Torn ACL Success Stories
by Route36 on Feb 12, 2010 2:03 AM EST
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PrintOn my previous fan post, Top 5 Current Brightest Spots on the Team, there were some people disagreeing with my decision to add Stewart Bradley as a bright spot, particularly MacJack09(Don't mean to call you out like that bro). I was going to post this as a comment but decided this was too important and everyone needed to know this. This was one of MacJack's comments....
That whole BS "He’s 100% healthy", it doesn’t happen. I mean if someone can provide me with a laundry list of players who have come back "100%" after an ACL tear, then I’ll stand corrected.
Well....after some extensive research, here is my list of ten of those players.
1. RB Jamal Lewis: Torn ACL in 2001. Bounced back in 2002 to rush for 1327 yards with a 4.3 avg. Then in 2003 rushed for 2066 yards with a 5.3 avg.
2. WR Jerry Rice: Torn ACL in 1997. Returned in 1998 and had 82 receptions for 1157 yards at 34 years old. Had two more 1100+ yard seasons in 2001 and 2002.
3. ILB Nick Barnett: Torn ACL in 2008. Came back in 2009 and racked up 105 tackles, 4 sacks, and 7 passes defended.
4. QB Tom Brady: Torn ACL in 2008. Returned in 2009 and passed for 4398 yards with a 65.7 comp pct and 7.8 avg.
5. SS Roman Harper: Torn ACL rookie year in 2006. Rebounded following year in 2007 with 90 tackles, 4 sacks, 8 passes defended and 3 INT. Just recently had 102 tackles in 2009.
6. RB Edgerrin James: Torn ACL in 2001. Following year in 2002, rushed for 989 in 14 games. In 2003, rushed for 1289 yards, then had back to back 1500+ yard seasons in '04 and '05.
7. WR Braylon Edwards: Torn ACL rookie year in 2005. Solid year in 2006 with 61 catches and 884 yards. Pro bowler in 2007 with 80 catches for 1289 yards.
8. RB Willis Mcgahee: Torn ACL in the bowl game before being drafted. Missed entire rookie season in 2003 and bounced back next season with 1128 yards rushing with a 4.0 ypc.
9. RB Frank Gore: Tore his left ACL in 2001 while in college. Rehabbed all of 2002, returned in 2003 only to tear his right ACL. Returned following year after switching jersey numbers and rushed for 1000+ yards in his last college year. In his rookie year in 2005, as a part timer, rushed for 608 yards with a 4.8 ypc. Following year in 2006, rushed for 1695 yards with a 5.4 ypc.
10. QB Donovan Mcnabb: Torn ACL in Week 11 of 2006 season. Returned following season and in 14 games passed for 3324 yards, 61.5 comp. pct and 7.0 avg.
*Honorable Mention: RB Correll Buckhalter: Two torn ACLs in his career. Recently rushed for 642 yards with a 5.4 average in 7 starts with Denver.
So guys.....don't worry about Stu. It is not impossible to return to form just one year from a torn ACL.
Can't wait to see more of that next season!
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Thanks for this.
Good post, good argument, good support.
Here’s hoping Stu can be added to your list.
Rec’d.
Veritas Liberabit Te
indeed.
"it's like i tell my ex-wife, i never drive faster than i can see, and besides it's all in the reflexes." -Jack Burton, Big trouble in little China
This is completely embarassing...
but i dont remember beating the saints recently… must have been 2007
It seems they have had our number every other time in the last 4 or 5 years
I'd rather be an Eagles fan till the day i die and go 0-16 every year than be a cockroach cowboys fan
oh yea - that was the game of the Donnie Mac 50 yard fumble TD to Kevin Curtis
I'd rather be an Eagles fan till the day i die and go 0-16 every year than be a cockroach cowboys fan
I had to find that play...
Now I remember..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8UjBD-r-t4&NR=1&feature=fvwp
Rec'd
I remember seeing somewhere that if this surgery is done correctly, the ACL will actually be stronger than it was before. I think I might have read that on here a while back.
Here's hoping for a better 2010...
RIP JJ, Steve, The Rev, and last but not least, Goodbye Dawkins ):
that's an iffy statement...
but I like your optimism!
About 10 minutes ago, I was pondering my own existence. Then I decided that it didn't matter.
yeah if that were the case they'd just tear eveybody's in high school and then redo them to make them stronger
I'd rather be an Eagles fan till the day i die and go 0-16 every year than be a cockroach cowboys fan
Yes.
It is definitely not true that the ACL will be better after surgery. Tommy John surgery, the surgery to which eaglemaniac was probably referring, can actually cause a pitcher to throw harder after the surgery (but this is a case of the pitcher’s frayed tendon being replaced, not an increase in performance from the “new” tendon). But Route36 makes a good point, with advances in surgery, a torn ACL does not need to end an athlete’s career, and in some instances, as pointed out above, a player can return to Pro Bowl status. Interestingly, a torn meniscus can have a more dramatic impact on a player’s career than an ACL. If you’re interested, I’ve provided a link.
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/706012
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
I wasn't referring to Tommy John...
I was probably thinking about Ingram there. I’m sure you heard about his knee situation. The meniscus thing does seem very interesting. I had a friend tear his meniscus this past June training for XC. It still bothers him. By chance would you recommend a membership to medscape?
Here's hoping for a better 2010...
RIP JJ, Steve, The Rev, and last but not least, Goodbye Dawkins ):
by eaglemaniac814 on Feb 12, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
I think
that’s the case with Cornelius Ingram only because it was repaired poorly the first time
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
That's with I was probably thinking...
I’m pretty sure it was repaired poorly so he could perform at the combine. The Eagles knew that they were drafting a guy who would more than likely tear it again in training camp.
Here's hoping for a better 2010...
RIP JJ, Steve, The Rev, and last but not least, Goodbye Dawkins ):
by eaglemaniac814 on Feb 13, 2010 12:36 AM EST up reply actions
I remember that game, if they won that game they would have made the playoffs. But they didnt…..
The road to Easy Street goes through the sewer.
- John Madden
Yeah
We beat em, like thirty something- to twenty something. But, like Joe_D said, we finished 8-8, albeit winning our final three against the Saints, Cowboys, and Bills.
Celek was pretty much discovered in that Bills game. His first TD!
by LegendKnight22 on Feb 12, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah.
That was a fun December. Finish season on three game winning streak, kicking 13-3 Cowboys asses, kicking Saints out of playoffs, and keeping Bills under .500. Plus we were the first team to put a real scare on the 16-0 Patriots.
Too bad we lost as least five games by 8 points or less that season…
RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
Kurt Warner: HOF Class of 2015
Lol, whoops.
Didn’t see you say all those things already…
What Imp said, basically.
by LegendKnight22 on Feb 12, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
people forget we were that close to beating the Pats
and with Feeley under center! All I keep hearing is how the Giants and Ravens almost beat them…but no one talks about the Eagles giving them a run for their money
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
GREAT WHITE HYPE!!
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Feb 12, 2010 9:01 AM EST reply actions
Well done!
That’s some definitive proof if I ever saw it. Gives me hope not just for Bradley, but for Ingram too. (Less hope for Ingram since it could be a chronic thing, though they did say his last surgery was done poorly or incorrectly.)
Cornelius
Ingram would love to read this post.
About 10 minutes ago, I was pondering my own existence. Then I decided that it didn't matter.
Nice
Good to see some reasons to hope Bradley comes back strong. He’s badly needed.
If my mother put on a helmet and shoulder pads and a uniform that wasn't the same as the one I was wearing, I'd run over her if she was in my way. And I love my mother. - Bo Jackson
Don't forget Stacy Andrews...
Torn ACL in 2008, came back fat in 2009.
I dont know what it is about your face,
[holds up fist]
but I just wanna deliver one of these right in your suck hole.
It doesn’t mean EVERYONE will be a success story, I was just proving it is very possible to be back to form the next season. I guess it all depends on your body makeup and determination to get better. With the reports that came out in January about Bradley, it’s looking good.
Eagles MLB Stewart Bradley (torn ACL, injured reserve) “appeared perfectly healthy” when spotted at the team complex on Monday.
Bradley’s loss was the initial uppercut to a Philly linebacker corps that’s been ravaged by injuries all year. Now five months removed from the injury, the silver lining is that Bradley should be ready for the starting of 2010 camp.
THE EAGLES’ DEFENSE regrouped at NovaCare yesterday, and Stewart Bradley was there, too, working through his rehab, looking perfectly healthy, 5 months after ACL surgery.
Chill man.....
It was just a fat joke,thats all. I for one agree with your post and hope that Stew comes back and kicks some ass.
I dont know what it is about your face,
[holds up fist]
but I just wanna deliver one of these right in your suck hole.
Thats wrong
He had his surgury week 16/17 of 2008, so by the start of training camp he was like 3-4 months remove from surgury. Next year will be his come back year.
by Team Serbia on Feb 12, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
no he didnt...
he had it in january….2009..
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Feb 12, 2010 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
i meant week 16/17 of the 2008 season
But yea.. same thing
it's not the same thing....
he had it in the second week of january after the bengals season was over….week 17 was the 26th of december….thats almost 3 weeks after the season…
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Feb 13, 2010 4:56 AM EST up reply actions
Never ever
Put an Andrews bro in the same category as Bradley. He’s got a completely different (much better) mentality, and that has a lot to do with how well you come back.
Thanks for the comps and recs guys...
If the world turns upside down and we don’t sign Peppers, I won’t feel as much concerned about signing Kampman as I did before.
The thing about ACL injuries is
The earlier in the season your injury, the better chance you have of being 100% the next season. The conventional wisdom about ACL tears is that you need 12 full calendar months before you’re healthy. Players can try to come back earlier than that, but it leads to issues (see: Culpepper, Duante, circa 2006 Miami Dolphins) This is why Jamaal Jackson’s ACL worries me far more than Stew Bradley’s does. Bradley has a good chance to be back 100% next year. I have a fear that Jackson is going to struggle significantly.
It’s also why I still hold out some hope for Stacy Andrews in 2010 (though he’s on a short rope through training camp obviously)
I think Stacy will impress
I don’t think we’ll see Jamaal next year
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
great optimism
don’t listen to people saying negative things about your stance on bradley’s return. anyone who wants to be a raincloud can go lie face down in a ditch. let’s hope for the best!!!
You can play after 12 months but your really not 100% til about 18 months.
All these guys who come back from ACLs should donate big chunks of change to the players of the 60s and 70s who were the guinea pigs for learning how to do theses surgeries. It was perfected on these guys. By the way Emmitt had ACL repaired in college.
KICK ASS every day!!!
I give you props
I stand corrected on some of these. There are a few I disagree with though no offense. For one, I won’t give the QB’s because that is the most stationary position in the NFL. My QB in high school tore his ACL his sophomore year and went on to still go to college after much recovery. Matter of fact he’s at Mizzou (Blaine Gabbert). So I won’t give you the QB. I also won’t give you Braylon Edwards because his injury was never classified as a full ACL tear by the team officially and there is a big difference between a partial and full tear. I also won’t give Buckhalter based on we never seen what he was fully capable off prior to the injuries. I will give you all of the others. But the thing that bothers me about it most is…look at where most of them are at now. By the time they are 30, most of there careers are over. That’s what I mean when I say someone isn’t the same after their ACL tears. And I don’t chalk it up to being the age 30 is when they start going downhill saying.
Look, I’m not saying Bradley won’t be ok coming back from his ACL tear, what I am saying is…expecting him to come back and be a sudden All-Pro (like most are expecting) is kinda foolish. And its not like the guy was this top 10 LB in the first place. What I am saying is, I’m going to take the “I believe it when I see it” approach. I’m going to be pessimistic about his return until he shows me that I have nothing to worry about. If he comes back and has this sudden 130, 140, blah blah tackle season….awesome. I would love to eat my words in this situation…I would love to be wrong when it comes to him. But until its done, I will have a timid attitude toward him. Fair enough?
Yup. I just wanted to prove it was possible to return to 100% after a torn ACL. Even if you take out the QBs and Braylon, 7 out of 10 still supported my point. Buck was an “honorable mention” lol.
But the thing that bothers me about it most is…look at where most of them are at now. By the time they are 30, most of there careers are over.
Well, for running backs, torn ACL or not, it’s common for their careers to end in their early 30s. For WRs, Jerry kept on going at age 34. The others(subtracting QBs) are still too young to judge yet.
As for Bradley’s case, you’re right, we have to see it to believe it, even though I’m optimistic.
Just dont hit the panic button when he struggles early.
By the time of the late season playoff push he should be back up to speed. (Barring setbacks)
KICK ASS every day!!!
by squidlo97 on Feb 12, 2010 4:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
agreed
"I think pro athletes should be forced to use steroids. I think we as fans deserve the greatest athletes science can create."- Daniel Tosh
If Football Had A Church , Brian Dawkins Would Be My Preacher. -NPK
by NorthPhillyKid on Feb 25, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
classy response!
some guys get defensive…you guys handled a debate well
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
seriously , if only every debate would be handled like this lol
"I think pro athletes should be forced to use steroids. I think we as fans deserve the greatest athletes science can create."- Daniel Tosh
If Football Had A Church , Brian Dawkins Would Be My Preacher. -NPK
by NorthPhillyKid on Feb 25, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
Eh notice how most of them were spectacularly gifted athletes before the injury..
not saying Bradley isnt gifted, but he’s not as athletically gifted at those mentioned above and you only had like 2-3 defensive players…
I think Bradley will be fine but you gotta look at all the failures that come w/ an ACL injury.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
Dejuan Blair of the San Antonio Spurs has no ACLs (I have no idea how that works). Thats 20x more impressive than any of those guys coming back from tears.
Im not worried about Stu. Ingram on the other hand…
He must've torn them both and just played with it... He prolly gets cortozone shots before every
practice or game.. My dad friend played at applachen state in the late 60’s and early 70’s and tore his ACL freshman year and played the rest of the time without one, they just gave him those shots right into the back of his knee and he wouldnt feel a thing..
If you can guess, he’s had his knee replaced at this point, I suspect the same or simular problems will be present in Dejuan Blair’s future.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
I dont think you can play anything without it.
Behind the leg, (behind bones) you have 2 thick ass ligaments that criss cross. When 1 or both are torn you have no stabilty in the knee. Normally the lower leg moves forward and back at the joint. Without those Ligaments it want to move side to side as well. It is not condusive running and cutting.
KICK ASS every day!!!
IF you have a brace theoritically you can play, it stops the side to side movement you dont want
and allows you to have a full range of motion front and back… My dads friend used a brace and cortozone shots and still played.
Point being you can come back from it and you can be successful, its just very unlikely due to the mental aspect not the physical. Its the misconception of “you’ll never be 100%” that gets into people heads which causes them to be tenitive and when your tenitive in football your going to (1) get hurt again and (2) suck very badly.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
DeJaun Blair's case
Is he had scar tissue removed from his knee originally and eventually his ACLs both eventually deteriorated in due time. So in essence he is walking on pins and needles with his knees. It is possible to play without them, but you need extremely strong legs and can only take minimal contact in the area. Reason being because the the muscles and tendons in his legs, where the ACL would normally stabilize, have to pick up where the ACL left off. Think of it like 10 people playing on a defense, but not missing a beat…at least until someone is finally able to expose it. He pretty much has to go into every game with hopes and prayers because the slightest wrong stomp, cut, or landing can end his career. I’m guessing the muscle in his legs slowly learned to adapt to it making his ability to do it fairly smooth which is amazing in itself. The scary thing is his future. As he gets older, the lack of a stable and basic structure will eventually show its face and could put him in a wheel chair permanently in the short future.
It's actually fascinating
But I’m speaking from a medical stand point rather than a practical. It probably would have been best for him to take the safe route and go for a life outside of sports, but I can’t say anything against a guy chasing his dream. It just scares me (and apparently most teams) that one wrong movement could completely end his sports career. But he’s an natural optimist and I have to give him my regards for that.
I didn't think you could walk without an ACL.
So much for my medical knowledge.
I was walking 2-3 days after tearing mine.. Running 5 days later then was jump
roping a week after then cut cut open 9 days later.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
Ever consider a career as an Eagles linebacker?
or Center? Or Wide Receiver?
:)
ummm... IDK if I would want to play in the NFL expecially with the eagles
you’d start screaming and going after me and I’d eventually end up hating you which in turn forces me to hate myself which in the end will bring to to Cris Carter-ing which will eventually send me to the Vikings where Ill do some special shit and eventually retire and go work for ESPN where my Coke problem gets me fired just to get picked up by Godell who goes father of the year on me just like he did vick…
No but really I dont think im good enough to play in the NFL, plus im really not sure that I’d want to, I’d rather get my schooling done, become a pilot and join the Navy so I can blow shit up.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
Well now,
it sounds like you have thought this out and have a plan.
:)
Yep, my plan's a bit more detailed than that
but if the eagles were to call I’d say “hell yeah”.. then I’d proceed to be the practice dummy for the team I love and enjoy every minute of the pain…
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
It doesn't sound
Like you had a complete ACL tear. Which is why it might be better than before. Sounds more like a partial to 80% tear.
No, It tore completely in the middle when my
tibia when back and to the left, then when it slid back together the part that attaches to the femur tore of the bone, so I had essentially 2 tears and a piece of my ACL floating around…
No, it clearly feels pretty good now, not saying its a 100%, the doctor said it wont reach that point till about 2 years out but if feels damn good.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
Well remember
In 2007, Dennis Dixon played most of the first half of the Arizona State game with torn ACL. He even took off for a 39 yard TD. But once he had to take a hard cut, it was over. Depending on the severity of the tear, you can still do somethings. When Bradley tore his ACL at the practice, he got up and walked, remember?
What you’re thinking about when someone can’t walk is when they tear their MCL along with the ACL, which is very common. Matter of fact, its more common to tear your ACL and MCL then to just tear you ACL alone. When someone does something like that, that is when you have to worry about their career. If Bradley had torn both his ACL and MCL then I would have no hope at all for him…period. But since he only tore his ACL, I’m just pessimistic. The biggest question regarding ACL tears is severity. If it is a full tear or not. That’s what I am questioning about Stew. Was his a complete tear of the ACL? Or was his just a partial tear that they didn’t want to risk fully tearing for the sake of his future?
Dont forget that like 90% of the time
when you tear your ACL and MCL your miniscus normally goes along with it. Its nicknamed the horrible trifecta or something like that
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
Well the meniscus
Doesn’t really go along with it much it is just damaged do to the loss of so much support. Kind of like a game of Jinga, except the leg doesn’t fall apart. The lateral meniscus to be exact. Originally it was thought to be the medial meniscus, but that was later proved false. Oh and its actually called “The Unhappy Triad.” But close enough.
that's what it was...
I learned about it in sports med at school…
But whatever it is it seems like hell.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
Couple of points
As someone who works with a ton of healthcare data, it is a fairly disingenuous to just supply a list of random players over a random time period to determine whether or not a medical treatment was successful/not. This is a nice starting place but you would really have to get a bit more feedback here from orthopedics surgeon who specializes in sports medicine to get a better perspective.
For the record, if you tear you ACL it is never “100%” again and there are always some structural weaknesses that will be there regardless of how gifted your surgeon is, how well the surgery goes, and the amount of rehab. Orphopedic surgery though has come a long ways though for both reducing the time of recooperation and increasing the success of these surgeries even in the last 10-15 years.
I dont agree with this
if you tear you ACL it is never "100%" again and there are always some structural weaknesses that will be there regardless of how gifted your surgeon is
Ive torn my ACL and it actually seems alot more sturdy than before, it also is alot more sturdy than my other knee… My doctor was the best in the state and he said it will be better than before.. Also as long as you stretch right and get the strength back up properly then you should reach 100% again.. They say the only place you really suffer is speed, and they say that doesnt normally come back to 100% till the time period between 1-2 years after surgery….
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
If you had a congenital defect
Your ACL might be ‘more sturdy’ now but surgery does not improve the stability and functionality of the ACL.
As for ‘100%’ you make get that close in terms of strength, flexibility, and speed but that only occurs if you are generally younger but you still have some structural weaknesses there.
Im 18 so the youngness part helps me...
LOL the surgery is meant to improve the stability and functionality or they wouldnt make you do it.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
Yeah I know I shoulda put youth
but I like the word youngness, its not a word and it draws attention away from the fact that I put my age there.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
Stu can make a difference definitely
Jon Beason < James Laurinatis < Stewart Bradley < Patrick Willis
and im no white boy, Laurinatis and Bradley will be the very finest in a year or two
BTW Akeem was our best player on D early, so see him to return to that form, TRUST, and does anyone seem interested in Joey Porter as a SLB???
You are underrating Beason, Laurinaitis and overrating Bradley...
I would say Bradley is on par with Laurinaitis but not at Beason’s level. I don’t think ANYONE can be better than Willis for at least the next 6 years. Dude is a god-like middle linebacker. Akeem was a very good tackler but not that good in coverage. White often took over for him on passing downs. NO to Porter. He is strictly a 3-4 rush linebacker.
Jordan had 1/2 decent season
Jordan was the Eagles best LB until he got hurt in the 1st Dallas game. He then missed 4 games and really was a nonfactor the rest of the way except the Denver game where he played “ok.”
When Jordan has been healthy and started though the past 2 years, he generally has been the most Eagles’ productive LB. I would be surprised if he isn’t back next year but it will be interesting to see if he is granted the starter on the weakside LB.
Great Post.
Great research and I want to beleive it. Between what we could have with Ingram and Bradley back on the field I REALLY want to beleive it.
I’m not disagreeing with R36, but I wonder what the stats are for people who are ‘never the same.’
Even this list
Is riddled with guys who did come back after 1 year but weren’t clearly the same player. It really too them 2 full seasons to bounce back.
Bradley may be ready to go next year but I would be surprised if he is the same caliber of player he was in 2008. Maybe towards the end of next season but it is pretty unlikely that Bradley will be back and at 100% around the 1st half of the season.
I dont count McNabb...
he was way more effective before the tear then he went all “im gonna be a pocket passer even though the reason I was so good was because I was a dual threat” and since then we’ve been stuck with mediocore play from him.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
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