Qb's Who May Need A Ring To Complete Their Legacy
by NorthPhillyKid on Feb 5, 2010 11:38 AM EST
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Donovan McNabb
No current player may need a Super Bowl ring more to define their legacy than Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb.
The argument can be made McNabb would be a guarantee had he come away with at least one Super Bowl win from the team's five NFC Championship appearances last decade. In his 11 years with the Eagles, he now owns just about every quarterback record for the franchise—including passing yards (32,873) and touchdowns (216).
However, those records may not be enough to get him into Canton as McNabb has been criticized for his inability to win the big games. If he brings Philadelphia their first Super Bowl in franchise history, his legacy as an Eagle would be more meaningful not only to him, but his fans.
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A good
but not great QB who is not a Hall of Fame candidiate in my view.
Unless Eli wins another two SB he is not Hall of Fame either.
by G Fan in England on Feb 5, 2010 11:44 AM EST reply actions
So...
U post this saying QB’s who need a ring… And u put mcnabb as the only one…? Why don’t u just change the title to mcnabb will need a superbowl to get into canton…?
by bclancy15 on Feb 5, 2010 11:46 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Whoops my bad iPhone fucked up!!
My bad bro didn’t show the link right away sorry take my post bal
by bclancy15 on Feb 5, 2010 11:47 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
ehh
i think mcnabbs in now .. .that superbowl means nothing!!! thats a team achievment .. marino is top 3 to ever play and didnt win shit .. jim kelly never won either
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Feb 5, 2010 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
Wow I am agreeing with JIBTA. It is the fact that he was our QB and we got to the SB that solidifies him as a HOFer.
by Cowboy KILLER on Feb 6, 2010 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
jerk ! lol
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by NorthPhillyKid on Feb 7, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
McNabb would make the hall of fame if he won a super bowl
but if he doesn’ t there’s really no chance, and he shouldn’t. being a champion makes a huge difference.
i wouldnt go as far as to say “no chance.” i think that winning one would guarantee a spot in Canton, but not winning one wouldnt guarantee that he doesnt.
If you dont like Big Red, then F#%@ You!
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by GreenInBaltimore on Feb 5, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
don't get me wrong i'm a mcnabb supporter
but when i look at the nfc competition throughout the years those nfc championship appearences are less and less impressive. his numbers are impressive. but we all know winning is also a qb stat
by Q27 on Feb 5, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
Eli manning IS NOT HOF material
Trent Dilfer won a superbowl with a dominent defense. So did Eli.
I heart Dawkins
True
But it was not the defence that drove 80 yards at the end of the game to score a TD when only a TD would do.
What did McNabb do when he was in the same position in the SB against the Pats?
by G Fan in England on Feb 5, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
come on
Not to take anything away from him because he puts the points on the board when they needed it but a hail mary and a square out to burris….
I heart Dawkins
dude
superbowls dont make u good .. big ben won 2 already .. is he already getting inducted? .. come on .. dilfer won one .. brad johnson .. look at marino and kelly .. both top 10 of all time .. winning is a TEAM EFFORT .. just cuz u dont win doesnt mean its your fault ..
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Feb 5, 2010 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
If it's so easy how come McNabb didn't do it?
You guys had TO, who was light years better than Burress.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
whoa
one fuckin year we had TO .. and he took us to superbowl .. not our fault front office fucked that up and let him go
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Feb 7, 2010 12:27 AM EST up reply actions
Owens fucked up his situation. I stand firmly by my belief that if he would of kept his mouth shut against McNabb’s problems in the Superbowl (I mean seriously, you’re going to blow up your teammates spot and completely destroy the trust needed to be an efficient coheseive team) and would have went to mangament about his contract, showing them all the positives he brought to the team that year, Owens could have and would have had his contract renegotiated to something rewarding him for his extraordinary abilities. But no, that little bitch did blow up his teammates and his whole organization, took his desire to get a new contract to the media and public, and then started to do anything he could to be a distraction to our team. Fuck him! Owens fucked Owens. nobody else.
"You know...I think you got the wrong impression about me. I think in all fairness, I should explain to you exactly what it is that I do. For instance, tomorrow morning I'll get up nice and early, and take a walk down over to the bank, walk in and see ya, and uh. If you don't have my money for me, I'll...crack your fuckin head wide open in front of everybody in the bank. And just about the time that I'm coming out of jail...Hopefully you'll be coming out of your coma, and guess what? I'll split your fuckin head open again! Cause I'm fuckin stupid! I don't give a fuck about jail. That's my business. That's what I do." - Joe Pesci in Casino
dude
fuck u .. thats exactly why we dont have a ring .. its team this .. team that .. fuck that shit .. TO was the team .. he was the guy we needed to win .. and he knew that .. he was severly underpaid .. they should of paid him .. they didnt .. they fucked up the best thing they ever had ..
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Feb 7, 2010 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
what kind of stupid kid are you?
Owens was the team? Lets see, we made it to the superbowl without him playing in a single playoff game. We made it to how many nfc championship games without his punk ass? Underpaid? He was signed for 49 million dollars! And your juvenile attitude is what is wrong with sports today. There is never one man that is above the rest of his team. Team is what is needed. Owens was the team? How many key tackles did he have? How many picks? How many sacks? How many points did he take away from the opposing team? A complete team is what will bring this city a championship. Not one egotistcal, albeit talented Diva ass WR. Owens was worth a top 5 WR slary, no doubt. But his skill set was not worth a complete chemistry tear down of the Philadelphia Eagles. You don’t like the mangements decision? You don’t like the way the Eagles did things? Then go to a souless team like the cowwhores and root for them. Eagles all day, everyday.
"You know...I think you got the wrong impression about me. I think in all fairness, I should explain to you exactly what it is that I do. For instance, tomorrow morning I'll get up nice and early, and take a walk down over to the bank, walk in and see ya, and uh. If you don't have my money for me, I'll...crack your fuckin head wide open in front of everybody in the bank. And just about the time that I'm coming out of jail...Hopefully you'll be coming out of your coma, and guess what? I'll split your fuckin head open again! Cause I'm fuckin stupid! I don't give a fuck about jail. That's my business. That's what I do." - Joe Pesci in Casino
So is Mcnabb
better than the team – he does seem to be better treated than the rest?
by G Fan in England on Feb 7, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
yea
he is treated like royalty .. TO didnt do anything .. he wasasked if the eagles were better off with brett favre .. lets see one of the top 3 of all time .. yes .. he told truth ..and he gets thrown under bus for it .. its complete bs .. TO made us elite .. he was the only reason we were in that superbowl game ..and with out him we havent came close to winning one .. he was severely underpaid .. he signed that shitty deal cuz he had no choice .. he didnt wanna be a raven .. and his agent fucked up and didnt let him become a FA .. so that 49 mil was BS .. cuz it was all backloaded and he wouldnt of seen most of it .. so yea in the nfl its all about guaranteed and signing bonuses .. and he was underpaid
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Feb 7, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
We were elite before TO...
infact I think we saved him in 04. He was about to self destruct and fuck his entire Football career most likely..
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
yea bs
how many superbowls did we go to .. who feared our offense with out TO .. yea exaclty .. shut up stupid
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Feb 10, 2010 12:51 AM EST up reply actions
TO didnt take us to the superbowl...
the Team did. Infact he was out the entire Playoffs and we got “over the hump” without him…
TO was a WR, he didnt block for himself, he didnt throw to himself, he didnt play defense and he most definantly didnt play on Special teams… Quit making him out to be like he was the only reason we reached to SB, it couldnt have been that Westy had 73 receptons, 177 carries, 9 TD’s and a shit ton of yards right? or the fact that anyone else contributed to that year.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
no
go back and watch that Superbowl .and see why we almost won .. cuz TO put us on his back
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Feb 10, 2010 12:52 AM EST up reply actions
That's a stretch man
Burress is 6’6" and runs a 4.3. He made the Giants’ running attack (which never faced eight man fronts thanks to him) unstoppable.
Once again, the error in your analysis is attributing victory to one player instead of a team. The Eagles also faced a better Pats defense
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
How did Eli do head to head with the Eagles this year? Which is the better indicator of Eli’s talent, 40-17 or 45-38?
We cannot mix
team and individual as part of the same arguement.
It is a team game – but at certain points it does come down to an individual.
The two Eagles game the Giants were overmatched and Eli could not do anything about it. On that basis the Cowboys beat you three times this year so McNabb has a worse case as at least the Giants scored 38 points to your zero points in the second game.
The Fins never put Marino in a position to win as a team. Norwood makes the FG and Kelly has a SB ring.
All I am saying is that Eli (as has Big Ben) driven his team to the winning score late in the SB – as has Montana and Brady. To this point McNabb has failed to rise to the occasion when his team needed him to do so.
He does therefore need a SB win to be considered a HofF player.
by G Fan in England on Feb 6, 2010 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
I brought up the Eagles-Giants games this season to point out the inconsistency of your argument that it’s a team game when the Eagles beat the Giants, but McNabb’s fault individually if the Eagles lose.
When Eli and the Giants went to the SB he was just an average QB who got lucky at the right time. He’s not worthy of HOF consideration. He wouldn’t even be in the conversation if the Giants defense didn’t carry him that one postseason.
If my mother put on a helmet and shoulder pads and a uniform that wasn't the same as the one I was wearing, I'd run over her if she was in my way. And I love my mother. - Bo Jackson
I agree
but if the Giants win another two SB with him as QB he will be considered for the Hall of Fame.
Rightly or wrongly the QB gets the credit for SB wins when the Hall of Fame comes round – Big Ben will likely get in because he has two rings and even though he did not do anything to win the first he did lead the drive for the second ring – that is what you want the QB to do and that is what counts in the eyes of the voters.
by G Fan in England on Feb 6, 2010 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah we can't mix team and individual as part of the same argument
when we want to criticize Eli. But when we want to criticize mcNabb, anything goes
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
hey hey
eanx .. how the fuck is it elis fault that his D gives up 40 and 45 points
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Feb 7, 2010 12:27 AM EST up reply actions
It was sarcasm
See my last response to G Fan above. Trying to make the same point as you, it’s a team game.
If my mother put on a helmet and shoulder pads and a uniform that wasn't the same as the one I was wearing, I'd run over her if she was in my way. And I love my mother. - Bo Jackson
McNabb was never in the same position
What did McNabb do when he was in the same position in the SB against the Pats?
He took over down 24-14 with 5:40 left and led the Eagles to a TD. They didn’t get the onside kick, and then had to go 96 yards in 46 seconds, which is highly unlikely.
Eli took over down 14-10 with 2:42 left and drove them to the winning score, with the aid of a highly unlikely completion.
I don’t want to come off like I’m defending McNabb’s play in that game, but it’s not really a fair comparison.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
I am wrong
But the possession before the G Lewis TD he threw a pick at the NE24.
He did not fail on his final drive – but it was not scoring on that previous drive to the TD which blew your chances.
by G Fan in England on Feb 8, 2010 4:32 AM EST up reply actions
Ok...
looking at some of the quarterbacks on this list, this guy is just reaching, in fact, the only one that would cement his legacy is mcnabb, none of the other guys have played long enough, maybe rivers, but come on, don’t give me tony romo, aaron rodgers, carson palmer, matt schaub? This list is dumb.
oh, yeah...
forgot about drew brees, he probably does if he wins one, especially if he wins one on sunday.
It is hard to believe
there are 10 QBs who are 1 SB win away from the HOF.
Some might be on that trajectory, but would still need several more years of excellence to get in the conversation.
McNabb is in the conversation … and an SB would make him verrrry favorable to get in.
Would be cool if it was the same year as Dawk so we could go take over Canton.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
nah
superbowls dont get u in .. its stats mvps .. and yea if u win a superbowl it helps .. but its not a deciding factor
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Feb 10, 2010 12:53 AM EST up reply actions
who think chuck norris could play qb for us?
he can do anything impossible
Desean Jackson- Im Number 1, the real deal, The 1(0)ne to Watch.
Interview while at Cal.
let him play center then
Desean Jackson- Im Number 1, the real deal, The 1(0)ne to Watch.
Interview while at Cal.
Chuck Bednarik 2.0
we had 44-6
you had 58-14
now we want an eagles SuperBowl win in Dallas next season
chuck
i think we found our new free safety….
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Feb 5, 2010 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
Whaaaat?
Chuck Norris for DE. Tell me you wouldn’t want to see Romo get round-house kicked to the face?
lmfao, we get chuck then
Desean Jackson- Im Number 1, the real deal, The 1(0)ne to Watch.
Interview while at Cal.
No ring no Canton?
Look at Dan Marino, he didnt win a Superbowl and he’s in Canton.
Randall Cunninham is in the same boat and might on the ballot soon enough.
SGT Dave "larsonprojects" Evans
4th Infantry Division
US Army
McNabb cant get a ring as a starter... Oops sorry.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
If McNabb keeps on playing a few years at a better than average level, and ends his career with > 45,000 yards and >300 TD’s, and keeps a better than 2:1 TD to INT ratio, he will have a good chance to get in.
If it is on stats
than Testaverde should make the Hall of Fame.
As for playoff record – winning the wild card or divisional game is not going to get you into the Hall.
by G Fan in England on Feb 6, 2010 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
testaverde played ‘til he was 44, had a less than impressive qb rating, and has a td:int ratio incomparable to mcnabb. there’s a significant difference between the two players and their statistical body of work.
also, you’re right about one thing… winning the wild card or divisional game is not going to get you into the hall. however, winning them 9 times is a different story.
you’re just splitting hairs.
How many
of those nine wins were the result of McNabb and how many were your defence?
So does McNabb get in ahead of SImms who was 5-3 postseason including a SB win or Boomer?
In today’s passing world his stats do not put him above his peers and he will in some respects be just another face in the crowd.
by G Fan in England on Feb 7, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
"How man of those nine wins were the result of McNabb and how many were your defense?"
But of course every loss is 100% McNabb’s fault and he’s a loser and a bum and Eli Manning won the Super Bowl all by himself
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
I disagree
to win playoff games you normally need solid QB play.
However, there comes a time when the QB has to perform at a level above solid for his team to win.
Last night is a prime example – Brees was 29 of 32 after the first quarter whilst Manning failed with his Int and 4th down inc in the 4th qtr – but looking at Manning stats line they were good – but not great.
Manning will still get in because of his stats but his playoff woes will always be a knock against him.
However, Brees has suddenly move into the realms of Hof F if he can win another SB combined with hs stats.
McNabb will need two SB rings to get in.
by G Fan in England on Feb 8, 2010 4:45 AM EST up reply actions
what
are u kidding me .. manning is the best ever u jack ass
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Feb 10, 2010 12:54 AM EST up reply actions
MG77=Asshole.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
Mg77 >>> Wild_eagle
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Feb 7, 2010 12:29 AM EST up reply actions
so jibta lol ....
mg77 is greater than greater than and greater than wild_eagle ?
"I think pro athletes should be forced to use steroids. I think we as fans deserve the greatest athletes science can create."- Daniel Tosh
If Football Had A Church , Brian Dawkins Would Be My Preacher. -NPK
by NorthPhillyKid on Feb 7, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
So let me break this down...
if Wild_eagle>Jibta and MG77>>>Wild_eagle then by inferring this to JIBTA.. MG77 must be >>>>JIBTA…
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
Actually it means "much greater than"
jibta actually showed off some math prowess there
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
thank you sir
"I think pro athletes should be forced to use steroids. I think we as fans deserve the greatest athletes science can create."- Daniel Tosh
If Football Had A Church , Brian Dawkins Would Be My Preacher. -NPK
by NorthPhillyKid on Feb 7, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
blow me , i posted a link to the original source ...
its not my opinion , just something to talk about …
"I think pro athletes should be forced to use steroids. I think we as fans deserve the greatest athletes science can create."- Daniel Tosh
If Football Had A Church , Brian Dawkins Would Be My Preacher. -NPK
by NorthPhillyKid on Feb 7, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Uh
That was an awful article. While I do think Donovan need’s a ring just to finally get all of those who give him unnecessary hate off of his back, some of those names are just awful. Brees I could see considering how successful he has been in New Orleans. Romo probably has to at least make it, just because of the fact that he is the QB of the Dallas Cowboys. And if Brees gets a ring, then Rivers definitely needs it just because of the way that went down. Palmer is one of the most overrated QBs in the league and has been for the last few seasons. Rodgers may have to get there because he follows Favre. Cutler doesn’t even have a legacy yet, and considering that no one really expects him to do that after the year he had last year, he doesn’t face this sort of pressure. And Schaub needs to have another good year or two before he justifies that he is the long term answer at QB for the Texans. Hasselbeck is in the same boat as McNabb and does need it though, just because he never really did anything to stand out.
I'll live and die with number 9....
thank you for addressing the article when criticizing the quality of it …. i didnt write this, i just re posted because i thought it was something more interesting to talk about then whats been rotating
"I think pro athletes should be forced to use steroids. I think we as fans deserve the greatest athletes science can create."- Daniel Tosh
If Football Had A Church , Brian Dawkins Would Be My Preacher. -NPK
by NorthPhillyKid on Feb 7, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
You my friend are a dumbass...
I thought that this article was fairly informative and I for one liked it… Secondly I dont think McNabb has to have a ring to make it, but getting one would solidify him as a future HOF almost immediately. Brees needs a ring to get it(which he got tonight). Rodgers, and Cutler are infants when it comes to starting in the NFL, they need 3-5 more years to even begin talking about there chances.. Palmer is a good QB, he’s one of the only reasons they did so well this year, do you think Fitzpatrick couldve lead them to that record this year? I think Palmer is actually about right, he’s not underrated or overrated.
Romo has no chance at the HOF. He doesnt produce enough. Getting a ring will only make him at Eli status which is good but not HOF material. So your little “romo needs a ring only because he’s a QB for the dallas Cowboys” arguement is just fucking stupid.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
This is a stupid argument
Who cares about the Hall of Fame? 20 years from now are we going to be celebrating McNabb because he’s a hall-of-famer? How about 50 years from now?
The hall doesn’t mean shit. All of them get forgotten anyway. What gets remembered is Super Bowl victories.
Can McNabb get into the hall without a super bowl? Maybe. BUt what’s important? The damn championship
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
by tanman5 on Feb 7, 2010 11:17 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
The thing is when it comes to QBs without rings McNabb doesn’t have the stats to match and when it comes to QBs with rings he’s right in the running. So a ring would put him in or several more seasons to accrue the needed stats.
I’ll give two examples … Aikman is in he has 3 Superbowl rings but his stats … meh … Terry Bradshaw … 4 Superbowl rings .. his stats
Aikman 61.5 pct 32,942 yards 165 TDs 141 INTs
Bradshaw 51.9 pct 27,989 yards 212 TDs 210 INTs
McNabb 59.0 pct 32,873 yards 216 TDs 100 INTs
Qbs without a Super Bowl ring …
Dan Marino 59.4 pct 61,361 yards 420 TDs 252 INTs
Fran Tarkenton 57.0 pct 47,003 yards 342 TDs 266 INTs
The way I see it with a ring McNabb is a shoe in … without the ring he’ll need to put together a few more years with high yards and a low TD to INT ratio to get in. His stats right now are somewhat mediocre compared to the hall.
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Feb 8, 2010 12:10 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Finally
Not only reasonable, but based on facts. Props.
If my mother put on a helmet and shoulder pads and a uniform that wasn't the same as the one I was wearing, I'd run over her if she was in my way. And I love my mother. - Bo Jackson
ehh
isnt jim kelly in there? warren moon? theres more than 2 woodie
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Feb 10, 2010 12:57 AM EST up reply actions
I said I’ll give two examples … yes Jim Kelly is in there and Warren Moon and Moons numbers are much higher than McNabbs and Kelly’s numbers are somewhat low you can’t really argue that he doesn’t deserve to be there.
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
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