Eagles Schedule Meeting With HB Mike Bell
Since the signing of Justin Fargas didn't happen, it looks like the Eagles will be hosting another running back this Tuesday. The 26 year old Bell logged 5 rushing TDs and a 3.8 rushing average as a backup for the Super Bowl Champion Saints in 2009. He has been tendered at the lowest level, meaning the Saints have the opportunity to match any offer he's given.
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i could go for bell..
as a #2
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
you go for bell..
you’ll be taking a num. 2…
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Mar 15, 2010 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
he could work
i also think we should take a back in the later rounds of the draft tho.
by goldenbird09 on Mar 15, 2010 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
round three, four?
or lower?
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
i thought we didn't have a round five this year?
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
There’s worse options out there, but I’d rather the Eagles draft someone.
I am the people's troll :3™
Or we could do both
Granted Bell is a better option than a banged-up, 30 year old Fargas, but do you really want to start a season with two second-season backs and a rookie?
Oh, duh. I get what you’re saying. Yeah, I’d be fine with that, actually. Depends on when they get the back though. Any later than the 4th round and I’d rather have Bell back there for security.
I am the people's troll :3™
security gets u to an 8-8 record….right about where the birds r at right now if they dnt make any effin moves/ have an excellent draft
by KolbErahasBegun on Mar 15, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
What??
Why do you think the Eagles are even closely considered an 8-8 team? Not much has changed from this 11-5 team from last year (other than a couple of cuts here and there). Now I am not saying they are a Superbowl team or anything at this point, but they are in no way an 8-8 team with the offence that we have.
What is going to change is
they might actually play some teams that can win games
Let's get it Birds.
by homestar2281 on Mar 15, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you really
Want to have a rookie backing up a one year starter in McCoy? I wouldn’t take that risk.
um if u draft the right rookie than he wont b the one doing the backing up halfway thru the season. mccoy will b the backup. mccoy is a nice no.2 and the birds need to draft a solid starter n get this pick right here n than u can sign a 3rd rb n pay him shit at the end of the summer
by KolbErahasBegun on Mar 15, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
barring horrible play by mccoy,
he’ll be our #1 back. unless we get someone else..
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
wait a second.............
wat the hell are u talking about drafting a back 2 be the starter and have Shady as the backup ???? Dude Shady is the starter and people better not be surprised when he becomes an elite back next year.
by goldenbird09 on Mar 15, 2010 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
what makes u think shady will b an elite back.. he has the maturity level of a child n hardly got ne carries last yr ecspecially at the end of the yr…..we gave the ball 2 weaver instead of him thats how much he suxxx
by KolbErahasBegun on Mar 15, 2010 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you possess any opinion that isn’t objectively wrong? Weaver had 13 carries in the last 3 games of the year combined.
What you MEANT to say, was the Eagles gave the ball to WESTBROOK rather than mccoy OR weaver, and it backfired on them.
well they gave it 2 westy yea but they didnt run the ball hardly at all anyway…. ur right they didnt giv it 2 weaver that much in the run game but they still used him more effectively in the pass game than mccoy. i think mccoy is a decent player but still has a lot 2 prove. he showed minor flashes last yr but i jus dont see him as either that elusive or powerful at all and dont see him consistently penetrating thru the dlines for 4 plus yard carries all day. i do think he can be effective in a backfield with another(better) rb…
by KolbErahasBegun on Mar 15, 2010 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Really
Because last time I checked he was 3rd among rookies for carries with 155 which is actually a good number for a rookie. But lets see…
Ray Rice: rookie year 107 carries—Yeah this guy sucks right here. He’s so bad he got less carries than LeSean. He’ll never have success.
Jonathan Stewart: rookie year 184 carries—Meh…he had a few more carries than LeSean his rookie year so he doesn’t suck as bad as LeSean, but he only got 184 carries. Yep, Stewart sucks.
DeAngelo Williams: rookie year 121 carries—This guy blows. I mean how bad can you be. Only 121 carries. He is terrible. Who’s ever heard of this guy?
Yeah, I think you’re right KEB. 155 carries for a rookie is just terrible. That means they will never be anything in the NFL.
HAHAAHAH MJ-09......
Talk sum sense 2 this guy 4 me, hes tryin 2 say that we need 2 draft a back 2 start and hav shady back him up lmaOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
by goldenbird09 on Mar 15, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh boy… I would HAAAATE it if McCoy turned out to be as good as any of those three guys… they are just so BAAAAAAD……
it was sarcasm i believe..
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
As is his reponse.
"That's what I love so much about this team. We have some warriors here. We have some guys who go out there and fight. That's the best thing about this team. No matter what happens, we just keep fighting. You have to love that."
by chrisbeomsuh on Mar 16, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
dude........
Kolbera if u dont know enuff 2 know that Shady is the #1 back on this team then u shouldnt be on here. Even if we sign Mike Bell its only to be Shadys back-up and come in on goal-line situations. And any back we draft wont be until the later rounds . Lastly Weaver is not a guy whos gonna get a ton of carries.
by goldenbird09 on Mar 15, 2010 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Neither is McCoy
McCoy is clearly the No. 1 starter at RB and it doesn’t make any sense to use another high draft pick on a RB this year given several other holes the Eagles need to address.
That said, McCoy isn’t going to be a guy who likely get a ton of carries next year either. He might get 15-17 touches a game but I bet he averages around 12-13 carries a game.
u all say what the eagles will do and tht will b the ultra conservative start boring shady mccoy n go like 9-7…. but u give no proof of y u think shady will b good… we all know what the eagles will do but wat SHOULD or wat do u WANT them 2 do…..i know shady will start n he will be below average n if we draft a good rb in the 3rd rd he could be another huge weapon on our O
by KolbErahasBegun on Mar 15, 2010 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
stfu dude.
you’re hating on mccoy when you have no reason to believe he won’t be good. he performed well in his rookie year, seeing as he had to take over westy’s job by the end of the year.
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
How is a RB drafted in the 3rd round
Going to be “another huge weapon in our O” given the system that Andy runs and the other options already available on this team. You are just saying nonsense now.
incase you haven't read his posts,
he’s been saying nonsense.
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
Speaking of LeSean
Shady has to be one of the coolest nicknames.
"That's what I love so much about this team. We have some warriors here. We have some guys who go out there and fight. That's the best thing about this team. No matter what happens, we just keep fighting. You have to love that."
by chrisbeomsuh on Mar 15, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
No
He was basically out of the league in 2008, only averaged 3.8 yards per carry on a ridiculous offense, had only four catches last season, has 4 fumbles in less than 350 career carries, and has 5 career tackles (which tells me he doesn’t play special teams). I’ll be highly disappointed if this is the Eagles’ answer for our #2 back.
He'll be our THIRD back
Weaver and McCoy are obviously going to get the bulk of the carries.
Our 3rd back gets 50 carries per year, I don’t know why we’re fussing over it so bad this off season.
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
but he can provide us with championship knowledge and leadership...
like adam eaton did for the o’s last year!
this is the NFL weaver/mccoy isnt much of a threat. weaver is a great FB but a FB he is. MCcoy is a no.2 right now and is not a top 30 nfl rb by any stretch of the imagination at this point in his career. where do u people get off with this high hopes. harry the k is dead and the high hopes went to bed with him. lets b real here ppl!!!!!!!!
by KolbErahasBegun on Mar 15, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
wrong
Weaver 2009: 70 attempts, 323 yards, 2 TDs, 4.6 y/a. 15 rec, 140 yards, 2 TDs.
total: 463 yards, 4 TDs
Bell 2009: 172 attemps, 654 yards, 5 TDs, 3.8 y/a 4 rec, 12 yards.
bell had nearly 100 extra touches, but only about 200 extra yards and one extra TD. If weaver were given the ball as much as bell, weaver would have blown away bell’s numbers. there is no way bell should be used as much as weaver if on the same team.
i see now that you’re not a fan of bell, but still…if you dont’ see from those numbers that weaver could be a huge force if used a lot, you’re clueless.
Weaver won’t be used a ton, though. I think we’re looking at 5 carries and 2 catches a game, tops.
I am the people's troll :3™
I love weaver i think he should get some more touches but you need to remember his primary job is as a blocker n save energy for that. i think mclustershould get like 8-12 touches, weaver 5-7, and mccoy like 4-6 and 3rd rb 1-2 carries
by KolbErahasBegun on Mar 15, 2010 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't even bother with this guy
"That's what I love so much about this team. We have some warriors here. We have some guys who go out there and fight. That's the best thing about this team. No matter what happens, we just keep fighting. You have to love that."
by chrisbeomsuh on Mar 15, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
in my opinion,
and all due respect, kolberahasbegun is an idiot. putting a rookie we HAVENT DRAFTED at 12 touches a game, with mccoy at 4-6? there’s no way. mccoy 10-14 weaver 3-5 other rbs 5-7 combined. i doubt we even run THAT much. still.. kolbera, just get off the boards.
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
And the rookie he's talking about isn't even a stud
McCluster? Get outta here with that. IF we get McCluster and IF he’s getting 8-12 touches per game, that probably means McCoy, Weaver, Buckley all tore their ACLs
knocks on wood
"That's what I love so much about this team. We have some warriors here. We have some guys who go out there and fight. That's the best thing about this team. No matter what happens, we just keep fighting. You have to love that."
by chrisbeomsuh on Mar 15, 2010 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
this coming from some1 who is claiming we win the sb next year? with who at qb? u get off the boards….u think mccoy is gna b nice with 10-14 touches ur crazy.., he is a mildly threatening n if i was an opposing defense i would salivate at the oppurtunity 2 play him compared 2 the other great rbs in the league….A good rookie will steal his job in a heartbeat. people with wisdom look ahead to the future and predict it before it happense. your all just higly conservative and let rational thought control your minds… im saying what they should do, what they will do im sure is far different. but i know alot more than banner n co. so consider urself lucky 2 hear my opinion
by KolbErahasBegun on Mar 15, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
we all have our opinions.
BUT sue me for being optimistic as to the next year.
but i know alot more than banner n co
by the way, if you know so much, why are you not making decisions and he is? i’d like to know how you have all the info that you so obviously do.
if i was an opposing defense i would salivate at the oppurtunity 2 play him compared 2 the other great rbs in the league
no one said he was a great running back yet. we said he will be our number one back, barring a trade for a better one (highly unlikely) or an injury.
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
Well
I’m glad you’re not in charge of the FO.
"That's what I love so much about this team. We have some warriors here. We have some guys who go out there and fight. That's the best thing about this team. No matter what happens, we just keep fighting. You have to love that."
by chrisbeomsuh on Mar 15, 2010 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
but i know alot more than banner n co. so consider urself lucky 2 hear my opinion
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The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
it was all supposed to be in block quotes. my bad.
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
how so u shut up
dont bother with who me or mccluster? defend urself n make a point dont just b ignorant…
by KolbErahasBegun on Mar 15, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
what a joke.?.?.?....mike bell
This would be a horrendous desicion to make a financial commitment to this inadequete human being. I dont care if hes 26, we have all ready seen his potential and its minimal. he works in a system like new orleans but the combo of mccoy/bell would be one of the worst if not the worst running back duo in the league so i dont see how anyone could conceivably suggest that this would be a good call. This running back corps would be so damn boring and there would b immense pressure on KK to hit the big play jus like Don does now. The right call is to obviously draft DEXTER MCLUSTER. Do any eagles fans with a fully functional brain/ expertise in the college game want to respond to that>? there are a plethra of bax in this years draft but i loooooove mcluster and he would be a great weapon 2 have for years to come. he is very similiar to chris johnson….more like a stronger not as fast “Every Coaches Dream”. dex put up 29 reps at the combine, 1st amongst rbs plus had multiple top 3 finishes. he is a steal in the third round!!!!!!!!
by KolbErahasBegun on Mar 15, 2010 8:20 PM EDT reply actions
what a joke.. dexter mccluster
As usual Eagles fans don’t know football and can’t evaluate players. McCluster is a twig. 5’8, 165 lbs. He is a return/speed guy, except for the fact that he ran a 4.58 40, one of the most disappointing 40 times of any back at the combine, so he doesn’t even have speed.
He will be a servicable backup somewhere, but not here. The Eagles need a north to south runner.
zork nemesis nice name moron, u r an A** clown
by KolbErahasBegun on Mar 15, 2010 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd prefer Zork Nemesis
to a name that simply isn’t true. I mean, having KolbEraHasBegun as your name is pretty much just a lie. It’d as ridiculous and untrue as having something like “jackisbetterthanasante” as your name.
oh wait…
+1 on that one bud haha
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
hahahahaha
i love where this gone, we are now arguing over whos name is better lmaOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
by goldenbird09 on Mar 15, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
more like who's is worse.
kolberahasbegun .. the kolb era has obviously not begun.
jack is better than asante .. do i even need to say it?
which is the lesser of the two evils?
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
iwas gone 4 a lil while.........
but wats goin on now, wat is Kolbera tryin 2 convince everyone that we need 2 take Mccluster
by goldenbird09 on Mar 15, 2010 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
like i said,
i think he has a mcfetish. except for mccoy. he apparently knows more than our FO and is all knowing. also is hating on my sig :( haha.
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
Oh man
How great would that be (referring to your sig)? Super Bowl IN Dallas this year? It’s destiny.
"That's what I love so much about this team. We have some warriors here. We have some guys who go out there and fight. That's the best thing about this team. No matter what happens, we just keep fighting. You have to love that."
by chrisbeomsuh on Mar 15, 2010 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, that's what i thought of,
as soon as last season ended at the hands of the cowboys. we can redeem ourselves by beating them IN THEIR STADIUM on the biggest platform in the us. -wishful thinking, but it’s what i look forward to!
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
yeah i just realized that....
IT IS FUKIN DESTINY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by goldenbird09 on Mar 15, 2010 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
dude hes a hater......
i can honestly say if the birds were2 win their first SB in Dallas’ stadium and i died the next day, i would die a happy man LOL
by goldenbird09 on Mar 15, 2010 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
i don't think heaven would be any better..
haha
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
Oh really? u gotta be outta your mind. did u watch any ole miss games this year and see the way this guy runs the football. he is outstanding in the passing game and pounds the rock. he is the strongest rb in the draft on the bench so wtf r u talking about…..yes he has a small frame but that will make mighty mouse even harder 2 bring down. dont get it twisted his will run dbs over n out juke plenty of fools. this guy has superstar potential n would go great w/ jackson n kolb n celek n maclin n weaver n mcoy
by KolbErahasBegun on Mar 15, 2010 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
if by pounding rock, you mean ‘chiseling his own gravestone’. the second he hits a linebacker he’ll need to be scraped off the field.
i think he has a mcfetish
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
pounds the cock*
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
ha i must have read it wrong do u hav a link for the list
by KolbErahasBegun on Mar 15, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
plus i still love mccluster regardless
by KolbErahasBegun on Mar 15, 2010 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes I do
http://www.footballsfuture.com/2010/combine/rb.html
If I were in front of you, I could even provide you with the interview from about 75% of the players.
the top 3 finishes i speak of where alot of the cone stuff and shuttle run but i dont even put 2 much stock into all that its just that is an excellent complement to his on field workload….if u watched the sec this year, u know that he was the best homerun hitter in the league… matthews from fresno would b good but we wont draft him that HI as other teams will like Sd in the 1st most likely… Some 1 who i think andy loves is toby gerhart so i will pay alot of attn to thier interacton w/ him. i think mccluster will be alot better than toby gerhart but im sure the eagles will think otherwise and ar/banner n crew will pick some scrub.
by KolbErahasBegun on Mar 15, 2010 8:25 PM EDT reply actions
I’m sure I’m in the minority here, but I’d be OK with the Eagles spending as high as a first round pick on a RB. I think Ryan Matthews WOULD be killer, but I don’t think there’s any chance Andy Reid takes a RB with a first round pick. Like LB, I think it’s a position that’s not incredibly important to Reid and co. But, I would not be shocked if the Eagles took another RB in the second round.
The so-called holes on defense aren’t as bad, in my opinion, as most fans believe they are. Safety is the only REAL hole on defense. It’s also one of the deepest positions in the draft. They could address it in the first, but then again they might wait until the fourth.
Unless a top prospect drops (like Maclin last year), the Eagles are likely to take a CB or a DE with their first pick. Andy Reid’s philosophy has always been to take any upgrade when available. If he thinks an upgrade over LeSean McCoy is on the board, don’t be flabbergasted if he takes him.
I am the people's troll :3™
The Eagles year after year take who they think is the best available player, as they should. If that happens to be a running back this year, it’s fine by me.
yea the eagles will draft witherspoon from missouri in the 1st rd. most likely n that will b a great call. I highly disagree with cb its not that imp. compared 2 other postions rite now. we really need another tackle 2 lock down the opposite side of jason peters….the eagles may draft a tackle in the 1st…another candidates is carlos dunlap from fla n i see them targeting navarro bowman in the 2nd rd n trading up 2 get him
by KolbErahasBegun on Mar 15, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
CB isn’t an area of need? Sheldon is 31. Asante is 29. When Sheldon begins to lose a step, our secondary will fall apart. He’s the only thing keeping our pass defense respectable. Asante is better than average at covering, but if a good corner isn’t on the other side, it doesn’t matter, because opposing teams can just throw away from him.
I am the people's troll :3™
Agreed
I’m not a big fan of drafting for need. Taking the best player available seems like a no-brainer to me.
"That's what I love so much about this team. We have some warriors here. We have some guys who go out there and fight. That's the best thing about this team. No matter what happens, we just keep fighting. You have to love that."
by chrisbeomsuh on Mar 15, 2010 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
A first rounder on another RB??
WTF!!!?!!?!?!
I also learned McCoy isn’t much of a threat, he’s a #2 at best…and Weaver (a man who’s nuts everyone swings on) isn’t that good either… Damn!!!! THe off season is funny
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
Unused weapon
Is a useless weapon. Eagles have too many holes on the O-line and several questions marks on defense they need to address.
1 hole on the o line
unlike the albert hall (beatles references)there arent that many holes 2 fill on the o line. Just 1 and that is the position of winston justice, he must be replaced n return 2 his backup role. i like all are other backups to so i think we take a OT early n than problems on o line r solved if guys remain healthy….Peters jackson herremans n cole/andrews brothers hold down atleast 4 spots
by KolbErahasBegun on Mar 15, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Chances that both Andrews brothers come back to play and play well is next to zero next year. Cole isn’t an adequate starter at C (he wasn’t remotely the last 10 quarters of the season) and it will be interesting to see if Cole/Stacy Andrews plays well at RG. Neither guy did this year.
cole played a ton of snaps at RG last yr jack ass!!!!!
by KolbErahasBegun on Mar 15, 2010 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
What about SAM where there is no clear starter? Ditto for LDE where the Eagles were rotating 3 guys at the end of the season last year because they weren’t happy with the production/play out of any of them.
Eagles could also use some depth at the LB (especially MLB), CB, and T.
It is not a terrible defense but it was certainly mediocre down the stretch and they have several aging players (Mikell, Brown, Samuel, Howard, etc).
Yomjoseki................
Im wit u 100% and i think we might be available in the 2nd round, FIND A WAY 2 GET RYAN MATHEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by goldenbird09 on Mar 16, 2010 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions
DId anyone of you watch our defense last year?
and you want a high pick on an RB ? please!!!! This isn’t madden!!
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
rb not till rd 3
we cant go rb till rd 3….. we need a LB n a DE n a tackle first 2nd n 3rd(not in that order) we will acquire another 2nd rd or 3rd rd pick by trading mcniggity or michelle vick
by KolbErahasBegun on Mar 15, 2010 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
i dont know.
maybe the same level of obnoxticity.
or maybe he’s JIBTA in disguise..
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
He’s reached Elmo the $#%^@! fan status with ‘mcniggity’.
And I personally believe Elmo is waaaay worse than JIBTA.
by alcatraz0109 on Mar 15, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
elmo the &$#*&@ fan..
i don’t remember what he said..
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
He believes McNabb is the equivalent of JaMarcus Russell, using such ‘intelligent’ names like ‘mcmoron’, ‘mcstoopid’, ‘mcidiot’, etc. to prove his point. That seems to be all the knowledge he possesses about the Eagles, as I don’t think he’s ever said anything else, Which is why he is quite obnoxious.
Check it out for yourself.
by alcatraz0109 on Mar 15, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
so he's a mchater..
maybe he has flashbacks of working in mcdonalds.
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
or mcnabb raped him or something hah
and guys who don’t like mcnabb don’t typically irk me, I like hearing the opinions of Joe_D and the like for the most part, and I myself wouldn’t mind if mcnabb were traded (for the right price).
but elmo… erm… he’s a clod.
by alcatraz0109 on Mar 15, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
ha,
i myself would like to see mcnabb gone. he’s a good quarterback and with all due respect seems like a nice all around guy, but
ITS TIME FOR CHANGE.
that was barack obama-esque.
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
and Joe_D does have a good opinion
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
and it’s actually ‘Elmo the faithful fan’.
I got rid of ‘faithful’ because… well, you can figure it out.
by alcatraz0109 on Mar 15, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
i knew there was an odd adjective in there.
yeah he didnt seem too faithful
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
jibta is a master troll
We shouldn’t even be talking about these two in the same sentence.
"That's what I love so much about this team. We have some warriors here. We have some guys who go out there and fight. That's the best thing about this team. No matter what happens, we just keep fighting. You have to love that."
by chrisbeomsuh on Mar 15, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
If the best player sitting there at 24 is a defensive player, they’ll take him. If it’s an offensive player, they’ll take him. The Eagles don’t draft players for immediate need. They just don’t. And they shouldn’t. This year won’t be any different.
HALF TRUE
Only half true. We draft for need, that is the most ridiculous thing ever. You build your team through the draft and you draft what you need. Yes, if a player like Maclin slips to you, you take him. On the other hand, if you have an aging RB in Westbrook, you take McCoy because you NEED a young RB to replace 36.
You don’t just draft players just for that sake. In fact, many teams in that position would trade down and get value from a team who NEEDS a RB.
If we drafted an RB in the first, how the HELL would that help us win a championship? it wouldn’t, a total wasted pick,.. i repeat bye dawk, your BETTER than what jibberish you just typed to me
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
Is LeSean McCoy one of the best RBs in the NFL? No? Then we could upgrade the RB position by taking a top RB.
We would do that because right now, our offense is our area of strength. If we have a top RB, I really think we could have an offense that rivals the Saints.
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If we drafted an RB in the first, how the HELL would that help us win a championship?
If you’re banking on any draft pick to win you a championship, you have no shot. I’m not even saying they should draft a RB, just to be 100% clear, by the way. I see about 4 or 5 needs ahead of RB. But just for fun… Let’s say C.J. Spiller is sitting there at 24, a guy that has no business slipping that far and he’s the best player available…
I’m in.
like you've said numerous times,
and you’re correct: we should take the best player available at the draft, no matter what position. i’d be fine with another high round rb.
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It would be foolish for several reasons
And it won’t happen anyways. Eagles drafted McCoy with a high round pick and resigned Weaver. There will be plenty of other players available who will be able to help the Eagles more than another high-round RB would.
2003
The Eagles have one of the best CB tandems in the NFL in Troy Vincent and Bobby Taylor. They draft CB’s in the first 2 rounds (Lito Sheppard and Sheldon Brown)
2007
The Eagles have a barely-30-year-old franchise QB in Donovan McNabb. With their first pick, they take a QB (Kevin Kolb).
2008
The Eagles have 2 very good DT’s in Mike Patterson and Brodrick Bunkley. With their first pick, they take DT Trevor Laws.
The Eagles are extremely unpredictable on draft day. Don’t be surprised if they take a player at a position that’s already strong.
The Eagles are extremely unpredictable on draft day.
you never know..
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Slim to none. It could happen but it would be a pretty stupid move for a couple of reasons. (BTY – I am not a huge McCoy fan either but hard to know what you have unless you start him for at least a year).
i have to say..
i’m a mccoy enthusiast. i do think it’d be very stupid to draft a rb. BUT it’s the front office that makes the decisions for a reason, not fans. lol
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
We have
Concerns all over our defense. From LB, to secondary, to DL. Yet, we’re talking about drafting a RB higher up. I mean shit, we even have concerns at the OL spots. RB would do DICK for us. We don’t even value RBs that much anyway.
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
It is dumb
But it won’t happen so really a moot point. Maybe the Eagles take a RB later in the draft if he can KR too but I would be stunned if they draft a RB before the 5th round.
rb will help some but other positions r more imp.
positions of need: 1) Safety. but other areas will b easier to address at 24
2) Lb 3) De 4) OT 5) Rb 6) cb
by KolbErahasBegun on Mar 15, 2010 9:12 PM EDT reply actions
Better than the Hank Baskett pickup but not by much. Basically a veteran guy who comes with a cheap price tag. Eagles obviously feel their skill position players are set but I hope they don’t feel that way about the OL which utterly fell apart after Jackson got injured. Counting on both of the Andrews brothers next year will be a big disappointment.
Preferred Fargas over Bell
But if he can’t even pass a Raiders physical then it is pretty obvious that you can’t count on him as your No. 2 RB next year. Liked Fargas when I got to see him pretty regularly watching Raider games when I lived in the Bay Area (and they weren’t blacked out).
i think i read something saying
the reports of his failed raiders physical was untrue.
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
If that is true
I would rather see Fargas here but he just could never say healthy out in Oakland either. Bell likely gets the nod over Fargas for that reason alone.
Raiders said he failed the physical, Fargas denied that story. Since he left without getting an offer, he probably failed the physical.
"That's what I love so much about this team. We have some warriors here. We have some guys who go out there and fight. That's the best thing about this team. No matter what happens, we just keep fighting. You have to love that."
by chrisbeomsuh on Mar 15, 2010 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
OH,
i misread the story headline when i was reading this morning. yeah, he said he didn’t.. i’m guessing he’s saying they’re lying to increase his value. i doubt he signs with anyone though.. i don’t think he’s scheduled for any more visits
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
If the Eagles take a BPA
It will be an offensive lineman. You guys should know Andy Reid by now. The lines are the top priority of any Eagles draft board. The current line is paper thin at depth, needs better guard play, and can’t run block to save their lives. I have no problem with Peters/Justice as bookends for now, but if they can bring in someone who can make an immediate impact like Shawn Andrews did, I’m all for it.
For what it’s worth, the team WOULD run the ball more often if they had any confidence that it would matter. But when the majority of the team’s rushing production is on random one-play bursts, and every other touch is sub-3.0 YPC, they’re not going to bother. I’m not saying they would suddenly resemble the Pittsburgh Steelers; I’m just saying they wouldn’t finish a game with only 10 run attempts.
(continued)
If the team signs Mike Bell, I don’t really know what they would expect. Nobody can run behind this line right now. McCoy has the youth and the legs to get to the outside and make some plays. Weaver can knock someone over and force the issue. But the running lanes aren’t being organically generated, the running backs have had to earn every yard. If the line had blocked better the last 2 years, Westbrook might still be an Eagle right now. But you can only run into a brick wall so many times before you can’t get up anymore (ask Gus Frerrote).
by ZorkNemesis on Mar 15, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Do we really have no depth or is that just the perception after a horrible injury riddled year?
Next year, I think our starting line will be Peters, Herremans, Cole, (Stacy) Andrews, Justice
If Shawn Andrews comes back, then he starts at right tackle and Justice is a backup. MJG isn’t great but he’s good enough to be a backup. The Eagles liked Fenuki Tupou to protect him by putting him on the IR instead of the practice squad, so there’s a good chance he’ll be back.
Center is the one spot we really have questions at. Mike McGlynn and Dallas Reynolds are both listed as backups at center. Can either of them play center for realsies? But I really think our guard/tackle depth is fine.
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Shawn Andrews playing football again? Yyyyeaahhh I’ll believe it when I see it. More likely to see him at guard than tackle. He shouldn’t be promoted when he still has yet to work his way back onto the field.
I would be surprised if he ever played another snap.
I’m envisioning a line without Shawn, and quite frankly, a line that has Nick Cole and Stacy Andrews starting is a line in serious trouble. Cole and Andrews are NOT starting-caliber. They are barely BENCH-caliber. They performed about as well as chickens with their heads cut off.
by ZorkNemesis on Mar 15, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, OK. You know nothing about football.
Cole is a pretty good guard. Yeah, he botched the snap twice at the end of the year, when he was playing center. With a full training camp snapping the ball, do you really think he can’t handle it?
Stacy Andrews wouldn’t be here if he couldn’t play. He’s a starting quality player. He had a bad year, yeah. It’s also his first year off an ACL tear. He’ll come back full force next year. How can I be sure? Have the Eagles ever messed up a free agent signing as big as Stacy? No, and if they think he’ll be a force to be reckoned with, then I have to believe them over you.
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Cole was overwhelmed and often picked up the wrong assignment, leaving McNabb a sitting duck. He had no push in the run game. When he moved to center, he was baffled by stunts and couldn’t make the proper line calls to adjust to the defensive schemes. He would have done a better job playing the position if he just fell over and waved a white flag.
Stacy Andrews was a healthy scratch. Do they actually think he’ll be a force to be reckoned with? All I know is they made him restructure to save face. Andrews said his knee was not an issue. And he said he was uncomfortable playing guard and would rather play tackle. I guess you know more about him than he does.
But it doesn’t matter. Shawn Andrews was unbelievable. We averaged 4.8-5.0 YPC as a team with him on the line. You could SEE the difference on the field, on the film. He got a major push downfield on every 1st down carry. When he left the line, our team YPC was 4.0 in 08, and 4.3 in 09 (with the lead ball carrier at 4.1). I don’t care what your assessment of Cole is, he’s not Shawn Andrews. He excels at nothing. If Cole and Stacy are on the line at C and RG, we’re screwed.
I really wanted the Eagles to look at Andre Smith after watching him do similar things blocking for Glen Coffee, but then Smith ended up getting fat and out of shape after college and has about as much of a chance starting for the Bengals this year as Shawn has starting for Philadelphia.
by ZorkNemesis on Mar 15, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
So our rushing average can be completely attributed to Shawn Andrews?
Just because Cole isn’t Shawn Andrews doesn’t mean he’s not a decent guard. Shawn Andrews was All-Pro.
4.3 yards per carry isn’t bad, either (tied for 11th in the NFL). We didn’t rush the ball very often, though, which lead to our low rushing totals.
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Like I said before, our low rushing totals were because we were all or nothing. With Andrews our running game was consistently great. We weren’t hitting homeruns but we were gashing teams with multiple 7 or 8 yard carries.
The team 4.3 YPC isn’t so good if you strip out the HOMERUN plays. For example:
- LeSean McCoy (4.1 YPC) had a 66 yard carry against the Giants. The other 154 carries averaged 3.7.
- Leonard Weaver (4.6 YPC) had an uncharacteristic 41 yard run in that same game (we all had a good laugh). His 69 other carries averaged 4.08.
- Brian Westbrook (4.5 YPC) averaged 19.3 YPC on 3 plays and 3.7 carries on his remaining 58.
Let’s go back to the 2007 season. Westbrook’s longest carry was 36 yards. He averaged 26.25 yards on 8 of his 278 carries. Even if you take his 20+ yard plays out, his season YPC was still 4.2. He also played in 15 of 16 games, and did not have the injury problems he would have in 08 when the lanes disappeared. In 06, 30 YPC on 7 plays, 4.3 on his remaining 233.
Do you understand what I’m getting at here? We did NOT run the ball well this year. The Eagles rushing attack had 5 carries for 165 yards, and averaged 3.88 on the remaining 379 carries. It’s unacceptable.
by ZorkNemesis on Mar 16, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
And don't forget
We didn’t just lose Shawn Andrews. This year we had two new starters at LT and RT (which, sadly, was necessary), and that didn’t help the situation. But these problems really rose up in 2008, when the line was not effective blocking downfield, and we kept having injuries at the skill positions. It wasn’t just Westbrook getting hurt either, Buckhalter was constantly getting dinged up.
A back like Westbrook or Shady needs to be able to get to the linebackers in order to do a lot of their magic. We’ve got to get better at opening those doors. Right now Shady is having to work way too hard, which is a good way to shorten his shelf life. Make his job easier!
by ZorkNemesis on Mar 16, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow, you take out our 5 longest runs and our average yards per carry drops?! That’s ABSURD!
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That’s fine, just completely ignore the point that I was making. I usually expect that.
by ZorkNemesis on Mar 16, 2010 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Chris Johnson averaged 5.6 yards per carry last year, but if you take out Chris Johnson’s 3 longest runs from last year, his yards per carry drops to a mere mortal 4.9!
I understand your point. If something that didn’t happen would’ve happened, then you’d have a point!
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You clearly don’t understand my point. You can’t read either. That’s interesting.
by ZorkNemesis on Mar 16, 2010 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
(here's a hint)
You’re making my point for me with the CJ stats.
by ZorkNemesis on Mar 16, 2010 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Hey, tell me what happens when you arbitrarily don’t use made up stats and only use things that actually happened to make your point?
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Hey, tell me what happens when you read over my posts and you don’t understand what I’m saying. Because I feel like I made it pretty clear, but you seem to be having great difficulty. So I’d like to know what goes through your head.
If you’re running the ball well, you’re running the ball consistently well. You want to count the homerun plays as evidence that the Eagles are great at running the ball. Well, I’m sure that one 60 yard play every 4 weeks is of great solace to the Eagles when they’re gaining 2-3 yards on the rest of their carries. You must be a huge fan of Willis McGahee.
by ZorkNemesis on Mar 16, 2010 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions
2-3 yards the rest of their carries? You’re the one that said they average 3.88 (when you don’t count the big runs, of course!)
I really don’t understand what you’re trying to prove by saying that our average drops to 3.88 yards per carry when you take out big plays. Is that supposed to be horrible or something?
I mean, I’m not doing the math for every team, but I’m willing to bet every team’s average drops when you factor out their largest runs. I’m like 75% sure!
The fact of the matter is, I didn’t even fully read your original argument. Why? When the argument consists of “if _ didn’t happen, ___________”, then the argument isn’t worth considering, taking seriously, and picking apart meticulously.
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Oh, and in case you were wondering (and I’m sure you weren’t, because you probably consider your arbitrarily adjusted stats more scientifically valid than any other stats), footballoutsiders.com says the Eagles were the 5th best team in rushing efficiency. So, those guys vehemently disagree with your assessment.
http://footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamoff
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My argument isn’t “if _ didn’t happen”. My argument is “These are the numbers. The numbers don’t lie.” I am saying that the Eagles had a couple of big plays, and a LOT of runs that went nowhere. There’s nothing speculative about it. On 379 carries, they averaged less than 4 yards. That’s not “what if”, those are the actual numbers!!
Again, you talk about homerun plays counting as “a good running attack”, and that they should be counted in the argument. Well, let’s talk about Chris Johnson. Chris Johnson had 22 20+ yard runs and 7 40+ yard runs. Every 12 carries he had a huge play. He also rushed for 79 1st downs in general. This is a player who ran well even when he wasn’t breaking one off. He could be relied on in any situation.
The Eagles were 6th worst in the league in 20+ yard plays. We talked about the 5 big plays by Weaver, Westbrook, and McCoy. Well, 5 out of 379 is a homerun every 79 carries. So it’s not exactly a good argument to make IN GENERAL, let alone in this context.
In fact, the TEAM had 7 20+ yard plays in total. Not just the RBs, I’m talking every end around and wildcat play. We had 7 20+ yard plays total. Only 4 other teams had fewer: the Colts, the Redskins, the Texans, and the Lions.
By the way, I’m not dealing with mythical fucking anything. These are actual, factual numbers. You’re the one using mythical numbers by resorting to DVOA, which adjusts numbers to apply to an imaginary scenario. Again, you fail.
But we were 7th in the league in 40+ yard runs!
The fact is that “number of 20 yard runs” and “number of 40 yard runs” are hardly telling stats.
The FACT is that the Eagles averaged 4.3 yards per carry.
What do you expect a team to average when you take out the exceptional plays? The 1.5% of their plays that account for 10% of our rushing total? When you manipulate stats so drastically, you can “prove” any point you want, so long as your audience is as stupid as you are.
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I’m not manipulating anything you dumbass, those are the numbers. The Eagles averaged 3.88 YPC on 98% of their running plays. It’s up to you if you want to decide that the 1.5% where they had big runs means they’re a great running team.
But seeing as your own football outsiders link lists Philly as 20th in offensive consistency, your arguments are rooted largely in delusion.
BTW
The same site lists our offensive line as being 19th in Power Success, and 25th in getting RBs to the 2nd level. So your argument, whatever it is, is pretty much vapor.
Almost every team will have averaged between 3.6 and 4.0 yards per carry if you take out their biggest plays, so I don’t know what your point is. Plus, you’re being pretty fucking obnoxious with the name calling so fuck off, guy.
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You’re being obnoxious with all the nothing you have to back up your angle. I’ve put forward the real data, all you’ve done is say “so what” and link to Football Outsiders, and the data on Football Outsiders invalidates your argument.
I don’t know what else to tell you. I think we’ve reached the end of the debate because now it’s just drawing lines in the sand. You are convinced of one thing and I’m convinced of another. I don’t think anything we could say could change each other’s mind at this point.
"Stacy Andrews wouldn't be here if he couldn't play"
Funny. I remember you said the same thing about Chris Clemons…and Reno Mahe…
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
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LeGarrette Blount
As both an Oregon Duck and Eagle fan, I would love to see Blount get his chance in Philly.
Big strong guy in the mold of Bell, but faster in the open field. Should be available around the 4th round too, so affordable.
Blount reminds me of Michael Bush in that Bush was also a first round candidate who missed nearly all of his senior season and wound up a 4th round pick. That pickup was good for the Raiders. Blount’s stock will depend on his Pro Day.
by ZorkNemesis on Mar 15, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm a Duck fan too and...
I’m not sure Blount fits here. His blocking looked atrocious at the senior bowl and that is actually the first time I ever remember seeing him block because I don’t remember Chip having him stay in to block and I only remember him catching one pass and that was for a two point conversion against Boise St this year.
I can understand why people want Blount and Gerhart because their big but we don’t need either guy with Leonard Weaver here.
I WANT TOBY GERHART!!!! But seriously, I think he’d look great in midnight green, kid is a warrior.
by You don't have to be sweet, to be good on Mar 15, 2010 11:26 PM EDT reply actions
i bet it sucks for you
to have to type in “You don’t have to be sweet, to be good” everytime you sign in. lol
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It is a Ron Hextall reference, and yeah I use my Yahoo ID to sign in hahaha. But yes, that would be pretty terrible lol.
by You don't have to be sweet, to be good on Mar 15, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I still say...
Try n get reggie bush for a 3rd I think this offense would bring out his full potiential
Desean is Rampage Jackson on a rampage outside of the cage
by birdsflyinhigh2590 on Mar 15, 2010 11:41 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I just don’t think the Saints would do it…..
by You don't have to be sweet, to be good on Mar 15, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
for a third?
HIIIIGHLY doubt it.
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