The silver linings in the Eagles' putrid loss against the Vikings
Next week vs the Dallas Cowboys, we're going to see a lot of Kevin Kolb, Jerome Harrison, Riley Cooper, Clay Harbor, Trevard Lindley, Colt Anderson, Daniel Te'o-Nesheim, etc etc etc. The Eagles are locked in as the 3 seed. Their most likely opponent in the first round of the playoffs is the probably-soon-to-be 6 seed Green Bay Packers, who need only beat the (likely) Todd Collins led Chicago Bears. The Bears should be disinterested now that they've clinched a first round bye. Media criticism will be harsh over the next two weeks, and rightfully so, because the Eagles were downright putrid against the Joe Webb led Minnesota Vikings Tuesday night.
Obviously, the desired outcome was an Eagles win, keeping hope alive for a first round bye. Had the Eagles beaten the Vikings, they still would have had to have beaten the Cowboys next week, and had the Packers take care of business against the Bears. That's now out the window. Gone. Forget it. If you're the Eagles, there's no use dwelling on it - You move on and prepare for the first round of the playoffs. As fans, once you've talked yourself into accepting that this loss isn't the end of the world, allow me to point out some weird positive side effects this loss created:
1) The Eagles should now have 2 weeks to prepare for the Green Bay Packers. In a weird way, that's almost like a bye. In the Andy Reid era, the Eagles are 12-0 in regular season games after a bye week. If you count the 3 seasons the Eagles had first round byes in the playoffs, the Eagles are 15-0 after bye weeks. It's not a guarantee that the Eagles will face the Packers of course, which means they could be wasting their time preparing for them over the next 5 days, but the alternatives would be a team they already know extremely well (the Giants) or the longshot Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
2) The Eagles also know exactly who their 2nd round opponent will be should they advance past the first round. It would be the Chicago Bears at Soldier Field. In the NFL, after the first round of the playoffs are complete, the highest seed plays the lowest seed still remaining. It's not like the NCAA basketball tourney, where you can often have the 1 seed playing the 8 seed in the 2nd round, while you have a couple Cindarella teams like a 12 seed and a 13 seed playing each other. Since the Eagles are locked in as the 3 seed, they would be the highest seed remaining if they were to advance to the 2nd round, and therefore would face the Bears, not the likely 1 seed Falcons. The Bears aren't necessarily the better matchup, but there is a bit of an advantage in knowing your exact playoff schedule a few weeks in advance.
3) The Eagles can get healthy. Michael Vick will assuredly sit next week. Ditto that for Asante Samuel, LeSean McCoy, DeSean Jackson, Jeremy Maclin, Trent Cole, and so on. On a side note, the Eagles will also hope to have Stewart Bradley ready to go by the first week of the playoffs. Had the Eagles won tonight, and then again next week against Dallas with the starters going full bore, there's no guarantee the Bears wouldn't just clinch the 2 seed anyway, and the Eagles could have potentially been limping into the first week of the playoffs while playing 3 games in 12 days. A week off at this point in the season is huge, whether you get that via a first round bye, or via sitting all your starters in a meaningless game Week 17.
4) It's never a bad thing to get some of your reserves out on the field for the sake of evaluation and experience. The meaningless game next week will give the Eagles that opportunity, even if it's for an undesirable reason.
In the 5 stages of grief, I guess you could say I was in "denial" sometime around halftime, "anger" after the Adrian Peterson TD to put the Vikes up 10, and the above writeup places me squarely in the "bargaining" stage. "Depression" will set in when I read all week about how bad the Eagles are and how they'll be bounced in the first round of the playoffs, and eventually I'll finally land on "acceptance" sometime around kickoff next week.
But just know, this loss to the Vikings, although a complete disaster of a performance, really isn't the end of the world. Chin up - The Eagles are still the NFC East champs, they have the most explosive offense in the NFL, and can beat any team in the league. Vent however you vent, and know that there's still plenty of football upcoming for the Eagles.
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I’ve seen the last of Dimitri Patterson as a starter on this defense.
by macjack09 on Dec 29, 2010 12:37 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I’d rather have Ellis Hobbs right now, and it’s not close.
DTMWTD
by alcatraz0109 on Dec 29, 2010 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
i remember reading on here a few weeks ago
that he was a great compliment to Asante. have your views changed that much since? and who would be the solution? lindley?
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IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
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Who? Dimitri?
At first he seemed to be the “half-decent tackler with size” who could emulate Sheldon Brown, and he had 2 very good games coming off the bye, better than Ellis had played in the early part of the season.
But it became apparent to other OCs he couldn’t cover particularly well, bit on any and every double move, and was generally a walking piece of toast.
While Ellis’ best may not be better than Dimitri’s, at least he was consistent and covered and tackled equally well.
DTMWTD
by alcatraz0109 on Dec 29, 2010 1:30 AM EST up reply actions
yeah i think i caught the buzz
of your collective highs off his early play. he did seem to hold his own for a while, then i don’t know, maybe the strain of all the injuries at secondary(Asante) and him being thrown at more and shown more on film gave away his deficiencies. as much as i wanted Asante to get torched by one of our wideouts, i was glad when Eli threw his(Dimitri) way more.
who’s next on the depth chart if he ain’t it?
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
Lindley or Hanson. Lindley’s unproven, Hanson’s not big enough or fast enough to play outside.
I feel better with Lindley (Hanson’s proven suck) but that doesn’t make me a happy camper.
DTMWTD
by alcatraz0109 on Dec 29, 2010 1:38 AM EST up reply actions
not impressed by Hanson at all
if i were your FO, i’d start drafting my draft board with DB at the top of the list.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
Ras-I Dowling is squarely at the top of my wish list
DTMWTD
by alcatraz0109 on Dec 29, 2010 1:49 AM EST up reply actions
YES
There are four 1st round CB’s for sure. 2 are GREAT top 10 picks and the other 2 are very good.
Take the name off the back of the jersey's and reinvent football as a team sport.
"The way I figure it, if my heads gonna pop off it's gonna pop off anyways" - Ellis Hobbs on the possibility of his neck breaking.
by MightyJoeBanner on Dec 29, 2010 8:35 AM EST up reply actions
Big, non-fluid, injury prone, poor speed and just overall unspectacular player. IMO he is a Tampa 2 corner or a FS.
Jimmy Smith or Janoris Jenkins are where its at. Jenkins is a Samuel clone and Smith is a huge, physical corner who is a beast in press coverage.
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
by d-jackfan10 on Dec 29, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
Janoris won't declare
But Jimmy Smith is the next Nnamdi Asamougha. Size, fluidity, and his man-to-man coverage is impeccable. Not too many interceptions because he has only been thrown at about 15 times all year.
by birds'n'raiders on Dec 29, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
Hanson is reasonable covering a slot reciever
he simply does not have the speed to keep up on the outside, and he’s shown that OVER and OVER and OVER
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
Ditto for Patterson, so were right back to where we started. So is it Lindley time?
by philiafan14364 on Dec 29, 2010 8:49 AM EST up reply actions
I say it's Lindley time
I’d rather rookie mistakes than physical limitations that can’t be overcome
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
I wish.
He got raped all night.
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Reid said in his press conference, “we are not good enough to sit players next week”. Any merit to that or should we bank on what you just typed up over our faithful head coach? :)
I’d say Andy is squarely in “anger” stage about now. Once he’s slept on it, he’ll realize that it would be insanely stupid to play his starters next week. I can see him giving the starters a drive or 2, but no way they’ll go full bore for 60 minutes. No way.
Yeah he’s understandably angry and probably doesn’t want the team to feel like they’ve "earned" a week off. They certainly didn’t earn a rest, but that doesn’t change the fact that they need it.
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but seriously
VICK BETTER NOT PLAY NEXT WEEK – he needs to get healthy.
I bet he’ll have a change of heart when he sees Vick limping into the training room.
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I'll be furious
if Vick plays more than a quarter this week.
You guys bring up good points. Andy might be in the “anger” stage and might just be saying what he’s saying because he wants the players to “pay” for their terrible performance. But if he plays the starters full-go, he’s only compounding the problem.
These are the guys I want getting the most rest (from most to least):
Vick, Cole, Samuel, Jackson, McCoy, Maclin, Peters, M. Patterson, Herremans, McGlynn (Center is vital; we can’t afford another Jamaal-type-post-injury-meltdown), Celek, Justice, MJG.
Then to a lesser degree: Mikell, Bunkley, Dixon, Sims, Fokou
The problem is do we have the depth to allow all of these players to sit part of the game? And will Andy actually do it? My thinking is probably not.
Night and Day
Quotes from today’s press conference:
Reid; I’m not even sure Vick could get back and play with his injury at the moment
Reid: May look at snap counts for players who may need rest
Reid on deciding whether to rest guys: You have to look at what’s at stake if you play them, injuries – some guys need the playing time
McDermott??
You’re mad at McDermott??? You have to be kidding me..
You lose your MLB, your starting FS, your very talented rookie DE, Laws goes down in the game(there goes quality depth), you have shitty play from the RCB and you want to blame McDermott?
Cheney is good, but Bradley is the more experienced one, I’d rather have him there.
I’d take Allen over Coleman, this is much closer than it should be considering Allens talent is lightyears beyond that of Coleman.
Graham going down hurts the entire DL, Parkers now playing more, and he plays worse with more playing time.
Laws normally gets pressure up the middle, he was out for a while(IDK if he came back)
Patterson is a solid CB on a good day and a Liability on a day like today.. he got pulled in favor of Hanson..
It’s not McDermotts fault the injuries keep coming, it’s not his fault that the plan for RCB was Hobbs, which I said would end poorly… He’s the only reason this D is having the success it is..
Shut up.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
"Please notice the difference and proceed to suck your own tiny ass cock. Secondly, A simulator shows how things COULD go, not WOULD.. Once again bend in half and do the deed.." From me.. To CNCITINFO.
by wild_eagle on Dec 29, 2010 1:04 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
wild_eagle
You my boy, but the problems were there way before all these misfortunes started happening. You say he’s the only reason the defense is having the success it is…..I really don’t see any success. I understand he’s not working with the best of situations especially come as of late, but he really hasn’t done anything period. I mean Rome wasn’t built in a day no, but they did set up a couple pillars here and there though.
I'd say the DL is a pillar,
Fokou is one, Asante is one, Mikel is one and Fuck even Coleman is one..
I am not happy with the D’s performance and it does start up top, but I think the CB getting burned is because we can no longer use Nate to protect them.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
"Please notice the difference and proceed to suck your own tiny ass cock. Secondly, A simulator shows how things COULD go, not WOULD.. Once again bend in half and do the deed.." From me.. To CNCITINFO.
The “shut up” is a little much, but I agree with the rest. When the defense plays poorly, it’s easy to say “McDermott sucks,” but unless you offer up what he should have done differently while at the same time not sounding like a “Monday morning QB,” it’s sort of unwarranted.
At some point, don’t the players just have to play well? Juqua Parker had like 4-5 chance to sack Webb and couldn’t get it done. The DT’s got pushed around. The corner play from Dimitri Patterson was terrible. Tacklers took bad angles and gave up too many extra yards. Is McD to blame for that? Nope, it’s the players.
by JimmyK on Dec 29, 2010 1:11 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
But the 12 men on the field penalty (plus twice where we came damn close to having it called again), having the wrong personnel on the field in a 3rd down situation (again, this happened more than once), and calling a timeout when the Vikes were down to 2 seconds on the play clock are directly attributable to McDermott.
Blame the players all you want (Dimitri and Juqua especially), but those instances are purely coaching mistakes.
DTMWTD
by alcatraz0109 on Dec 29, 2010 1:20 AM EST up reply actions
Adrian Peterson handed those DT"s their asses...
…and the linebackers were NOWHERE to be found (especially Sims…did you see him woefully overpursue on 2 big AP runs?)
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No offense, but did we watch the same game?
Every AP run was due to losing side-line containment. You can fault JP, Trent Cole, and the lack of any line backer presence on containment. On one play Trent Cole lost containment on his side and the only other player there was Coleman. It was hilarious to see a rookie Coleman livid at his teammates for their poor vision after the play. That dude is scrawny and shouldn’t be in this league but he has more brains than all of our LBs combined. Out of all of the runs, I think I only saw 1 play get more than 2 yards when running through our DT’s.
Yeah the shut up was a little much,
but I’m tired of people just blaming McDermott..
McDermotts not on the field.. and Honestly alot of time she makes the right calls to get our players in the right position, now whether they make the play or not is up to them.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
"Please notice the difference and proceed to suck your own tiny ass cock. Secondly, A simulator shows how things COULD go, not WOULD.. Once again bend in half and do the deed.." From me.. To CNCITINFO.
Maybe he should literally get off the field and try the Box again for play calling. If he saw what we were seeing maybe he’d have the brains to fix it. Sadly, REID has already given up on McD.. if you’ve noticed REID is no more than 5 yards away from McD the entire game for the past 4 weeks.. coincidence?
what are you kidding me?
The soft zone blitzed are god fucking awful, who doesn’t see this shit coming
Having Patterson in there after he’s been burnt so many times is atrocious. Fuck go with the rookie over that garbage
His has the wrong personnel on the field, too many at times, and not having a game plan to defend…gasp..JOE FUCKIGN WEBB…how is this or the rest of the season of this shitty D not on McDermot…
Fuck yourself
gotta love the love over here
as an outsider looking in, it does seem like the Eagles as a whole are blitzing less this season, and tonight as well. i honestly thought they’d blow the fucking doors off of joe webb, given his inexperience. but i do remember hearing somewhere that McD said he would dial down the blitzes this season. or maybe that was just against eli, i can’t remember.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
yeah he dialed it down to timed blitzes
that never work…usually this D buzzes around rookie QB’s and makes them so confused with different looks they just basically quit. McDermott doesn’t belong as a DC, he doesn’t have “it”
As for the love, WE is cool, he agitated me so I’m doing it back, we’re both clearly in anger loss mode.
no grudges.
but wasn't he blitzing as much or more than JJ after he passed?
and didn’t he say he would continue to be as aggressive as his predecessor? i don’t understand why new guys fix what ain’t broke. BS(that’s bill sheridan, not bullshit, altho that’s what his D was) did the same thing after Spags walked for greener pastures in the Lou. and you see what a mess we were last year.
yeah, w_e’s the man, i’ve seen him in calm as fuk mode, and i’ve seen him in wild mode. either way he has good repartee(damn my spelling gets worse as i get older)
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IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
BS(that’s bill sheridan, not bullshit, altho that’s what his D was) did the same thing after Spags walked for greener pastures in the Lou. and you see what a mess we were last year.
Only difference between Sheridan and McDermott is that McDermott had a DC title for more than a year… He’s just as bad.
RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
he had a modicom of success last year
and your run D has improven dramatically, whereas even in JJ’s heyday, i always felt we could run on that D more than pass. i’m just surprised at how quickly you guys have soured on him. the injuries piling up can’t help the sitch either.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
we spent the whole offseason
enabling our team to get to the QB faster. We draft Brandon Graham, we trade for Darryl Tapp, we get a stupid but REALLY fast LB in Ernie Sims…
and we’ve NEVER gotten to the QB nearly as effectively as seemingly every opponent has gotten to ours. Vick gets hit 15 times/game (not including the tackle after a run), is under CONSTANT pressure, and we’re lucky to even get to the freaking QB, even with a biltz.
I don’t know if it’s the coach, or the players, but all that effort to get to the QB doesn’t seem like it paid off
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
Yeah
I’m starting to wonder if all of those moves were for the betterment of the pass rush.
I don’t think so. Is Daryll Tapp a better pass rusher than Jason Babin? This year he wasn’t. Is Graham better than Chris Clemons? Down the road maybe he will be, but Clemons was lights-out in Seattle this year. What about Darren Howard? Is Te’o better than Howard? Hell no. (I get that Howard isn’t even in the league and probably isn’t worth a crap right now. But Te’o 2010 isn’t better than Howard 2009).
I get what the front office was doing. Trying to get younger and trying to “jump ship” on those players before they regressed. But this year, I don’t think it went completely according to plan.
Our pass rush is just not good.
Hell yeah I got repartee... LOL thanks.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
"Please notice the difference and proceed to suck your own tiny ass cock. Secondly, A simulator shows how things COULD go, not WOULD.. Once again bend in half and do the deed.." From me.. To CNCITINFO.
Really?
We have to go with Zone because the RCB cant do man to man, it’s pathetic…
I’ve been saying GO WITH THE ROOKIE all fucking year but NOO shit dont happen.
I think for the most part if you put in a less athletic guy our D looks alot better.
Suck my dick.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
"Please notice the difference and proceed to suck your own tiny ass cock. Secondly, A simulator shows how things COULD go, not WOULD.. Once again bend in half and do the deed.." From me.. To CNCITINFO.
the last part is just so I didnt repeat shut up, and I couldnt let you have the last word.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
"Please notice the difference and proceed to suck your own tiny ass cock. Secondly, A simulator shows how things COULD go, not WOULD.. Once again bend in half and do the deed.." From me.. To CNCITINFO.
Haha
Well played. Can’t lose that “repartee” I like Lindley a whole lot. My loss anger has subsided and it’s probably a mixture of mcd not putting people in position to do their best with the limite skill he has around
by TheDtrain on Dec 29, 2010 1:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Honestly
McD does pretty good with what he has.. When Allen was in there he’d use Allens covering ability to mask the issues with the RCB.. Now that Allens gone we have nobody to mask the shit we have at RCB.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
"Please notice the difference and proceed to suck your own tiny ass cock. Secondly, A simulator shows how things COULD go, not WOULD.. Once again bend in half and do the deed.." From me.. To CNCITINFO.
Two Things about the D
one historically bad red zone d.
two i don’t ever remember a rookie QB out playing a JJ defense.
Even when JJ wasn’t blitzing he would run some exotic coverage scheme that would confuse the shit out of a rookie. So if the birds were playing a rookie QB it was a gauranteed win. Maybe I was just spoiled back then but I couldn’t see any way, with Web and McGee coming to the Linc, that the Eagles were going to lose.
I'm not drunk I'm just drinking.
by no1pipelayer on Dec 29, 2010 2:05 AM EST up reply actions
yup
we’ve made every QB who played against us look good. I thought that would stop tonight, but nope…we can’t get to the QB, and we can’t stop them when the ball’s in the air.
Good Lord, if you can slow down our offense, you win…cuz you’re GUARANTEED to get points.
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
AGREED. I never remember young/rookie Qbs ever having success against jj.
"If I can get you to think twice, I'm in your head."
-Brian Dawkins
"Yeah, I like to hit people"
-Brandon Graham
by immynimmy on Dec 29, 2010 8:47 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I agree with this
But don’t you think that if something is “historically bad” that you’d fix it, or not put it in?
Examples: The Ford Pinto is a historically bad car. Thank god that I have a Volvo.
OR:
Reggie Brown is a historically bad wide receiver. Cut him.
Their red zone personnel on defense is a direct result of Reid’s lousy picks on D. I’ll give him credit for Maclin and Jackson. Hell, I’ll give him credit for all the skill positions. But this defense is pretty shitty.
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Roethlisberger 2004 comes to mind
Nothing went right in that game.
The defense only gave up 17 points
I’m not absolving them, but hell this is an offense that scored 21 points to tie the game in 7 minutes last week. This is more on the offense.
Go Eagles!
sure
but when it mattered, we couldn’t pressure Webb…when he rolled out, we lost contain, and we gave up almost every 3rd down pass completion they wanted…
Andy chose to punt at 4th and 18 with 4 minutes left, and he should have gone for it. Not that our offense was playing well, but on the season, they have been…and I trust our offense to get 18 yards in one play WAY more than I trust our defense to get us the ball back, down two scores with 4 minutes, and two timeouts.
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
by jalarsen1 on Dec 29, 2010 7:14 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Not disagreeing with you
All I am saying is we got pretty much what we have gotten all year out of the defense last night, but not the offense.
Go Eagles!
That's because all year the offense has been playing above average
Would it hurt for the defense to just give us"average" play?
As an Eagles fan in Louisiana, If we meet up with the Saints in the playoffs we better fcking win !!!
by EaglesandRavensFan on Dec 29, 2010 11:04 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
The defense is what it is
I think that most in here had concerns about the defense, especially the secondary. Then we lost Hobbs. We lost Bradley and Allen. And Graham. I’m just saying that the defense is playing pretty much to their potential given the bodies we’ve thrown out there. The gave up 17 points last night. With the talent we have on offense that should be good enough to win just about every week.
Go Eagles!
I trust our offense to get 18 yards in one play WAY more than I trust our defense to get us the ball back, down two scores with 4 minutes, and two timeouts.
I would rec this infinite if I could
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by Talon Talent on Dec 29, 2010 9:00 AM EST up reply actions
I only hope this loss serves to kick the Eagles (and the crowd) in the pants; this shenanigan of getting off to a slow start then coming back only works to a certain degree. Don’t leave any points off the board, score fast and early, and hold on D.
Oh, and if Vick sees more than a quarter against Dallas next week, I’m going to wring someone’s neck.
DTMWTD
Oh, and if Vick sees more than a quarter against Dallas next week, I’m going to wring someone’s neck.
I can’t see Vick getting more than 2 offensive drives…
RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
As the Secretary of State of BGN or whatever ...
I’m the silver-liningest dude around, and I still think this is all a stretch, albeit a typically admirable JimmyK attempt.
For me, I never thought the Eagles were a championship team in two phases, but I believed the offense could rescue them more often than not. I believed with 3 games to a championship instead of 4, their D was less susceptible to being exposed, and we might manage to avoid the three or four defensive lines that could contain Vick.
Tonight just wiped the luster off everything in one fell swoop. I kept on waiting for the calvary to ride in and save the day, and for really the first time, Vick and the O never showed up.
Given that we’re coming off 112 crappy minutes of the past 120, this is more than just “oh good, we’ve been humbled and we’ll rest our good players and go into the playoffs fresh.”
This is “we’re too beat up and not that good.”
I’m reverting to “well this was a step forward from preseason when we weren’t sure if we’d be 8-8.” We found our QB and an FS and a LB and McCoy is way better, etc., etc. I’ll enjoy the NFC East title and the accompanying playoff game, and we’ll always have the Meadowlands … but I’m retiring the Super Bowl dreams until I see something to indicate that we are that team.
Re: the bye
“We don’t deserve it after that performance,” Eagles coach Andy Reid said. “Every phase was terrible. We didn’t coach well enough. We didn’t play well enough. I’m disappointed in myself. It’s embarrassing.”
yeah, pretty much Andy.
All in all, we could be the Panthers. Or the Cowboys. So there’s that.
Playoffs are a clean slate. Maybe they’ll surprise me.
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Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
by D3Keith on Dec 29, 2010 12:55 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
agreed
Normally I’m so optimistic I get mad at myself for beign Naiive.
But jesus talk about the Worst Offense showing this year…
All in all.. our Offense this game was still better then say… Eagles vs. Raiders last year. I’d say minus the fumbles, we would’ve won hands down. Ultimately 100% of my blame is on Marty for not calling run plays. This was an easy win, what’s with 80% passes? Seriously? You want to throw the damn ball 80% of the time then where were the screen passes? Marty is my goat of the week. Not to mention the huge success on the limited run and screen plays we did. I could rant on and on.. I HATE YOU MARTY
can't argue with tonight
but Marty usually has pretty creative plays. We’re not a running team, I’ve come to terms with it. Would I like more balance? Sure…But I know we pass 65/35
it's just frustrating
when his creative plays take 15 seconds do develop, and he insists on sticking to it, even when the other team is rushing 7 guys hard
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
YES... THIS
They repeatedly blitz a corner or a safety or two LBs and yet while Vick is scrambling for his life, we have 3 or 4 receivers running 15+ yards straight upfield with their backs to Vick.
Where were the hot routes last night? Where were the screen passes?
I’m usually okay with the 60/40 or 65/35 pass/run ratio, but why in the hell were we going for the intermediate-to-long passes every single play.
We should’ve been able to adjust and we didn’t.
Inexcusable.
When they went into the 2 minute drill at the end of the 1rst half, they had a lout of hot routes. They worked. How the coaches don’t learn this I cannot comprehend.
They’re allowing Vick to get blasted week in and week out. Makes you wonder whether they care about his longevity and future.. they do have Kolb waiting in the wings afterall.
"If they bring in a cardboard cutout of Nicholas Cage to replace McD, I’d be fine with it as long as it can get this D to execute." - McNabb2Maclin4Philly
by begforme4484 on Dec 29, 2010 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
what's my title???
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
"Please notice the difference and proceed to suck your own tiny ass cock. Secondly, A simulator shows how things COULD go, not WOULD.. Once again bend in half and do the deed.." From me.. To CNCITINFO.
donkey punch you
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
I will fax my fist to you and choke you the fuck out.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
"Please notice the difference and proceed to suck your own tiny ass cock. Secondly, A simulator shows how things COULD go, not WOULD.. Once again bend in half and do the deed.." From me.. To CNCITINFO.
I laughed out loud
Picturing a dude getting a scanned fist and choking to death over laughter
by TheDtrain on Dec 29, 2010 1:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
draft expert
and resident unnecesarily rude asshole… i like you wild eagle but you fly offf the handle so easily
on and please take the cncitinfo thing off your tag…. that guy never needs to be spoken of again…ever… please… jibta triple periods…
no todd
the legend of CNCITINFO should never die. until the great one returns again, with his memorable musings about how much macklyn sux….
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
NO! that's my destruction of him... Nobody ever put somebody down with such vulgarity and class.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
"Please notice the difference and proceed to suck your own tiny ass cock. Secondly, A simulator shows how things COULD go, not WOULD.. Once again bend in half and do the deed.." From me.. To CNCITINFO.
How am I a draft expert?
and let’s be honest here, when I fly off the handle it’s alright because I know you laugh.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
"Please notice the difference and proceed to suck your own tiny ass cock. Secondly, A simulator shows how things COULD go, not WOULD.. Once again bend in half and do the deed.." From me.. To CNCITINFO.
Though seldom an active member of the Commentariat here
I offer my name in contention for the title of “Resident Draft Expert”.
by birds'n'raiders on Dec 29, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
Given that we’re coming off 112 crappy minutes of the past 120, this is more than just "oh good, we’ve been humbled and we’ll rest our good players and go into the playoffs fresh."
Revisionist history. The Eagles only saw real results in the final 8 minutes, but they thoroughly outplayed the Giants for the entire 2nd half of that game.
Formerly known as JFein.
Writer at SB Nation's Philadelphia Union blog, The Brotherly Game. Follow me on Twitter
What he said.
Eagles- 10-5, NFC East Division Champs- and they still suck.
Phillies- Cliff Lee.... HE'S BAAAAAAAACK!
Agree to a point
Yes the playoffs are a clean slate. Anyone can win. My biggest gripe is that we go into the playoffs following a shitty loss. Sometimes it’s just a matter of having the hot hand going in. I guess I have to settle for plan B, getting a week’s rest.
But I do agree that we are not yet an elite team. Anyone of the teams in the playoffs (sans the NFC West) could have come in and beat us even if we were two seed.
Go Eagles!
Joe Webb looked like Warren Moon.
And Dimitri Patterson looked like Izel Jenkins.
Rendell was right about the “nation of pussies” bit but he was just misquoted. What he really said was that “Everyone on this offensive line is a pussy.”
"You have been banned from Big Blue View...for rightly telling us a) what a shitsack blog we run and b) what a shitsack team we root for"
"Roger Goodell, Eagles' owner Jeff Lurie and president Joe Banner, and Mayor Nutter - you are the Wimps Who Stole Christmas"--Will Bunch. Philadelphia Daily News
by EvilBanner on Dec 29, 2010 9:09 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec for reference to "Toast"
Secretary of State for BGN aka "Most diplomatic man on this site," as appointed by Talon Talent
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
Silver lining?
So the silver lining is we take the worst possible path to the Super Bowl?
Instead of a bye (a real possibility despite what people say), we get a tough Packers team- a great QB with good weapons and decent enough defense, and then if we actually do beat them, a Bears team who humiliated us on their shitty field, and THEN a Falcons team who is pretty damn good at home.
That’s a great fucking silver lining. Not pure silver of course. Just that fake shit.
Eagles- 10-5, NFC East Division Champs- and they still suck.
Phillies- Cliff Lee.... HE'S BAAAAAAAACK!
I see you’re in “anger” still. Give it some time.
by JimmyK on Dec 29, 2010 1:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
My concern isn’t with the offense. Sure they don’t always have the best gameplan, but Eagles football under Reid has always been about the pass so I know exactly what to expect. 50+ pass plays does not surprise me, neither does only a baker’s dozen of runs. I know what the offense can do, but the defense hasn’t shown much all year, particularly against the pass.
Sure the O-line isn’t any good, but the pass defense is highly susceptible to every quarterback that will be in the playoffs. Ryan, Cutler, Rodgers (most likely), Brees…any of these guys can take our defense and turn them into chop suey. This is not a championship caliber defense. A lot of bad luck, yes, but pretty poor execution throughout, as well. No leadership and really, not enough talent in certain areas.
I commend the Eagles on making the playoffs. With the injuries, I recommend they just forfeit next week and don’t even play. At least rest every other draft pick from this year.
Eagles fans
This is the beginning of the continuation of your sorry, pathetic destiny. You will do nothing of note again this year. You guys are a bunch of thug monkeys. See you after the game next week.
by RisingSunCowboy on Dec 29, 2010 1:37 AM EST reply actions
Remember that Tiger Woods uses Nike drivers and irons but a Titleist putter.
DTMWTD
by alcatraz0109 on Dec 29, 2010 1:48 AM EST up reply actions
Unlike you
I was alive to see my team with superbowls fool. Actually, been through the good times and the bad times. Saw my boys suck up most of the 80s and kick butt most of the 90s. What has that taught me? No matter what, we will win again. As for you, ah man. I love you eagles fans. Always come back the same line. It comes from a sense of inadequacy. Don’t worry about my loyalty (which I am sure is far greater than your loyalty to your team). Worry about your sorry ass team and organization.
by RisingSunCowboy on Dec 29, 2010 1:59 AM EST up reply actions
that's all you got?
Come on man you can do better than that. First you go with the tired bandwagon routine. Then you recycle my comment? Come on man.
Let me ask you this, if you don’t win it this year (and you know you won’t) when do you think you will? Pathetic.
by RisingSunCowboy on Dec 29, 2010 2:25 AM EST up reply actions
trying not to feed a troll
I dont know what’s worse…a cowboy fan coming in here to do what exactly? Get on us for being guaranteed the playoffs while his team sits at home?
or the fact that your more likely 50-60 yrs old and trolling a fansite…
a guaranteed spot in the playoffs
would be great for any other team. For you guys, its just another form of torture. Enjoy!
by RisingSunCowboy on Dec 29, 2010 2:43 AM EST up reply actions
Your obviously a child gloating about ancient history no different than some Greek high schooler crowing about how Alexander the Great ruled the know world back in 300BC. Hate to break it to you but the Greeks will never rule the world again.
I'm not drunk I'm just drinking.
by no1pipelayer on Dec 29, 2010 3:09 AM EST up reply actions
Certainly been a horrible year
But we will be back. And you know it. Will you guys ever do anything?
by RisingSunCowboy on Dec 29, 2010 2:00 AM EST up reply actions
But we will be back.
To what? A single playoff win per decade? Have fun with that.
RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
yes, exactly!
5 superbowls in the seventies (with 2 wins) and 3 more in the 90s (with 3 wins) averages out to one playoff win per decade.
Ah philly fans.
by RisingSunCowboy on Dec 29, 2010 2:23 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah…good luck getting another deal like the “Herschel Walker trade” that built the 90’s dynasty. Hey, is it cold down there in the NFC East basement?
by Route36 on Dec 29, 2010 2:41 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Its actually not that bad down here
We took our medicine early and are ready for next year. I suppose a fan of a team that has never won it can’t understand, but block buster trades are not the only way to win it all. Talk to me in a year buddy.
by RisingSunCowboy on Dec 29, 2010 2:46 AM EST up reply actions
Ready for next year? What did you magically acquire an offensive line full of young talent? Is Jason Garrett a real head coach all of a sudden or is he a slimmer Wade Phillips? Enjoy our terrible loss to the Vikings while we sit in glee with our victory over you, 2 victories over the Giants, our victory over the Redskins, our NFC East title, our number 3 seed in the playoffs, and the opportunity to actually succeed this year. See we have that opportunity, and you don’t. Why? because you play for the saddest sack of shit for a franchise that has ever graced God’s green earth. Fuck the Cowboy’s and that whole garbage ass, cesspool filled, taint of America state you call Texas. When you become relevant again, we might talk. until then fuck off knobgobbler, we got playoffs to focus on.
"I will never have my best season," Brian Dawkins
"There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them." Bruce Lee
"This fucking game is over!" Chuck Bednarik
"Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth" Mike Tyson
by Talon Talent on Dec 29, 2010 9:13 AM EST up reply actions 12 recs

"Let's take this thing from the beginning. Let's go out and make some plays! Special teams, defense, big hits, turnovers, whatever it takes to win this thing!"
-Brian Dawkins
by McNabb2Maclin4Philly on Dec 29, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
:*)
this is my first rec’d comment ever. I am screen printing this shit
"I will never have my best season," Brian Dawkins
"There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them." Bruce Lee
"This fucking game is over!" Chuck Bednarik
"Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth" Mike Tyson
by Talon Talent on Dec 30, 2010 6:32 AM EST up reply actions
Talon, I think you just raped this kid through a blog... Awesome.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
"Please notice the difference and proceed to suck your own tiny ass cock. Secondly, A simulator shows how things COULD go, not WOULD.. Once again bend in half and do the deed.." From me.. To CNCITINFO.
you do realize
that the “saddest sack of shit for a franchise” has won 5 Rings. You do realize this, right?
by RisingSunCowboy on Jan 1, 2011 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
The Cowboys are an absolute mess. Old as hell, clueless GM, disaster of an OL, and an argument could be made that they had the worst defense in the league this year. So will they “be back?” Maybe… In 4-5 years.
by JimmyK on Dec 29, 2010 7:19 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
not trolling not agreeing with the guy
but this league now is crazy year to year things change. Look at the chiefs or look at cowboys D last year to this year whose to say it doesnt go back to 09 Defense. Thats what makes NFL so great.
The Eagles could be the best Defense in the league next year, just because your bad this year doesn’t mean your bad next year.
Maybe. Could the defense get miraculously get better next year? It’s possible, I guess. Can the offensive line suddenly become 6 years younger? That’ll be a little tougher.
" Could the defense get miraculously get better next year? It’s possible, I guess."
Not under the current scheme, I don’t think so.
"If they bring in a cardboard cutout of Nicholas Cage to replace McD, I’d be fine with it as long as it can get this D to execute." - McNabb2Maclin4Philly
by begforme4484 on Dec 29, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
The Chiefs though had young talent as do the Rams
and the other teams who have gone from cellar dwellers to division champs – plus, the Chiefs aren’t exactly in a killer division
the Owboys aren’t really built with young talent – they were more a “win now” veteran team. Outside of Dez Bryant, how many really good young players do the Owboys have? I like the Eagles chances to be good in the future much more, because the Eagles have more young talent in the skills positions. Plus, don’t forget that everyone thought this would be a rebuilding year for the Eagles – yet they won the division.
You guys are a bunch of thug monkeys.
Nice. Glad to see that northern stereotypes about racist idiots in Texas aren’t completely uninformed.
racist?
I am assuming the average fan on this board is a wife beating, undereducated white boy. So if you are implying that I am referencing African Americans then you are wrong.
by RisingSunCowboy on Dec 30, 2010 7:31 AM EST up reply actions
Wow, nice one,
I’m assuming you’re just some inbred hick who’s sitting on his “ranch” which is actually just a small shack he can barely afford on like 2 acres of land who just tries to come and talk shit on the Eagles Blog just because you nothing worth saying on your own because people on the Dallas Blog probably hate you..
You wanna stereotype goat farmer? go ahead, because I assure you every “average fan on this board” is far more intelligent than yourself, and I will place any amount of money most of us are more successful than you are.
Go back to your underachieving teams blog, you’re absolutely pathetic. GTFO.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
"Please notice the difference and proceed to suck your own tiny ass cock. Secondly, A simulator shows how things COULD go, not WOULD.. Once again bend in half and do the deed.." From me.. To CNCITINFO.
Actually
no, I don’t buy the claim that you are smarter than me or more successful. I just don’t buy it, sorry.
by RisingSunCowboy on Jan 1, 2011 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
Welcome to BGN.
In November of 1983 colorful former Cowboys linebacker Thomas “Hollywood” Henderson was arrested for smoking crack with two under-aged teenage girls. He was accused of threatening them with a gun and sexually assaulting them. Henderson claims he gave the girls crack in exchange for consensual sex. One of the girls was described as a “paraplegic minor.” He pled "no contest’ and received a sentence of eight months in rehab then spent two years in prison.
Henderson says his “Hollywood” persona died on that November day in 1983. Since then he has devoted his life to charity and community service work. Henderson even won the Texas lottery in 2000 taking home $ 28 million.
"You have been banned from Big Blue View...for rightly telling us a) what a shitsack blog we run and b) what a shitsack team we root for"
"Roger Goodell, Eagles' owner Jeff Lurie and president Joe Banner, and Mayor Nutter - you are the Wimps Who Stole Christmas"--Will Bunch. Philadelphia Daily News
I do kind of agree with this "Hollywood" Henderson quote
“Terry Bradshaw couldn’t spell cat if you gave him the c and the a”
Of course, Bradshaw and the Steelers proceeded to beat the Cowboys in the Super Bowl – and Henderson basically soon got cut for spending more time posing for the camera than playing
You're a Cowboys and SF Giants fan
’nuff said.
When did you become a Giants fan?
Let me guess…. November of 2010.
by Smitty2K3 on Dec 29, 2010 10:34 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Before that he was a Cowboys and Yankees fan
except for the brief period between the Rangers advancing to the World Series and the Giants beating them when he was a Cowboys and Rangers fan.
See comment above
Is that all you guys have? Actually, I grew up in the Bay Area. That’s right, while the niners were winning 4 superbowls I was still rooting for the Cowboys. Punk ass.
by RisingSunCowboy on Dec 30, 2010 7:33 AM EST up reply actions
That’s right, while the niners were winning 4 superbowls I was still rooting for the Cowboys. Punk ass.
What do you want an applause?? Fuck you, don’t come on our blog and disrespect our members you worthless sack of shit.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
"Please notice the difference and proceed to suck your own tiny ass cock. Secondly, A simulator shows how things COULD go, not WOULD.. Once again bend in half and do the deed.." From me.. To CNCITINFO.
this is the kind of rage
I expect from philly fans. Now go get drunk and fight someone.
by RisingSunCowboy on Jan 1, 2011 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
Eagles — NFC East champs for the sixth time in the last 10 years
Playoff bound for the ninth time in Reid’s 12 years as a head coach.
What do the Cowboys have to look forward to? Another decade of ineffective futility with Jerruh as your sad, toupeed, too much plastic surgery owmer.
by ghostofandrewatters on Dec 29, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
Oh and a few more facts…
• No NFC team has won more games since 2000. The Eagles have won 20 more games since 2000 than the Giants, 35 more than the Cowboys, 46 more than the Redskins.
• The Eagles under Reid are 46-27 (.630) since 2000 against the NFC East, the second-best division record of any NFC team during that span, just behind the Packers’ .657 mark
by ghostofandrewatters on Dec 29, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
See now
You are talking history bro. If you want to talk history, then let’s talk history. 5 Rings, chump. FIVE.
by RisingSunCowboy on Dec 30, 2010 7:34 AM EST up reply actions
And...
You can still go suck a bag of dicks buddy. trollolol
"If they bring in a cardboard cutout of Nicholas Cage to replace McD, I’d be fine with it as long as it can get this D to execute." - McNabb2Maclin4Philly
by begforme4484 on Dec 30, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
This is eerily similar to last year...
Remember a big win over the Giants and we were being touted as the team with the “explosive offense” that “no one wanted to play”. One win last year and we had the #2 seed locked up. I read the same thing on SI.com right before the game tonight and then we laid a pile of shit on the field. Same as last year, big win over Giants and then our ass handed to us by the Cowgirls on consecutive weeks. No #2 seed, and early exit from the playoffs. I had this year written off as part of the learning curve, they got my hopes up, but the reality has to be if Joe Freaking Webb can beat us Aaron Rodgers is going to make us his bitch. We are just too beat up on D. I will keep hope alive but they alway break my heart, always….
As long as there is evil in the world, the cowboys will have their fans.
I feel like Vick is Robin Williams in that Peter Pan movie when he refuses to believe that all these dumb kids are eating imaginary food. And then he believes, throws pudding at Rufio’s and learns how to fly.
…Denial? Yeah, prob.
by HexadecimalCrsh on Dec 29, 2010 2:30 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Silver Lining
The stadium crew did a great job of getting the snow out which was a good thing because there was a guy dressed as Santa in my section and I don’t know if I would have been able to resist
I'm not drunk I'm just drinking.
by no1pipelayer on Dec 29, 2010 2:34 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
My silver lining...
1. This team let me down easy – rather than leading me into the playoffs with high expectations. Now I’ll be ready for them to lose and pleasantly surprised if they don’t. I’d rather be pissed and upset all night now during the regular season than get my heart broken again in the playoffs.
2. We’ve pretty much shut the door on the slim possibility of the Giants making the playoffs.
No Silver Lining
The reality is this: for 7.5 of the last 8 quarters the Eagles have looked like a mediocre team.
Rest ’em all you want, this team looks like a 1 and out team at this point.
Silver lining
A loss like this will always be a dark cloud, but …..
1. Giants and there fans must be happy knowing that the Bears have nothing to play for. That’s never a bad thing.
2. A week and a half of rest is needed. If you are going to lose one of the last two, this was the one.
3. Giving Kolb and some of the other second / third teamers some playing time is a good thing.
4. Pretty much knowing who you play in the playoffs this early is a good thing. Packers, at Bears, then who knows, I wouldn’t rule out hosting the Saints if were to win the first two.
Bottom line is that we have a good, but inconsistent, team. We are young. The good thing is that these young players will have 2 (3 for some) years of playoff experience under their belt, regardless of what happens. I’d love for us to get to the Super Bowl, but I am not sure that we can play consistent enough for 3 games to get there. When we are good, we are as good as anyone. It’s just that we are not good all of the time.
Go Eagles!
we aren't going to do much in the playoffs
I thought with a bye week, we’d get through the divisional round, but I just don’t see our pass defense doing much to contain Aaron Rodgers
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
Depends on our offense
I wouldn’t argue that we are going to need to score in the 30’s or beyond to beat the Packers.
Go Eagles!
am i the only one who thinks...
that chris collinsworth was over the top with his comments last nite? it’s like he had an agenda to drill it into people’s minds that brady was the real MVP and that that vikings QB was the second coming of Christ or something.
at some point, i turned the volume off completely.
anyhow, mike can’t keep taking the shots he did last nite. sucks we didn’t get the 2 seed, but i’m content with the 3rd. rest vick and let’s get ready to rumble come playoff time.
Nobody misses Dnabb more than this guy.
Well, Vick's play last night pretty much gave Tom Brady the MVP trophy
really, its hard to advocate for someone being MVP when they fumble twice and should have had 5-6 interceptions.
by ZacharyD on Dec 29, 2010 6:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
There are two philosphys out there when it comes to "meaningless" games
1. Rest
2. Build momentum
Why is anyone assuming the Bears or even the Eagles will rest? We saw how that affected the Colts. I am in camp #2. Look no farther then the Giants vs Pats game week 17 ’07.
I guess if the injury is bad enough like Vick can’t walk. Maybe I am bias because of camp cupcake and a bye week is a win bullshit.
Thoughts?
any rest for vick will only help us come playoff time
its apparent the man is battered.
Nobody misses Dnabb more than this guy.
It's really only a week and a half of rest, or there about
Vick has been getting the crap beat out him, we should start Kolb. Let some of the other starters play a couple of series then get them out of there.
Your “build momentum” argument has merits, but every situation is different. The Eagles have been inconsistent all year, and I don’t see how playing starters the whole game this weekend changes that, so in this case I say let them rest and let them focus on (probably) Green Bay.
Go Eagles!
The Eagles under Andy Ried usually go for the rest option
by philiafan14364 on Dec 29, 2010 8:55 AM EST up reply actions
The colts do it every year and made it to the superbowl twice
where the patriots won 3/4 and on the verge of going 3/5 4/5. I guess a case can be made for either side
I cant wait
to hear the controversy that starts when Kolb smokes Dallas. We’ll be the talk of the town once again.
I think I’m still in the denial stage about that game. I can’t help but think that if it was Tom Brady and not Joe Webb and alot of those throws were actually completed…ouch. Ok, whatever at least we dont need to worry anymore about where our chances lie.
joe webb made his throws, made the plays
that is why they won
by andyfrombrooklyn on Dec 29, 2010 9:21 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not sure what you mean
by “if it was Tom Brady.”
Joe Webb completed 65% of his passes. Like andyfrombrooklyn said, Joe Webb played well and that’s the main reason why they won.
How refreshing
was it to see our QB actually take responsibility for something, not give scripted answers, and actually have some real emotion during his pc.
call up the biggest loser
im sure they got some fat &$$es that could play on the right side of the line.
what i pulled from the game
A. blitz packages from the vikings were terrible defended against. Where was Schmitt? put him in the backfield (AND KEEP HIM THERE not run someone to the line to block a person twice their size next to McGlycrap) and pull McCoy, its not like we were going to run the ball and the vikings knew it too.
B. O line was horribly planned and executed, too many times did i see two lineman putting the buns on a burger (double teaming) letting people loose on the outside, they need to do a better job maning up against people.
C. DeSean has lost a step due to injury
D. keep colt on special teams. he is terrible on defense.
E. McDermott (sp maybe) is terrible and throws the most obvious blitz packages that do nothing but stuff more bodies on the line and let wrs loose. JJ was always good because he mixed it up, i know you have had injuries McDermott but youve been BAD for the past two years begining to end with the exception for a very few games. your an NFL coach a few games dont make up for your full season payroll (besides to ESPN broadcasters)
97.5 mike n mike has already jumped off the bandwagon of vick hassleback is so pathetic with how short his attention span is.
end.
bad bad game.
He hit him in a bad spot... the hands.
by DaaaBirdsDaBirds on Dec 29, 2010 8:36 AM EST reply actions
Anyone remember the last regular season game last year against the Cowboys? Does anyone remember who they so easily beat us?
I remember the Birds blitzing like crazy, and all the Cowboys would do time after time, is run that stupid little bubble screen that always worked because we had everybody blitzing and nobody could catch up to tackle the ball. We NEED to start running something like this. If teams are going to start blitzing the shit out of us, we have to get some quick hitting plays back into this offense. It is still a west coast right?
something
six weeks of blitzing and it is working better and better for opponents. it should be the other way around
by andyfrombrooklyn on Dec 29, 2010 9:19 AM EST up reply actions
thanks jimmyk for the therapy
1.it was ugly
2.sometimes your team sucks, it had been a while, eagles were due
3.blitz protection is a serious problem, six weeks running
4.vikes are stacked with talent, had a disjointed messed up year, shit finally came together for them. webb is good. he won himself a real shot. he is big, accurate, hard to tackle, fast and elusive, made good reads. got it done.
5. giants are sweating it. it seems there will be a price for their loss two weeks ago.
6,7,8,9,etc…did i mention blitz protection. get to work andy.
by andyfrombrooklyn on Dec 29, 2010 9:17 AM EST reply actions
vick should not play unless they come up with solutions to plug the holes.
let kafka take some hits
by andyfrombrooklyn on Dec 29, 2010 9:22 AM EST reply actions
If Vick, DeSean, & Asante play next week I hope it isn’t for more then a quarter.
I just read that Andy yelled at Les Bowen during his press conference do you guys know why?
"You have been banned from Big Blue View...for rightly telling us a) what a shitsack blog we run and b) what a shitsack team we root for"
"Roger Goodell, Eagles' owner Jeff Lurie and president Joe Banner, and Mayor Nutter - you are the Wimps Who Stole Christmas"--Will Bunch. Philadelphia Daily News
by EvilBanner on Dec 29, 2010 10:19 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think that’s the 2nd or 3rd week in a row reporters showed up late. Last week someone said, "I just got here, sorry if this was asked already, but… " followed by the exact question that was previously asked. Really dumb… if you’re late, sit down, shut up, and copy someone elses notes after it’s over.
Agreed. It definitely is a pain in the ass getting down there in time. The elevators are packed. But if you do get down there late, chances are if you have a generic enough of a question in which you think it was already asked, then it probably was already asked, in which case you’re gonna get the transcript handed to you like 15 minutes later anyway. Still, if you’re Reid, is it really that big of an inconvenience to take 2 seconds to repeat your answer?
Still, if you’re Reid, is it really that big of an inconvenience to take 2 seconds to repeat your answer?
While being completely pissed off from the game and couple of guys asking a lame question? Sure. And he did give his standard answer after chewing the guys out.
Reid then gives the reporters a standard press conference answer.
"We need to do a better job there, we need to be sure we put [the [players] in the right position," Reid said.
From link above.
RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
RIP Sean McDermott's job.
The Bears are looking to be the two seed right now..Atlanta would ice the
One seed with a win over Carolina, Jimmy..but your right..since Atlanta plays at 1pm..they will most likely do just that and then the Bears will sit starters..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
The thing that upsets me is
This is the second straight year we had a chance at a first round bye and be blew it two in a row
Let's get it Birds.
by homestar2281 on Dec 29, 2010 9:54 AM EST via mobile reply actions
this is different than last year though
this year we were going to need help to get it…last year all we had to do was win…and we got blown out
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!
We are still the NFC EAST CHAMPS… home field advantage.. our bye week is next week instead of the following week. The only disadvantage is we play 2 good teams instead of only 1. But Green Bay and the Bears are both beatable.. Our Coordinators just have to show up.
I’m going to head to Modells and buy the longest pair of cleats I can find and send them to the Eagles secondary for soldier’s field..who’s with me?
I am still trying to be a optimist, so Im going with the theory of “The Saints lost to the Buccaneers at the end of their season, and rebounded from that to win the SB”
"I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care. "
Good thought
It has happened.
Secretary of State for BGN aka "Most diplomatic man on this site," as appointed by Talon Talent
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
This game has left me feeling all whatever
Sure, it was ugly, but who cares? It will wake the team up…and it’s better to lose now then in the first round.
Writer for SB Nation's Philadelphia Union blog, The Brotherly Game
Twitter: @soundofphilly
Would've been cool
to not lose at all
Secretary of State for BGN aka "Most diplomatic man on this site," as appointed by Talon Talent
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
I appreciate your optimism, but I just don't see it.
Resting starters this week is well and good. It should happen. But it won’t change the fact that our offensive line will still be crappy. Clay Matthews is gonna be on Vick all day if we play the Packers. And our secondary will get torched by Rodgers. It’s not that I don’t think we can win, it’s just that I won’t be surprised if we shit the bed. The comeback against the Giants was incredible, but other than those 8 minutes we have not been a very good football team recently.
I really do hope Reid rests some people though. If not everybody then at least Vick. He will need all his rest and strength to face the Packers. And Kolb will need to get reps in before the playoffs since Vick may very well get hurt at some point.
I am glad the Eagles got a loss out of the way, but disturbed by the inability of the offence to chage the game plan. Do you think Tom Brady would have always looked for deep routes on blitzs? No. The offence would have called some plays to the vacated spot of the blitz or a screen. I didn’t see any of this til the 4th. A couple of times I saw McCoy wide open for a short pass during the blitz but Vick just throw it sown field to a having a bad night Jackson. I used to think this shit was McNabb’s fault . Most of the year the Eagles have adapted but tonite was not one of them. I think Andy Ried puts too much emphasis on the deep pass when I feel the Eagles could do Drew Brees and the Brady thing with 8-10 yard pass til you are dead.
I wasn't even a year old but I stayed up to be outside the Vet with my Dad and Mom when the Phillies won the World Series 1980.
Who Knows Wuts Gonna Happen.
One thing i do knw is we’ve played A LOT more games A LOT better than last nights game. The laws of average say we shall play better the next few games. We have gotten so used to seeing the team rally,or get an early lead that we aren’t used to having to rally back. Except for the NYG game,we haven’t had to make such a thrilling comeback. But its good to knw we can.
Expect Greatness
by Dunta Is A PUNK on Dec 29, 2010 11:26 AM EST reply actions
Look, the o-line and the blocking has been OWNED two games in a row. Andy and Marty will fix this. They’re too good of coaches not to.
by ghostofandrewatters on Dec 29, 2010 11:33 AM EST reply actions
It's a good thing we most likely wont be playing another team with such a good front 7.. Outside of the Giants and Vikings,
I dont think another front 7 is of that caliber
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
"Please notice the difference and proceed to suck your own tiny ass cock. Secondly, A simulator shows how things COULD go, not WOULD.. Once again bend in half and do the deed.." From me.. To CNCITINFO.
is that the problem?
because the defenders in the backfield thing is a real problem
by andyfrombrooklyn on Dec 29, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
Green Bay is tied for third in the NFL in sacks because of Clay Matthews and their excellent blitz schemes(and we suck at blitz pickup). Bears also gave us fits with Peppers and Co.
Yes I know... It was pretty much sarcasm...
Like if we go against anyone with a good-great front 7 our OL (especially the right side) has issues.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
"Please notice the difference and proceed to suck your own tiny ass cock. Secondly, A simulator shows how things COULD go, not WOULD.. Once again bend in half and do the deed.." From me.. To CNCITINFO.
I agree that front 7s cause us big trouble
and really the only teams that have beaten us this year, or even held the O under 30, have been those teams.
Problem is, with the exception of the Vikings, they’re all in the NFC side of the bracket, and standing between us and the SB. We can’t even avoid one to start, it’s Giants/Packers, then Bears, right?
I’ve moved to the “maybe they’ll surprise us” stage.
Secretary of State for BGN aka "Most diplomatic man on this site," as appointed by Talon Talent
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
I've noticed when we lose
about 50% of this board is ready to throw in the towell. Wuts up with u guys? Have some faith behind your team and stop bitching. It’s getting old.
Expect Greatness
by Dunta Is A PUNK on Dec 29, 2010 11:38 AM EST reply actions
I'm not ready to throw in the towel,
I’m just fucking pissed.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
"Please notice the difference and proceed to suck your own tiny ass cock. Secondly, A simulator shows how things COULD go, not WOULD.. Once again bend in half and do the deed.." From me.. To CNCITINFO.
The Cardinals of 2008
squeaked into the playoffs with a terrible defense, labeled as “the worst team to ever make the playoffs.” Yet they went on a tear and almost won the Super Bowl.
I’m definitely concerned after last night’s game, but we gotta keep the faith.
Anything can happen.
Fair enough
Playoffs are a fresh season.
Also, sometimes as fans we aren’t convinced it can happen until we see. It’s like we’re the last to know.
Secretary of State for BGN aka "Most diplomatic man on this site," as appointed by Talon Talent
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
The Cardinals of 2008 (cont'd)
lost to the Vikings 35-14 in Week 15, lost to the Patriots 47-7 in Week 16, then beat the Seahawks 34-21 in Week 17.
In the playoffs they beat the 11-5 Falcons in round 1, then the 12-4 number 1 seed Panthers… then we know what they did in the NFCCG against the Eagles.
Again… anything can happen.
The Cardinals of 2008 (cont'd)
I realize this analysis means nothing. I’m probably doing it more for my own personal therapy (comfort) than anything else.
But here are the rankings for each team.
ARI 2008:
Offense:
4th in yards/game (365.8 yds)
3rd in pts/game (26.7 pts)
Defense:
19th in yards/game (331.2 yds)
28th in pts/game (26.2 pts)
PHI 2010:
Offense:
1st in yards/game (399.1 yds)
2nd in pts/game (28.4 pts)
Defense:
12th in yards/game (330.9 yds)
22nd in pts/game (24.2 pts)
My point in posting this is to prove that if the 2008 Cardinals could get to the Super Bowl, then this Eagles team can too.
A) The Panthers were the #2 seed ;)….and
B) Those are my thoughts exactly. Plenty of teams crumble toward the end of the year and turn it on in the playoffs.
"Let's take this thing from the beginning. Let's go out and make some plays! Special teams, defense, big hits, turnovers, whatever it takes to win this thing!"
-Brian Dawkins
by McNabb2Maclin4Philly on Dec 29, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Does anyone know of a site that collects the total hits on a QB? Just trying to write a fanpost
inter arma enim silent leges
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 29, 2010 12:21 PM EST reply actions
Anyone listen to Cris Collinsworth explain playoff scenarios towards the end of the game?
He made absolutely NOOOOO sense. I couldn’t stop laughing my ass off as he was trying so hard to make complete sentences. Poor Al Michaels was so flabbergasted and needed a moment to himself to try and make sense of it all.
Before I am accused of flying off the handle
Let me say that I have considered this since the Colts game:
What if we go one-and-done in the playoffs? Vick is hobbled, contained, picked off, etc…
It’s draft day. Andrew Luck has declared. The Panthers give us a call. “Hey, we’ll give you Luck, a 3rd, and next years 1 and 2 for Vick.”
You, with your new 400 pound frame and sick ’stach, think about it. You thi nk, “Hey, Mike is 30 years old. He got this team moving. But is his style of play viable in the long run?”
You think about the success of Sam Bradford. New start? Stock up on more skilled players? Trade Kolb as well?
Do you take the deal?
by birds'n'raiders on Dec 29, 2010 12:27 PM EST reply actions
Quarterback is the least of our needs this offseason
If Vick isn’t the answer (and honestly, after one bad game, I’m not ready to write him off, especially after he essentially refused to let the team lose against the Giants. He’s re-defined the term “Taking the team on his shoulders” a week and a half ago), Kevin Kolb is proven, having beaten the team with the best record in the NFC without his best WR and pro bowl left tackle. I’d take him over an unproven rookie in a heartbeat.
Especially when you consider what you’d have to pay a quarterback as a first overall pick who hasn’t even taken a snap in the NFL (assuming, of course that there isn’t a rookie cap included in the CBA). The risk is too great when you’re shelling out that kind of money, and the reward isn’t anywhere close to guaranteed. Look at Matt Stafford with the Lions. He can’t even get on the field
Stafford can't get on the field due to injury
Not his fault. When he’s there, he’s great.
by birds'n'raiders on Dec 29, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
Yes
I’d take the deal.
I think the “next years 1 and 2” are the deal-maker. Luck and a 3rd wouldn’t be worth it, but the extra 2 picks are big.
But that deal is too good to be true.
I don’t think any team would trade that type of package for anybody. Even if it is Vick (MVP runner-up).
I’d do that deal in a heartbeat. the first overall pick (who I would not use on Luck), a high 3, a 1 in 2011, and a 2 in 2011. Sign me up.
The Panthers would never do that in a thousand years though.
thank you
No need for Luck, but we need some real talent in key positions… CB/LB/OT/G.. after last year’s draft we are a bunch of scrawny runts trying to play in shoes that are too big for us in the secondary. I’d love to see some raw talent out there. I never thought I’d say it but I wish we had taken Berry or Thomas or Mccourtney in the 1st round. We could have gotten Mccourtney by trading down in the draft, and used all our other picks to trade up and still gotten Nate Allen and more.
I also think Hobbs played better than we all thought… and I said that earlier this year even after his worst performance (where his injury held him back). He needed to get healthy and get his job back from Patterson. Worst decision ever was to have him go out and return kick offs again. And that’s not hindsight, I was posting about that risk before it happened. :(
Also, one of our first 3 picks next year better have some form of KR or Punt Return talent in it. I don’t want to see another year of Maclin or Chad Hall returning kicks.. so depressing.
I’d take a 1st and a 3rd for Vick in a heartbeat. Trade down and fill some holes with talent
inter arma enim silent leges
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 29, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
Carolina’s 1st
inter arma enim silent leges
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 29, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
Agree
I think that if there is any problem with Vick it is that he makes some miraculous plays, and the coaches get used to and expect this. So last night instead of adjusting much they just let Vick run for his life expecting that eventually he’ll make a play. Vick made bad plays but it was the play calling that put him in the situations, mostly.
This off-season the focus should be on OL / CB first.
Go Eagles!
Agree with this, I meant.
If Vick isn’t the answer (and honestly, after one bad game, I’m not ready to write him off, especially after he essentially refused to let the team lose against the Giants. He’s re-defined the term "Taking the team on his shoulders" a week and a half ago), Kevin Kolb is proven, having beaten the team with the best record in the NFC without his best WR and pro bowl left tackle. I’d take him over an unproven rookie in a heartbeat.
Go Eagles!
Reid had that problem with McNabb, too
He relies too much on his quarterbacks to make plays and win us games. 2001-2004 McNabb was that kind of quarterback, 2005-beyond McNabb was not that player, and we suffered as a result.
It’s worked with Vick this season because he’s had great games. But as soon as he has the bad one, we lose.
If your quarterback is struggling, run McCoy, do a freaking WR reverse, a play I love with Desean that I haven’t seen in a while, do anything to get the ball in the hands of your other playmakers and take the pressure off the quarterback. You can’t put it on Vick’s shoulders to put up 28 points every single week.
Looks like we have the Saturday night game for round one against whoever we play. Season ticket holders are already being told that.
Wild Eagles Ur Crazy!!!!!!! lol
What Defense have you been watchin for the Past two Seasons??
McDumbass is a JOKE!!!!! Cant wait to HE GETS FIRED and we bring in a REAL DC!
He (DC) has NO CLUE on what he is DOIN.
OUR DEFENSE went From TOPs in the League to one of Our weekest part of our Team.
Injuries happen and other DC on good Defense keep rollin.
Its FOOTBALL in the NFL, there are injuried players in all teams.
Thats what been a good Coach (DC) is all about.
I Sure Dont recall US (EAGLES) ever been DEAD LAST IN RED ZONE DEFENSE!!!
McDumbass gets out Coached by every OC we have played.
Since DAY ONE I WORRIED ABOUT HIRING HIM! (McDumbass)
Go Eagles! (i dont see us going FAR in Playoffs with Him being OUR DC)
OUR OFFENSE WILL HAVE TO CARRY THE LOAD IN ORDER FOR US TO KEEP OUR SUPER BOWL DREAMS ALIVE!
GO BIRDS!!!!!
Not even going to reply to this.. Not worth my time or effort..
get my name right and I’ll think about actually reading what you post.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
"Please notice the difference and proceed to suck your own tiny ass cock. Secondly, A simulator shows how things COULD go, not WOULD.. Once again bend in half and do the deed.." From me.. To CNCITINFO.
Hey..Your the division Champs..Your in the tournament..
Stop busting each others balls about it for cry’in out loud..Think about the playoffs..who gives a shit about ‘seeds’ right now..or any other bull for that matter…Worry about who’s next..It is what it is..Play some football and do good when doing good counts..Y’all are getting tied up in your drawers too tight..loosen up..Your team is representing the NFC East for chrisakes!!
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Appreciate the support
We’ve got to bring one home for division pride eventually.
(and for Jerome)
Secretary of State for BGN aka "Most diplomatic man on this site," as appointed by Talon Talent
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome

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