that pick is pretty slim, so IF that pick does turn out to be a superstar then good on the seahawks for seeing something. Like a few people have said already there is a lot of upside to this deal, a young player with potential and a few seasons under his belt. If it doesn’t pan out, i’d rather see him rotating in than Clemons.
by DrLeoSpaceman on Mar 17, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Between Tapp and Weaver it seems like Seattle wants to become our minor league farm team. I wonder if Curry is ready for the Majors?
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I'll have to pay attention to this guy
I really don’t know much about him and I can’t say I ever really followed Seattle. I guess I’ll take everyones word for it and think this is a good move. Never was a fan of Clemons though so, guess it couldn’t really be a bad move.
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seems like a legit trade..
i don’t know much about tapp. but from what i hear, i like him. plus, anything you get for clemmons is good..
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Can someone
tell me the picks we have this year in the draft now? We got rid of our fourth we got for Lito and I know we have 1 first and 1 second… what else do we have now?
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-Theodore Roosevelt
We have
1 1st
1 2nd
2 3rds
1 4th
1 5th
1 6th
… and most likely (2) 7th round comp. picks.
by Team Serbia on Mar 17, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Thank you!
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New Orleans traded its 2010 fifth-round selection and a 2009 seventh-round selection to Philadelphia for a 2009 fifth-round selection
That fifth rounder went to St.Louis for Witherspoon.
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/2010NFLDraftCentral.asp
I stand corrected
I could swear we had a 5th. Oh well.
(1) 1st, (1) 2nd, (2) 3rds, (1) 4th, (1) 6th
Few thoughts
- Clemons wasn’t a complete ‘bust’ but he seemed to only have an impact about 2-3 G a year and the Eagles couldn’t ever really decide to use him even on 2 & 3 down pass-rushing situations. I always kind of wondered if it was more that Clemons was just a marginal guy and the Eagles preferred to use other options (e.g., Howard, Abramiri) on 3rd down or if Clemons preparation wax & waned from week-to-week.
- Eagles won’t miss Clemons on special teams coverage. Didn’t seem like he made much impact there and he had 2 penalties this year and 2 the year before.
- Eagles clearly needed to get another DE. Parker is 31 and Howard is 33. Neither guy is capable of starting & producing over a 16 G stretch at this point.
- You have to wonder what this move says to Abiamiri and his potential role on the team next year. Pretty clear the Eagles are close to writing him off as a ‘bust’ as they already have done with Laws. Probably his last chance to compete for a bigger role besides a situational pass rusher/depth guy in training camp.
- Things are going to get really interesting if the Eagles use a 1st or 2nd round pick on a DE. Doubt they do that now but it wouldn’t surprise me either given the age of Parker/Howard & the inability of Abiamiri to stay healthy & productive.
One more sign of 'rebuilding'
Eagles made this move clearly with an eye for the future and to have a DE that will contribute the next 3 years at least. Howard is likely in his last year in an Eagles’ uniform and I don’t know much longer Parker will be around.
It’s not goddamned rebuilding. The Eagles constantly make adjustments to their roster to avoid so-called “rebuilding” periods where the team has no shot at winning because they ignored problem areas for too long.
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So what is it in then when you change over 7 starters on offense (Westbrook, Hunt/Klecko Curtis, Thomas, Runyan, LJ Smith, MJG/Cole) and possibly even 8 next year if Kolb starts in 2 years?
Same on the defense where the Eagles have changed 4 starters (Parker, Gaither, Gocong, Dawkins) and possibly 1 more if they move Brown this offseason which isn’t an impossibility.
That is alot of change in less than 2 years time without the offense being almost completely revamped/rebuilt. More than just a couple of ‘adjustments to their roster.’ As I explained before, ‘rebuilding’ doesn’t need to be a negative term and accompanied by a real bottoming out. Eagles have done a nice job of keeping a competitive team on the field.
Keep mouthing off though.
I call what the Eagles are doing retooling.
We never dressed down to dress back up. We just dressed a whole new way. And the results show: no awful, awful years like in St. Louis, for example.
We didn’t have a year of absolute futility, because we had reinforcements/options available. ‘Rebuilding’ to me implies we blatantly went a whole new direction, that we essentially hit the ‘reset’ button and started at the very foundation. ‘Retooling’ to me implies we got newer players while still rolling out a consistent, winning product, then smoothly making the change when it came time.
by alcatraz0109 on Mar 17, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess we’re rebuilding every year then!
Listen, it’s not rebuilding because we’re not gutting the roster and turning over the whole damn thing. We make more roster changes than the average team EVERY year so we don’t have to do complete overhauls every 5 years like most teams in the league.
PS, MJG and Cole were starters? That’s news to me. I thought they were filling in for an injured Shawn Andrews.
Yeah, we upgraded at FB and TE with a free agent and someone we drafted.
Yeah, we replaced two aging players (Curtis and Westbrook) with people we drafted.
It’s called keeping on top of things before they become
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‘Rebuilding’ or ‘retooling’ is largely semantic. Rebuilding means ‘to make extensive changes’ and retooling means “to revise and reorganize, especially for the purpose of updating or improving”
Going strictly by those definitions, I would say the Eagles have ‘rebuilt’ their offense especially if McNabb is not the starter next year and ‘retooled’ their defense the past 2 years although it would be interesting to try to quantify this in more succinct terms than just yell back and forth with empty rhetoric like this:
"Listen, it’s not rebuilding because we’re not gutting the roster and turning over the whole damn thing. We make more roster changes than the average team EVERY year so we don’t have to do complete overhauls every 5 years like most teams in the league.
How about we call it Reloaded
and call it a day?
Art of Compromise
Is a beautiful thing although it would be interesting to see how much change the the Eagles really have undergone each season during Reid’s tenure and it is comparable to say their rivals in the NFC East
It’s because it’s not rebuilding if it’s the same shit we do EVERY FREAKING YEAR.
I am the people's troll :3™
“It’s because it’s not rebuilding if it’s the same shit we do EVERY FREAKING YEAR”
The Eagles do the ’same shit ’every offseason? What exactly does that even mean? More empty rhetoric and jargon from you. I told you how I would define rebuilding and retooling and layout out some basics on how I would look it in more detail.
You just continue to post more crap.
I spelled it out succinctly earlier. Now I’m just insulting you because you can’t read (once again).
I am the people's troll :3™
“One more sign of rebuilding” was the quote I took issue with.
The Eagles saw an opportunity to get good value at a position where we were getting older. Instead of waiting 2-3 more years for these players to be completely unproductive and/or retire, he finds a player to make it so there’s no lapse in talent.
Otherwise known as smoothly transitioning from one player to another without sacrificing productivity. AKA the exact-goddamned-opposite of rebuilding.
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You spelled this succinctly with these passages:
Listen, it’s not rebuilding because we’re not gutting the roster and turning over the whole damn thing. We make more roster changes than the average team EVERY year so we don’t have to do complete overhauls every 5 years like most teams in the league
Do you have any evidence that the Eagles make more roster changes than the average team? What about starters? Where is our evidence that ‘most team make complete overhauls every 5 years?’
It’s because it’s not rebuilding if it’s the same shit we do EVERY FREAKING YEAR.
What exactly does this mean? FA? Draft? Resigning players?
I told what I context I consider ‘rebuilding’ and what I consider ‘retooling’ and how I would generally attempt to measure those so that I would have a potential basis point for comparison to see if my point about the Eagles changing starters the past 2 years stacked up.
Instead you continue to ignore what I post, insult me, and throw out this generic crap without marginal/nonexistent evidence to support what you are proposing as ‘fact’ and just not your opinion.
So like I said before, go write ahead posting the crap you have.
Call a truce
I don’t have an axe to grind with you and appreciate what you post most times. There are plenty of times I am full of shit but then again so are most sport fans which is mainly just opinion-based arguing with a little handle on actual facts/stats most times.
What is there to call a truce about? I don’t hold grudges. I call out bullshit individually.
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‘Bullshit’ you don’t even define or have any basis on besides your opinion that your pass off as undebatable truth? Interesting.
Just because you don’t agree with it doesn’t mean I don’t provide reasoning for what I said. Any idiot with working eyes and comprehension of the English language can see I provided plenty of reasoning for what I said above.
You say improving the team through free agency and trades is “rebuilding”. I say it’s the opposite of rebuilding: taking care of problems before they exist. This is my last post on the topic. I don’t care if you don’t agree with it, but don’t act like my reasoning is invalid.
I am the people's troll :3™
What reasoning?
“I say it’s the opposite of rebuilding: taking care of problems before they exist.”
Again WTF does this even mean? It is a generic reason and with no point of specific reference.
How is LDE not already an issue?
Listen, it’s not rebuilding because we’re not gutting the roster and turning over the whole damn thing. We make more roster changes than the average team EVERY year so we don’t have to do complete overhauls every 5 years like most teams in the league.
The only facts you provide to backup this point up are in regards to 2 positions (FB/TE).
You provide no other point in regards to the other points you make about the number of roster changes the Eagles make overall, if these changes have varied over time, how they make these changes, and any valid point of comparison about other teams.
You don’t even mention specifically how you define rebuilding either.
So yeah your reasoning is spurious and lacking.
I hear he wasn't going to fit his system
Why that is, I don’t know.
Its a good move. You get a better, youger DE who should flourish in our system. Look what Tommy Lawlor has to say about him:
Seattle doesn’t do the exotic blitzing we do. That creates some mismatches and some easy opportunities for guys in the front seven. Darryl’s numbers could also go up due to the fact he’s playing at LDE with Trent Cole on the opposite side.
Darryl doesn’t have a high ceiling. I don’t see him coming in here and turning into a 12-sack, disruptive force. I do think his numbers will go up and that he can be an improvement over Parker. Tapp fits our system and he’s also our kind of player (high motor, overachiever type).
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This is the year
Saw that piece
Lawlor did have a nice really writeup on Tapp & I generally like Lawlor’s insights/pieces on the Eagles especially since he takes the time to research his pieces a bit by watching tape/film.
Downward spiraling Seahawk fanbase
Update: The Tapp trade thread on fieldgulls is up over 1700 bumps. Blue mohawks everywhere are being pulled out as I am writing this. No disrespect to Clemons, and whoever this 4th round guy ends up being, but Tapp has talent and YOUTH which I thought made him a building block candidate for us rather than a trade chip. Many hawk fans believed he was poised to become our clear-cut, best pass rusher this coming season over aging/injured Pat Kerney, and bust-favorite Lawrence Jackson. It is a real possibility Tapp gets his 10 sacks this year (hopefully with at least 4 on T. Romo) as he is just entering his prime. Don’t know about the whole biting thing, I think it was a helmet pinch misunderstood. I hope and truly believe that he will do well in green. Tip of the Hat to a well run franchise. Now what the &*$% is Petey doing to OUR birds???
Best of the Northwest
Smart Move
This is why the Eagles have the best front office in the biz. We don’t go after players past their prime and give them 15 mil a year salaries. We get a guy in Tapp who is everything we want in our LDE-good size at 270, young and athletic. We’re not overpaying for a guy who is going to be our 4th best D-lineman, we got a good young player who hasn’t met his potential yet and is playing with the best line he has ever played with.
by MidwesternEaglesfan on Mar 17, 2010 5:00 PM EDT reply actions
So I'm assuming this means we're not getting Edwards?
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