The Overlooked: The 2010 Eagles Special Teams (Part 1 of 2)-Punters
Hi to all the BGNers out there, this is my first attempt at a Fan Post. I've been reading this blog for a while now and finally decided to start posting (see the fanpost on DeSean Jackson's want for a new contract). Hopefully this will be the start of more for me. In advance, I apologize for the steadily worsening of the depth of my write up, it's been an odd process with the times I've been writing at. Actual fan post follows:
What I have noticed is that our special teams for 2010 have barely been discussed on BGN. Bob_Q informed us of the signing of former Redskins and Packers punter Durant Brooks, leading me to think about next year's special teams squad. What will it look like, who will play where and other than Tracey White, David Akers and DeSean Jackson, who is a lock to return for the team next season? For now, I'll discuss punters (Part 1), seeing as that is possibly the most inconsistent position on special teams in the past five plus years.
Current punter on roster: Sav Rocca - RFA
Stats: 76 punts, 42.1 yards per punt, 26 inside the 20, 3 touchbacks, 3202 total yards punted, 38.3 net yards per punt. Rankings: 24th in y/p, 14th in net y/p, 11th in <20
Rating for 2009: C-, and I'm being nice. In short, Sav has a monster leg, but it only shows up a couple times a season. He's inconsistent, he's inaccurate and he just hasn't turned into a true NFL punter. Is he better than Dirk Johnson (currently punting for the Buccaneers)? I think so, but honestly, is that saying much? His stats hide the truth: he's not good, he's just about average. He has really benefited from a pretty good return team (which has been hampered by his sometimes wild punts) and because of that, coupled with his ability to launch the ball 50+ yards out of nowhere, his stats are kind of 'nice' looking. Again, it just hides the truth that he is truly someone who is lacking at a position that is needed to give the defense help against the opposing offense.
Options at Punter (Free Agents):
If Sav isn't the answer, then who is?
That is a hard question to answer. We clearly aren't going to find a Mat McBriar (Cowboys) or Shane Lechler (Raiders) out of nowhere, those kinds of punters aren't let go just any day. I feel that all we need is a solid punter, someone who is just consistent, doesn't need to bomb every single punt. So who fulfills that opinion? Here's a rundown of the options, in (almost) alphabetical order, with their 2009 teams in parentheses:
Option #1: Mitch Berger (Broncos)
Why?: He’s not Sav Rocca, but…
Why not?: …he’s a below average punter who has received as much criticism in Denver as Sav has here, if not more. In fact, Berger was thought to be on the way out right after the Broncos were eliminated from the playoffs, but that has not happened yet. Instead, the Broncos have signed undrafted rookie free agent A.J. Trapasso, seemingly to take Berger’s job.
My goodness, was Mitch Berger terrible Sunday [versus the Eagles]. There aren't words to adequately describe it. The punter position has to be a high priority in the offseason.
-Ted Bartlett, Mile High Report
2009 rating: D, Broncos fans on the Mile High Report rated him as below average, earning him this grade
Option #2: Jeff Feagles (Giants)
http://www.bigblueview.com/2010/1/26/1267018/new-york-giants-position --> See analysis by sbnation Giants fans at that link
Why?: Hi old friend. The current 'old faithful' of the NFL, you know what you'll get out of him. He's consistent (though not last year) and that's what counts for him.
Why not?: 2009 was not a great season for Feagles. His stats were among the lowest amongst punters, solely because he just can't punt long anymore. He will give you about 40 yards and that's that for the man. He will also be 44 next season.
2009 rating: D+, he had possibly his worst season ever in his 22 year career.
Option #3: Chris Hanson (Patriots)
Why?: The name.
Why not?: His stats were worse than Rocca's and his season so unmemorable that there is not a single article mentioning him on Pats Pulpit.
2009 rating: D, because he's below average and just that, nothing more.
Why?: He averaged more yards per punt than Rocca (43.7-42.1), tied him in <20 punts (26-26), was slightly worse in touchbacks (5 to 3) and was slightly worse in net yards per punt (37.9-38.3). Could that last stat be improved by a switch to the Eagles? Maybe. He is considered an above average punter in the league and was pretty consistent throughout the season
Why not?: His stats are not any better than Rocca's stats. And he may not be a UFA if a new CBA is not reached.
2009 rating: C for consistency.
Option #5: Michael Koenen (Falcons)*
Why?: I think the following quote sums up Koenen.
http://www.thefalcoholic.com/2010/1/2/1230131/saturday-news-and-notes-tackling
Because he's such a valuable weapon, I'm really hoping Koenen is ready to go Sunday.
-Dave the Falconer, The Falcoholic
Why not?: He's not a booming kicker, only 42.6 yards per punt and his net yards per punt were affected by that (36.3), but again the quote above
2009 rating: B+, a weapon when compared against Rocca, consistent and valuable to his team.
Option #6: Daniel Sepulveda (Steelers)
Why?:
http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2009/11/10/1124057/steelers-rout-broncos-win-fifth
Daniel Sepulveda meanwhile had one of his best game as a Steeler. He had 5 punts and averaged just 44.2 yards per punt - not an astronomical number by any means. But all of his kicks after his first awkward attempt that actually took an amazing bounce for him were clean, high hang-time kicks that limited Eddie Royal's impact in the return game. Sepulveda also made a really nice play when he pushed Royal out of bounds on one of his returns. If you get a chance to re-watch the game, keep an eye out for that play and take a look at the really impressive closing speed he displayed on that tackle. Not that it matters - he's paid to punt - but it was still good to see.
-Blitzburgh, Behind the Steel Curtain
Why not?:
http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2009/11/23/1169975/my-thoughts-following-pittsburghs
It's worth nothing though that Daniel Sepulveda totally whiffed on his effort to pin KC deep. Once more, special teams rears its ugly head at the wrong time.
-Blitzburgh, Behind the Steel Curtain
http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2009/10/26/1100440/steelers-defense-delivers-knockout
* Not to sound overly negative, but I haven't been that impressed by Daniel Sepulveda. He's been fine and a decided upgrade over what the team was getting from the punting game last year in his absence. But he's no Mike Scifres or Shane Lechler. I've still yet to see him really boom or place a punt that made me say 'wow'.
-Blitzburgh, Behind the Steel Curtain
2009 rating: C, better than Rocca but just average.
Option #7: Hunter Smith (Redskins)
Why?:
http://www.hogshaven.com/2010/2/3/1291014/washington-redskins-all-decade
*Note* The following quote is taken from an article concerning the Redskins All Decade team
Note: We did not do a vote on the Punter. Sometimes when you know, you know. Hunter Smith is more than just a punter. He was our Offensive MVP for a while this season, and what other punter has so much swagger that a coach sends him out to execute a fake field goal AFTER the other team calls a time-out to prepare for it? Don't answer that. Having Hunter Smith on this roster makes me feel a lot better about the vote we are about to undertake.
-Sugar, Hogs Haven
http://www.hogshaven.com/2009/12/1/1179975/pour-some-sugar-on-me-the-10-most
Well, I think I nailed this one. Not only has he been a decent punter for us, he has chipped in on offense, accounting for two touchdowns this season. We might have lost the opener against the Giants, but when Hunter scored his touchdown, we were very much alive. And when he threw the touchdown pass to Mike Sellers against the Broncos a few weeks ago, it was the turning point in the game. Yes, I think his performance this season has been very much worthy of a spot on this list. Coincidentally, when he was out, we did not score any touchdowns from the punter position.
-Sugar, Hogs Haven
http://www.hogshaven.com/2009/11/24/1171827/deal-or-no-deal-evaluating-the
His net average ranks in the middle of the pack, but he's an accurate kicker inside the 20, and of course, his 2 TDs equal Moss, Cooley, Yoder, and Betts' TDs for the year.
-KevinE, Hogs Haven
Why not?: He's average in anything dealing with distance.
2009 rating: B, he actually produced beyond his job description and contributed to wins, but his punting was about average.
Why?: He's got decent consistency.
Why not?: So do other punters out there. He's really nothing special and Texans fans on Battle Red Blog are somewhat 50/50 on him returning next season.
2009 rating: C, truly the average Joe.
Option #9: Sav Rocca (Eagles) – RFA
See beginning of article for the all you need to know about Sav.
* = UFA under current CBA, RFA if a new CBA is not reached by March
Then where does that leave us?
My choices, ranked:
1. Michael Koenen
2. Hunter Smith
3. Daniel Sepulveda
Koenen is our best bet at punter. He's very consistent, puts in above average efforts and just plain gets the job done. However, Hunter Smith is the most intriguing choice, seeing as he is more than a punter. Sepulveda is the next best punter, but he is a RFA. I would not touch Berger or Rocca. I'm done with Rocca and Berger may be worse.
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It's all about consistency
I was all for Rocca when he first came here. And when he booms a punt, I love that shit, but i hate when he shanks those 31 yarders or less, plus his direction is terrible. I like Koch from the Ravens. I will take a consistent 42 yard punter and we don’t need a gimmick player (like Hunter Smith). I think Rocca will end up playing here one more year, but if Not I would like to see us obtain Koch.
I thought about Koch, but I thought that Koenen was a much better choice. I can understand your opinion towards Smith, he is a gimmick, but he was also a slightly above average punter last season. Still, you may have a point about Koch over Smith, and you’re definitely right about Koch over Rocca. I wouldn’t be upset if we signed Koch over Rocca.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3wrKSmLhd4 ---> Howard Eskin gets shot by Ronald McDonald?
I'm choosing to hope
that our new special teams coach will teach Roca to be consistent. Normally this late in a player’s age and career you don’t expect them to change but Roca’s only been in the NFL a few years and maybe a new coach can teach him.
It wouldn’t surprise me to see a real competition in training camp with maybe another undrafted FA punter or two brought in for a look.
I don’t even want Rocca back. He may have only had a couple of seasons in the NFL, but I really don’t care at this point. I’m just tired of the inconsistency. When there’s a pretty large market for veteran punters, I’d much rather go after someone who is, and has been, consistent.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3wrKSmLhd4 ---> Howard Eskin gets shot by Ronald McDonald?
If you look at it overall, Rocca really didn’t have a terrible year, but it seemed like he saved his 30 yard shanks for the worst possible times. The closer he was to his own end zone, the shorter the thing went.
I’d classify that as a terrible I don’t care if he gave the defense great field position in some situations, but when the goings got tough, he got shanking. That’s what really matters to me about a punter. I want to kill the opposing offense too, not just help out the defense. Any punter can give the defense some help, but someone who can kill the opposing offense would be great. We haven’t had a punter like that in years.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3wrKSmLhd4 ---> Howard Eskin gets shot by Ronald McDonald?
Can't avoid this one
Any hope of turning Ryan Giggs into a punter?
After all, if he likes Manchester so much, he’ll love Philadelphia by comparison.
I know you’re joking, but his accuracy at corner kicks may actually suit a career as a punter. The only downside is that he’s 36 and is committed to Manchester United until he’s at least 37. I see him playing until 40, at which point I fully expect him to retire from sports as a whole. But hell, if he was to come here, I’d pay whatever it took to watch him play.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3wrKSmLhd4 ---> Howard Eskin gets shot by Ronald McDonald?
Im rec'ing this post
Just because i respect the fact that you went and compiled all those quotes
I'd rather be an Eagles fan till the day i die and go 0-16 every year than be a cockroach cowboys fan
I can't believe you put in all this work for punters
not talking shit, I’m just amazed
nice post, I’d like to see you do a write up at other positions like safety or DE
Thanks for the kind words. I’m going to do kick returners next and then just a generalized return/cover team post (shorter than the other two, though). After that, maybe I’ll do the same for safety or DE. If I move on to those two, then I’ll do an outlook on both free agents, draft choices and internal choices – it’s just a lot of work. Based upon the feedback on this three part series, I’ll think about it, Tbot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3wrKSmLhd4 ---> Howard Eskin gets shot by Ronald McDonald?
Haha
Returners – We really don’t need too much focus at KR since we already have Desean as our PR =)…But since I wouldn’t want Desean to get injured or anything like that, I would say keep Ellis Hobbs for one more year as our KR. I mean, he’s not the best cornerback, but he’s one hell of a KR. And if one of our backs go down (please no knock on wood) then he’s a good backup.
Safety – Keep Macho, I mean, I wasn’t high on him this year since he was a rookie, but at the same time, hopefully if we bring some veteran in here to help him (a GOOD veteran, not a Quintin-Demps-it’s-all-about-me-I-wasn’t-aware-I-needed-to-actually-play-for-a-starting-job…idiot), he can blossom into a reliable safety. Either that, or draft a safety in the draft. I don’t really follow college football, so I have no idea who’s good and who’s not. People say we might take Taylor Mays (whoever he is…)?
DE – Stud DE opposite of Cole. And some LBs as well (not part of DE but I’m talking about the front 7 here). Peppers only if he doesn’t go crazy, he doesn’t cost too much, and he actually produces. We need decent LBs as well, because if we don’t get LBs who can cover, then we are screwed in the division. Witten, Cooley, and Boss are all good, and quite frankly, I think LB is more of a worry than anything else (even with Bradley back).
If I'm goin' to hell, you're coming with me...
we cant lose rocca cause hes are snap holder
Desean Jackson- Im Number 1, the real deal, The 1(0)ne to Watch.
Interview while at Cal.
We can lose him
We can lose him very, very easily. Kolb can hold.
About 10 minutes ago, I was pondering my own existence. Then I decided that it didn't matter.
oh okay, then commence with the stones
Desean Jackson- Im Number 1, the real deal, The 1(0)ne to Watch.
Interview while at Cal.
And if Kolb is (for some reason) the starter...
We can re-sign Detmer again
About 10 minutes ago, I was pondering my own existence. Then I decided that it didn't matter.
by IronHank on Feb 4, 2010 7:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
he he he...
we should get some really fucking athletic Punter…
One who can run the ball and throw decently so we can fuck with the other teams… maybe we need to get that guy who ran for a 40 yard TD last preseason for the Titans.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
Like Madden a little too much?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3wrKSmLhd4 ---> Howard Eskin gets shot by Ronald McDonald?
uh the best football game was 2k5, it had everything and TO was on the cover
best 20 bucks i ever spin lol
Desean Jackson- Im Number 1, the real deal, The 1(0)ne to Watch.
Interview while at Cal.
Madden 2010 > 2k5… finally. Been waiting for a game to drop some cash on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3wrKSmLhd4 ---> Howard Eskin gets shot by Ronald McDonald?
madden 06 to 10 is almost all the same
its the only football game out for nfl, i want to see it improve lol
Desean Jackson- Im Number 1, the real deal, The 1(0)ne to Watch.
Interview while at Cal.
2K5 had boxy movements. Madden perfected the football genre. The only thing 2K5 had that I would like to see Madden have, is being able to play the game from 1st person perspective. That was pretty cool. I like Superstar mode the best though. RB, MLB, and S.
"You know...I think you got the wrong impression about me. I think in all fairness, I should explain to you exactly what it is that I do. For instance, tomorrow morning I'll get up nice and early, and take a walk down over to the bank, walk in and see ya, and uh. If you don't have my money for me, I'll...crack your fuckin head wide open in front of everybody in the bank. And just about the time that I'm coming out of jail...Hopefully you'll be coming out of your coma, and guess what? I'll split your fuckin head open again! Cause I'm fuckin stupid! I don't give a fuck about jail. That's my business. That's what I do." - Joe Pesci in Casino
by Talon Talent on Feb 5, 2010 12:48 AM EST up reply actions
heck yes and it has sport presentation
i wanna see a real ceremony on the superbowl game, make it realer, just not some other football game
Desean Jackson- Im Number 1, the real deal, The 1(0)ne to Watch.
Interview while at Cal.
no im being serious some punter did it for the titans last preseason...
im just saying it’d be cool as shit to see Rocca run like AP.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
This is the most I've ever seen written about punters. Ever.
Nicely compiled and well written. Kudos.
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
Thanks EB. I made more of an effort on this than any I’ve written this year for college.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3wrKSmLhd4 ---> Howard Eskin gets shot by Ronald McDonald?
It is if it helps get me a job in sports journalism :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3wrKSmLhd4 ---> Howard Eskin gets shot by Ronald McDonald?
No, its just more important in general
College is only 4 years. The Eagles are a lifetime pursuit.
About 10 minutes ago, I was pondering my own existence. Then I decided that it didn't matter.
what is this rec I keep reading about?
will someone please explain what it is and how it works? Thanks
"You know...I think you got the wrong impression about me. I think in all fairness, I should explain to you exactly what it is that I do. For instance, tomorrow morning I'll get up nice and early, and take a walk down over to the bank, walk in and see ya, and uh. If you don't have my money for me, I'll...crack your fuckin head wide open in front of everybody in the bank. And just about the time that I'm coming out of jail...Hopefully you'll be coming out of your coma, and guess what? I'll split your fuckin head open again! Cause I'm fuckin stupid! I don't give a fuck about jail. That's my business. That's what I do." - Joe Pesci in Casino
by Talon Talent on Feb 5, 2010 12:49 AM EST up reply actions
REC stands for Recommend. When a post is good, we REC it. Below his post you will see Email, Print, Rec, and Flag. Click REC to recommend posts. 5 recs gets a post to the recommended posts section.
You can also REC comments. Next to reply, it says actions. Clicking action will bring up Rec and Flag. 3 recs makes a comment turn green.
thanks for the insight route.
"You know...I think you got the wrong impression about me. I think in all fairness, I should explain to you exactly what it is that I do. For instance, tomorrow morning I'll get up nice and early, and take a walk down over to the bank, walk in and see ya, and uh. If you don't have my money for me, I'll...crack your fuckin head wide open in front of everybody in the bank. And just about the time that I'm coming out of jail...Hopefully you'll be coming out of your coma, and guess what? I'll split your fuckin head open again! Cause I'm fuckin stupid! I don't give a fuck about jail. That's my business. That's what I do." - Joe Pesci in Casino
Hunter Smith
I would not be surprised if the Eagles sign Hunter Smith. Bobby April loves his gimmicky guys on special teams, and he is definitely consistent enough. But, there is a possibility this guy they already brought in my have enough to take the job.
Good post
I would have liked to seen some stats for the other guys and their previous work the past year/two but nice post.
Punter is one secondary area where I am hoping the Eagles can improve this offseason without large cost or a high draft pick. Doesn’t seem like many viable alternatives to Rocca on the FA market though.
Sadly, I think Rocca is back here next year even though like you said he is just an average punter at best and at this point due to several reasons (age, previous numbers) isn’t likely to improve much at all. Stuck with a run-of-the-mill option at best.
Fantastic Post!!!
This is the stuff worth reading, especially in the slow part of the off season.
Thanks for a breath of fresh air!!!
Rec’d
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
OUR SOLUTION FOR PUNTER
FREDDIE MITCHELL.
Enough said.
All I want to hear is him saying “I want to thank my feet for being so great”
child please
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