A look at the depth chart
by sowhatifitisasportste on Mar 12, 2010 12:18 PM EST
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I'm going to be looking at the depth chart and judgeing them on a scale of 1-5 the way it looks 1 being lowest and 5 being highest.
Donovan McNabb 4 A lot of people would be happy / indiffrent to see the McNabb Era end however if we were starting the SB tommrow this guy gives up the best chance to win.
Kevin Klob 3+ This guy has shown he has the arm to get it done. In the 2 games he started last year he threw for 300+ yards in both and aside from a horrible 3rd quarter vs NO Saints he was solid / good.
Running Back
LeSean McCoy 3+ A strong young kid who in college showed the ability to run between the tackles and in his first year showed he can be the dual threat that Andy Reid and his West Coast offense demands. Needs to be a bit more careful with the football but in his first season both as a starter and in the NFL he will only get better.
Eldra Buckley 2 A hard nosed runner showed all the talent in the world during the 09 Preseason however dissipated during the regular season.
Full Back
Lenoard Weaver 5 A guy who I associate with Mike Allstott and I feel is one of if not the most complete FB in the NFL today opened up a whole new dimension the the offense and can pick up a block like he was a guard.
Wide Receiver
DeSean Jackson 4+ Would be a 5 if he was only a few inches taller.
Jeremy Maclin 4+ I think at the end of next season he will be a 5
Jason Avant 4 At any point last year can you recall watching a game and saying to your TV "Come on man you need to catch those Jason"? I cant. He has been the definition of only getting better.
Left Tackle
Jason Peters 5 In the NFC East you face some of if not the meanest group of DE you will find anywhere and he made them look average at best. A force in both the run game and pass protection one of the best moves over the last 5 years.
Left Guard
Todd Herremans 4 Solid is an understatement when talking about this guy. He was the the rock that took our injury depleted offensive and made the left side the place where you didn't blitz.
Center
Jamal Jackson 3/5 Before his ACL went he would have been a 5 and was overlooked so much till he went down. History shows that it takes 2 years to come back. He went down in I think it was week 14 (Broncos game) Him being in the lineup next year is a long shot at best.
Nick Cole 3 His rating is low due to the offensive line being out of sync when he was in. I do however believe that practice makes perfect and if he is going to start and get the reps then that headache will go away.
Right Guard
Max Jean-Gilles 2 We need help a mountain of a man with the heart of a mouse.
Nick Cole 4 I have him as #2 due to him starting at center but at RG he is as good as 90% of of team's starters.
Right Tackle
Winston Justice 4 I am so happy to be able to rate him as high as I have. After his 1st start I had written him off. One of the many reasons I am not coaching. His biggest upside is he is young and only going to get better.
Tight End
Bert Celek 4 On behalf of all of us here at BGN thank you Bret for stepping up. Thank you for bring us back to the TE play that we haven't seen since Chad Lewis.
Cornelius Ingram 1++ I half to give you a one brother. I'm sorry I understand the torn ACL you suffered in college was not repaired correctly I understand it had to tear again to fix it right I understand that the coaches and owners knew it would tear again, and I forgive you. HOWEVER you need to come out like GANGBUSTERS next year give us the 2 TE sets that we have never run with too much success here in Philly. You owe the Philly Owners a lot.
Now on to the Defense
Free Saftey
Macho Harris 2 His play might improve next year, I wanted this kid to step up and prove everyone wrong ( I pull for the underdog) but he let me and Philly down.
Quintin Demps 2 True story if you you go to Wikipedia and look up shit the bed it has a picture of Demps. He was groomed under one of, if not the best Free Safeties the NFL has seen, had the starting job in his hand and pissed it away. A true disappointment in every part of his game starting with his work ethic.
Strong Saftey
Quintin Mikell 3 He made the Pro Bowl .... I don't think he deserved it but he did. 2 years ago he showed he was able to play the position with the best of them however after BDawk left his uninspiring play showed up. Solid tackler but when you look at your team and ask "Who's gona make a play?" don't look in his direction.
Marlin Jackson 2+ Injury prone unfamiliar with our system I'm putting him hear cause I need a back up. The Colts fan that showed up to BGN said he is a solid "Football Player" and a reliable tackler. If he is healthy we'll find a spot for him but, it would not surprise me to a 53 man roster without him on it.
Left Corner Back
Asante Samuel 3/4 Rember the Quintin Mikell question " Who's gona make a play" Asante will but on 3 & 10 who's got 2 thumbs and not make the tackle short of the first??? That's right THIS GUY. The football definition of riverboat I see him a big reason to why our defense was feast of famine last year.
Right Corner Back
Sheldon Brown 4 I would have loved to make him a 5, however he disseminated me last year not in his on the field play but with the departure of BDawk he was the man fans looked to when they thought about who's going to be the emotional leader of the team. Solid in coverage, solid tackler, can and will lay the big hit Eagles fans have no reason but to love this guy.
Weakside Linebacker
Akeem Jordan 3+ Last year before he was hurt I saw him steeping up his game he found himself in the right place at the right time didn't lay the big hits but didn't miss tackles our D lost something when he went down last year. I do believe there are better out there but if he starts next year I wont be banging my head against a wall hoping to find a stud.
Strong Side Linebacker
Moise Fokou 2-4 All the talent in the would without a brain in his head to back it up. If he was on the field for 25% of the defensive pays it's a stretch but, still accounted for 75% of our personal fouls (now that's commitment). If he pulls his head out of his ass he can be successful if not he will man special teams till his contract runs out.
Chris Gocong 2+ The only reason you have a "+" is you have starting experience. To loose your job to a rookie who as stated before has his head up his ass you really need to have been lacking production.
Middle Linebacker
Stewart Bradly 4+ To all of us here from BGN come back soon Stew. I don't think any team missed any one player more then we missed Stewart Bradly.
Joe Mays 2+ I wanted you to be the success story of this year however you let me down loosing your job to the AX MAN aka the one legged wonder aka 54.
Right Defensive End
Trent Cole 5 He's a beast .... that's all that needs to be said
Left Defensive Tackle
Mike Patterson 4 Solid starter, solid tackler, solid against run solid against the pass what more needs to be said. O and he's young.
Right Defensive Tackle
Brodrick Bunkley 4 Solid Starter solid tackler solid again...... sound familiar?
Right Defensive End
Jaqua Parker 3 I think you've seen your last year as a starter.
Trever Laws 2+ For a 2nd round pick we all expected more granted you were injured last year but, you need to show the coaching staff something soon or you will find yourself on the unemployment line.
Jason Babin 3+ You came into training camp with fresh legs set the would on fire, came back to the position you played in college we all saw you and thought "this is this guy's 2nd chance he's not gona blow it" but you proved us wrong didn't you. The only good thing I can say is for only playing 10% of the downs you did have some production. If only the opposing teams started in 1st and 40 then we could have our pass rushing team in and you would get the start.
Now that we will look at team needs and the draft and how we can improve.
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LOL
I saw it as a double-fail:
Bert Celek 4 On behalf of all of us here at BGN thank you Bret for stepping up.
One of those damn B names!
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
i read that and didnt even notice that
is at peace with the fact that i am a DICK.... i am good at it.... it is what i do.... it defines who i am.... will i be hated?? most definitely... do i care?? hell no...
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good post though
I liked reading it. Gocong has to go. He needs to be traded. I can see him doing well some where else. I still think it would be to hard to rate the players from last year. the team was hurt to bad. I think Babin has to go to . After preseason I though WOW and the texans let this guy walk . Now i know why. Trever Laws a 2 is being kind. Im hopin he pulls a winston justice and comes back kickin ass. If not he has to go.
Would be a 5 if he was only a few inches taller.
Really … this is the benchmark for your rating system? I’d say it’s severely flawed.
They call me The Professor.
His Hight
Limits how he can be used. Let me ask you a question Who would you rather throw a jump ball to Randy Moss or DeSean Jackson??
by sowhatifitisasportste on Mar 12, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
Why
There is a reason 30 of 32 teams have a jump ball in the corner of the endzone for a reason.
by sowhatifitisasportste on Mar 12, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
Edit
There is a reason 30 of 32 teams have a jump ball ito the corner of the endzone in their playbook.
by sowhatifitisasportste on Mar 12, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
that’s called a fade not a jump ball there is a BIG difference. The reason we don’t throw the fade has nothing to do with Jackson’s size but the fact that McNabb can’t throw it, he’s horrid at it.
But even still you are saying because we can’t run 1 play out of an NFL playbook a player loses a whole point. Your ratings are all opinion based so they are immediately flawed I was just pointing out that it’s a little ridiculous to dock a player a whole point because of his height.
They call me The Professor.
With all due respect
It’s not, physical stature has a lot to do with playing potential in the NFL are you going to take D Jackson at 5’10" 150 lbs soaking wet and play him at guard?
by sowhatifitisasportste on Mar 12, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
It’s extreme yes but it demonstrates how size and stature make up what you can and can’t do. I’m not saying he can not run the fade or that he can not get up and over someone to make the catch. In fact he is probably only as good as he is because of his size. Think about it he had to be faster then everyone else his entire career to make it work and that’s what makes him great.
by sowhatifitisasportste on Mar 12, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
meh his height doesn’t make him any less of a player, you will never convince me otherwise. Thankfully there are people like you who believe that because otherwise he never would have fallen as far in the draft and we probably wouldn’t have him on our team.
They call me The Professor.
Or
We would have taken him in the first instead of trading back and getting him in the 2nd =)
by sowhatifitisasportste on Mar 12, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, but
jackson’s not playing at guard, is he?
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
Ask
Eli Manning how hard it was to handle business once Plaxico shot himself ( still makes me laugh)
by sowhatifitisasportste on Mar 12, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
His size obviously limits him
you’d be crazy to think otherwise. He had nice yardage but he only had 60ish receptions. That’s not a lot and I don’t think its going to improve that much. He has his speed working for him, but does anyone recall a tough catch he made? We can use him on the outside but I’d cringe seeing some LB wreck him over the middle.
I don’t mean to down play Desean but he’s our homerun hitter.
call me crazy then.
He had nice yardage but he only had 60ish receptions. That’s not a lot and I don’t think its going to improve that much.
This has nothing to do with his size … it’s called WCO. Receivers just don’t get many receptions the most under Reid is 77 (Curtis/Owens) so Jackson had 63 you don’t think he could get 14 more receptions next year year?
They call me The Professor.
That was Owens playing in 14 games
Taking the average, we would finish the season with 88 catches. I don’t see Jackson getting this many receptions. I can’t see him being a consistent threat to grab 6+ catches a game. Size doesn’t matter, whatever we want to believe. For every Steve Smith and Desean Jackson success, theres hundreds of failure stories. If size didn’t matter, Earl Boykins wouldn’t be the only player in the NBA under like 5’9.
AND
Hank Basket would be unemployed =(
by sowhatifitisasportste on Mar 12, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
And I'm not bashing Djax
He is going to be our weapon for the next while, and he just needs the ball in his hands to make something big happen. But even in my wildest dreams he would never pull off something like getting 20 receptions in a game as Brendon Marshall did. That’s all im trying to say.
meh
For every Steve Smith and Desean Jackson success, theres hundreds of failure stories.
And for every Randy Moss or Calvin Johnson there is a ton of Reggie Williams or a Charles Rogers.
What about Welker, Santana Moss, Santonio Holmes, Percy Harvin, Lee Evans, Steve Smith x2, Greg Jennings, Devery Henderson?
They call me The Professor.
Size matter
If you can’t get that, then thats fine. If size didn’t matter Hank Baskett wouldn’t have been in the league the past 5 years.
what? lol now you are just being ridiculous. 1 tall player remaining in the league is your closing argument?
Size does not matter within reason. A WR who is 6’5" is not automatically better than a player who is 5’10" or DeSean Jackson would have been cut last year and not Hank Baskett.
It’s okay I understand Eagles fans have always been obsessed with a tall receiver. It’s ridiculous but I understand the fascination.
They call me The Professor.
Nope. Size matters. Brendon Marshall, Randy Moss, Owens, Calvin Johnson, etc. all these good receivers who are tall and physical have ceilings that WAYYYYYYYYYY surpass Desean Jackson’s.
If Desean Jackon and all those players were to be on the exact same skill level, all those players would be better than him.
hey
team serbia knows whats up bro .. size matters .. i like desean .. but he isnt top 5 and never will be ..
by jack is better than asante on Mar 12, 2010 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
Steve Smith (CAR) 5'9", Steve Largent 5'11"
Ike Bruce 6’0", Marvin Harrison, 6’0", Lance Alworth 6’0", Paul Warfield 6’0", Hines Ward 6’0", Rod Smith 6’0"
I agree that height can help or limit, but don’t say you need to be tall to be a top 5 WR.
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bro just stop JIBTA's all about size, nothing else...
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
I'm saying that
size matters. It’s not the be-all-end-all but it does matter. There are obviously exceptions were smaller guys have been dominant, but like I said take a 6’4 guy and a 5’11 guy with the same skill, the 6’4 guy would better. If Desean Jackson could be 6’4 with the same skills, hell yea id grow him.
by Team Serbia on Mar 13, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with you
But to say DeSean can’t be one of the great WRs because he’s short is ridiculous. I’m looking at you, JIBTA.
I Am Better Than Jack Who Some Fool Thinks Is Better Than Asante (IABTJWSFTIBTA)
Size Matters
That’s why the Ladies love me……wait what are we atlking about?
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by Talon Talent on Mar 15, 2010 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not necessarily saying that
It is harder for him to do it, then lets say Calvin Johnson. He’ll need immense talent, which isn’t out of the question. I just felt like if the long ball wasn’t there, that he wouldn’t do much else. I’m particularly look at the three Dallas games.
You gave Ingram a 1 because he was injured and Bradley a 4 because why exactly?
If my mother put on a helmet and shoulder pads and a uniform that wasn't the same as the one I was wearing, I'd run over her if she was in my way. And I love my mother. - Bo Jackson
Let me ask you
What has Ingram done? He’s shown potential that’s why I gave him a ++ and Bradley got a 4 due to the fact that at the end of the 09 season ( I was deployed so all I did was look at football film and work) made our LB corps look good.
by sowhatifitisasportste on Mar 12, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
My point is more that they both finished the season out of action because of injuries. Now we are waiting to see what they can do when they get back on the field. Also I think you overrate Bradley based on his potential. I realize this is all subjective but I would have ranked them equally (3 or 1) because they’re in the same situation until they show something.
If my mother put on a helmet and shoulder pads and a uniform that wasn't the same as the one I was wearing, I'd run over her if she was in my way. And I love my mother. - Bo Jackson
I think
They both have shown something, Bradley has shown that he can not only compete at this level but excell and Ingram has shown to be a dominate force in college. I do have a hard on for good play from the MLB position
by sowhatifitisasportste on Mar 12, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
good post….you have bunkley and patterson wayyy over rated but all together pretty good….patterson is a 2+ and bunkley is a 3+ and as much as i hate to say it Trent Cole is not a 5 hes a 4 + did nothing in the playoffs…and sorry but Jared Allen is a 5 … Dwight Freeny 5…they get double teamed too and they still make plays…love him to death but its true….maclin also cant be 4+ yet lets be serious…and to finish…gocong is a -1
Peters is by no means a 5
He played good last year- but there is NO WAY he deserves a 5. It was an absolute joke that “snap count” made the pro bowl last year
i'd say a 3/4 at best.
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
peters
peters is a 5 bro .. thats about all he got right .. macho and gocong should be like -2 … negative for those bums .. bradley a 4 .. joke .. avant a 4 .. no way .. all these grades suck ass .. if peyton manning is a 5 .. how the fuck is mcnabb a 4
by jack is better than asante on Mar 12, 2010 2:51 PM EST reply actions
Hey
I heard jack is still unsigned
by sowhatifitisasportste on Mar 12, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
there are few true slot recievers
better than avant. not THE best, but certainly very good
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
he’s not a 4 though. if you are comparing avant to the rest of the wr’s in the league, there’s no way he gets that high of a rating.
I like Avant, he has done nothing but get better his whole time her…. and not dropping balls gets overlooked till they start slipping through your fingers
by sowhatifitisasportste on Mar 13, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
Desean a 4? Peters a 5?
What he is limited in size I think he makes up for in speed which is also a useful WR attribute that the taller ones (the ones you probably would give 5s to) don’t have and should make them 4s if you’re doing it the other way around. Jackson has shown over the last two years that he is among the elite WRs in the league, I think Maclin will show that too but isn’t quite there, he has to prove he won’t Reggie Brown on us.
Peters on the other hand is a solid player and played like a 5 most of the time. However he did get hurt and I feel early on in the season didn’t provide 5 protection.
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mcmoron
a four… are you kidding??? how about a zero… he has negative value and gives the team no chance of winning anything!!!!
by Elmo the faithful fan on Mar 12, 2010 4:01 PM EST reply actions
you are the single stupidest, most moronic waste of matter that has ever posted on this blog.
fall in a ravine.
by alcatraz0109 on Mar 12, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
so your saying you would give him a 5 in that category?
by FakePhilly33 on Mar 12, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
dunno what you mean.
McNabb gets a 4. eh, maybe a 3.75.
Elmo gets a -∞.
by alcatraz0109 on Mar 12, 2010 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
i was just kidding
giving Elmo a 5 in the stupid, moronic waste of matter.. category
by FakePhilly33 on Mar 14, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
i'd say he gets a 5 in that category.
to me, jibta is champion.
elmo is #2.
but kolberahasbegun is getting up there!
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
yet we went 11-5 last year.
and he wasn’t the one that lost those two dallas games.. his accuracy was pretty bad but i don’t think anyone else stepped up either..
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
i agree...
I don’t agree with a lot of what this guy is saying. I realize it is just his opinion. But, didn’t babin sign with washington? Also, I feel he is way off base on Mikell. As far as saying he would not be the one to make a play. That is a little ridiculous to me after one ok year preceding a good year. Also, mikell did not make the probowl. At least I did not think he did.
babin's still an eagle
for now
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
Kolb at a 3+
How can you say this based on two starts? Neither team, the Saints or the Chiefs, were prepared for Kolb. The Saints intercepted him three times and weren’t even a top ten defense.
"Keep them both for 2010. 2 >1" Route 36
Well, Saints’ D were #3 in the league in interceptions with 28…
RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
McNabb's Chamionship game and Super Bowl career: 129/225, 57.3 completion percentage, 1426 yards, 6.3 YPA, 9 touchdowns, 9 interceptions, 72.9 QB rating, 1-5
Not at that point in the season.
He is a good QB, but I don’t feel he is worth that rating. Teams were not prepared for him, they had barely seen him play. With an offseason to prepare for him the story will be different. I have faith in the EAGLES and I like Kolb but I feel that we will go downhill with him at the helm, for a little while atleast.
"Keep them both for 2010. 2 >1" Route 36
by Cowboy KILLER on Mar 13, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
c'mon
you don’t prepare for a quarterback unless he runs like the wind…
yeah you can whatever you want, but the route progressions are the same, so the qb’s eyes will prety much be the same, anyways, look at the good qb’s, there is not way to ‘gameplan’ for a specific one, unless he’s a runner and maybe you leave a spy on him…
On the contrary.
A defense is prepared for their opponent. They know the looks a QB will give and how to get inside his head. If you don’t believe me ask Peyton Manning.
"Keep them both for 2010. 2 >1" Route 36
by Cowboy KILLER on Mar 13, 2010 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
Chiefs were prepared for Kolb but he still torched them.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
Sorry the Chiefs don't count.
You are saying he torched a 4-12 team, I have a six year old that could do that.
"Keep them both for 2010. 2 >1" Route 36
by Cowboy KILLER on Mar 14, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Erm, they took Tony Romo to OT.
Stop thinking that because the Chiefs are bad they don’t count as a quality win. We torched them while Romo nearly lost and Big Ben, Orton, and Jason Campbell did lose. The Raiders went 5-11 this year, and that record doesn’t suggest they were any good. Well, they beat us, right? If we’d won, would THAT have counted?
Anyone can torch a 3-13 team at home, right? Well, Drew Brees didn’t. Just sayin’.
by alcatraz0109 on Mar 14, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Cruise control
Is the reason they lost to a 3-13 team and I think that is why we lost to the Raiders too. As for Orton, Campbell and Big homo, these guys aren’t that good.
"Keep them both for 2010. 2 >1" Route 36
by Cowboy KILLER on Mar 14, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Big Ben
Is who I meant. Sorry I should of put no helmet wearing, motorcycle wrecking, possible co-ed raping waste of a strong arm. My bad should have been more clear.
"Keep them both for 2010. 2 >1" Route 36
by Cowboy KILLER on Mar 14, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I think yomjo was saying
That while you said Romo “isn’t good” he actually is pretty good. I hate the guy, I’d prefer Mcnabb any day, but the guy is a good QB.
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Only one of those picks is credible
They others were just like hailmarys with little time left.
by Team Serbia on Mar 13, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
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