3 teams ask for mcnabb CLE DEN BUF
Report: Cleveland, Denver And Buffalo Eyeing McNabb
February 8, 2010 | Last Updated: 2/8/10 12:45 AM ET | Comments (15)
To follow up on ESPN's Adam Schefter's report that "multiple teams have called Eagles to inquire about their three QBs," Schefter's colleague Sal Paolantonio discloses the identity of three teams who have had discussions with the Eagles specifically regarding Donovan McNabb - Cleveland, Denver and Buffalo.
The Browns will likely be tied to the Eagles because of Andy Reid's close relationship with new president Mike Holmgren and general manager Tom Heckert. Cleveland has Derek Anderson, a Pro Bowl quarterback in the 2007 season who has not been able to duplicate that season's performance, and Brady Quinn, a former first-round pick. The Browns were 5-11 in 2008 as Quinn led the team with 1,339 passing yards, but he threw just eight touchdowns with seven interceptions. Just to note, the Browns have the seventh overall pick in the 2010 NFL Draft.
The Broncos proved how the NFL season is a marathon and not a sprint in 2009. After a 6-0 start, the Broncos missed the playoffs with an 8-8 record. Last off-season, the Broncos traded Jay Cutler for a bevy of draft picks and quarterback Kyle Orton. Orton passed for 3,802 yards with 21 touchdowns and 12 interceptions while completing 62.1 percent of his passes in 2009. Denver had the league's 20th-ranked scoring offense in 2009. The Broncos will have either the 10th or 11th overall pick (subject to a coin flip with the Jaguars) in this year's draft.
Buffalo is interesting because the Eagles have spent the early portion of their off-season acquiring former Bills coaches in new special teams coordinator Bobby April and senior assistant/defensive backs coach Dick Jauron. Ryan Fitzpatrick and Trent Edwards split the quarterback duties for the 6-10 Bills, who ranked 28th in the league with 16.1 points per game last season. It will certainly be up to new general manager Buddy Nix and head coach Chan Gailey to chart the path for the organization. Buffalo has the ninth overall pick in the draft.
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Denver?
I’m not buying that one. No way they are already throwing the towel in on Cutler
I'd rather be an Eagles fan till the day i die and go 0-16 every year than be a cockroach cowboys fan
Cutler
is with the Bears now.
I see those teams offering their 3rd or at best their second round pick for McNabb.
by G Fan in England on Feb 8, 2010 7:43 AM EST up reply actions
You must be drunk
There’s no way the Eagles accept a 3rd round pick for McNabb.
Fine, maybe that’s all those teams will offer, but if that’s the case then McNabb will stay.
Doubtful
It’s obvious he’s not in the long term plans for the Eagles so we’re going to get at least some sort of value for him. I think we can get a 2nd , but Favre is going to have to retire in order to get his value up. BUF and CLE obviously are not going to offer a 1st rounder
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
I agree, I doubt we get a first,
but to be honest, I don’t want one. No way we keep that pick anyway. We are not gonna draft 2 first round picks. I can imagine a package of 2nd, 4th, 6th or something like that. We trade McNabb and a 7th.
It will be something like that.
In Kolb we trust
They won't offer a first
But the Eagles will not accept JUST a 3rd round pick… no matter what.
A 2nd? Maybe.
A 3rd and 5th? Maybe.
A 3rd and next years 3rd? Maybe.
But, one 3rd round draft pick for McNabb? I doubt it.
I think he’s worth at least a 2nd round pick or some package that’s equivalent to that.
Agree
Later round picks could be added, but not first day picks.
by G Fan in England on Feb 8, 2010 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
I would take a 3rd and a 5th...
this draft is very very deep so I’d take that..
Plus if we make a deal like that we have like 3 3rds, and 4 5th’s.. Thats some ammo to move picks into next year like we always do and trade up to get better talent.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
They could offer next years first
cause they’d be assuming Mcnabb would win them some games, therefore not have such a high pick.
I said
that is what those teams will offer – not what the Eagles want or accept.
If you were GM of any of those three teams with holes all over the roster are you going to give up a pick in the top 40ish for a 34 year old QB as part of your long term rebuilding?
Or perhaps looking it the other way – the Eagles are a contender for the SB they just need a QB to get them there – so would you offer your first round pick for McNabb? If you would kindly state your reasons whether they are leadership, big game ability, accuracy whatever.
by G Fan in England on Feb 8, 2010 8:57 AM EST up reply actions
If I'm the Vikings and Favre retires...
I absolutely give up my 1st round pick (30th overall) for McNabb. They have a SB-caliber team that has zero needs except quarterback. Anybody can say what they want about McNabb, but he, by far, would be the Vikings best option for next year.
Consider their options:
Donovan McNabb
Tavaris Jackson
Sage Rosenfels
John David Booty
Michael Vick
Daunte Culpepper
Randall Cunningham
Warren Moon
A rookie draft pick
You tell me who you’d rather have for next year for a team like the Vikings. They have a veteran team and probably the most talented roster in the league. Not to mention they have McNabb’s former QB Coach/Offensive Coordinator and Andy Reid’s butt buddy, Brad Childress. It’d only make sense.
They have
Jason Campbell of the Redskins who could be a FA.
by G Fan in England on Feb 8, 2010 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
Okay...
add Campbell to that list. You still wouldn’t choose McNabb as their best option?
I’ll leave this one to my man, Bye Dawk to explain.
Said below:
If the Vikes get McNabb, they give themselves a shot to win it for the next 3 seasons or so. If they settle for a 2nd rate option, whether that be in the form of Jason Campbell, a rookie, Tavaris Jackson, or some veteran retread that nobody really wants as their starter, they have virtually no shot at all.
I would take Campbell
he is younger, completes nearer 5% of his passes more – all he needs is good WR’s and an OL to play behind.
McNabb is great at the deep ball, but Brees showed the game is about 7 yard passes and McNabb would bury half of those in the ground.
There is a reason why McNabb does not throw many interceptions – some of his passes are not catchable by anyone.
by G Fan in England on Feb 8, 2010 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
By your logic...
you’d take 2006-’07 David Carr over McNabb.
He completed 68.3% of his passes that season…
Still standing by that statement?
Yes
Carr did well for us last season completing 63% of his passes in limited duty.
As a GM I would want an accurate QB (Eli reached that acceptable level in 2009 but not before) – not a QB who struggles to reach 60% comp season on season.
Now that is just me and I could well be proved wrong – but to me a first for McNabb would leave me shaking my head about the good piece of business the Eagles did.
by G Fan in England on Feb 8, 2010 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
Actually I gotta side with G fan in England on this Campbell thing..
the dude is a good athlete, he can move when needed and he can throw fairly good… I’d say him and his D are the only reason the Redskins aren’t 1-15 this year.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
no matter how much you dislike mcnabb’s flaws, jason campbell is not on the same level as him. mcnabb had good defenses and westbrook on offense early in his career and took this team to championship games. Campbell has a good defense and clinton portis and struggles to get his team to 500. He is not worth more than mcnabb.
wow
i cant believe i just said that Cutler was in Denver.
I’m an idiot
I'd rather be an Eagles fan till the day i die and go 0-16 every year than be a cockroach cowboys fan
shit happens... Its not as bad
as trade kolbs dumbass comment.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
Haha!!!
That was almost up there with the trade to buffalo for Cribbs :)
Come on Favre, just retire so we can get a nice bidding war for #5 going
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
It could turn
into a Dutch Auction!
What are the odds on you getting more for Vick than you get for McNabb?
by G Fan in England on Feb 8, 2010 9:12 AM EST up reply actions
Why
he is younger, a better runner and there is not much difference in accuracy and Vick puts fans in the stands more than McNabb will.
by G Fan in England on Feb 8, 2010 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
So if you got
a 3rd and a 5th for McNabb that makes Vick a 5th in any trade talks?
by G Fan in England on Feb 8, 2010 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
You are either just messing with us or have absolutely NO clue about American Football.
by Route36 on Feb 8, 2010 11:26 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
um..
McNabb is in accurate but Vick isnt even close… His accuracy rivals that of my 6 year old sister.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
by bad its inaccurate not in accurate.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
inaccuracy
it’s not that mcnabb is inaccurate, it’s that he’s inconsistent…how he can thread the needle one play and hit you in the feet the next will always be mind boggling for us….
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Feb 8, 2010 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
When a reciever is open, he can hit him
but thats only when he is wide open allowing him to just bullet a straight line to him. Mcnabb can’t anticipate the next step or throw to where a receiver will be open.
that's not true...
you’re over simplifying it…he’s not that bad…if he couldnt hit a wr on the move at all he wouldnt be a qb in the NFL…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Yohn5rESOo&feature=related ….you’re gonna tell me neither of these balls were thrown well?…maclin had to make an adjustment on the second one, but that doesnt make it a bad throw…
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Feb 8, 2010 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
We're talking about consistantly hitting those
and its obvious he can’t. I can’t count how many times i’ve seen a short/medium pass in the middle get thrown behind the player, or at the players feet.
dude
scroll up…i said he’s inconsistent…not inaccurate…
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Feb 8, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
Dude
Inaccurate means the same thing as inconsistent in this sense.
i understand...
what you’re saying…he can’t hit short throws, i agree…but i wouldnt call mcnabb inaccurate..i said it on another thread, he should just throw short routes all summer w/ desean/maclin in arizona… http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2010/2/1/1286640/jackson-shines-in-losing-effort-as#
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Feb 8, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
He is tho?
I don’t understand your arguement. Yes he does have to spend time hitting those short slants to become accurate. I just think its difficult because Mcnabb has been in the league 10 years, he is past his prime. Its tough to believe he will improve his accuracy drastically.
Also, I don’t see how you don’t think he is inaccurate. The dirtballs, throwing behind receivers, too high, its been commonplace the last 3 years.
he's not
60% comp rate is not an inaccurate passer…he’s just not consistent on short passes….he’s normally on the money when he throws the ball downfield…he’s also had a lot of wr’s drop the short balls he is accurate on….i think you’re biased like masses and only remember the bad throws…also a lot of the time his inaccurate balls are catchable…they’re just not well thrown leading the runner so he can rack up the yac…
i was merely saying that i do see the same thing that you do, i just view it differently apparently. i would not call him an innacurate passer…and last 3 years man, he could never hit those passes on a consistent basis….
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Feb 9, 2010 6:56 AM EST up reply actions
60% comp rate is not good
Its 20th in the league! How is that good? The WCO offense is suppose to thrive under short/mid passes with high completetion rate.
Inaccurate balls are catchable, if by catchable you mean, stop your route, turn around and make an attempt for it. The dirt balls are uncatchable. it kills drives, and if it was once or twice then noone cares, but its practically once every other throw.
THIS YEAR...
60% is no longer the standard…..a 60% completion rating has been the standard for a good qb for a long time…when he was 58% they used to say was almost there….just cus it was low this year doesnt make it bad. you gotta be kidding me. tom brady’s career pct 63.3, manning 64.8….montana 64.2, steve young 64.3…. troy aikman 61.5….dan marino 59.4…donovan mcnabb 59.0….how old are you? all those guys must suck…peyton manning, considered one of the best qb’s EVER, has a rating of 64.0…man he must suck.
are you shitting you me, by your definition the only balls that are caught are accurate passes????? so every pass he’s thrown that has been caught over the middle was accurate?…so when he throws it low and desean can still handle it, it was an accurate pass cus it was caught??…
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Feb 9, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
It isn't the standard anymore
And thats where Mcnabb is, so he is below average. Mcnabb was never an accurate passer, and he adjusted as these other QB’s have. There is a big difference between 59% and 64% for career passing percentages.
The only balls that should be caught are accurate balls. If Mcnabb throws a ball at Avant’s feet, but Avant catches, that was all on Avant. It was still a shitty and inaccurate throw. Same goes for throwing behind him, or 6 feet above him.
im done arguin this...
64% is the best the NFL has ever seen…so yah, id hope there is a BIG difference!!! he’s thrown for better then 59%, it’s his career avg.
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Feb 9, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
damnit
the shortcut didnt work….it’s at the bottom…
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Feb 8, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
it was an awful throw to maclin
had he put some touch on it and thrown it where it needed to be that wouldve been a huge play. Btw mcnabb wasn’t under pressure nor was there anyone around maclin. if maclin caught it, it would’ve been a great catch /bad pass. Plus, he was EXPECTING the ball to be to his lead shoulder not his back one which was where mcnabb threw it
and just bc a WR can get a hand on it doesnt mean it should be an automatic catch.
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
what?
both of the passes were for touchdowns, how were they not huge plays? are you talking bout the pass in the dallas game when maclin was wide open?…the one that went STRAIGHT THROUGH both his hands?…it was a bad pass, hell yah, but it was catchable…
you’re obviously not old school at all if you dont think a wr should catch ANY ball that hits their hands…that’s the basic rule of thumb for any wr…
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Feb 8, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
sorry thought the videos where from the dallas game
so he had 2 good balls.. i could show you way more clips of deep balls where he missed wipde open WRs big time
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
we could do that all day
he’s only accurate bout 60% of the time…it wouldnt be hard….you completely missed the point that he can be accurate…ie, those throws, but on the other hand he can bury the ball in your ankles…he’s “inconsistent”…
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Feb 9, 2010 6:58 AM EST up reply actions
Speaking of Cutler...
Does anyone remember what the speculation was about how much the Broncos should get in return for Cutler prior to their trade?
they threw that towel in like 12 months ago bud...
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
Does anyone else find it interesting that this rumor was posted on PE.com? I can’t remember the last time a team posted “rumors” of trading their star on their own website.
Chase Utley is so good that on one pitch he stole second, third and the shortstop's hat.
I am pretty sure PE.com gets treated as an independent media source. I don’t think they have any real ties to the team.
by Clyde Simmons on Feb 8, 2010 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
The stars are aligned
He’s not doing well in this style of offense we run, hes getting older, and with his contract expiering he has value.
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
Stars are alligned.
That said, we take the highest offer on any of our QB. If Kolb can demand more than McNabb, than he gets traded. But McNabbs value is relatively still high.
In Kolb we trust
I agree, just saying
thats probrably why Andy said that five was his QB. Just because he wasn’t lying, he doesn’t know who he’s gonna trade. But McNabb is the most likely candidate.
In Kolb we trust
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Time for Trade
McNabb just had a very good season, his contract is about to expire and he’s getting up in age, NOW is the time to trade him. If Kolb can just be DECENT and not throw that many passes into the ground like McNabb did and we shore up our OL and the Secondary we’re good to go. With the recievers around him the fact that McNabb at times looked lost does not speak well about him
Some teams are just a QB away
I hate to use the Saints as an example but picking up the veteran Brees instead of relying on the draft was the best move their franchise has made. It allowed them to use their picks more effectively. McNabb is no Brees at this point in his career, but I think I would value him higher than I would Favre or any of the rookie QB’s. That being said, if McNabb can give a team three decent years he’s worth a first to a mid round drafting team. He would definately be worth Minn.’s first. There are injury questions though so I could see a trade including a 2nd or 3rd and a conditional 1st next year assuming he plays 60% of the snaps or something.
If we can't get a high enough pick for just McNabb
Sweeten the pot with Gocong or something. They’re all 3-4 teams up there (except the Vikes). GIve them Gocong or Laws + McNabb for (hopefully) a 1, or a package of early round picks
lol so 1 2nd round bust, a mediocre OLB and Mcnabb for a 1st
or a package or early round picks!?!? lol why would anyone do that! :)
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
As far as Laws goes
Two years into Kolb’s career, I’m sure 90% of the people on this string were SURE he was a bust. Now it’s all about the best way to have him start.
Gocong ain’t all that great, but he’s been playing out of position for his entire career. For a 3-4 desperate for some OLB help (Bills and Browns sound like good bets there), he might be worth throwing a pick our way
Never know what other teams think of these guys. Hell, practically our entire practice squad wound up on active rosters…and Belichek slurped Greg Lewis for years
an undrafted FA was ahead of laws on the depth chart
I assure you no team gives a hoot about laws. there could be a chance hes cut this year
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
trade him to denver for dawkins and draft picks _
but really I would love to have bdawk back but I don’t think that is going to happen, I just hope they are able to trade McNabb before his trade value starts to diminish (aka this off season)
McNabb RETIRING after next season. No trade is possible.
McNabb retiring from football after the 2010 season. Look at the evidence. He wants to be in the broadcast booth.
*McNabb continually states he is retiring an Eagle. The only way he can be so sure of that is if he knows that he will not sign a contract prior to a trade with a different team.
*McNabb has stated several times that he is willing to play next year without a contract extension. One would think that the only way he would do that is if he was certain it was his last year in football. An injury would not hamper a big new contract if he has no intentions of playing after 2010.
*Last year McNabb was given more money but not a contract extension, perhaps he told the Eagles of his retirement plans after the 2010 season.
*It is well known that McNabb aspires to be in the broadcast booth, he recently reiterated this.
*Reid and Banner both made statements to indicate McNabb will be back next year. Reid was quick to name McNabb his starter next year. Why? Because that is the plan , play McNabb in 2010, he retires and Kolb takes over in 2011. This may be the plan already set in stone by McNabb, Reid, Laurie and Banner. With this already decided Reid can confidently say…. Yea, its my decision.
*His age and injury history may be factors in his decision to retire after the 2010 season. There were reports in 2007 that McNabb was thinking about retirement during his injury rehab. He has plenty of money, does not want another injury, and would love to do TV.
*McNabb is very confident that he will not be traded , that might be due to an agreement between him and the Eagles that was reached last year when he was given more money without more years. In essence he told the Eagles then that he was retiring after the 2010 season and the Eagles committed to him as their starter through 2010. The Eagles and McNabb know a trade is not possible because McNabb would not agree to a deal with another team.
There is no talk about a contract extension from McNabb, his agent, or the Eagles.
End result. Vick gone, Mcnabb and Kolb stay. Kolb starts in 2011.
hahaha
this is one of the greatest speculation posts ive read in a while….this borders on alien abduction theories…
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
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"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Feb 8, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
If they can't get a 1st round pick for Mcnabb
they should keep him. Roy Williams fetched a 1st round pick, 3rd round pick, and a sixth round pick. McNabb>>>>>>> Roy Williams.
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
I don’t disagree… but the age factor is a big difference. That’s the only problem.
Plus it was Dallas (Jerry Jones) who gave up all of those picks for Williams. The same Dallas organization that gave up two first round picks for Joey Galloway….
My point…. comparing Dallas’ trade for Williams and McNabb’s value is like comparing apples to oranges.
Eagles fans "wtf" scenario:
Donovan McNabb traded to the Broncos, who go on to win the Super Bowl with McNabb, Dawkins, and Buckhalter…
How awful would that be?
Give McNabb some credit
I think that we could get a high second for him.
SGT Dave "larsonprojects" Evans
4th Infantry Division
US Army
We can argue all day
and agree to disagree and all sorts.
McNabb did have a high ypa and ypercomp in 2009 – however they are not his normal stats as in 2008 it was 6.9 and in 2007 it was 7.
His average was distorted by the number of big plays of 40+ (17). Some of these plays were deep balls some were crossing patterns which broke for big yardage.
I will use Eli stats – not to prove he is a better QB – but as a comparsion only because their QB rating was very close 92.9 to 93.1 so the NFL thinks they are very close performance wise.
You tell me McNabb took more deep balls – the stats do not support that. Out of his 443 attempts only 43 were thrown more than 20 yards. As a percentage of throws Eli threw more deep balls 57 out of 509 attempts – Eli completed a greater % of these throws (38.59 to 34.88).
If you look at passes behind LOS and 1 to 10 yards McNabb had 285 attempts and completed 64.2% – Eli had 314 attempts and completed 69.1 %.
The one area McNabb did well (and I have not tried to hide this stat) is in the 11-20 yard throws of which he had 79 and completed 62% – Eli had 115 attempts and completed a poor 53%..
Looking at overthrown,underthrown and thrown wide McNabb had 72 or 16.25% compared to Eli’s 73 or 14.34%.
What did Favre do for the Vikes – in the pass behind LOS to 1 to 10 yards he was 275 out of 363 a whopping 75.7%.
in my view McNabb was his same normal accurate self, however because Jackson and Celek etc break short passes for big gains this increased McNabb’s ypa to a full 1 yard above his career average.
I am still of the view that McNabb will not take a new team to the promised land and that if a team wishes to trade for him they should not use a high draft pick to get him.
by G Fan in England on Feb 9, 2010 4:46 AM EST reply actions
The reason I
want an accurate QB is in the up to 10 yard range you need to complete those throws to keep drives alive.
I have listed McNabb (64.2%), Eli (69%) and Favre (75.7%). Here are some other QB’s for you to consider covering that distance
Brees – 77%, Warner 70%, now it gets interesting from here as Henne 68%, VY 65%, Freeman 64.3%, Stafford 64.1%, Ryan 64%, JMR 63.5%, Quinn 62%.
So in that pass range I view as critical such players as VY, Freeman (rookie), Henne and even JMR are better or almost as good as completing that pass as McNabb!
Yes McNabb does well in the 11-20 range but that is only 79 attempts compared to 285 The larger the number the truer the picture.
by G Fan in England on Feb 9, 2010 5:49 AM EST reply actions
you're still distorting
stats to prove your points….you still have to break those stats down even further if you’d actually like prove your point to someone…..wr screens, actual screens…qb hurries…there’s many things that go into all of that…
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Feb 9, 2010 7:04 AM EST up reply actions
Please tell
me why McNabb will be a great pick up for another team.
by G Fan in England on Feb 9, 2010 7:28 AM EST up reply actions
gfan
ive been reading the whole thing…i started this fanshot….im not gonna get into it w/ you…i live in north jersey, i deal w/ enough g’fans as it is…
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Feb 9, 2010 8:27 AM EST up reply actions
Fair enough
I do have too say that if you had gotten better QB play in the last decade you could have easily won two or three SB’s.
by G Fan in England on Feb 9, 2010 8:34 AM EST up reply actions
of course you have to say it...
eagles fans could also say if we drafted one of the elite, traded for, or gave mcnabb better weapons in general…..thats statement would be completely false…
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Feb 9, 2010 8:49 AM EST up reply actions
That will be the eternal question
Was McNabb a great QB playing on an average team or
Was McNabb an average QB playing on a good team.
As you said we could go all day on that one so it is most probably best we don’t!
All the best for next season.
by G Fan in England on Feb 9, 2010 9:02 AM EST up reply actions
question 2
is def. not the question….i think any eagle fan could list all the inept wr’s that we’ve had over mcnabbs tenure and everyone can agree that this is the best wr corp the eagles have ever had…
its ques 1 or was he just a mediocre qb the whole time….i think every eagle fan would jump on you w/ the 2004 year w/ TO…mcnabb was GREAT that year….but just as quickly eagles fans will tell you we didnt have TO since wk 13 that year so he didnt exactly get us over the hump either..i will say if we had TO for the 3 championship games before 04 and if we had him after…mcnabb would probly be looked at one of the best QB’s of the decade anyway…the amount of rings we could have had this decade is mind boggling…
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Feb 9, 2010 9:10 AM EST up reply actions
I consider
Eli to be an average QB.
Eli has just had his best season throwing to in effect a 3rd year guy and two rookies – this is something I did not expect when compared to 2007 when he was throwing to Plax and Toomer.
Has Eli improved his game or were the 2009 guys better than the 2007 ones. I don’t know the answer – but all I can see is an improvement in his stats.
As for McNabb – 2004 stands out as his best season – is that all down to TO – certainly some of it is but how much? Did TO make the whole team including McNabb better or was McNabb able to perform at his normal level because he had a better WR?
Even including last season Mcnabb’s numbers are similar to previous seasons (apart from 2004) so has he or the team levelled out in all the other years bar 2004.
Are you guys saying that the Eagles have had no one at WR except TO for 2004 for all of the McNabb years?
If it is that the Eagles have held him back then are you saying that all the other teams have better WR’s than the Eagles so he could perform at his 2004 level if he played for them?
by G Fan in England on Feb 9, 2010 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
in the future
please reread your post before sending this…that was rather annoying to read…
1. elis IS an average qb..the giants will not be successful relying on the pass. his best attribute is he runs an impecable two min drill. if the giants could only find a way for him to close off his mind the rest of the game, he’d be a really good qb.
2. your running game wasn’t as good this year, and eli is an improving qb so his stats should get better. if he doesnt improve on throwing 18+ picks a year id be scared as giant fan, and that was when they relied on the RUN….the giants had to rely on the pass more, so naturally he had better stats.
3.the 2004 season the eagles were able to get up on opponents w/ TO and make opponents one dimensional…our def. has always been good against the pass. mcnabb performed at an elite level w/ an elite wr, thats obvious. he made the rest of the team better by commanding double teams, and to be be focused on by the defense. they couldnt just focus on shutting down westbrook. thats a beyond obvious question to answer.
4. has the team leveled the bars on the 2004 team, that would be a big NO. its not the same line on either side of the ball, 04 was def. better then the 08 lines. secondary was comparable, but the wr corp wasn’t as good. desean was a rookie, and not as good as 04 TO, nor was he equal to him this year. he’s a no. 1 wr, but an 04 TO was a more elite wr easily.
5. i dont speak for anyone but myself first off. have the eagles had ANY wr’s as good as TO, hell no. TO could have made any mediocre wr that we had good by drawing a double team and the defenses main attention. you obviously don’t know anything about the eagles if you even have to ask this question. why do you think eagles fans were absolutely giddy with maclin being drafted and having desean this year? we now have the best wr corp we’ve ever had and two really good targets for mcnabb.
6. No, mcnabbs no longer in his 2004 form, he can’t scramble as well, he’s an older qb. if he went to the cardinals, you dont think boldin/fitz would be a better combo then desean/maclin. that’s not an insult to our wr’s. The eagles Front Office held him back by not giving him the an elite/above avg. wr so that he could perform to the best of his abilities. marino had good wr’s and no rb, that front office kept the dolphins from a SB. peyton had the wr’s but no rb, he didnt win a sb till he that FO gave him a rb. the eagles had a rb, they just needed more talent at the wr position, and they would have had atleast one SB. so yes, the front office didnt max out his ability.
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Feb 9, 2010 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
An alternative view
I understand your thinking now.
I will suggest an alternate view which is shared by some Eagles fans.
McNabb is inaccurate in the sense that he is sometimes a little off target in his placement or location of the pass in relation to the receiver be it wrong shoulder, lack of touch etc. An elite receiver like TO is able to make adjustments to this off target throw whereas an ordinary receiver will not be able to most of the time. All the fans see is a dropped pass and blame the receiver when it was in reality a poor throw by the QB. If McNabb was more on target the receivers you had would make the catch and no doubt you would have had more SB appearances and maybe a win or two.
My logic in this – well Brady has won 3 SB’s throwing to Troy Brown, David Givens and Deion Branch. None of these guys are elite receivers, but Brady put the ball in the right spot, they caught it and the rest is history. So you can win with average WR’s if the QB throws a good pass.
This is further proved by the fact that whilst Brady had a good record/stats throwing to these guys, but his and the WR’s stats went off the top of the chart when he had Moss and Welker to throw to.
What you are saying is that the only reason McNabb does not have Brady’s stats is because the FO has not given him elite WR’s. Sorry a good QB wins with average WR’s he does not need elite guys unless you want record stats (Young to Rice, Brady to Moss). The fact you are saying that McNabb needs elite WR’s is an admission that he is not that good as he needs top guys to catch his passes.
After all when Kolb played in two games this season running the same offence and throwing to the same guys he was more accurate. Yes he threw some Int but the accuracy was there.
Until you realise that McNabb is a big part of the problem you will never move on. In that way I hope you keep McNabb for the rest of his playing career.
by G Fan in England on Feb 9, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
really
you’re goin to bring up a tainted legacy as your argument??…and not a single person on this site is gonna say mcabb is a better qb then brady. so you bring up a hall of fame qb to tell us our qb isn’t good enough. im happy that you guys are gonna have eli for the rest of HIS career!!
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Feb 9, 2010 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
also
if you look at a list of wr’s mcnabb has had for his career…none of them were as good as the wr’s that brady was throwing to. i would gladly take givens, brown and branch over any wr’s mcnabb had outside of TO and our current corps. so PISS OFF…
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Feb 9, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
WR's
McNabb had receivers like James Thrash, Todd Pinkston, Freddie Mitchell. Then he got T.O. Why act surprised that he and T.O. put up career numbers? It’s pretty obvious McNabb made some mediocre receivers look better than they were and looked great when he had a great receiver. His #2 option in the Superbowl vs. the Pats was Pinky, who cramped up and didn’t even come out of his corner for the 2nd half… and that helped out the Patriots defense immensely. Again, it’s a team game.
To the right team with the right pieces in place McNabb may be worth a lot. To others that don’t need him, not so much. Your argument that he’s not worth a high pick to any team is based on distortions of McNabb’s past record, his current abilities and the realities of the marketplace.
It may turn out no team wants to pay the price Reid sets on McNabb – we don’t even know what that is yet – and he could be back next season.
If my mother put on a helmet and shoulder pads and a uniform that wasn't the same as the one I was wearing, I'd run over her if she was in my way. And I love my mother. - Bo Jackson
OK
I can break the stats down even more like when he is under pressure he completed 24 of 62 passes. or on 3rd and less than 6 he was 19 out of 36 and sacked 12 times.
The numbers become meaningless the more you post as they lose their meaning.
The point I have tried to make is that he will not be a major upgrade for a lot of teams as he is not that accurate.
by G Fan in England on Feb 9, 2010 7:17 AM EST reply actions
that's sort of the point....
stats don’t always mean all that much and can be skewed to fit whatever argument you want to make…
you can say mcnabb is inaccurate, and we can show he doesnt turn the ball over…you can say that’s cus no one can catch the ball he throws…
if you can’t see mcnabbs talent, or his upside for a bunch of the teams in the NFL…you’re obviously wearin your blue goggles…mcnabb for a minimum of 3-5 years while they develop a future qb wouldnt be a positive??…
Donovan would be an obvious upgrade for BUF…WAS…MIN…CAR…JAX..DEN…KC…OAK…ARI…SF….SEA…STL… and that’s not including the teams like TB or MIA that are grooming a young QB…or TEN that has a QB headache…
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Feb 9, 2010 9:04 AM EST up reply actions
G Fan
You can argue all day long that McNabb is inaccurate, but the fact is what greenbean said here is absolutely true.
If I’m any of the teams he’s listed, I consider McNabb an upgrade over what I have. The only difference between the teams is some can afford to pay more for McNabb than others. For instance, Arizona is probably better off giving Leinart a chance even though, right now, I’d consider McNabb a better quarterback. Also… San Francisco. If they think Alex Smith has a chance at becoming a good QB then they’re probably better off giving him a chance, again, even though McNabb is a better QB.
I think you’re right that it might be a bad idea for some teams to pay a hefty price for McNabb, but for some others it’s not a bad idea. It’s all going to depend on how many teams get involved and how badly they want a good QB. For you to say McNabb is worth no-more-than a third round pick, however, is ludicrous.
And also, if you come back with some ridiculous stats to say that Alex Smith or Matt Leinart are better than McNabb then I give up. If you come back and say that, then you’re obviously a delusional, mis-guided McNabb hater.
He already said Vick should be worth more in trade than McNabb. That’s delusional no matter if it came from reading stats or not watching the games.
If my mother put on a helmet and shoulder pads and a uniform that wasn't the same as the one I was wearing, I'd run over her if she was in my way. And I love my mother. - Bo Jackson
def not agreeing with him
but by his logic….vick is 29 and mcnabb is 33…based on age, you should give up more to get vick…
the rest of us, normal, logical, NFL fans….you give up more for mcnabb based on talent, talent which he doenst believe mcnabb has. he’s an A-typical homer fan.
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Feb 9, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
Your blind
Mcnabb doesn’t fit our offense. His talent is suited better elsewhere, because it is holding us back. Vick was never worth more than Mcnabb. Age doesn’t matter when your comparing Vick and Mcnabb because Vick was never a prototypical QB. He relied on running and now was 2 years out of football. Mcnabbs value is a lot higher. We’ll be lucky to get a 4th for Vick.
how the fk am i blind?
im not the one who said vick should fetch a better pick then mcnabb?…so what are you talking about?…i also never said anything about vick being our qb so who cares? this has nothing to do w/ his ability to play qb.
also, do point out where i said mcnabb should be our qb next year?…or that he fits our offense or he isn’t holding us back? im not against kolb being our qb and trading both of them. think before you speak.
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Feb 9, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
Relax yo
The post was obvious intended for the person who said Vick deserves more than Mcnabb
i apologize
gotta use the reply button better…
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Feb 9, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
Guys
The only reason I said that about Vick is because someone on your site said he was worth a second.
An ex GM has said the Giants could get a first or second for Osi. I would accept a 3rd for Osi as he is past his best and it is time to move on.
by G Fan in England on Feb 9, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
No I am not
If McNabb is as good as you think he is why was his comp 60.3% this year compared to 60.4% last year – I would expect it to have gone up to 62% or 63%.
Don’t say rookie WR in Maclin as Eli played with two rookie WR’s and increased his comp by 3%.
Now if McNabb gets his comp up to 65% this year I will accept he has talent.
by G Fan in England on Feb 9, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
are you kidding
with this crap?….just go watch european football…
mcnabb has been in the league for 10 years…eli has been in the league for 5 years…eli needs to get better…mcnabb is past that point of his career. he threw for 64% in 04 and has thrown for 60%+ in the past three years….GO AWAY…go post on BBV….NO ONE CARES WHAT YOU THINK OF MCNABB OR OUR QB’s.
Osi was the worst of all your ends. any team that gives you a 1
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Feb 9, 2010 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
mcnabb has been in the league for 10 years…eli has been in the league for 5 years…eli needs to get better…mcnabb is past that point of his career. he threw for 64% in 04 and has thrown for 60%+ in the past three years….GO AWAY…go post on BBV….NO ONE CARES WHAT YOU THINK OF MCNABB OR OUR QB’s.
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Feb 10, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
crap post button
gives you a 1 for osi better have a damn good line already…
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Feb 9, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
#5 Is the best Eagle player of ALL TIME!
McNabb is the best thing that ever happened to the Eagles. He is a sensational QB and showman. The fans love him and cheer wildly when he dodges a tackler and escapes a sack. He should have been the league MVP this year. The national TV analysts always praise him for his abilities and his intelligence. He has a better arm then Brees and is smarter than Manning. The very very small minority of philly fans that don’t like him always site his passing inaccuracy. If you really look at that, many times its slow receivers like Kevin Curtis or Celek not getting to the spot fast enough. I am tired of the people complaining about the air guitar. That is his unique way of relaxing before the big performance. Its not fair how a few of the fans treat him. If this continues, we are going to lose him, a man can take only so much. I hope and pray that those few fans do not upset him to the point that he asks for a trade.
…seriously?
RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
Kurt Warner: HOF Class of 2015
by Imp on Feb 9, 2010 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
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