The Linc - Seahawks want Kolb, not McNabb?
by JasonB on Mar 11, 2010 9:09 AM EST
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Source: Seahawks Have Inquired About Kolb
The Seattle Seahawks have expressed interest in one – not two – Eagles quarterbacks. A source in Seattle has informed Comcast SportsNet that the Seahawks have contacted the Eagles about Kevin Kolb, contradicting a report that the team has asked about Donovan McNabb as well.
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If no teams are interested in McNabb
I guess the GMs that keep telling us how great he is are just sugar coating it. And with ALL the teams interested in Kolb I guess teams think the young fella has pretty good potential to be a young franchise qb in this league.
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i would much rather deal mcnabb than kolb.
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
I would too
But all reports indicate not very many people are interested — they rather have Kolb.
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yeah, seems that way to me too.
but do you really think reid would trade kolb? well i mean of course he would if the price was right..
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
Think about it,
You can use your first round pick on what ever you need.
You trade Eagles a second and a 4th for Kolb,
You now addressed 2 major positions on your team, and you didn’t need to trade away your number 1 pick. Kolb is very similar to Sanchez, so Carroll will make good use of him. Makes sense for Seattle.
We also benefit by receiving those picks to improve and already good team. I think Kolbs accurancy would be a benefit to this team, but McNabb takes care of the ball. That is huge for Andy.
In Kolb we trust
i understand.
ironic how your signature is “in kolb we trust” lol.. seattle has the sixth and fourteenth overall pick. no idea what pick they have in round two. i’d be willing to take the 14th overall for kolb. or, like you said, a second and a fourth. something like that.
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
I usually agree with you TPB
But taking care of the ball hasn’t shown anything. Both Brees and Manning threw 15-16 picks this year. Plus, whats the difference between a pick and a 3 and out on your own 20 bc you skipped a ball to Maclin’s feet on 3rd down?
You DO NOT, under ANY circumstance trade Kolb. And to me, Kolb has shown a lot more potential than Sanchez has. Had Sanchez not had the best D in football he would be considered a bust.
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Kolb doesn't get traded
unless 2 first round picks are offered.
by Team Serbia on Mar 11, 2010 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
Taking care of the ball is huge. The difference is points and field position leading to points. Reid hates turnovers with the burning fire of a thousand exploding suns.
And because Reid wants to win now, not after Kolb has his rookie starter year experience, he’s probably keeping McNabb. Unless someone makes a really rich offer… but that goes for Kolb too. Sure he would trade Kolb if the price was right! And then go out and draft another young QB to develop. You would think he has confidence in his ability to draft and develop another one.
If my mother put on a helmet and shoulder pads and a uniform that wasn't the same as the one I was wearing, I'd run over her if she was in my way. And I love my mother. - Bo Jackson
I agree totally.
I’m just justifying Seattle not Philly. I think Andy needs to get of those special mushroom cheeseburgers. As those mushrooms may be tainted and clouding his vision with Kolb.
I think Kolb and Sanchez are cerebral QB. Not huge arm guys, but good read guys. Just smart players. Both have a tendency to throw picks, but Kolb is more accurate. Both have relatively average to below average arms.
Reid has this thing about playing it SAFE at QB. McNabb doesn’t throw you the ball unless you are WIDE open. Kolb has stones, and will sqeez a pass or two. This results in some picks. Like that Sharper one in NO. That wasn’t his fault, but he was trying to sqeez that pass.
I love Kolb, he is my favorite player. Hence for the signature and the avatar with 2K4. Thats my nickname for Kolb.
I would trade McNabb in a heart beat, just because it doesn’t make sense to hold him, only to get nothing for him next year. Andy needs to make a move with McNabb, but maybe no one is biting. We need to stop asking for a first rounder, and settle for a 2nd plus, just because McNabb is 34 and in a final year of a contract.
But if we are definitely NOT trading McNabb, than get what you can for Kolb. Not my ideal move, but one that will capitalize in value at least.
In Kolb we trust
by yophillybro on Mar 11, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
also, I only refered to Sanchez because of Carrol.
In Kolb we trust
by yophillybro on Mar 11, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
wouldn't you!
McNabb only makes sense for the Vikings. But we aint getting a first rounder from them.
Things are starting to be clear. I think the fans would kill the Eagles if they trade Kolb. But right about now, I just want something done. If we can get a first rounder for Kolb, do it.
In Kolb we trust
I really don’t see Andy trading away Kolb for anything less then a 1st and a 3rd. You guys gotta remember he followed Kolb since freshman year of college as has been grooming him forever now. All these years spent grooming him would be for nothing if we just gave him away to another team after they made him into what he is. Any team that wants him is not getting him unless they give up an arm and a leg, which would be something along the lines of a 1st and 3rd.
by Samoura23 on Mar 11, 2010 9:46 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
or, in the seahawks case..
their two first rounds and a second round :)
would never happen though
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
Yes I would much rather have Kolb
That’s exactly why the Eagles won’t/shouldn’t trade him… We haev our future young QB, why would we trade him for a 1st round pick who didn’t play a down in the NFL yet? That doesn’t make any sense unless you pick a guy who already has a high rating in Madden in the draft…but this isn’t madden!
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why would we trade him for a 1st round pick who didn’t play a down in the NFL yet?
We won’t. Period. Not for a 1st round pick.
Now if we get a first round pick plus more… then it becomes a possibility. But no way Reid trades Kolb for a 1st round pick only. I don’t think he gets traded at all, but if he was going to be, it would be for 2 1st’s or a 1st, 2nd, and some other picks. So people need to throw this whole “Kolb for a 1st round pick” thing out the window.
I realize you don't like McNabb
But these kind of half-informed, poor context comments do nothing to support your position.
None of the teams interested in Kolb are suggesting that Kolb is a better QB than McNabb right now; they are figuring that there is a much better chance that Kolb is going to be around 3-4 years from now and that it makes more sense for their franchise to trade draft picks/players for someone who isn’t nearing the end of his playing career.
Now, I don’t care if you don’t like McNabb. I do care when you make claims like: “the GMs that keep telling us how great he is are just sugar coating it” that are completely unsupported by fact or evidence. And if you need to use made up arguments to support your position on McNabb then maybe you should step back and re-think your position.
The monster at the end of this blog.
Kolb is younger than McNabb
that is why the trade interest is there. They can build around him, Donovan would be a one year solution.
I could see McNabb going to a team like the Vikings.
Give me an offensive line or give me death!
by Generzal Zod on Mar 11, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
Donovan would be a one year solution.
He’s only 33… he’d be more than just a “one year solution” if he were to get traded somewhere. A team won’t trade for him unless they can sign him to an extension.
From the Seahawks perspective
They’ll be taking a QB. I think the Rams or Vikings would want him longer than that.
Give me an offensive line or give me death!
by Generzal Zod on Mar 11, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
It’s that teams aren’t willing to pay a high price tag the Eagles have for a 34 year QB…hence the lack of inquiring…
Don’t you get tired of finding new angles to hate on 5.
by 5 plus 10 equals 6 on Mar 11, 2010 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
I'd want Donovan to start for Seattle other than the price
I think a lot of teams aren’t willing to pay the price because the think he will be let go next year.
Give me an offensive line or give me death!
by Generzal Zod on Mar 11, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
Per Jason La Canfora on the NFL Network...
The Eagles would want a first-round pick plus something else for McNabb, and they’d want two first-round picks for Kolb.
As i've predicted
Although that price tag for Mcnabb is a bit high. A first rounder; okay, but wanting anything more added is just greedy.
by Team Serbia on Mar 11, 2010 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
Not really
It’s about value. If they’re willing to trade McNabb but not particularly inclined to do so, then they might as well set the price high. Either somebody makes an offer, in which case the Eagles get a great deal, or nobody does and they’ve still got their quarterback.
McNabb offers the Seahawks the same thing as Hasslebeck: Two years. #5 is more talented, but that team is terrible and right about the time they’d probably become just mediocre, they’d be searching for a new QB. Better to get a long-term solution in Kolb or keep the corpse of Hasslebeck around and draft a long-term solution.
by Tracer Bullet on Mar 11, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
So if someone offered just a first rounder for Mcnabb
You don’t think its worth it?
by Team Serbia on Mar 11, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
Not if they're not really interested in making a trade.
If they don’t want to move him, why settle for a fair deal?
by Tracer Bullet on Mar 11, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
Cause you lose him next year anyways?
I don’t know how credible those article were, but it did seem like Reid was the only one that wasn’t willing to part with Mcnabb. I still think that that is all political talk, and Reid trying to get the most for his client.
by Team Serbia on Mar 11, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe
But those guys answer to Reid, not the other way around. So long as Reid supports McNabb and Lurie supports Reid, McNabb isn’t going anywhere.
by Tracer Bullet on Mar 11, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
thats just opinion the eagles never said that
by ieatcrayons on Mar 11, 2010 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
really. I gotta peep that.
In Kolb we trust
by yophillybro on Mar 11, 2010 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
A fair deal
for Kolb with Seattle would be
Seattle’s 2nd round pick (40th) and a swap of first round picks Seattle’s 14th for your 24th.
That equates to two second round picks which is about right for a QB with two starts under his belt (roughly in line with the Schaub trade).
If that is the offer do you accept?
Looking at the Canfora quote they are asking for Cutler like value which is too much. It looks like you are going with all three in 2010 at this rate!
by G Fan in England on Mar 11, 2010 10:43 AM EST reply actions
No way
Kolb was picked #36 overall, has 3 years of grooming, plus exceeded all expectations in his two starts (300+ yards both games). No way does that equate to the #40 and moving up 10 spots. We see Kolb as our future franchise QB. Someone that will be really good. You don’t trade your QB for the next 8+ years. I’m pretty sure the organization has no intention of trading Kolb unless something like 2 first round picks comes up.
by Team Serbia on Mar 11, 2010 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
McNabb was picked 2nd overall, has taken us to 5 NFC championships..
Does that mean we will only trade him for the first overall pick?
we had 44-6
you had 58-14
now we want an eagles SuperBowl win in Dallas next season
by maximdim on Mar 11, 2010 11:56 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
No offence
meant Joe D.
I know you want Kolb- but If the FO was going to trade Kolb I was just suggesting one trade value.
These rumours will continue for as long as Reid continues to say McNabb is our starter. Now if he said Kolb is going nowhere then the rumours would stop – well sort of!
by G Fan in England on Mar 11, 2010 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
Nope
Not good enough. We may very well end up keeping all 3 of them this year.
If my mother put on a helmet and shoulder pads and a uniform that wasn't the same as the one I was wearing, I'd run over her if she was in my way. And I love my mother. - Bo Jackson
Really
So Kolb off 2 starts is suddenly worth more than Cassell who went 10-5.
Cassell you say was a system QB and was poor at the Chiefs – well Guys Kolb may be a product of the Eagles (ala Feeley etc) so may suck at a new team.
All unproven QB’s and Kolb is one are a risk and a team will factor that in when making an offer.
If Seattle offer you two first’s they are clueless.
by G Fan in England on Mar 11, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
That is the concern of a lot of Seattle fans now
We are not sure if the new front office is clueless or not.
Give me an offensive line or give me death!
by Generzal Zod on Mar 11, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
no one could be successful in KC with that awful o-line.
Give me an offensive line or give me death!
by Generzal Zod on Mar 11, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
Ok then
your the Seahawks what are you offering the Eagles?
by G Fan in England on Mar 11, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
Nothing
You have to understand Kolb is worth more to us then to anyone else. We won’t give him away for prolly anything less then 2 first round picks. No team is going to offer that.
I agree Team
So on that basis teams are not going to trade for Kolb and only other peanuts for McNabb and Vick so unless something strange really happens none of he three will be traded.
by G Fan in England on Mar 11, 2010 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
Valid points
But where he was picked originally has no bearing nor does his three years of grooming.
He has two starts where he performed well – so this is still a trade about potential (Schaub) rather than years of performance (Cutler).
You will be unwise to trade Kolb if he is your future and I cannot see any takers for McNabb and Vick. So you will have all three for 2010 which can only spell trouble.
by G Fan in England on Mar 11, 2010 10:54 AM EST reply actions
Well I don't believe it will be much trouble
Kolb is a good guy, and while expressing a desire to start, he has stated that he understands that Mcnabb is the guy and that he is willing to wait for his time (since he doesn’t want to leave Philly). Mcnabb will get one last shot, and barring a 4500+ yard, 40 td superbowl season, he will not be resigned. Eagles have shown a knack for letting their aging, respected vets finish out their contract and let them go.
Vick, whatever people say, will be traded. At least thats the way I think. But he can’t cause trouble because he knows it will tarnish his very delicate rebuilt persona.
by Team Serbia on Mar 11, 2010 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
if mcnabb gets another shot
i seriously hope he retires out of nowhere, or gets a DUI.. anything to get him off the field. hell another torn ACl wouldnt hurt either. just the thought of his fat face throwing 3 shit passes for another quick 3 and out drives me nuts.
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Reminds me of a letter sent into to Inquirer's Gonzo
Dear Lord, In the past year you have taken my favorite actor, Patrick Swayze; my favorite actress, Farrah Fawcett; my favorite musician, Michael Jackson; and my favorite sportscaster, Harry Kalas. I just wanted to let you know that my favorite quarterback is Donovan McNabb.
Amen.
Jesus what has Donovan done that is so awful?
I really don’t get the hate some of the Philly fans have for him. He is not great but he’s really good.
Give me an offensive line or give me death!
by Generzal Zod on Mar 11, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
We will probably win the Super Bowl with Donovan this year. That's how things
work out. The faithless and the quitters fall off even when they have a winner. I bet all of these McNabb haters will be front row at the parade.
ignorance
thinking McNabb is not the best QB for the team does not mean that you are not an eagles fan. mcnabb fan does not mean eagles fan and eagles fan does not mean mcnabb fan.
Ok, What do you do when McNabb lifts up the MVP trophy
3 touchdowns and 300 yards passing? You gonna root for him Mr. Eagle fan? You’ll probably boo him.
i've never booed mcnabb
i call him out when he throws dirt balls, but I don’t go around booing him. and I dont’ live in fantasy land, and mcnabb hasn’t lifted up the MVP trophy, so it’s not of concern right now.
What are you gonna do when Kolb lifts up the MVP trophy? 5 touchdowns and 400 yards passing in the super bowl? You gonna root for him, Mr. Eagle fan? you’d probably boo him.
i still don’t get how you think that not thinking mcnabb is right for the team means that you don’t like the eagles. could you explain that logic?
Because there was no consistent success in the last 10 years
that in some way wasn’t a direct result of McNabb’s play. ARE WE WATCHING THE SAME TEAM HERE? Or do we need to discuss the definition of logic?
so if I hypothetically think McNabb is past his prime, and Kolb would give us a better shot at winning, I am somehow no longer a fan of the eagles because I dont think McNabb is right for the team. Lets spell that one out.
Given: McNabb has been great for 10 years, but may be past his prime.
Eagles fans cheer for the eagles.
Basically, this is your logic:
If you don’t think McNabb is right for the team anymore and believe other QBs are more suited to win in this system, then you don’t like the eagles.
not logical.
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are you gunning for a worst philly sports fan award or something, because I don’t think they hand those out
by ZorkNemesis on Mar 11, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
You Sir, Is a Flaming RACIST.
It’s written allover you. I ish you die somewhere…..Now how do you like that?
come on man
don’t stoop to elmo’s level.
by alcatraz0109 on Mar 11, 2010 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
Will Kolb
wait two seasons or three seasons – he might not mind if he is getting paid top money.
Has Kolb been told he will have the keys in 2011? How will McNabb react knowing this is has last year?
Will Vick be happy just playing the odd wildcat snap – yes given the money he will make – but those are snaps taken from McNabb who has previously commented the wildcat upsets his flow.
by G Fan in England on Mar 11, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
Well its been said that the FO is willing to make Kolb the guy
and that Reid wants to give Mcnabb one more year. If Mcnabb fails to win a superbowl again, he won’t be resigned. This past year we were demonlished with injuries so maybe one last shot is warranted. I personally hope we trade Mcnabb and get some value for him.
But like I said, barring some superman season by Mcnabb, he will be gone in 2011, and none other than Kolb will take the throne. And I think the “wild eagle” grew on everyone towards the end of the season. Vick won’t have any leverage to do anything other than potentially say “i wish i was on a starter”. Who would touch again him if he blew that issue up? Note tho, this is all assuming Mcnabb doesn’t get traded this offseason.
by Team Serbia on Mar 11, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
Will Reid
let him go that easily?
What happens it the team is planning another two years from McNabb and will groom someone else for 2012?
by G Fan in England on Mar 11, 2010 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
Reid is a business man first
I think he just firmly believes Mcnabb can lead us next year. If the team was planning on another two years from Mcnabb, they would have given him an extension rather than just a raise a year or so ago. Kolb was going to be the man even before his two very good starts this season. We let Runyan go (even with Oline men being Reids fetish), Dawkins, Westbrook, so the FO runs a cold, calculated business. I don’t think Reid will have an issue letting Mcnabb go for the right offer now, or after next year (again, barring some godlike season)
by Team Serbia on Mar 11, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
But why wait a season
Kolb is not going to get any better sitting on the sidelines this year.
So if you assume a dropoff in Kolb’s first year as a starter all you are doing is making this 2011 instead of 2010.
by G Fan in England on Mar 11, 2010 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
There are two possible situations here
Situation #1:
-———————-
Everything Reid is saying is all political talk and he doesn’t really mean Mcnabb is the guy. He is holding out to have the most leverage possible in a trade. In this situation, one side will ease up as free agency moves on and we will most likely be traded
Situation #2:
-———————-
Reid fully believes Mcnabb is capable of leading us to the superbowl this year. He knows the potential in Kolb and he knows Kolb is the future. But right now he wants to give one more shot at it with Mcnabb. I think its wrong to say Kolb won’t get any better. Trainers and coaches will be working with him and he’ll gain even more knowledge of the system and the game. It’d be fair to say that he won’t get any worse. In this situation, Reid believes holding Kolb back one more year is worth the potential Superbowl we have with Mcnabb.
Note: I strongly believe Kolb will be a very good QB, I just believe it is unrealistic to assume SB in the first year he starts.
by Team Serbia on Mar 11, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
In reply
Kolb will only get better with playing time and seeing what defences throw at him. If he has not learnt the system in 3 years another year is not going to help. He has shown he is ready to start.
All we can really say is that in 12 months all will be clear one way or another!
by G Fan in England on Mar 11, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
I think that Kolb will be a RFA after this season. So they could give him a first-round tender and if I understand it right they’d have the right to match any offer. They could franchise him if they wanted to after that or instead of that.
So, if they want Kolb in 2011, they’ve got a great shot at keeping him even if he’s kind of hanging around unhappily as a backup here this year.
The question is are they willing to risk losing McNabb for nothing. Maybe they think the possible reward of taking “one last shot” with him is worth that risk.
Does anyone think there would be THAT much of a drop off between mcnabb and kolb?
I don’t. McNabb th rew great against bad teams — so did Kolb. mcnabb is just too inconsistent and on the decline. I just dont see the drop off. If andy wouldnt take a 1st for mcnabb than I take back all the high praise Ive had for him
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There is no reason to trade Kolb. He is a restricted free agent at the end of this year…at minimum we will get a 1st and a 3rd if this situation isn’t worked out.
Yup
Kolb’s not going anywhere unless some team massively overpays for him in a trade.
If my mother put on a helmet and shoulder pads and a uniform that wasn't the same as the one I was wearing, I'd run over her if she was in my way. And I love my mother. - Bo Jackson
You Guys are Missing it. Andy is sowing the message that whomever is traded
the team better get ready to pay “massively”. (For McNabb, Vick or Kolb)
Not at all
We’re saying the same thing. He’s sending the message that any of the 3 is available for the right price. Why would he say anything else? As for Kolb, I’m guessing Reid sets a high value on a young QB who’s been developing in his system for several years and could be ready to step in and start if McNabb goes down. Any trading partner will have to pay Reid’s value if they want to pry him away. I’m also guessing Reid values Kolb at a price that is higher than another team is likely to want to pay. But if somebody wants to put a big fat offer on the table then hey, go for it.
If my mother put on a helmet and shoulder pads and a uniform that wasn't the same as the one I was wearing, I'd run over her if she was in my way. And I love my mother. - Bo Jackson
Absolutely.
If you’re a team in need of a QB, and you’re thinking about drafting one in the 1st round, would you rather have a guy like Kevin Kolb, a 3-year vet that’s only 25 and has been brought along carefully by a great organization, who also happens to have 2 NFL starts under his belt in which he played well… or a totally untested player with a nice upside that you’ll have to back up the Brinks truck to sign in… say… Jimmy Clausen?
I’d have to imagine a lot of teams out there would rather have Kolb. But if I’m the Eagles, I’m not so sure a 1 would be enough.
I agree,
I just thought of that. Kolb makes more sense than Clausen. You don’t necessarily need to lose games, because Kolb is groomed and ready to play. He is easily worth a first. Doesn’t Seattle have 2 first rounders?
In Kolb we trust
by yophillybro on Mar 11, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
they also know that this is Kolb's last year on his contract
the two first round picks is high for someone they could pick up next year. If Kolb stays let him come to us next year behind a newly built o-line that Hasselback (in his last year also) breaks in. It worked for Matt Schaub.
The interest is there but the price is too high.
Give me an offensive line or give me death!
by Generzal Zod on Mar 11, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
They can’t pick him up as a free agent next year. He’ll be a restricted free agent. The Eagles can tender him and match any offer. If they trade him, the team that gets him will have the same options to lock him up.
If my mother put on a helmet and shoulder pads and a uniform that wasn't the same as the one I was wearing, I'd run over her if she was in my way. And I love my mother. - Bo Jackson
I don't see Donovan getting another extension
Give me an offensive line or give me death!
by Generzal Zod on Mar 11, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
Kolb
will want a new contract after 2010 if not before (ala Cassell).
Unless his new team is running the same plays as the Eagles Kolb will have to learn a new system so his 3 years with the Eagles may count for nothing.
But I agree Kolb’s value is the highest of your 3 QB’s.
by G Fan in England on Mar 11, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
Count for nothing?
Please. It’s all WCO.
And Kolb will have no leverage to sit out demanding a new contract. He’ll be a RFA who started 2 whole games, one of them against Kansas City (sorry Chiefs fans).
If my mother put on a helmet and shoulder pads and a uniform that wasn't the same as the one I was wearing, I'd run over her if she was in my way. And I love my mother. - Bo Jackson
I Told You Guys and You've Been Beating Me Up!
Kolb is the best trade bait between the 3. You can get more for him even though he hasn’t done squat even compared to Vick!
he hasn’t played squat compared to vick. first QB in NFL history to throw for over 300 yards in his first two starts. I’d say given he has only two starts, he has an impressive resume.
And so did Bobby Hoying light it up after Randall. He's gotta do it for a season. (Maybe if McNabb
were to get hurt and Kolb shows through 5 or 6 games consistency we need.)
that is ridiculous. he performed well in 100% of his starts. That’s all he can do. If the coaches are impressed with him and see him every day in practice, and he did better than any QB in NFL history in his first two starts, why would we trade him? We’d just need to use a pick we got for him to draft the next successor to McNabb. That QB will not have had many starts when McNabb retires unless McNabb gets hurt. You have to have faith in what your coaches see. You don’t necessarily know what you have in the future.
Ok, I hear you. But be real. Kolb started 2 games. One was against a high school
That KC argument is old
He did what a good QB was suppose to do, he killed them. If we’re going to use that argument, then Mcnabb lost to a Peewee team in the Raiders.
I love that argument too... Just for fun, let me nitpick a QB like... Drew Brees...
Let’s look at his regular season performance…
- OK, so he lost to the Cowboys, Buccaneers and Panthers, so there’s 3 bad games.
- He beat the Lions, Bills, Rams, Buccaneers, Redskins, Dolphins, Giants, the Falcons twice, and the Panthers. All non-playoff teams – We can throw out those 10 games.
- Against the Jets, he only threw for 190 yards and no TD’s. Let’s throw that one out.
- He had a good game against the Eagles, but our defense wasn’t really good this year. Throw that one out.
So that just leaves the Patriots, which, like the Eagles, didn’t have a good D this year. So maybe we should throw that one out too.
16 games, not an impressive one in the bunch.
by JimmyK on Mar 11, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
That was funny when they were doing that...
Give me an offensive line or give me death!
by Generzal Zod on Mar 11, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
and anyone can look like a Pro against the Chiefs
and anyone can look bad in a game travelling across the country.
Give me an offensive line or give me death!
by Generzal Zod on Mar 11, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
pick machine?
he threw 2 picks in the last 2 minutes and one the rest of the game. the defense lost that game as much as the offense. oh i know, it was his fault he threw an INT to start the second half. that was the straw that broke the camel’s back, but it wasn’t hobb’s fault he fumbled the opening kick, or the D’s fault for allowing 41 (and never holding them to a FG after turnovers)
Part of Me Wants McNabb Traded
so I can watch you guys send the stock of crow manufacturer’s through the roof. Kolb will suck and you will miserable watching McNabb highlights. Want some hot sauce with that crow? Yeah trade McNabb and start an unknown. Makes complete sense to me and EB.
in all likelihood, kolb is the QB in 2011. he’s going to likely still be largely an unknown then. why, if mcnabb’s days are numbered here, should we keep him instead of getting value for him?
I don't have a problem with Kolb starting in 2011 if he earns it. I just ain't trading
McNabb now unless a team blows my doors off for him. I would trade Kolb for a 2nd round pick in a New York second. But if not, he can stay on the pine another year. AND if McNabb gets hurt? We get a chance to see Kolb more before we jump on his bandwagon so soon. It’s too early to give the keys to Kolb. We don’t have anything to lose sticking with McNabb. You know that McNabb is injury prone and Kolb would probably get a shot anyway. But I would trade Kolb now because Vick can start and is a better known quantity.
I don't see Seattle trading for him then
with our needs on each of the line and QB there would be a riot if we don’t use 6, 14, and 40.
Give me an offensive line or give me death!
Especially not if the Redskins take Okung or Bulaga.
Give me an offensive line or give me death!
by Generzal Zod on Mar 11, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
If anything happens it will be on draft day around pick 5
if the Rams take Bradford and the Redskins take Clausen.
Give me an offensive line or give me death!
by Generzal Zod on Mar 11, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, not interested
McNabb is the guy they should be focusing on trading…not that they aren’t, but I’d like to parlay Mcnabb’s trade into starting defensive talent today.
I get worried when I hear Kolb’s name in trade talks.
I'd call the Vikings up
It’s the best place for him to go
Give me an offensive line or give me death!
by Generzal Zod on Mar 11, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
The Seahawks said they won’t make a move for McNabb because he’s in the last year of his contract and so is Hasselbeck…but isn’t Kolb in his last year too?
Chase Utley is so good that on one pitch he stole second, third and the shortstop's hat.
Ba-zing
Make a pact with Kolb. Take a 1st and 3rd for Kolb. Pay for Kolbs accommodations in Seattle for a year, and then promise him a lucrative deal as the starter in 2011. Its perfect!
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Give me an offensive line or give me death!
by Generzal Zod on Mar 11, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
Stupid keyboard - is an RFA next year
I think that may qualify as tampering of the worst kind.
Give me an offensive line or give me death!
by Generzal Zod on Mar 11, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
McNabb And Kolb both staying in Philly
McNabb is retiring to the TV booth after next season and Kolb will take over. McNabb has already informed the Eagles. Thats why there is no trade movement with those two. Other teams don’t want Vick.
phewwwww!
thank god you showed up with this nugget! you should call ESPN so they can stop playing out all of these trade scenarios!
If you dont like Big Red, then F#%@ You!
-Ricky Bobby
by GreenInBaltimore on Mar 11, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
This is why the Eagles will never get any kind of trade done for McNabb
They are demanding nothing less than a 1st rounder. There is no team right now who is willing to give up a 1st round pick for a 33-year-old quarterback. It’s just not happening.
Um, so two starts equals proof Kolb is that good?
If he’s so great, why has the Eagles’ FO taken three years to figure out how to get rid of McNabb?
Not knocking McNabb, I love him (even as a Seahawks’ fan) but if the guy hasn’t produced a serious playoff run in years – with all these weapons – you’d think the Eagles would get what they can and move on. Especially with all the controversy he seems to generate within your fanbase (from what it looks like on the outside, no offence!).
If he’s so great, why has the Eagles’ FO taken three years to figure out how to get rid of McNabb?
that’s like saying ‘why didn’t the packers let go of brett favre earlier if he is so good". Favre was GB’s franchise QB, McNabb is ours. Rodgers was the successor, Kolb will be the successor. Just because McNabb is still here does not mean that Kolb is not good.
also, if in two starts he plays extremely well (and these are his only two starts), should we assume that he’s bad or something? I know…we need more evidence before deciding! except this evidence only comes if McNabb gets hurt or leaves. Hopefully he doesn’t get hurt, and that means the only way to give kolb more starts is mcnabb’s departure.
I guess what I'm saying is that there's a contradiction on this thread
You guys are saying that Kolb is worth two first round picks, which pretty much makes him equivalent to the most expensive trade ever, and yet he can’t beat out an incumbent QB who has been in Philly with a genius OC and a plethora of weapons and yet only gets to the Superbowl once?
I’m not saying Kolb is bad, I just don’t understand how you can value him so highly and yet think he’s not worth starting over McNabb.
a lot do think he is worth starting over mcnabb. and as team serbia has said several times, kolb has more value to us than anyone else. We dont’ want to trade him because he is the apparent future after mcnabb leaves. if someone offers us 2 first rounders, then the eagles might do it because that’s a hell of a lot of value, but that doesn’t mean they want to trade him.
Kolb has grown up three years in this system, with these players and coaches. When he started, he clearly knew what he was doing and functioned well. We want that for the next 8-10 years, so we would set the price obnoxiously high if someone wanted to trade for him.
Still doesn't make sense to me.
If you’re a team that is absolutely certain a QB is franchise worthy, and you’ve put three years into him, two firsts is definitely not worth it.
That said, of course there’s some salesmanship going on here. I just don’t see how the Seahawks would be dumb enough to hand over two first round picks for a third round pick that played well with great weapons and a friendly offense against two lousy teams.
Cassel and a linebacker only netted a 2nd… and that was after he went 10-5.
Career completion percentage
I think some dude on ESPN (Sal Pal?) pointed out that McNabb’s career completion percentage is only 59%. That’s not good enough anymore! Going with Kolb is rolling the dice but sometimes you have to.
2 first rounders?
For Sir-Picks-A-Lot? If they got ONE first rounder for Kolb it would be amazing. He’s not worth a 1…some might say he’s not worth a two. But Seattle’s 14th for Kolb? Sign me up!
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
alot of people think
they won’t let go of kolb without their #6 and #14 pick.
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
It’s too bad if the Hawks wont consider McNabb. I’d love to swap the #14 (or #6 if we really have to) for the Eagles 1st round pick + McNabb, then use the Eagles pick to trade for Brandon Marshall (Denver is saying they won’t take less than a 1st). That would still leave us the picks to get a top LT (Charles Brown at #14 would be good value and a great fit foru our zone blocking scheme) and a RB at #40. With just 3 picks we’d have a great chance at landing 4 players that would make our offense a top 10 next year. I’d only do this if McNabb would sign an extension though.
Considering how weak the West will be next year with Warner gone, this could put us right back on top for the next couple of years. With 3 large targets in Marshall (6’4"), Houshmandzadeh (6’2") and TE Carlson (6’5), McNabb would likely have the best receiving core he’s ever had.
I wonder if the Eagles are driving up the price for any team in the NFC, to avoid facing him in the playoffs.
by Mind of no mind on Mar 11, 2010 10:23 PM EST reply actions
it took me forever to understand what you were saying here.
especially about the marshall housh and carlson part.. then i realized you’re a seattle fan, and you’re telling it from their point of view..
The Eagles WILL redeem themselves in the '10-'11 season, with a win at SuperBowl 45 in Dallas!
Haha.
I’m a Seahawk fan, I know exactly what he’s saying.
What do you Eagle fans figure is bare minimum value for McNabb? Objectively, please.
Sorry!
I probably should have opened with that information.
by Mind of no mind on Mar 12, 2010 1:07 AM EST up reply actions
nobody in their right mind
would want mcmoron on their team… he’s a complete idiot and carries a huge price tag… the eagles are stuck with him… that said if kolb could bring two first round picks, the eagles would have to take the deal…. then find another qb for the future!!! but as long as mcidiot is around they are toast… three and out… three and out… three and out… three and out… three and out…
by Elmo the faithful fan on Mar 12, 2010 3:52 PM EST reply actions
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