Scouts Inc evaluates Kevin Kolb
by JasonB on Feb 16, 2010 5:41 PM EST
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PrintWith the rumors of the Cleveland Browns' interest in Kevin Kolb making the rounds, ESPN's AFC North blog reached out to Matt Williamson of Scouts Inc for an evaluation of young Eagle QB.
"He’s been very impressive in limited snaps, going back to preseason. Although last year he got thrown into action when [Donovan] McNabb got benched against the Baltimore Ravens, and he looked horrible. But that was the worst-case scenario for the poor guy, too, to go into the second half against one of the best defenses in the league with no preparation. So you tend to wash that away. But since then Kolb has really stepped it up, and I am high on him. I think he can make every throw. He's a quick decision-maker, and he's a good enough athlete. Kolb has everything you want physically, and the ball comes out of his hand really nice. He has an awful lot of upside, almost like a Matt Schaub when he was in Atlanta or Aaron Rodgers in Green Bay [waiting] behind Brett Favre. Kolb just needs to get a crack at it. I kind of feel like he's the next guy to be breaking out, either with his present team or with a new team. Considering what some of the teams are starting in this league, I would start Kolb today, still being more of an unknown, over 10 or 12 starting quarterbacks for sure."
If you buy this scout's evaluation, Kolb doesn't sound like a guy you want to give up.
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Damn I was literally going to Fanpost this then I saw you had beat me to it...
Oh well, here my 2 cents worth… I dont want Kolb to leave, I think he pretty good and he needs to start next year.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
Fair assessment
It still kind of baffles me though how scouts & media (even Dittinger) were so down on Kolb last year and then in some pretty limited time this year he suddenly becomes the heir apparent & is untradeable.
Truth is probably somewhere in between. Personally, I hope he is better than Schaub because it would be a waste of some talented skill players on this team and the Eagles would be mired in that 8 to 10 win category if Kolb’s upside is Schaub.
Dude...
I would be really happy if he is the next Matt Shaub. The Texans have no ground game and poor defense. Also…we have NOT seen Kolb make every throw like the “scout” is inferring.
by Route36 on Feb 16, 2010 6:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Schaub vs. Kolb
I guess I meant prior to Schaub this year. This was really the first year the Schaub lived up to his billing including staying healthy and productive through out the entire season.
It would be really interesting to have a QB in Reid’s pass-happy system who completes 66-67% of his passes and is better at moving his progressions more rapidly.
Lol the irony
we had 44-6
you had 58-14
now we want an eagles SuperBowl win in Dallas next season
by maximdim on Feb 16, 2010 10:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Haha...EvilBanner...
Insert (Bowie knife-hog joke) here.
by Route36 on Feb 16, 2010 11:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Will it be sponsored by Skoal...
…will Dale Jr. win the pole at Talledega? These questions and more deserve to be answered!
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
No, I'd rather him be like Aaron Rodgers...
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
It's a tough call...
… if Reid trades McNabb to start Kolb, and he doesn’t work out, then it’s going to be considered one of the biggest bonehead moves in Philly history. But on the flip side, if he trades Kolb and he becomes a superstar elsewhere, then it’s going to be considered one of the biggest bonehead moves in Philly history. Basically, whomever Reid chooses has to do a good job for Reid to not look like an ass. That being said, I think the Eagles should trade McNabb if they feel they can get good value for him. Roll the dice on the young kid, he seems to have what it takes. Remember what Harbaugh said about him,
``All I know is I saw Kevin Kolb every day in practice for the year I was the secondary coach when he was the guy going against the defense as the scout team quarterback,’’ Harbaugh said. ``When we did red zone, we couldn’t defend him. I mean he’d run the red zone offense for the team we were going to play. We had the No. 1-ranked red-zone defense in the league 2 years ago. And we couldn’t stop Kevin Kolb. Throwing to Mike Gasperson every day in practice. He picked us apart. (The coaches) love him. He’s got all the tools. He’s a leader. He’s tough. He plays the game the right way.’’
I wouldn’t say that if McNabb was traded & Kolb doesn’t pan out becomes a bonehead move for A.R. The birds would be getting something in return for 5. McNabb will be 34 & isn’t going to stay in Philly forever, so why not get what you can for him when his value is still relatively high.
I agree...
There are a ton of scenarios that can happen, I was just going with the most basic/obvious. I trust AR and his ability to make quality personnel moves, but if we trade McNabb and we are stuck without a quality QB for a few years, Reid will be persecuted by every media outlet in America. Will I fault him? No, because he had balls and he did what he thought was right. But at the same time, yes, because he sees the kid every day in practice and should know if he’s ready for a starting role. My point is that it’s pretty much a double edged sort at this point.
no way in hell kolb is getting traded...even for the first pick in the first round
mark my words, the only qb that gets traded this offseason wears number 7…and THATS IT
"If I can get you to think twice, I'm in your head."
-Brian Dawkins
If everyone values Kolb around the league
why the hell do they think we would trade him?
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
Because we have a proven QB here
And a better one at that.
Reid- Best Coach in Eagles History
McNabb- Best QB in Eagles History
This is the year
He's proven to be a good QB
and thats it. It’s funny, you guys want to claim that he is top 10, but then when we treat him like top 10 and put blame on him as if he were at top 10 you all get defensive. Mcnabb is not top 10 anymore.
by Team Serbia on Feb 17, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
i kind of think they’ll extend kolb after vick is traded and let mcnabb play out his last year here. he’s old and deserves one more shot at a superbowl with this team and would retire after I think. he’s been getting paid a lot so he’s financially set and seems like a guy who wouldn’t have too much trouble hanging up his kleets and being an ESPN personality.
Why does he deserve "one more shot"
I don’t get that. Where does that come from? We gave him over 100 million dollars over the years and a 10 year career here. He’s old and our offense is youthful and talented. Why do we think our old aging declining in skills deserves a shot? Just for the fun of it?
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
and get nothing for him....
1 more year and get nothing for him when he leaves?
the 1 more year argument seems idiotic. We need to trade McNabb or Kolb and get value for them now before they walk away for nothing.
hahah i totally agree with you on every one of your comments on mcnabb
eff you we winning anyway
A.I. IS BACKKKKKKK
Where does this opinion come from that
just because our skill position players are young that our QB should be too.
Let's get it Birds.
by homestar2281 on Feb 16, 2010 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
"Deserves got nothing to do with it."
It’s not like he’s a horse and they’re sending him to the glue factory, he can have a shot with whatever team he goes to. I think this is the perfect time for both parties to part ways with both ego and dignity intact.
i had an audible lol at this :
It’s not like he’s a horse and they’re sending him to the glue factory,
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
Best ending to a movie....
….ever! Especially when he’s riding out of town and threatens to kill their wives, children and dogs if they shoot at him, lol.
So what i gather is he’s aging and declining in skills but has at least 3 years left. you dont have to sit high and might in your swivel chair and act like you know better than everyone and throw out words like idiotic over an opinion. we have 12 picks do we really need another in exchange for our top 10 qb when we’re more likely going to trade vick for picks. Unless an eliter player is thrown in the trade then why lose mcnabb who has gotten us deep into the playoffs and gamble on Kolb. He’d be 35 after next year I doubt he’d even go to another team.
A team can never have enough picks. The Eagles front office has done a great job in the past with trading down/up their draft picks to set themselves up in following years. It’s a business plain and simple, and the Eagles have proved that over the Reid era, they have no qualms about cutting/trading a player regardless of their popularity with the Philly faithful. I just can’t see the Eagles restructuring the last two years of McNabb’s contract so that he gets more money, then turn around and let him become an UFA or even worse, sign him to a long term deal. But who knows? Nobody really. Maybe they have a grand scheme for 2012 just in case there is no football in 2011, lol.
My favourite movie ending ever is also an Eastwood
but it’s the standoff scene at the graveyard in Good the Bad and the Ugly…
If we give McNabb one more year we could still retain him with the franchise tage and then trade him. But I agree with the people who say this is the last year his value is still pretty good, next year he’ll be worth significantly less.
My "t" and "y" buttons are messed up so don't bitch at me about misspelling, I'm just saying.
by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on Feb 16, 2010 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
Kolb vs. McNabb
Kolb showed last year he is a very good QB that has moments of greatness. McNabb has, on the other hand, showed us that over the last ten years he is a great QB sliding to just a good one. I have not yet given up hope on McNabb but I think that Kolb definitely deserves a shot at greatness.
Moments of greatness?
That is a little over the top. He showed that he could play adequately and do some real positives. Hard to draw much of a conclusion though from 2-3 partial games. I would agree with this if he had started 5-6 games and posted similiar numbers.
Kolb showed...
…that he doesn’t suck all the time. That’s about it.
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
What?
He has shown moments of greatness. He has just played “adequately.” He has played fantasic at points.
Reid- Best Coach in Eagles History
McNabb- Best QB in Eagles History
This is the year
What I am saying
is that I agree with what Ralphd58 said about bone head moves. Kolb has shown that he is a good QB but defenses weren’t prepared for him. He has a good skill set but is the FO that sold on him, only time will tell.
by Cowboy KILLER on Feb 17, 2010 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
Everyone who says McNabb might retire after next year is an idiot. He’s in better shape than most linebackers. QBs are playing older and older and he’s still playing at a high level. You look around the league and McNabb is still in the top 10.
Think about that.
He’s one of the 10 best in the world at the most demanding individual position on any team sport.
Manning is older. Brady is 8 months younger. Kurt Warner is retiring at 37 after another very productive season. Favre just had the best year of his life at 40. I’m not saying McNabb is on the same level as they are, but he’s productive and just lead the Eagles offense to the second season in a row where they broke their franchise scoring record. What more can he do than that?
What other proof does there need to be that he can still play and shows no signs of wanting to hang up the cleats? I’ve only been an Eagles fan since the season before McNabb was drafted, but I’ve watched a lot of press conferences and a lot of football games. McNabb does not strike me as someone ready to retire anytime soon.
I am the people's troll :3™
yeah
I agree, unless McNabb gets badly injured he isn’t retiring any time soon.
Let's get it Birds.
by homestar2281 on Feb 16, 2010 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
And, perhaps most amusingly,
People want Kevin Kolb to start. That’s the part that gets me. Remember when Steve Perry left Journey? Then that other guy started singing for them? I don’t remember them having any more #1 hits. Kevin Kolb is that other guy.
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
I wouldn’t be surprised if the Eagles start McNabb all next year or move McNabb and go with Kolb. Both sides are justifiable. But saying McNabb is close to retirement is ludicrous.
I am the people's troll :3™
Calling it unlikely is one thing but calling it ludicrous or idiotic is over doing it. If you watch all the PCs as you say, then you heard Mcnabb say he wants to retire an Eagle countless times. Unless, he has a great year next season, I highly doubt he will get an extension. If there is truth to his words, then his only option is to retire an Eagle. I think its unlikely he is retiring after next season too but it is not guaranteed he will keep playing either.
by Route36 on Feb 16, 2010 9:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
it's pretty close to a guarentee he plays, and its well beyond unlikely he doesn't
My "t" and "y" buttons are messed up so don't bitch at me about misspelling, I'm just saying.
by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on Feb 16, 2010 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
Saying he wants to retire an Eagle doesn’t mean he will retire the second he’s not offered an extension, it just means he’d prefer to play the entirety of his career in Philly. If he’s not ready to retire and he still thinks he can play and another team still thinks he can play, he’ll consider it as long as that team isn’t Oakland or something.
I am the people's troll :3™
Hmm...not exactly
A straw man fallacy is predicated on actually ignoring someone else’s actual position, misrepresenting their position, or intentionally oversimplifing their position. I am not ignoring the Kolbians. Their position is pretty clear. By directly comparing Kevin Kolb to the other guy in Journey and, by inference, comparing Donovan McNabb to Steve Perry, many sound philosophical moves were made. “Don’t Stop Believin,” Jason.
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
Whatever the FO does Pretty sure it will work out for our TEAM!!
To be honest its not gonna take Payton Manning to make out Offense look good!!
We have TALENT in all Skills Position’s (Offense)!!!
we just need someone to move the chains and not throw picks!! (McChoke passes are to the ground, last time I checked the grass or turf can’t catch = McNabb not having high INT. Ratio!) We run a west coast offense without a westcoast QB!!??
McNabb SUCKS! He needs a new start with a different offense!! (mostly a team with a running game or attempts atleast more than 10 carries a game!)
Best bet is we KEEP KOLB! I would love to bring all 3 QBs back and we enter training camp this offseason with QB position up for grabs!! LOL what a circus that would be!!?? LOL LOL
by Eaglesrthebest on Feb 17, 2010 12:02 AM EST reply actions
Contract talks
You would figure that Kolb’s agent will be asking for starter like money in contract talks on the basis he could be a starter next season (either with the Eagles or another team).
So let’s assume that McNabb stays and starts for another year and the Eagles make the playoffs and win say one game.
Will this become groundhog day again in a year’s time with we need to extend and keep McNabb as he is getting us close to the SB and we cannot trust an inexperienced QB in Kolb or will you say McNabb has had enough time we need to see what Kolb can do.
At some point you will need to replace McNabb and it could easily become the Favre/Rodgers scenario where the coaches have to make a tough call on when to move on. Rodgers may have had a tough first year as a starter in 2008 but no one is complaining about his 2009 season.
by G Fan in England on Feb 17, 2010 4:06 AM EST reply actions
he was good in 2008, the defense just sucked. in 2008 he passed for over 4,000 yards, 28 TDs and 13 INTs with a 63.6% completion percentage. in 2009, he was just ridiculously good.
No one know
how good Rodgers was going to be as he sat behind Favre all that time. The Packers took an educated gamble that he was going to be the real deal and started him and it paid off.
So if AR thinks Kolb is the real deal he needs to start him sooner rather than later because otherwise it could be a year wasted.
by G Fan in England on Feb 17, 2010 9:01 AM EST up reply actions
I was disagreeing with you saying that rodgers had a tough first year as a starter, as he played well. I can’t understand why people think the packers sucked because favre was not QB, when rodgers played fantastically well. Unless favre was going to start making tackles, it didn’t matter who was QB for the pack in 2008.
The reason the Packers sucked Rodgers first year as a starter had NOTHING to do with him. They had a joke of a running game and if I remember correctly the defense gave up about 100 points more than they did the year before.
I am the people's troll :3™
That sounds familiar.
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
I did mean
that the Packers did not make the playoffs in Rodgers first year.
I get the feeling that some Eagles fans believe that if Kolb starts in 2010 you will miss the playoffs in 2010.
The point I was trying to make albeit badly was that a dropoff one year could result in a better upswing in later years.
by G Fan in England on Feb 18, 2010 3:56 AM EST up reply actions
dude...
i am starting to think that this giants fan is actually an eagles fan pretending to be a giants fan with how much he posts on here
It does seem that way
I am intrigued by your 3 headed QB position and how the front office compared to the fans beieve it will play out.
Only yesterday the rumours were Vick will be released, Rams interested in Vick and Vick will be with the Eagles until preseason.
Sadly the Giants have no such major headlines this offseason other than drafting a safety and replacing AP. Even the Cowboys are getting less press than the Eagles which must be driving JJ mad!
by G Fan in England on Feb 18, 2010 4:00 AM EST up reply actions
Vick will not be released. The Eagles will not have signed him to get absolutely nothing out of him, that I am sure of. He either gets traded before the draft (90% chance in my opinion) or retained, even if they have to pay a little more than they expected.
If he somehow makes it through the draft and into preseason without being traded, I still think offers will be made for him. I just don’t see why someone would wait until the preseason to make a move for a guy like Vick, whom you would want to carefully design your offense around, not just throw into any old offense.
I am the people's troll :3™
I agree
at this time of the offseason the rumour mill is in overdrive and us the fans can only speculate on what might happen.
Is Vick due a roster bonus on 5 March? If so is the draft pick you might get for him worth what you will pay Vick and the player you draft.
by G Fan in England on Feb 18, 2010 5:55 AM EST up reply actions
"No Tickie No Laundry"
the biggest problems I have with McNabb is that a) i don’t think he’s a leader and b) i don’t think he’s clutch. Yes there are arguments to be made about his accuracy, or playing in the right system to suit his strengths. Bottom line is that McNabb’s value is high right now and Eagles would likely get a 1st round pick for him. If Kolb is the real deal is yet to be determined, but without a shot we’ll never know if he’s the next Aaron Rodgers or Matt Schaub. No risk no reward. We didn’t draft him 36th overall, with our first pick of the 2007 draft, to be a career backup. Let the kid play.
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