Pay Sheldon
by FrankieFresh on Mar 14, 2010 4:59 PM EDT
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Is anyone else bothered by the fact that we have yet to give sheldon a pay increase. Being that we are one of the richest teams in the league, along with our lack of participation in free agency, AND Sheldon being a top 10 corner in the NFL why the hell hasnt this man been paid yet ???????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????!!!!!!!!!!??????????
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He’s 30 years old and thats the way the eagles do business. 2nd, his agent must really suck. I mean I like the guy too but. If sheldon didnt fire his agent when he signed his last crappy contract thats on sheldon.
Joselio Hanson
Re-signed for 6 years, $15,000,000 in the 2009 offseason. The deal included a 2.275M signing bonus prorated over 5 years, a 2.725M roster bonus in 2009, a 600K roster bonus in 2010, and a 100K workout bonus each year. There are 6M worth of incentives throughout the course of the contract.
Sheldon Brown
Signed for 9 years, $25,425,000 as part of a 6 year extension in 2004. The deal included a 7.5M signing bonus prorated over 6 years, a 250K reporting bonus in 2010, a 500K roster bonus in 2011, and a 1M roster bonus in 2012. There are 1.75M in escalators for each year 2010-2012.
Sheldon gets paid more than Joselio Hanson
thats saying something
To me the Eagles are like that girlfriend that pisses u off, then u hate her, but the next morning you wake up and remember that thing u love so much about her
by XxBleedGreen5xX on Mar 15, 2010 7:48 AM EDT up reply actions
very true
im thinkin about going on strike this year…..im gettin so effin tired of the peigons antics. after this past yr it is impossible to tolerate reid/mcnabb. can any1 explain how reid or mcnabb arent loveable losers
by KolbErahasBegun on Mar 15, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
what's a peigon?
… a pigeon?
either way, i don’t understand your gibberish.
by alcatraz0109 on Mar 15, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
bro you keep threatening to go on strike...
IDK if your just trying to be funny or what but its not funny and you sound like a dumbass for saying it.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
what do you mean why
''I didn't know that, I've never been part of a tie. I never even knew it was in the rule book. I was looking forward to getting the opportunity to get out there and try to drive to win the game."
still.
we should do what we need to, to keep the guy around. he plays at 100% all the time, even with injuries. i’ll be pissed if we wind up shipping him out for a 3rd. hell, i’d even be fairly upset if he got shipped out for a 2nd.
"it's like i tell my ex-wife, i never drive faster than i can see, and besides it's all in the reflexes." -Jack Burton, Big trouble in little China
This stuff really bothers me
NFL players want long-term deals so they have some sort of stability.
NFL players want short-term deals so they can constantly sell their services to the highest bidder.
Here’s a question Sheldon should have asked himself: Why the hell would you sign a 9-year extension? There are pros and cons…the pros are that you’ll have stability provided that you produce for most of or all of your career. The cons: you’re selling yourself for all of your prime years with no break to renegotiate.
You can’t take a long-term deal for the pros and then bitch about the cons…if he had taken a 5-6 year deal, he would have had the chance already to either renegotiate or sign with another team as a free agent. Sheldon sold himself short in 2004
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
i dont think you understand
every year players are getting paid more and more…… Look at it this way, you work at McDonalds and when you are hired you are getting paid $6 per hour, now four years later the people who are being hired and doing the same job as you are starting out at $8 per hour. You wouldnt want to make the same amount as them? You would say “Im good, i knew what my pay was gonna be when i got hired and now i should keep my mouth shut and work for less than these guys who just got here.” He deserves to get paid. He doesnt need to be paid 10 million a year but im sure he will be happy with any type of new contract they give him, and if we dont give it to him than im sure there are 31 other teams that would love to. Who the hell is gonna replace him when he leaves? HE IS THE ONLY PERSON ON OUR ENTIRE DEFENSE THAT CAN TACKLE FOR GODS SAKE !!!!!!!!!!!!!
''I didn't know that, I've never been part of a tie. I never even knew it was in the rule book. I was looking forward to getting the opportunity to get out there and try to drive to win the game."
by FrankieFresh on Mar 14, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
The guy working at McDonalds wasnt offered a contract
1. which paid him more money than he was worth at the time
2. gave him job stability for the next 9 years
hater
why are you a hater? I dont know how you can hate on someone like sheldon. Hes a great player and he didnt even make a big deal about the contract like that….. he just let it be known that he wasnt happy with it, he didnt cause a distraction, and how long ago did he get that contract, 6 years ago really???
''I didn't know that, I've never been part of a tie. I never even knew it was in the rule book. I was looking forward to getting the opportunity to get out there and try to drive to win the game."
by FrankieFresh on Mar 14, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I love Sheldon
And you’re right, he deserves a new contract. But how muh would you give him? 2 years for 12 mill? Also do you think the Eagles would want to spend close to 20 mill for 3 CBs?
I looked up Sheldon’s contract and is going to get paid 11 mill over the next 3 years.
Also when Sheldon signed his contract he had job stability from 2005 till 2009. Sheldon took the gamble of job security over the potential of having a huge contract. He cant have it both ways. If he had torn his ACL or not played to his potential the Eagles would have been screwed for 5 years
it's the both ways thing that gets me
agreed.
he should have known that he was going to be a good player, and not agreed to a 9 year deal. He sold his big payday early for stability. That’s fine, just don’t bitch about the consequences of your decision.
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
It's not hating.
It’s statement of fact. Not all businesses operate like a retail business. The NFL is an example of one of those businesses that operates differently. No one is hating on Sheldon. It’s simply true that there are tradeoffs to taking a long term deal. If he didn’t realize that when he signed, he should have.
No, I understand completely
Let me start by prefacing my opinion with the fact that this is not personal, I’m speaking in theory only, and not for Sheldon Brown specifically. Much like if I’m politically against the idea of universal health-care it in no way means that I specifically don’t want your personal grandmother to get her medication.
Okay, with that preface out of the way your McDonalds metaphor doesn’t work at all. McDonalds employees don’t work for a contract, and if they did, they’d be stupid to lock in the price of their labor at a fixed rate for a long period of time. That’s just economics. When you don’t provide a good or a service, your labor is the only good that you have control over in the market to sell. Why would you sell your labor short?
In Sheldon’s case, he didn’t. He sold his labor for more than what it was worth at the time in exchange for long-term stability. This is the same idea as the local repair shop going out on tow calls for AAA. They get paid less than their time is worth, but the sheer volume AAA brings them makes it worth their while. It would be absurd for them to accept AAA’s volume and then bitch that they don’t get paid enough.
Yes, some people get paid more for doing the same job Sheldon does. I honestly believe that if Sheldon had refused the contract and signed a shorter one where he could have hit free agency, he would have hit a big payday…that was his decision, and now he has to live with the consequences of it. Now, that’s speaking as a man to a man. Concerning the game of football, we need Sheldon Brown and so yes, the Eagles should do what they need to to keep him happy (like they did with Westy) without setting any sort of precedent that anyone can get out of any contract they want just by complaining
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
WTF are you talking about?
1. He signed the deal!!! HE agreed to play for that amount of money. HE could of took less guaranteed and a shorter deal. And gone through contract talks again. BUT “HE” chose to take the guaranteed money. HE did. HE signed the contract. HE hired his agent. If HE is mad about it now. HE should shit in hat and wear it.
2. His contract is a respectable CB contract. “He deserves to get paid.” No. He is getting paid. Millions of dollars. He plays in the NFL. He doesnt work at McDonalds. A McDonalds worker can work for 40 years and barely have enough to retire. An NFL player can play for 1 year and if they properly invest they can earn 100,000k per year for the rest of their lives.
3. Who cares if 31 other teams would pay him more? He didn’t sign a contract with them. His choices are play out his contract or sit out and dont get paid anything but his roster bonus. And I believe teams can re-coup most of the bonus back if a player is not showing up for mandatory team functions.
.4 We don’t owe him anything. The team, the owner and the coaches don’t owe him anything. Playing FB is his job. It is a privilege for him to be part of the NFL organization. I’m pretty sure he feels that way. And that’s why he shows up and honors his contract.
I agree 100% percent with JA on this one
At least in principle.
What I’ve learned over the years is that even if there’s clearly a “right” principle and “wrong” principle in play, it doesn’t always stop people from doing what’s best for themselves.
If Sheldon ends up with a new contract, no matter the means necessary, I’m sure he’s not going to feel bad about having bitched to get it. Yet, by signing the 9-year extension, he got the long-term stability rarely seen in the NFL. It worked the opposite way for Reggie Brown and he isn’t forced to give money back for underperformance.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
so what he has like 3 years left on the deal? whats wrong with him wanting to get it reworked and wanting to get paid the way other corners are being paid now…..? He is one of are most important players on defense and he should be kept happy
''I didn't know that, I've never been part of a tie. I never even knew it was in the rule book. I was looking forward to getting the opportunity to get out there and try to drive to win the game."
Nothings wrong
with regretting your decision to take the long contract. Whats wrong is him wanting to rework his deal with so many years left on the table. Each team/player sit down and agree to what they are worth now and will be worth in the future. They come to some kind of accord and a contract is signed. Those contracts are NEVER renegotiated with 4 years left on them. And rarely reworked with 3 years left on them. So if can play another year at a high level it is possible he can get a contract after this year. There are some mid 30’s CB in the league. So he might squeeze one more contract out of his body.
Im Surprised.............
Where is JIBTA and why hasnt he crawled outta his hole yet 2 speak on this, he is gay 4 Sheldon.
since you put it that way I think were all gay 4 sheldon.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
dont get me wrong.........
Sheldon is deff one of my fav birds of the last 15 years or so but everybody is expendable, and not 2 knock him but that play where he bit on the double move on 3rd and forever against Miles in Philly was HORRIBLE and ultimately the game decider if u throw out the screwjob spot. Like i said i have a ton of respect for Sheldons toughness and leadership but i remember when the birds drafted him and lito when we had Troy and Bobby and everyone was wondering wat the hell they were doing. Well that turned out pretty good right.
by goldenbird09 on Mar 15, 2010 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
He was injured... He had pretty much no choice but to get burned or take a chance at a pick/swat.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
Part of what makes the Eagles a great franchise is they are smart with their money. As fans we have a connection with these guys and say “pay the man” but that is not smart for the team. The smart thing is to keep him under the contract he has now and when his skills don’t match his contract, release him. That is the cold hard truth of the NFL.
Cowboys suck.
It really is
It is easy to forget that football is a business, just like every other major league sport.
Bottom line is, they are going to treat it like a business, and that means being smart with their money.
child please
by worldphuckinchamps on Mar 15, 2010 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions
They should just give him a bonus. He is too "Eagle Old" for a new
contract. Just give him some extra money like they did Don 2-3 years ago. They are looking at new corners now. Asante better watch out too. Remember Bobby “The Blanket” Taylor and Troy Vincent. They were still respectable when the Eagles let them go in favor of Lito (Who is available, cut by the Jets.) and Sheldon. Eagle Old is a process that has kept the Birds youthful. It hasn’t brought us a Super Bowl. But it has kept us competitive.
hahahahahahaha
Bobby “The Blanket” , that brings back good memories, i used 2 love those 2 guys him and Troy. But your right, when they drafted Lito and Sheldon im sure people looked at it as a diss 2 the other guys but it was the right thing 2 do. If we let Dawk go then anybody on this team can be gone.
by goldenbird09 on Mar 15, 2010 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Trade Sheldon
This is the timing the Eagles usually do it. He has basically peaked, he’s under contract for a while and is worth something. By the time Sheldon finishes his contract he’ll be pretty old for a corner and not worth as much.
Whats the point of a new deal anyway? He’s getting 11 mill for the next 3 seasons… how much more do you want to pay him and you want to extend his contract at all?
Asante's contract is a bit of a double edged sword
Sheldon sees it as, “Hey, we do the same job, and he’s making $5M+/year more than me…I want more money!!!!”
The team says, “Sheldon, you’re in the middle of your contract and how much can we invest in one position!?!?”
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
Yeah
You signed a binding agreement Sheldon. You should honor it. You chose security over your growth/injury free potential. It’s akin to paying a higher premium while receiving a smaller deductible, because you feel you will be using your health insurance often. If you thought you were reasonably healthy and not going to use the hospital/doctor for other then something major, you would take the lower premium but the higher deductible. (For those confused. I am too. lol..no, I am saying he took the first option a long term deal, the higher premium, with less overall money, smaller deductible.)
"I will never have my best season," Brian Dawkins
"All I have in this world is my balls and my word and I don't break them for no one." Scarface
Meh
Teams don’t honor their players contracts. If someone isn’t performing, boom your cut. Contracted voided. I’m not saying we should pay Sheldon, since he is getting up their in age, and small injuries are taking a toll (nor is that how the Eagles FO runs stuff), but this “honor your contract” stuff is ridiculous.
by Team Serbia on Mar 15, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Ok then
Teams don’t honor contracts when what…1. a player is injured and/or can’t perform up to standards. 2. has legal troubles. 3. is hurting the team because of attitude.
Do you think they should have to pay injured players. Players who are under performing. Players who are in trouble with the law. And players who are insubordinate?
So
Its okay to cut players who are under performing, but its not okay to ask for more money when you overperforming?
Well lets compare this to a regular person's job...
They get hired and are expected to do A, B, and C at X level. If they fail to fulfill their duties or can’t do so at the level they are being paid they get fired. This is akin to a player being cut, or as Dmyth says, a team not honoring the contract. In the real world that’s fair, and its fair on the football field too, IMO.
At a regular job, if you exceed expectations you can ask for a raise, akin to what Sheldon is doing here. The boss has the option to say no, and the worker has the option to quit if that happens. That’s the difference in football, Sheldon can’t quit the team. He can only complain until his demands or met or he gets a release/trade to a team that will pay him. Therefore Sheldon isn’t doing anything wrong, he’s simply lobbying for a raise he feels he deserves. If he’s that concerned he’ll hold out. We’ll see what happens, but either way I’m not super concerned. If he’s traded for a draft pick, though, look for McNabb to go next. That would signal rebuilding to me.
I Am Better Than Jack Who Some Fool Thinks Is Better Than Asante (IABTJWSFTIBTA)
Fair assesment
and I agree. I will add that Sheldon is the one who under sold his potential for stability.
I dont know why we are arguing so much. I dont think he is talking about holding out.
Sheldon has honored it. He was pissed last year yet he still came to play.
Infact I’m on the Pay the man bandwagon. He signed his agreement, then decided he didnt like it years down the line then when he could’ve been childish and skipped TC or whatever he still showed up and kept his mouth shut, not even 1 peep outta him about it once the season started..
I’d give him a 3 year contract for like 20-25 mil.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
He'd be one of the few I'd do that with though.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
3 year 25 mill?
Are you crazy? He’s 31, injuries are starting to pile up, and its only a matter of time before he loses a step, and you’d want to pay him almost $9 million a year?
No
Its not ok to do that until you are t minus 2years away from the end of your current deal. If he completes this year at the level he has been playing, he then can start the, " negotiation talks".
But as a whole. Teams do and should hold more power. Plus he is not over performing by that much/if any.
Just like teams wait until there is t-minus 2 years away from the end of a players contract to cut a player. The players make the team. I have no problem with him asking for a raise, when he quite obviously deserves one.
And he is by far over performing his contract. He is better than Asante and is getting paid nickels compared to him.
We could go back and
forth all day about players vs organizations. BUT if Sheldon should get more money I think Shawn and Stacey should have to give back money.
Why Stacy?
Stacy Andrews didn’t do anything wrong. The Eagles signed him while he was still on crutches. NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING should have been expected from Stacy this first year. He was barley 6 months removed from surgery at the start of training camp. Shawn, well, injuries play a role. Eagles could have cut him but they believe he will get back to what he was.
Agreed 100%
If Andy didnt see this coming with Stacey and didnt expect him 2 have setbacks then hes a moron.
by goldenbird09 on Mar 15, 2010 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
goldenbird
and if sheldon didn’t see that he was going to be on the edge of super stardom he was an idiot.
Stacey
was a top ten paid Olineman last year. He WAY under performed! My statement was if you believe athletes should get paid IF the over perform. Then we have to reverse it and them give money back when they UNDER PERFORM.
Nope your wrong
Andy knew exactly the condition Stacy was in. There was no way he could have performed up to his ability so soon after surgery. That is Andy’s fault, but I’m pretty sure he knew the condition and was just hopeful.
My point was, if teams can cut players because they suck, then a player can ask for more money when he deserves it. The Eagles could have cut Stacy. Did they? No. So there is NOONE to blame other than the Eagles FO. Not that I think they’re is anything at fault. It would have been ludacris to expect him to start last year.
Ok
Then why pay him top 10 money to then ask him to take a pay cut the next year?
The player can ask all he wants. But I will reverse your statement once again. If it is the FO or Andys fault for giving him the money and being hopeful. It is Sheldon(players) fault if he wasn’t hopeful enough to grind out a larger contract that considers inflation and pay raises to the position.
Look this is going no where. There is no universal truth here BUT when the two parties sit down they are both responsible for getting the best deal possible. If a player does too well negotiating he will be cut. If the FO does too well the player will be disruptive.
I side with the team. You side with the player. Our view point probably reflects our personal views.
Yes
he did. But the context of the argument was ….if a player out plays his contract at any point he should get a raise. My point was after many reformations of it(i realized it was turning into the unions vs the owners debate) that if a player get a raise for over playing his contract. He then should have to give the money back if under plays his contract. So Stacey in fact did restructure but refused to give back any of the guaranteed money.
No again your wrong.
If a player can be cut for not playing up to par, then he should be able to pitch for a raise when he is severely underpaid. No one is giving back any money.
wrong?right?
There is no fact here. It is opinion. If it makes you feel better to say Im wrong go ahead. Its no sweat off my back. I believe that a player can ask BUT the owner has right to refusal. Basically I agree with the way it is. And in most cases unless it benefits the owner, the owner should refuse. In this case at this moment it does not benefit the owner to rework Sheldons deal. The money that they have available is for new talent. Sheldon has hit his peak. Its a shame that he doesn’t get a payday at the pinnacle of his ability(worth). But that is his and his agents fault.
When a team cuts an underperforming player, it’s not “not honoring the contract”.
Non-guaranteed contracts are part of the collective bargaining agreement. Who negotiates that? Owners and the NFLPA. If the players want guaranteed contracts, they’re going to have to completely re-do the CBA.
I am the people's troll :3™
They then would be trading.....
If they restructured for guaranteed contracts. They then would take a pay cut. They would be trading big non guaranteed money(risk shared), for smaller guaranteed money(risk solely with the owner).
I was hoping
the NBA got brought up. Jordan is buying the Bobcats for 200 million less than the Bobcats owner paid 4 years ago. Why? Because the NBA pretty much stinks! I would be interested in how much the owners make from top to bottom compared to the NFL per year and per game. My guess per game comparison is a joke. Per year the top NBA probably compete with the upper middle of the NFL.
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