With the 65th pick of the 2010 NFL draft...
by dt3 on Feb 8, 2010 4:07 PM EST
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With the first pick of the third round, the65th overall Pick in the 2010 NFL Draft the Philadelphia Eagles select Tim Tebow, Quarterback, University of Florida. The eagles acquired this pick (and a 2011 conditional pick) by trading quarterback, Michael Vick, to the St. Louis Rams.
There are 2 reasons i think/want this to happen...
1) Lets face it... we would be getting him for nothing. We gave up nothing but a roster spot to sign Vick and since we are playing with house money anyways we might as well do something crazy.
2) The whole story works out too perfectly for it not to happen
I am personally very high on Klob and never expect Tebow to become our starting QB but even if all he does is limited work in h-back/redzone/wildcat type formations I think he could provide good value for what we are giving up (nothing).
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While we don't lose anything by drafting Tebow
I think we have more to gain by drafting in a position of greater need (LB, DE, O-Line, Safety).
Plus, I think he’ll be gone before that
"Now Sav Rocca played for the Magpies in Australia. I don't know if it's a bird or a pie or what it is." Ike Reese
I AGREE WITH YOU BADASSADOR!
Nothing to lose? Ya, only the first pick in the third round were Andy Reid and the Eagles have found MORE starters than ANY other round… U DEF. DESERVE A "C"MON MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
you gotta stop yelling dude...
gonna hurt the v-chords…
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Feb 9, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
I have nothing against Tebow, but I just don’t think he’ll last to the point where he’d be a good value… if that makes any sense as I explain it.
That actually makes perfect sense
someone will draft him higher than he deserves to be because he’s a “winner” or for name recognition or what have you
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
Disagree
You are not playing with house money in the third round of the draft. In the old days when the draft lasted 12 rounds, from round 8 on you could afford a throwaway, but it’s telling that kickers and punters were almost always picked in the 12th, even by teams that needed them.
Besides, how does it look to Kolb if they say “you’re the starter, but the rookie goes in when were in the red zone”? Like saying “we trust you, but we don’t really trust you.”
So many people act as if Tebow has no chance of being a QB in the NFL
Cody Benjamin
www.bleedgreenforever.wordpress.com
Because he doesn’t! :P
RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
Kurt Warner: HOF Class of 2015
by Imp on Feb 8, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
i disagree
i think Tebow is a HUGE risk for whoever takes him, but to say he has no chance of making it is ridiculous. He’s got a similar make-up of a Steve Young and has been criticized of much of the same things as Vince Young. I personally think he’ll make a good QB, but I wouldn’t bet much on it.
Not really
He may have a similar makeup, but Steve Young + Vince Young at least had good throwing motions coming out of college. Tebow’s is awful. Awful. And the problems with it were exposed in the Senior Bowl.
It is within the realm of possibility that he’s going to be a serviceable NFL QB, someday. But if you’re going to do that, you have to prepare to leave this guy on the bench for 4-5 years, completely strip down everything he knows about QB play, and rebuild him from the ground up. And it’s difficult to impossible to justify spending a pick anywhere in the first half of the draft on that type of risk.
Did you really just compare Tebow to Steve Young?
Or was it the two lunesta and three six-packs of Busch Pounders that I just popped?
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
Well the drugs and booze probably helped
But I wasn’t really saying I think those two are similar, just their attitude. Vince is the better comparison as QB because of the awkward throwing motion and inability to take snaps from under center.
tom brady (6th rounder) and tony romo (undrafted) are doing just fine in the league. you never know when you have a diamond in the rough.
And who is the last QB that won a heisman recently that was actually successful in the NFL? (Bradford should be the first to have a chance)
2002
carson palmer…
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Feb 9, 2010 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
im not gonna argue w/ ya
i was merely answering the question for you…
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Feb 9, 2010 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
wow you are a douche you always criticize people
eff you we winning anyway
A.I. IS BACKKKKKKK
by eagleswin on Feb 8, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Post something of merit
No way. When there is a good post, I love to comment and always give a recommendation. RyanGiggs posts have been good on special teams and I liked the Vick post this week.
Name one thing that this guy added about why the Eagles should take Tebow or what will make Tebow succeed/fail in the NFL? You won’t find any.
Insults from you don’t mean much because you are generally one of the weaker posters on here anyways. Liked the slow kid calling say ‘you smell.’
People can write what they say
You think you are so good don’t you. You are not better than anyone here. This poster is much better than you and your articles aren’t interesting they are misc.
eff you we winning anyway
A.I. IS BACKKKKKKK
Some good, some bad
Some of my stuff is better than other stuff. There are plenty of decent posters on here but it seems like you get
Personally, I have a bent for stuff that has a point and brings a bit of insight/stats to the table besides “XXX sucks” or “This guy rules” crap.
If he had added why he thought Tebow would be a good besides “2) The whole story works out too perfectly for it not to happen” then it would have been a decent post.
Seriously if somebody said to you “Tebow is a great QB and the Eagles should draft him” but didn’t add any more than that would you think that person brought much to the discussion or conversation? Doubt it.
I don't agree with him but I respect his opinion unlike you
MG77 = FAIL
eff you we winning anyway
A.I. IS BACKKKKKKK
By your logic
You respect his opinion even though you don’t understand his basis for it or why he is stating it?
How can you have a legit conversation about something if you have no idea why they are saying what they are saying?
bottom line
you’re gonna run your self wild if you battle against every poster who just makes a comment w/o leaving their reasons why…there’s no need…leave em be…
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Feb 10, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
So you enjoy arguing and acting like a prick?
Sounds like a person with no life to me
eff you we winning anyway
A.I. IS BACKKKKKKK
or a lawyer
is at peace with the fact that i am a DICK.... i am good at it.... it is what i do.... it defines who i am.... will i be hated?? most definitely... do i care?? hell no...
yo bud.. Some of the best things are very broad...
… And sometimes the most interesting shit isnt the specific stuff but the broad stuff that gets us going, because then we start debating and having fun..
You just seem to come on here and be a dick. At least JIBTA will say something besides “this post=fail” which in itself just shows your nothing less than scum… And unlike JIBTA you just seem to come on here to start fights and insult people.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
the reply was to something MG77 wrote. Also, MG77 has a point…think of a different example.
A cowboy fan comes on here and says Tony Romo is way better than McNabb
You say, no way, McNabb is way better.
Neither of you has presented any data or basis for your claims, so it’s really just a baseless opinion. Without actually analyzing a situation, not much is generally being brought to the table in terms of starting a meaningful conversation.
Yea Brah, but MG77 shouldn't be so mean he should at least state why he doesn't like the post instead of going Post = Fail
eff you we winning anyway
A.I. IS BACKKKKKKK
Tebow is trouble...
maybe not himself as a person, but his followers and media coverage might get kinda crazy. I know we took the bullet by bringing in Vick, but he didn’t have a huge fan base screaming to see him. Tim will always be a “is he a starter” type story with a large fan base wondering the same.
We think the speculation on Kolb is bad… just wait for Tebow.
this is a little troubling
So this Mike Vick thing was just a way to be able to trade him and take Tim Tebow in the second round. I don’t know that a move like this would help the current situation one bit and chances are, Tebow doesn’t make the grade…..now if you say a 2 and a 6 for Vick, I’ll would still have a problem taking tebow in the 6th
I heart Dawkins
i’ll ask again… how deep into the third round are picks actually 2nd rounders??
So this Mike Vick thing was just a way to be able to trade him and take Tim Tebow
maybe not for tebow in particular but if the point of picking up vick wasnt to “buy low, sell high” what was it. To develop him into our starter?? Wouldnt that be even more troubling.
VOID!!!
thats essentially a second round pick
for a qb with a loooooooongshot at ever being decent. no thank you. Ill take him if hes around in the 5th
For nothing?
We’d be spending a 2nd round pick that could be used on a guy expected to start! Hardly “nothing.”
by JasonB on Feb 8, 2010 6:41 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Well
I’m not one of the people screaming that Tebow is a worthless piece of trash and has bad breath or something.
That being said, I am in the camp that thinks he’ll never make it as a QB in the NFL.
Frankly, as has been said, the Eagles have much more pressing needs.
I have not run into anybody who can explain to me why it would be worth it to the Eagles to take him any higher than the sixth round.
Veritas Liberabit Te
FWIW
Here’s a scouting report from Jacksonville OL Uche Nwaneri:
“5. He cant throw. PERIOD.
“4. He cant read any coverage other than probably cover 2 or man cov. PERIOD (the only cov. in college lol).
“3. the QB wildcat WILL NOT WORK IN THIS LEAGUE. PERIOD.
“2. He doesnt know how to take a snap from center, nor is he even comfortable enough to.
“1. HE CANT THROW. and thats really something you either have or not, never seen a qb who couldnt ever throw, just all of a sudden be able to throw just because hes now in the NFL.”
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/02/03/jaguars-lineman-unloads-on-tebow/
so i’m gonna say it’s a good thing tebow has god on his side, because he’s gonna need it if he wants a career in the nfl.
I make a post 3 weeks ago asking who Uche Nwaneri is and I would have gotten more answers guessing the girlfriend from avatar than on OL from the jaguars. Now all of the sudden he makes some internet ramblings and he is not only an NFL talent scout but an offensive mastermind as well. This guy has played 25 games his whole career and he knows what works and what doesnt?? Who can play and who cant??
As far as the wildcat not working in this league… I am sure the same was said 2 years into the shotgun formation, the WCO, the cover2. Coaches are figuring out on the fly how the wildcat works and what it takes to be successful with it. College football is just now developing the the type of athletes (tebow, pat white) that can excel in this type of system. I am not saying either way whether the wildcat is here to stay.. but i am going to need alot more than some 3rd year players opinion to make my decision.
VOID!!!
Wildcats
My impression is that in most cases, the wildcat gets used as an occasional move or a trick play, and not as a consistent offensive weapon. Miami is the single team that has used it the most, but I haven’t been watching their games to know in detail how it works with them. College has a greater variety of offense types and formations, I suspect because some things are seen as “not going to work against NFL defenses”.
A third, high one at that, for Tebow is not giving up nothing.
Why would we trade a relatively high pick for a project QB(and I’m being generous with that description) when #1, we already are loaded at QB(hopefully that changes…*cough*McNabb*cough*vick) #2 there is still GOOD talent in the third, and #3 there are waaaaaaaay more pressing needs than a QB who can’t take a snap under center and is about as accurate as a drunk trying to keep his piss off the floor.
I dont know what it is about your face,
[holds up fist]
but I just wanna deliver one of these right in your suck hole.
Agree completely
Tebow is a giant project, if that. with all the needs we have on the both sides of the ball, a 3rd round pick is way to much. This draft seems to be very deep with serviceable talent and I’d say doing something like this before the late 5th round would only serve to hurts us. But since we are waiting til the 5th round and Tebow will be long gone by then, how about Mike Kafka from Northwestern? He is also a little bit of a project, but I think his mechanics and drive are enough for him to really prosper in this league. I watched him a few times this year and came away impressed each time, even when his team got their asses handed to them. See if you can find some footage and tell me what you think.
"You know...I think you got the wrong impression about me. I think in all fairness, I should explain to you exactly what it is that I do. For instance, tomorrow morning I'll get up nice and early, and take a walk down over to the bank, walk in and see ya, and uh. If you don't have my money for me, I'll...crack your fuckin head wide open in front of everybody in the bank. And just about the time that I'm coming out of jail...Hopefully you'll be coming out of your coma, and guess what? I'll split your fuckin head open again! Cause I'm fuckin stupid! I don't give a fuck about jail. That's my business. That's what I do." - Joe Pesci in Casino
4+ years of a good player at a need position >>>> Tebow
by JasonB on Feb 9, 2010 12:40 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It's not a wildcat
when there is a QB in the QB spot. That is called the shotgun formation
"You know...I think you got the wrong impression about me. I think in all fairness, I should explain to you exactly what it is that I do. For instance, tomorrow morning I'll get up nice and early, and take a walk down over to the bank, walk in and see ya, and uh. If you don't have my money for me, I'll...crack your fuckin head wide open in front of everybody in the bank. And just about the time that I'm coming out of jail...Hopefully you'll be coming out of your coma, and guess what? I'll split your fuckin head open again! Cause I'm fuckin stupid! I don't give a fuck about jail. That's my business. That's what I do." - Joe Pesci in Casino
by Talon Talent on Feb 9, 2010 12:55 AM EST up reply actions
THANK YOU!!
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Feb 9, 2010 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
Thats completely wrong
All wildcat means is bringing a 6th lineman to the line. Its designed to be a running play, but has developed into a passing risk if you put someone capable enough to throw.
in a normal formation
if the TE blocks, he’s essentially a 6th lineman….although eligible…you don’t consider that wildcat. unless he’s eligible and im wrong there.
to call it wildcat when a qb is back there is a bit much, wether its regarded as a running formation or not. it’s really only wc for us if mccoy/west/desean/maclin are receiving the ball in shotgun. i know they call it wc for other teams when a more agile qb is in too, but in the traditional sense it’s misleading.
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Feb 9, 2010 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
No but thats exactly what wildcat is
Bringing in a 6th O-lineman. A tight end is a tight end, but with an extra O-lineman in there, you can run block better and open bigging holes. Wildcat is a running play where you just take out the middle man (the QB) from handing the ball of to the RB and snap it directly to the RB, or whose ever running. Your basically subbing in an olineman for the guy the QB who would normally take the snap.
Just because Michael Vick can throw doesn’t not make it wildcat.
it's not
just a running play though, if it were defenses would just stack the line and leave wr’s uncovered. the threat of the pass has to be there…the wildcat is a “formation”…i get the whole lineman for blocking, but i still don’t think it’s properly called wildcat when an actual qb is in there…it’s just your “big” formation…similiar to a goal line formation or double te set, w/o being eligible. (if the lineman isnt)
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Feb 9, 2010 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
Even if your description of a wildcat formation is right
And for some reason you can run it with an actual QB, the announcers still call every snap Vick takes a wildcat even when its obviously just a basic shotgun formation because Celek is still in there stomping faces.
" AK 47! When you absolutely, positively have to kill every muthafucka in the room! Except no substitute." Samuel L Jackson- Jackie Brown
"You know what you should do United Nations? You should sanction me. Sanctiom me with your army! Oh, wait a minute! You ain't got an army! Guess that means you need to shut the fuck up! That's what I would do if I didn't have an army. I would shut the fuck up! Shut...The...Fuck...Up!!!" Black Bush
You're not listening
All wildcat means is bringing in a 6th lineman, and having a direct snap to a player. Thats it! Nothing fancy. That is what the wildcat is. It doesn’t matter who the ball is snapped to. Vick isn’t even a prototypical QB anyways.
obviously..
i am listening….i understand the concept…just think it’s dumb that we call the wildcat formation, when we have a qb receiving the snap…it doesnt matter if he was ryan leaf, his position is qb.
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Feb 10, 2010 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
I know
and I’m not trying to be rude haha i’m just trying to say, Wildcat has less to do with whos receiving the snap and more to do with bringing a 6th lineman in.
wow...
I can’t believe how many people are doubting tim tebow. The guy has 2 national titles at florida. He is a winner and a leader, plain and simple. His intangibles are what make him interesting. Also, someone should ask cinncinati’s defense if tebow can throw or not. He did put over 500 yards passing on them in that bowl game.
He didn’t do anything to win the first 1, so to me he has 1. Yes hes a leader but his throwing abilities are very suspect. I saw Cinncinati play in person this year, their defense really isn’t that great in general. It’s more the Big East teams were just very weak overall.
by Ant on Feb 9, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
The guy doesn't know how to throw a football
He was completely lost taking snaps from center at the Senior Bowl. If he’s going to be any good, you’d have to completely strip everything he knows about football and start from scratch.
this is just a bunch of b.s.
How could he be a starting quarterback for an SEC powerhouse and won a championship when he does not know how to throw a football??? Give me a break, of course he knows how to throw a football, get real here, maybe his motion is not the greatest, but come on, you gotta give me more than he does not know how to throw a football, because clearly he does.
He knew how to throw a ball in college. Its a whole lot different in the pros, ask Tim Couch. The ball needs to come out faster, and with his motion, that isnt going to happen.
Plus, he only won all those games because a) the Gators dont leave the South to play teams, so half their schedule is BS every year, and b) the team AROUND him was pretty damn good.
Couple all those things with the fact that Floridas staple play, the dive, wont ever work in the pros. If teams dont have to worry about Tim running, he loses half his value.
by philiafan14364 on Feb 9, 2010 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
Seeing as how he cant THROW the football (or take a snap), he wont be a very good professional football player.
He could be friggin Eisenhower in the European chapter and his leadership wouldnt make a bit difference if hes not on the field. If your the 3rd string QB, your not going to be a leader.
by philiafan14364 on Feb 9, 2010 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
right..
He split half the snaps with chris leak to win the first championship, he impacted that game, half the snaps will do that. It does not matter how bad a defense is, not just any quarterback throws for 500 yards in a bowl game. I just think people are underrating his football iq that’s all.
lolz
We aint getting the 65th pick for Vick. Maybe the 165th pick. Not that that will change your senario because Tebow will still be around at 165 because everyone knows hes not gonna cut it in the NFL.
I am still laughing.
And, mind you, this is the fifth time I’ve read this post.
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
Everybody keeps talking about Tebow is a winner
I must point out yet again. Ken Dorsey was also a winner and so was Jason White. If you don’t have your basic QB functions, ie; taking a snap from underneath center. You are not going to be a successful NFL QB.
" AK 47! When you absolutely, positively have to kill every muthafucka in the room! Except no substitute." Samuel L Jackson- Jackie Brown
"You know what you should do United Nations? You should sanction me. Sanctiom me with your army! Oh, wait a minute! You ain't got an army! Guess that means you need to shut the fuck up! That's what I would do if I didn't have an army. I would shut the fuck up! Shut...The...Fuck...Up!!!" Black Bush
yeah but did either of them have the intangables Tebow had???
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
His "intangibles"
Are far outweighed by his “tangible” crappy arm, lack of NFL skill set and crappy throwing mechanics.
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
intangible...
his greatest intangible is his size…he’d probly be better off more as a HB/TE hybrid…not running the ball but catching it or running the wild tebow…
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Feb 10, 2010 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
Like I said before, his “intangables” will disappear when hes the third string QB. Not too many great leaders are bench warmers.
by philiafan14364 on Feb 10, 2010 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
well, if we tear him down and he works hard to build himself back up then
he’s going to be great… Not saying he’s 100% going to be a stud or that he’s a future HOFer, Im just saying that if he works hard and fixes what everyone deams “bad” about him then he’s got a substantial chance of doing some special things.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
no offense to our coaches....
but i dont think we have a qb coach capable of doing this…mcnabb would be montana by now….
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Feb 10, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
Haha, uh, that sounds like a direct shot at our coaches.
by philiafan14364 on Feb 10, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
well...
not really…not all our coaches are qb coaches….but the ones who are could do a better job and should probly be upgraded……ill withold further judgment till kolb starts of course.
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Feb 10, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
He owns all of our franchise QB records. Reid might want to take some credit for that. I’m not by any means saying they should take Tebow as a project though.
If my mother put on a helmet and shoulder pads and a uniform that wasn't the same as the one I was wearing, I'd run over her if she was in my way. And I love my mother. - Bo Jackson
by that logic
he has to take credit for all of his flaws….they already share the win records…
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Feb 10, 2010 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
Yup
All we need to do is completely reteach him how to play the position hes been playing for about 15 years, and well be #1 for sure!!
Pa-leeeeeease
by philiafan14364 on Feb 10, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
actually its more like the way he drops his arm and winds up...
the QB coach at kentucky did it to peyton manning when he was at tennessee…
He also fixed andre woodson, who threw exactly like Tebow did early on then once that QB coach came to UK, he tore him down and built him back up in 2 years…
I’d say go sign him and let him have some fun.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
Ok, I agree with this but only if we get 2 2nds.. I would love Tebow in the top of the 3rd but
If it were to happen in the 2nd I’d say fuck yeah buddy..
1) Tebow is a great leader, thats the thing that were missing is a true leader. McNabbs not a leader, Vick’s not a leader and we dont know if Kolb truely is a leader.
2) he’s a unique athlete, although he wont seem as athletic as he was in college we dont need a super athletic QB like we did in McNabbs early years. We need someone who can manage a game and lead.
3) the dude has more will power than anyone I know of. If he says he’s gonna be a good NFL QB you say “how can I help” because he’s gonna do it whether you help or not.
4) I know he has trouble with his mechanics but thats fixable.. Were not in any rush to get him into the game as the starting QB so we have 2-3 years to tear him down and build him back up… If it fails we just make him an H-back and WC QB, steep price for one of those if it happens but its a bargain if he turns out being good.
5) People really need to realize that this man will most likely take the NFL by storm, it may not be until 3-4 years from now but when he does I told you so.
BTW as a kentucky fan I hate the Florida Gators, but even I have to admit Tebows got some shit nobody else does.. His swagger will be something greatly sought after.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
Can't quite agree with you w.e.
1) Being a leader in college and in the pros are two different animals. Marques Tuiasosopo was a hell of a leader at UW and where did he go in the pros? He’s given up all hope of playing somewhere and gone to UW as an assistant strength coach.
2) Ironically I agree with you here. However, you can be a great athlete and that doesn’t mean you do well in the NFL. Vernon Gholston is a superb athlete. I rest my case.
3) Then why doesn’t he have the will power to fix his mechanics and improve at taking snaps under center? The last one especially is a basic thing – being able to take snaps only in the shotgun is like being able to kick with only one foot in soccer.
4) I think the third round is too high to draft someone you will have to “tear down and build back up.” 4th or 5th, maybe, but when you have other important needs, it’s better to take players that don’t require as much reworking. As to making him a halfback and wildcat quarterback, well – who says Tebow himself will agree to the change? As to wildcat quarterbacks, I think that they’re envisioned by fans a lot more than they’re actually used by coaches.
5) That would be great but I don’t quite see your arguments for that. Of course if it happens I’ll admit I was wrong.
As to swagger… by itself it’s meaningless. Clinton freaking Portis and JaMarcus Russell have enough swagger to drown an elephant, that doesn’t make them any good. Besides, to work hard on fixing his fundamental mechanics requires humility, which is the absolute opposite of swagger.
Well im gonna counter here:
1) Im just saying that he’s got something not many have. I’d take a risk on Tebow because at worst you get a good player at H-back or wherever you find space to him(not to mention you will find ways to get him the ball) and at best he can be a good QB(if we fix his mechanics)… Im just saying if there were anyone ever in the history of the NFL that I’d take a risk like this on it’d be tebow.
2) I think were on the same page but what I’m saying is Tebow would be a talented enough QB to win us games when we absolutely had to lean on him(once again assuming we can fix the mechanic’s) but with the supporting cast we have we need a true leader at QB and they dont need to be the best athlete we had back there… I can elaborate more if you would like, just tell me.
3) Ok, ok, didnt he go against everyone’s advice and go to the senior bowl and work on exactly that kinda stuff? He’s making an effort to learn how to take snaps from under center. Also down here in FLA, there are reports that he’s working with the UF coaches and trying to work on getting snaps from under center.. But I’d like to let you know that if you have a QB who is as talented at Tebow, you will make adjustments to your Offense if you have to in order to give yourself a chance to win, all it comes down to is whether you believe he can win games… Oh and I think everyone blows this “taking snaps from under center” outta proportion, its a big deal but its not a live or die type of thing, something like that is teachable.
4) Well when you have someone with the potential Tebow has, the will power he has and who seems to just have that ability to win (oh and dont forget he seems to ooze success) you take them in the 3rd round…
5) when you have someone who is a solid leader and who is a humble and good man and has some ora around him(swagger) then I think thats different than J russell and Portis… I dont think humility is the opposite of swagger, I think this arguement is based off perception right here and right now were not on the same page…
I am telling you, the only knock on this guy is his mechanics, those are fixable, all we need is time… He’s what we need. A true leader, and a winner, all we need him to do is be a field general, also he’s firey.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
again
You want to spend a 3rd round pick on a hit/miss QB that we have to completely rebuild when we have Kolb as our future, and huge needs on the defensive side of the ball?
by Team Serbia on Feb 12, 2010 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
I'm all for talking this out
1) How many players have been converted from QB to another position at the NFL level? I can think of 2 – Josh Cribbs and Brad Smith, and neither is a starter at his new position. I don’t know about Tebow’s blocking and catching ability (required for RB and TE) – and how is a guy who has won a major bowl game at QB going to react to being told “you should really switch over to halfback”? The number of QB’s who were great in college and fell by the wayside in the pros is much greater than the number of successful converts to other positions.
2) What you’re saying is that he has the ability to lead a team and is also a good athlete, am I right? Every single drafted QB has led a team. He might have that with a pro team, he might not, that sort of thing can’t be known in advance. It seems that you think he does based on what you’ve seen of him.
3) The question is, are you willing to invest the extra time in re-teaching him when you could, with the same pick, take a player that you don’t need to re-teach at a position where you have a greater need for new blood? For whatever it’s worth, my opinion is that Tebow has been a victim of his coaches not wanting to fix his mechanics on the basis that “eff it, we’re winning anyway”.
4) Did he ooze success in the Senior Bowl? Once you hit the next level (pros), everything goes back to zero and you start over again. I would have to watch his games to see how much of his team’s winning could be due to him, so I’m not sure I can judge on this point.
5) So you were talking about self-confidence when you said swagger? Once again, he has to have had it to get to this level, but it’s no guarantee for the next one. Think about Mark Sanchez – he started the season with a lot of confidence, then lost it with all his multi-pick games, then had to regain it at the end of the season. Where humility comes in is that the guy has to think “In spite of the fact that I had this great college career and these great stats, there are basic aspects of my quarterbacking that I need to fix to be any good in the pros” and be willing to work hard on that. What I mean by saying it’s the opposite of swagger is that a swagger guy will think “I was great in college so I’ve got it made for the pros” – sometimes a guy who thinks that way will be right (DeSean, except for the Cowboy games) and sometimes he will be wrong (Bosworth).
To sum up: my main point is #3. The rest is all uncertain hit-or-miss stuff.
Why? Why?
Would you use a relatively high draft pick to acquire a player who will not start for you for at least 2 years, is a huge question mark to succeed at QB at the NFL level, and a team that has real deficiencies on the defense side of the ball, special teams, and the question marks on the OL?
With a high 3rd round draft pick, you should be at the very least acquire a player who may start if you have weak options at a position immediately or at the very least address a secondary need. This would be a huge waste of a pick.
I agree with your sentiment MG
But the Eagles have done it before. Like when we drafted Kolb. But I agree that it just doesn’t make sense to acquire him with everything else that is needed. I don’t know if I am somehow immune to the Tebow wow factor or what, but he is not good for our system. Everybody keeps talking about, oh he will be a good wildcat QB. Fuck the Wildcat. It gained us what? a total of 120 yds this year? I’d rather do a double reverse with Jackson and McCoy in place of these wildcat formations. I mean rarely did it have any other effect then to completely slow the game down and give the fans a chance to boo Vick coming on the field. Tebow’s positives are far outweighed by the negatives. Remember each QB in the last decade that has had “great intangibles and is more of an athlete but could develop into something special” has not done much of anything. Vick- quite successful, but never consistent. Vince Young- Does actually possess a winning record, but once again, no sense of consistency. JaMarcus Russell- Buster supreme! Am I missing anybody here?
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by Talon Talent on Feb 10, 2010 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
This is a great quote...
“I mean rarely did it have any other effect then to completely slow the game down and give the fans a chance to boo Vick coming on the field.” I certainly used the opportunity to boo at the Tampa Bay game when he came in. This may be my new signature quote. The “wildcat” offense is a gimmicky scam.
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
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only way...
i would think it as acceptable to draft tebow is if we got rid of vick and kolb….not saying i want to, but just if they believed he was gonna take over after giving mcnabb an extension….also we got at minimum a first and a 3rd for kolb…also bringing back someone like feeley…
…i dont believe that he will be able to take over for mcnabb, and i would rather keep kolb then draft tebow. i can’t see both of them on the same team…
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by greenbean#twoOH on Feb 10, 2010 10:37 AM EST reply actions
I don't want Tim Tebag anywhere near the city of Philadelphia
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