Which do you value more ...
by jdcvr6 on Mar 12, 2010 11:44 AM EST
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There was a story recently on the team's website stating that Jason La canfora said that the Eagles havent made any calls about their quarterbacks to any teams. Then the point about the Seahawks being interested in Kolb was brought up and La Canfora said that the birds haven't presented any counter-offers or told teams what it would take to get Kolb or any of the QB's on our roster. Then he said this ...
Speaking to "people who have engaged with the Eagles," La Canfora said that ""their sense of the situation"" is that it would take at least a second-round pick for a team to pry away Michael Vick. For Donovan McNabb, "it would take at least a first-round pick to start any real cogent discussions." And Kolb? "It would probably take both of (Seattle's) number one picks to get that deal done. That's how serious they are about Kevin Kolb being a part of their future."
I wasn't really surprised that teams said they thought it would take at least a 1st to get Donovan, but i was surprised about the other two. I don't think it is very realistic for FO to think that a team is gonna give up their 2nd for Vick. Maybe their thinking a QB needy team will get desperate or a team will need a QB due to injury, whatever the case is, I think the absolute best we could get for Vick would be a 3rd. We already knew that the organization was serious about Kolb but this story just shows how highly they think of him.
Then I started thinking. If I was the man who had the power to accept or veto trade offers and Seattle came to me and said "We'll give you our 6th pick and 14th pick for Kevin Kolb" I would seriously consider it and right now im leaning towards accepting it. That trade would give us 2 top 15 prospects and our original 24th overall pick and we would have 6 of the top 100 picks in the draft. I want know what you guys think of this idea. I know realistically there is about a .001 percent chance of this actually happening, but if you could accept or decline trade offers would you trade Kolb for the 6th and 14th pick in the upcoming draft?
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its very tantelizing
but would we use one of those 3 first rounders on a QB of the future? (if we did in fact execute such a trade)
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I dont think so
We didn’t get Kolb in the first so why would we have to? We would extend McNabb and probably keep Vick and get a QB in the later rounds.
I’m totally for it.
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We got him with out first pick
and he was practically a late first round pick. We’d need a sure-fire QB that can take over in 2 years so that he can still get rapport with our young receivers/running backs before they too enter their prime. Personally, there is no way Seattle offers this, and I still think Kolb is untouchable. But if he were to be traded in some crazy universe, it would be for 2 first round picks.
by Team Serbia on Mar 12, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
I thought we were talking
about getting Seattles first two picks and ours.. which would make the first three in the first. Considering how deep this draft is supposed to be… my point was, we would haven’t to use our first three, first round picks on a QB if we didn’t want to. We could of used our 2nd round pick. thats all I was referencing
In life, as in a football game, the principle to follow is: Hit the line hard.
-Theodore Roosevelt
How can you say that!?
Kolb has been groomed to be our future QB. McNabb is on the outs. Why would we do such a thing?
Do we have to dicuss this when you take me out to dinner!?!?!!
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
I'd trade Kolb for one #1.
The guy isn’t that good. Bye, kevin.
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how are you so sure he isn't going to be good?
there is a definite possibility he could be trash (however small it is the way Eagles brought him up).
but…
Could you explain? I only remember you trashing him, I can’t remember why or how you say he sucks.
by alcatraz0109 on Mar 14, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
If there aren't any QBs worth it in Round 1 (and imho I don't like any of them)
then no.
I like the Fordham QB Skelton, but we wouldn’t need a 1st to get him.
by alcatraz0109 on Mar 12, 2010 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldnt
i would trade out of the 1st round for a pick and a 1st next year….. then do it because i dont really like the QBs coming out
by FakePhilly33 on Mar 12, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
If I was the man who had the power to accept or veto trade offers and Seattle came to me and said “We’ll give you our 6th pick and 14th pick for Kevin Kolb” I would seriously consider it and right now im leaning towards accepting it.
Yeah, I’d say that’s a no-brainer. No sane team would ever offer that kind of package though. I think that by saying (2) 1st’s, they’re basically saying Kolb’s not available.
same here
Thats what I was getting from the article but it would certainly be nice to have 3 of the top 24 picks.
That's all it is.
The rest is hyperbole/baseless reaction.
According to the poll, I’m in the minority here, but I don’t think you trade a QB you’ve invested three years on and is “ready” — and you know what you have — just so you can start over by drafting another one who might not be ready when McNabb is done and/or might never be any good.
It’s tantalizing, but I don’t think it’s a winning strategy. Even of the two first-round picks, one’s likely to be a dud — which means you might end up asking yourself is guy x or y in 2-3 years more helpful than Kolb now?
Kolb might not ever be an All-Pro QB, but I think the Eagles are doing the right thing by valuing him highest. And I say that recognizing that the D needs an upgrade and wanting McNabb to start this year.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
wow someone who's smart
and isnt treating this off season like they’re playing madden…
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exactly
we’d probably get the 14th, we’d have to dive them a day 2, early day 3 draft pick for the #6
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by sports00fan00 on Mar 12, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
I’d take that deal in a second. Draft another QB to start developing and start talking to McNabb’s agent about his latest contract extension. Parlay those picks into fixing the offensive line and creating a dominant defense, and that’s a championship formula.
Of course, I don’t see any way the Seahawks actually do that deal. Oh well.
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Man
With 3 first round picks you could upgrade the whole team. As deep as this draft is . SHIT, Id take those first rounders and trade back in the draft. Maybe keep one in the first. so your saying The 6th and the 14th pick in the draft for kolb? You guys are just going to think about? He’ll If i was reid , I would have dropped the phone and had a heart attack.
With the 6th and 14th you would be able to get Berry or Haden(you may still have to trade up for Berry though) and get Morgan(may have to trade up again though but we have the picks) and then we could draft Weatherspoon like it seems a lot of people want to do so we would improve all three levels of the defense in the first round.
A bird in hand is worth 2 in the bush. I say if the Eagles are confident in Kolb’s ability, keep him.
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by yomjoseki on Mar 12, 2010 1:27 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
The reason for Vick being a 2 is because next year he would most likely be tendered at a 3rd round pick so asking for a 2nd round pick one year earlier is not really a big deal….
Errrrrrrrrr
Yes he walks next year we get a comp 3rd rounder.
by sowhatifitisasportste on Mar 12, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
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you win
However we will receive a comp pick from him, why trade a guy who in the past proved he can win by himself?
by sowhatifitisasportste on Mar 12, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
you assume we received a comp pick it’s not definite it depends on who else we lose and who we sign, there is no definite.
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by sowhatifitisasportste on Mar 12, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
I think before I took a trade that sent Kolb away I would seriously think about what I think of this year’s QB class and next year’s QB class. You basically have to say that McNabb will go maybe 2 more years so you need that QB to be able to start by then. If you don’t spend that 6 pick on Bradford/Clausen (assuming one is available) then can you find a guy with the tools and work ethic to be Reid’s project for the next couple years. That in mind, I think I’d rather keep Kolb.
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by TransplantedFan on Mar 12, 2010 1:42 PM EST reply actions
Question
What happens to player contracts if there is a lockout? Do the contracts all get frozen until its over? Do they all just lose a year? I’m very curious of the consequences if the midnight deal next year isn’t done?
A big IF
If there is a hold out the 2010 contracts will hold over till the 2011 season. Along with that from what I understand of it is if a player has 2 years left at the start of the 2010 season and there is a hold out he will have 2 years left starting in the 2011 year… correct me if I’m wrong
by sowhatifitisasportste on Mar 12, 2010 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
With no QB currently on the roster for a long term possibility
I’m not sure. The only way I would do it is if we drafted a QB and then tagged mcnabb. That way the younger guy has a year to develop and the team doesn’t have vick starting.
"Now Sav Rocca played for the Magpies in Australia. I don't know if it's a bird or a pie or what it is." Ike Reese
Look I think Kolbs
going to be a great player, Infact I think he will break Dmacs records if we give him a chance…
Kolb’s got more value to us, it’s time to give him the damn ball and watch him grow.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
Actually if we got Kolb for the Seahawks two 1sts this year I'd take that,
them match the #6 and #24 to move up to 1 and take Bradford then use #14 to pick the BPA
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
This is a no-brainer
I like Kolb but if Seattle were to offer BOTH the #6 and #14 pick? You take it and run with it before the Seattle FO changes their mind. That’s insane value for a QB that has only started 2 games.
Yep, no doubt in my mind to take the 6th and 14th pick from Seattle
I really really really love Kolb, yet the offer would be too tantilizing, The Eagles FO would be stupid if they were offered that and didn’t take that.
If this happened, hopefully the FO could snag Berry if he falls or at the 14th pick get Earl Thomas or Graham. And then, there is also the 24th pick which I would use to get maybe Taylor Mays from USC and turn him into a freak linebacker that would outrun any other player on the field. Other possiblities for the 6th and 14th pick of the 1st round could include CJ Spiller at 14 or Morgan at 6
eff you we winning anyway
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what about pick 14 and a first next year?
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by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on Mar 14, 2010 12:03 AM EST reply actions
Nah, this drafts the best in 27 years, if we get picks in the 1st it has to be this year,
next years draft will be sub-par due to all the underclassmen entering this one
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
If Kolb was Peyton Manning or Dan Marino
I wouldnt do this
Kolb has started 2 games and from what I saw in those games I think Kolb will be a very good QB. However, I don’t think he will ever be a “star” like Manning or Brady. I think at best he will be a blrderline top 10 qb just like McNabb. If you think this assumption based on 2 games is unfair, I’ll let you have that point. But Reid and Co. have been with him for 3 yrs and they know his potential. I’m pretty sure they would trade him for the 6th and 14th pick in a heartbeat.
in a heart beat
And I like Mcnabb a lot. 2 firsts for Kolb. Jump on it. Shit there is so much defensive and o line talent in this draft how do you not? Think about this. Say Suh, McCoy, Okung, Bulaga, Berry, and a pick em. Possiblities left at 6. McClain, Bradford, Morgan, Spiller, Davis basically a lot of highly probable elite talent. Then you have another choice 8 pick laters. This would be insane. And another one 10 picks later? We would set ourselves up on Defense and O line for the next 10 years. We don’t need to get a Bradford or Clausen( who I think is more like Brady Quinn then anything) There are serviceable, very gifted QB’s in the later rounds, or you got Locker and quite a few others next year. or how about, we take our 3 firsts and McNabb and send them to GB for Rodgers? Okay, I figured since we were in the realm of fantasy here, that might fly. But yeah, 2 1sts for Kolb, consider him a Seahawk.
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by Talon Talent on Mar 15, 2010 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
first this year
second next year
we had 44-6
you had 58-14
now we want an eagles SuperBowl win in Dallas next season
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