Michael Vick And LeSean McCoy Lead Eagles Over Texans 34-24
by JasonB on Dec 2, 2010 11:45 PM EST
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Michael Vick led a fourth quarter comeback to lead the Philadelphia Eagles over the Houston Texas 34-24 on Thursday Night Football. If the Giants or Bears had set out a blueprint for how to slow the Eagles offense a bit, the Texans either didn't get it or couldn't execute it as Vick lit them up for 302 yards passing, 48 yards rushing, and three total TDs (2 passing, 1 rushing). It was Vick's third 300 yard passing game of the season and fifth game with a QB rating over 100.
LeSean McCoy was the other offensive star with 130 yards from scrimmage and two TDs. DeSean Jackson, who had underwhelmed the past couple games, caught three passes for 84 yards.
As good as the Eagles offense was, the defense was almost that bad. The Eagles had built a 10 point lead at the half, but the defense just melted down in the third quarter giving up 14 straight points and surrendering the lead. The two Texans drives in that quarter went for a combined 24 plays and over 12 minutes. It was excruciating to watch the Texans move methodically down the field toward the red zone, where they'd inevitably score against the league's worst red zone defense. Vick and the offense bailed them out in this game, but we can't gloss over the fact that there's real problems on that side of the ball. Any win in December is good, but if we want to win some games in January the defense simply needs to be better.
Next up for the Eagles is a 10 day rest then a trip to Dallas to take on the Cowboys on Sunday Night football. After playing their 4th game in 17 days tonight, it'll be a much needed rest for this Eagles team. Notes on the game after the jump.
Michael Vick's Toughness
Gotta love Michael Vick's toughness tonight. He got beat up frequently and was seen clearly limping off the field a few times, but he came back and continued to make plays throughout the game. The play that just left your jaw dropped was when Bernard Pollard was literally hanging off his back 7 yards in the backfield and Vick threw him off and turned the play into a 7 yard game. The guy is a warrior and no one needs this 10 day rest more than him.
Brent Celek's Redemption
Brent Celek had pretty much lost me in this game. First, he dropped an easy TD pass from Vick just one play after Jason Avant had done the same thing. The Eagles had to settle for a FG on the play. Later in the game, Celek had a holding penalty which pushed the Eagles back out of the red zone. However, just two player later on 3rd and 19 Vick hit Celek about 5 yards shy of the first down marker and Brent pushed forward, rolling over a defender and reaching out to get the tip of the ball just beyond the first down marker. It was just a fantastic individual effort. The play was ruled short of a first down initially, but Andy Reid challenged and the play was overturned. Vick hit Owen Schmitt for a 5 yard TD two plays later for the final score of the game.
Andy Reid's Clock Management
Two opposite clock management moments for Andy tonight. First, a great move where he waited for the playclock to run down to 1 second before throwing the challenge flag on the Brent Celek 3rd and 19 play. The Eagles were up four at that point and at least in FG range, so burning an extra 40 or so seconds off the clock when you were going to challenge anyway was a crafty move.
Then of course with the Eagles up 10 and only three minutes remaining, they throw on third down to stop the clock for the Texans. So he batted .500 for the night, which is pretty good for him.
Trevor Laws Giveth And Taketh Away
Up and down game for Trevor Laws tonight. First, he made a great play intercepting a Matt Schaub pass near the end of the first half to stop a little momentum the Texans had built up and set the Eagles up for three points heading into the half. Then, as the Texans were driving in the 3rd quarter the Eagles had made a third down stop but it was negated by a laws neutral zone infraction. That ended up leading to the go ahead TD for Houston.
Andy & Marty's Game Plan
I really loved the playcalling in this game. The Texans seemed to try to employ the Bears game plan of bringing pressure with their front 7 and playing their safeties way back off the line of scrimmage. What type of play does that scream for the Eagles to call in response? A screen right? Yes! Andy/Marty took notice and called a bunch of screens that ended up gashing the Texans for big yardage. If a team is going to play that strategy against the Eagles, you have to be able to punish them with the screen.
As a result of the game plan LeSean McCoy caught 8 passes for 86 yards and TD tonight.
David Akers Passes Brian Dawkins
David Akers played his 184th game as an Eagle tonight which put him past Brian Dawkins for the most in franchise history. Of course, the 184 games played by Akers were a whole lot different than the ones played by #20...
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Great game offensively, but like you said, our D is looking terrible at this point, both the front seven and our secondary.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
max you're crazy
Our d held arian Foster to less than four ypc. Hardly terrible. Our pass d has looked bad but that is to be expected with asante out.
by flyeaglesfly10 on Dec 3, 2010 12:52 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
24 points
To an explosive office with the leagues top RB and arguably best wr minus our best playmaker on defense I’m not going to complain. We won. And yeah 3.8 ypc for arian Foster is not that bad.
by flyeaglesfly10 on Dec 3, 2010 1:09 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Meh
Coming into the game, the Texans per-game averages were 24 points, 235 pass yards (6.6 ypa), 132 rush yards (4.9 ypc), and 0.8 turnovers.
Tonight they had 24 points, 323 pass yards (8.5 ypa), 108 rush yards (4.2 ypc), and 2 turnovers.
So the same points, much better passing, slightly worse rushing, and more turnovers. On the whole, it sounds kinda average to me. You can never be happy about giving up 431 yards, but with two turnovers mitigating the damage a litle, it’s not a terrible performance against this offense by any means.
That being said, don’t get me wrong, I’m sure hoping the defense gets better with Asante back.
Our offense time of possession was our only defense
Otherwise they would have had 600 yards
24 points
To an explosive offense with the leagues top RB and arguably best wr minus our best playmaker on defense I’m not going to complain. We won. And yeah 3.8 ypc for arian Foster is not that bad.
by flyeaglesfly10 on Dec 3, 2010 1:09 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
If you say so
But they ran successfully when they needed to and I don’t think to many teams think their opponent rushing for an average of 3.8 YPC is a success. I’m happy we won, but I’m not happy with our defense.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
Also, I’m not really sure what “they ran successfully when they needed to” means. Was there a part of the game where they didn’t really need to?
His first down runs gained: -2, 9, 1, 6, 3, -2, -2, 3, 4, -4, 1, 4, 7. Eight out of 13 were held to fewer than 4 yards, and four lost at least two yards. Nothing wrong with that.
3.9 is bad, even if his average is higher
It’s like saying you help Manning to 350 yards and 3 TD’s versus 400 yards and 4 TD’s, it’s improvement, but not really any to brag about.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
if Mannings avg
Was 400 yrds per GM and 4 tds. Bad analogy dude. We won bottom line without our best defender. Watch how much better the d looks with some rest and Samuel and Parker back.
by flyeaglesfly10 on Dec 3, 2010 1:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If you say so
But if think anyone is impressed with 3.9 YPC, you’d be mistaken.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
About to show AR’s postgame speech:
(1) – Odds he says “I’ll see you all on (fill in the day).” 3-1.
(2) – What day will it be? I say Tuesday.
We won? Based on the comments in the third quarter, I thought we were down 300 points.
But really…
That play by Celek was great. I know he’s had a bad year and not even an overall great night, but plays like that are why he’s well liked in Philly.
Our D is awful. We need Asante back. I know MG77 is all about how our D is mediocre with anyone in there, but Asante makes it worlds better.
And watching NFL network…why do they all hate the birds?
Nice writeup
This defense needs to prove it’s playoff-ready. Sooner rather than later would be good.
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
In case you didn't realize...
Asante Samuel is fucking critical for this defense to function.
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100% agreed
our depth at CB sucks, and asante just shuts down the right side of the field.
Amen
With Samuel in the lineup, Cutler doesn’t look like a Pro Bowler (his performance still boggles my mind)
With Samuel in the lineup, the Texans passing yards wouldn’t have been as high.
But it is good to know t he Eagles can win, without Samuel in the lineup
by BirdsFanintheDesert on Dec 3, 2010 4:18 AM EST up reply actions
Any win in December is good, but if we want to win some games in January the defense simply needs to be better.
No question. Look at the 2 playoff teams that were stacked offensively last postseason, but couldn’t play defense – The Packers and Cardinals. They played each other round 1, and Cards came away with that ridiculous 51-45 game. It’s OK if you can outscore another team with a terrible D, but it’ll eventually catch up with you. And sure enough, the next week the Cards got blown out 45-14 by the Saints.
Yes
Hopefully Asante will benefit from the time off, he’s indispensable in the secondary. Hanson Patterson can’t get it done by themselves.
Respect is not given, it is earned goddoggit! - Brian Dawkins
Isn't it true that by Asante locking down the weak side/off receiver
that they’re free to double or roll coverages to the ‘on’ receiver’s side?
NFC playoff teams though seem to be diverse in that they have balanced passing attacks. Who do you double on the Saints or the Packers or the Giants?
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On the bright side ...
… and I realize it’s tough to find one as our defense gets worse by the week, but we are a pretty damn good 4th quarter team, it appears. I feel confident when we’re down and need a score that Vick can lead us to points. Aren’t you?
I guess I’d rather have the O out there than the D at this point.
But that’s another key trait playoff teams need to exhibit.
I say solid win. I don’t mind seeing the Eagles get pushed as long as they push back
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Agreed
We have the fortunate ability to come from behind when it counts…something that has been eluding us for years
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Didn't want to go straight there
But I knew it was going there. And the confidence is a nice feeling.
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Statistically, the Packers were one of the best defensive teams last year
by Screen Name 20 on Dec 3, 2010 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
Is there any other RB better on screens in the league than mccoy?
"If I can get you to think twice, I'm in your head."
-Brian Dawkins
"Yeah, I like to hit people"
-Brandon Graham
You have to hand it to the offensive line coaching, really, if it goes from generation to generation.
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Dec 3, 2010 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
hahaha
I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
RIP JJ
Vick wipes is his ass with Reid
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by wild_eagle on Dec 3, 2010 12:06 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I like the progression of the action, there. “Fist bump, err, high fiv— ah, chestbump!”
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Dec 3, 2010 12:33 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Heinz endorsement deal?
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did yall see the locker room after the game?
i really believe that with the attitude of this team, we’re gonna win the superbowl
I think there's a chance
with as wide open as the league is this, and with our offense’s ability to catch fire (really have never been shut down with Vick under center), but I really think the D is going to have to raise its level of play if we have such high hopes.
Right now I’d go with 6th NFCCG appearance.
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Great Win
Nothings ever easy. (Except vs washington). But we fought back and came out on top.
Expect Greatness
by Dunta Is A PUNK on Dec 3, 2010 12:07 AM EST reply actions
Vick...
Never have done any McNabb hating and I appreciate the good things he did over the years in Philly… but damn I LOVE when Vick throws or runs a touchdown and get’s excited on the field. It’s damn good to see the emotion that I think McNabb never really showed us.
by phillytransplant on Dec 3, 2010 12:08 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Agree.
I hate to be a bandwagoner but god damn Vick’s passes looked spot on. How many times have we cursed McNibbles for throwing a screen pass to the wrong side of the receiver/RB and slowing down their stride?
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by goodfella46er on Dec 3, 2010 12:46 AM EST up reply actions
+1
It is genuine, infectious and gets the whole unit playing better together. Also good to see him having quiet words one on one when things aren’t going great (see djax last week vs djax this week). It is leadership to a level that I didn’t dare hope for at the beginning of the season, and I believe it is at the core of this team’s resilience under adversity
by PrincetonGreen on Dec 3, 2010 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
Another issue besides the D
Not that I want to rain on the parade so to speak, but the penalties have got to stop at some point. You cannot survive with a defense that can get methodically beat at times AND be consistently giving up 8-10 penalties a game.
Few thoughts
- Jason Peters superior. Mario Williams inferior. For a guy who got a ton of stupid crap on here early this year, he has been a Pro-Bowl caliber performer the past month. Schooled some of the best DE in the league including Williams, Freeney, and Umenyiora. Gap between Peters and any other OL on this team is pretty vast.
- Man the rookies on defense continue to underwhelm me for the most part. Allen made that nice fumble strip but he struggled again tonight in coverage. Simply hasn’t been playing at the same level since he came back fom his injury. Graham has been up and down with more down so far. Coleman has been underwhelming. Lindlay looks flat out outmatched and not confident at all. Other guys haven’t contributed much.
- Vick is the straw that stirs this team. Reminds me of Cunningham in say ’88 or McNabb circa ’02 although Vick is playing at a higher level and has better skill players around him.
- Penalties continue to be a festering sore with this team.
- McCoy has had one of the most impressive jumps in performance and execution from his 1st year to his 2nd year by an Eagles’ player I can remember in a long-time. Much better all around especially on blitz pickup where he has very pretty damn good the past few weeks. Have to admit I never thought he would make this kind of jump this year all-around
- Celek is a maddening player to watch. He simply drops too many balls and isn’t a good enough blocker to be considered a top-tier TE. He has been the worst starting TE in the NFC East this year.
- One quote comes to mind when describing Sims – “You dumba$$.” Red Foreman. Bradley is another guy who continues to look tentative and not make proper reads in the running game and struggles more often than not in coverage.
- Eagles still got ripped off in the Tapp trade but Tapp has contributed alot more in his role than Clemons/Howard did last year as the DE who comes in on 3rd down.
- Mikell stunk last week. Couldn’t tell this week. Seems like he made some good plays and blew some others.
About Graham
I think he is just not completely used to playing the amount that NFL teams play in a season (which is understandable). With Parker out it isn’t helping the matter either because he is inevitably taking more snaps per game as well.
Yeah Parker’s injury certainly hasn’t helped but Graham doesn’t have played like a 1st round pick this year. Had some moments but have generally been seldom and spaced out.
I somewhat agree
I guess I’m just in the boat of willing to give him a full year of NFL experience before I become disappointed at all. I still think he has the potential to be a very good all around DE. At the same time, I was expecting a little bit more from him as well.
Injury didn’t help and I wasn’t expecting something crazy like 8-10 sacks. Just has had trouble getting to the QB consistently even though he faces a fair amount of 1-on-1 blocking and has struggled against the run at times.
My big disappointment
Is mostly that he hasn’t shown that he excels in one particular area even. He been both up and down in pass rush and run defense. I would be much happier if he were getting beat on the run but was rushing the passer well and just needed to learn that part of the game.
On the other side of the coin, he hasn’t been really bad at either at the same time so maybe he’s just learning both at the same rate … I know green shaded glasses there :)
He is a guy who looks like he needs to work on his offseason conditioning and get used to playing through the course of a 16-game season as a starter. Your right he hasn’t been awful in any area and hopefully he really takes a leap next year as a pass rusher.
Hanson is like a lefty reliever specialist in baseball. If you use him in a specific fashion (slot CB), he gives you pretty good numbers. If you ask him to do other things (play outside), he underwhelms.
Understatement
Agree with everything except the last word. Sucks donkey balls when trying to do anything else
by PrincetonGreen on Dec 3, 2010 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
I think our LB problems
Have to stem from the position coach. When we had Ron Rivera here, he turned an unknown Jeremiah Trotter into an All-Pro. Ever since he left, we have had nobody that knows LBs. We had McDermott for one a little while (who still continues to struggle with the defense and his own identity) and this year we have Bill Shuey, a former quality control guy. Seriously, we need some age and experience teaching that group.
Personally, I’m looking at Art Kaufman from UNC.
I wouldn’t be surprised if this was part of it. Last year, Eagles’ LBs got a pass because of the injuries to Bradley/Gaither and the inexperience of Fokou. This year I don’t know what the issues are because Sims should be an upgrade, Bradley is back, and Fokou has a bit of experience & is stronger.
Like I said
It has to be the teachings. Game in and game out, I see the LBs badly biting up on play action, slowly diagnosing the run/pass, and late in coverage. You’re right, it should be an upgrade, but it really hasn’t been. I mean, maybe its only me, but when your starting MLB is only on pace to record 77 tackles in 15 games, there’s something wrong. Or any of your LBs are on pace to record such low tackles. Ernie Sims was a tackling machine in Detroit in 3/4 seasons record 110+ tackles, but here he’s only on pace for 61. I mean, something has to be done.
Had that pass interference call and he had arguably his easiest assignment of the year at TE with Daniels out. I would need to look at the game take but it seemed like the guys played well in front of him including Patterson but that he should have had a few more tackles with as much as Foster ran between the tackles.
McCoy
Well said. He is SO much better this year.
- McCoy has had one of the most impressive jumps in performance and execution from his 1st year to his 2nd year by an Eagles’ player I can remember in a long-time. Much better all around especially on blitz pickup where he has very pretty damn good the past few weeks. Have to admit I never thought he would make this kind of jump this year all-around
Also noticed Harrison in on at least one play where he picked up the outside rush & gave Vick time to throw.
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i thought Bradley looked good tonight
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Better than last week but...
He was making much more solid tackles tonight – the inside-out tackle on Taylor in the 2nd was a thing of beauty. But I agree with the earlier comment that he is getting sucked in on bad reads about half the time. I saw at least 3 plays where he bit hard on the slant-left play action leaving Schaub with about 20 minutes alone on the bootleg right. On a couple of the other isolation cams from behind the texans side of the ball, you consistently see him taking one or two steps in the wrong direction before scrambling to get back to where he should be. I don’t know if it is coaching or confidence or a bit of both – but he’d be alot better off holding his ground for a second and taking his first step in the right direction a higher percentage of the time. Totally agree that the low number of tackles by MLB is a sure sign that this is a weak point
by PrincetonGreen on Dec 3, 2010 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
let me re quote myself then
he looked good in the run d to me.
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Then of course with the Eagles up 10 and only three minutes remaining they throw on third down to stop the clock for the Texans. So he’s batted .500 for the night
If I remember correctly they were trying to set up a screen on when it was 3rd & long, we were killing them all night on the screen so I can understand what Andy was thinking because if they convert there it would of been hard for the Texans to get the ball back.
I was telling my dad during the game that it is way to early to talk draft especially since we’re most likely headed to the playoffs but I can almost guarentee that our first two picks will be a CB(wouldn’t be surprised if we traded up to get one) and a interior OL so Vick doesn’t get killed next year.
OL for sure
In the first round I’m expecting them to take an OL. I would be surprised to see them take a CB in the 1st round, or even the second for that matter. Having said that, it all depends what the do with the Kolb/Vick situation and how many picks they end up with. Either way, this team is too good to be talking the draft in December … leave that discussion to Cowgirls fans.
Definitely think it'll be a line and CB-heavy draft
I wouldn’t mind if they took more than one. As we’ve learned, you can never have too many OL who can play. You can definitely have not enough.
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Vick hugging Marty
after every win.
I love that sight. Love it.
Wait, I think we're overlooking something...
Is Winston Justice ok????
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
"Please notice the difference and proceed to suck your own tiny ass cock. Secondly, A simulator shows how things COULD go, not WOULD.. Once again bend in half and do the deed.." From me.. To CNCITINFO.
Initial report was ‘knee sprain’ when they took him into the locker room but there wasn’t any more updates after that.
Fuck... I hope we dont lose him, we need him
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
"Please notice the difference and proceed to suck your own tiny ass cock. Secondly, A simulator shows how things COULD go, not WOULD.. Once again bend in half and do the deed.." From me.. To CNCITINFO.
who's backing him up?
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i thought he was starting tonight?
i know i saw him on the field a lot tonight. either way, ya’ll should hope Justice well soon…
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Question
Looking ahead to next week (sorry…)
A lot has been said about the Eagles record off of a bye week under Reid. Does anyone know how we’ve done after a week and a half off? I know its a small sample size and doesn’t mean anything, but just interested to know.
In 2008 after our Thanksgiving game vs. Arizona, the Eagles beat the Giants 20-14.
I know before this Thursday games were less common, but were there any in Reid’s tenure?
"A picture may be worth a thousand words, but a word from Harry Kalas painted a thousand pictures."
-Doug Glanville
4 gams in 17 days
3-1 including quality wins vs. Colts, Giants and Texans. That’s solid. It is uncanny how Reid’s teams play better in Nov/Dec than they do in Sept/Oct.
I'm not even sure it's uncanny
It might be by design. Not so much that they lose on purpose, but they figure out who they are and adapt to it after about 6 games each year.
Maybe it is uncanny.
I definitely like it. Also why I never panic with our annual baffling road loss to AFC team.
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wait
how come when we beat the Texans, it’s a bad team, but when y’all beat him, it’s a quality team?
just saying…..
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oh yeeeahhh!
i forgot to add that into the equation. got it, thanks.
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I think there are varied opinions among our members. If one person said that the Texans aren’t good a few weeks ago, it doesn’t mean that sentiment is shared by the entire city of Philadelphia.
Personally, I don’t see the Texans as a quality opponent. Quality offense? Most definitely. Quality team? Hardly. The Eagles were lucky to escape with the W tonight.
by JimmyK on Dec 3, 2010 1:03 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
it was gametime
when y’all hit that 3rd and forever. y’all played well, took control of the game when you had to.
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I haven't looked up the stats,
but another positive seemed to be the special teams play tonight. Outside of the holding call which called back the opening touchdown return, i thought the special teams did a decent job.
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by Mitchell Green on Dec 3, 2010 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
YES!
That dude seems to be tackling on every ST play.
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The whole interview was good
and they replayed it all night.
If he didn’t * have * to leave open the possibility of things not being worked out as any wise pro set to get a new contract would, he couldn’t be more grateful to the Eagles organization and in love with the city of Philadelphia.
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We have the Best QB in the NFL and the most versatile RB!!!
Damn I love Shady!!!!
Left Cheek Sneak!
Celek’s awareness of the 1st down marker on that 3rd and 19 was HUGE!
And God bless Andy for running out the clock before that (weak-ass) red flag throw.
(I couldnt find a fitting pic with Andy and Celek, so instead: please enjoy this picture of a bunny with a pancake on its head.)
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Celek and the d
Call me crazy, but I don’t think Celek was that bad tonight and I certainly don’t think that pass was a gimme td catch, as it barely touched celek’s fingertips. Also, whoever says celek is not a good enough blocker? His blocking has massively improved this year. I also don’t think the defense was that bad. They had one bad quarter aided by a lot of no calls from the refs. When Samuel returns the d should regress to the mean again and play like they are capable of playing. Hopefully Parker is back for the dallas game. Graham would benefit from the depth again. He is clearly feeling the length of his first nfl season. They need to spell him more.
When Samuel returns the d should regress to the mean again and play like they are capable of playing.
Wouldn’t it be progress to the mean then?
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i would have
Like to hear vick say firmly I’m not going anywhere. If the front office screws this up ill puke. Trade kolb get a first rounder and draft vick some help on the line and with the 32 yes the 32nd pick take a CB. Make it happen captain
by flyeaglesfly10 on Dec 3, 2010 1:05 AM EST via mobile reply actions
We have no clue
If we are going to get a first rounder for Kolb. As much as we want to believe it and we know what Kolb can do, remember this is a business. And just like a car, we would have to sell Kolb to other teams and that may be hard with the fact that he was benched no matter how Kolb was playing.
Kolb would easily fetch a 1. Easily. And I’m not so sure the Eagles would pull the trigger for just a 1.
I'm not so convinced
That he would easily. Last summer, I would have been surprised if he didn’t pull 2. This year, I’m not so sure.
they better pull
The trigger. I would take a 1 all day. Kolb is as good as gone. Arizona or Minnesota is gonna be begging
by flyeaglesfly10 on Dec 3, 2010 1:16 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I remember the days when fans undervalued draft picks. It’s swung the complete opposite direction the past few years.
Kolb is a bona fide “franchise QB.” They don’t grow on trees. He’s signed through 2011, which is an eternity in the NFL, particularly when your starting QB takes an absurd number of hits on a weekly basis.
Not to mention, if you deal him, guess what… You’re going to have to draft a QB to groom for the future.
To deal Kolb for a prospect just seems foolish and short-sighted to me.
by JimmyK on Dec 3, 2010 1:26 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Kolb is a franchise QB?
I think not. He has played effectively this year for the most part but at a ‘franchise’ level? That’s been Vick this year. Not Kolb. Kolb has shown that he can be effective starter at the NFL level.
As for status, being only signed through 2011 makes it a bit iffy on what draft pick a team would give up for him unless they could work out a pre-arranged extension before the deal was completed. You don’t trade a higher 1st round pick for a QB who is only signed for a year.
Why?
When I think ‘franchise QB’ I think of a QB who can take a team to double digit wins and a deep playoff run. If Kolb was the QB of this team the entire year, I don’t think the Eagles would win in double digits nor be primed for a deep playoff run.
We won’t know that, obviously. Once he started to get going, he played 2 near-flawless games back-to-back (vs SF and ATL). He’s started 6 career games and was the NFL Offensive Player of the Week in 2 of them. He’s the first QB in the history of the league to throw for 300+ yards in his first 2 starts. I don’t want to hear about “The Eagles would be this or that if he started instead of Michael Vick.” Michael Vick is a freak of nature right now. What I care about is actual performance, and if you watch the tape of Kevin Kolb, you see a polished passer with all sorts of room to grow. You don’t groom a guy for 4 years, get to where he’s a bona fide quality starting NFL QB, and just hand him over for a pick. That’s nonsense.
Sure you do if you already have crazy amounts of money tied up in that position with another guy, will have to invest large dollars to control Kolb, and only control him for 1-more year.
I can also just as easily turn around and say that he was underwhelming in his starts vs. Skins and Titans and at the start of the Green Bay game. He also wasn’t ‘flawless’ in the SF game either. Stumbled in the red zone a bit and he missed some open guys at the game from where I watching. It was a good start, not near-flawless.
He’s has shown enough that he can be a potential quality starter in NFL. That’s saying alot because there aren’t that many of them running around. I just don’t think he is a franchise guy like McNabb or Vick are. Strikes me more as a Schaub or Cassel type who in the right situation (strong running game/decent line) can put up decent numbers.
I’m inclined to agree with MG on this one Jimmy. And I don’t mean it as anything against Kolb, but like I said this is a business and Kolb is a product. You have to assure people your product is worth it. Troy Smith was the starter over Joe Flacco at Baltimore till he got sick and Joe took over. From there the Ravens tried to convince other teams that he was a fully capable QB, but no other team would bite. Now he’s doing a very good job in San Fran while other teams now regret they didn’t take a chance on getting him while they had the chance because the Ravens just couldn’t convince everyone he was trade worthy. We know what Kolb is capable of, but we are also biased fans because he is home grown. To us he may be a “franchise QB”, but to others he is QB that was benched no matter what the circumstances and they have to be convinced that he is a starting caliber QB.
by macjack09 on Dec 3, 2010 1:58 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
(A) – I would contend that he wasn’t “benched.” He got hurt and didn’t get his job back because his replacement was playing at an MVP level.
(B) – The Ravens’ situation of a few years ago doesn’t compare to this one by even the most remote stretch. Joe Flacco is not Michael Vick. Kevin Kolb is not Troy Smith.
NFL teams don’t care about fan perception. They watch tape. And the tape says he’s a franchise QB.
No offense
But you kind of contradicted yourself. You said
Kolb is a bona fide "franchise QB"
Then you said
NFL teams don’t care about fan perception.
I mean, technically that second statement is a fan perception. Its not set in stone than Kolb is a franchise QB. Granted he has shown a lot of promise, but a guy who hasn’t played a full schedule yet (though not his fault) its a still premature to call the guy a franchise QB. As Eagles fans, we have seen what Kolb can do, but really he hasn’t shown enough to be considered “bonafide franchise QB.” Regardless of the stats. And so far, I have only heard 2 teams clarify Kolb as a “franchise QB.”
Im with Jimmy - picks are lottery tickets
I am on Jimmy’s side on this one. Look at the numbers, ANY draft pick is a gamble – there are just too many unknowns between prospect and performance. Kolb has run a complex system as well as anyone in the league. Of course he needs additional experience (to avoid the first snap jitters we saw in the GB opener) – but all the risk has been taken out. Teams can look at the tape and see the evidence, over enough games and against different systems to show that it isn’t a fluke. Not to say he hasn’t had some bad games, bad decisions, jitters – but those are exactly the things that can predictably be ironed out with time in the saddle.
Now look at the numbers on QB injuries and the impact on team performance. Can anyone say Miami or Tennessee or Cleveland or even Dallas??? QB injuries are becoming so frequent that I just don’t think you can afford to bet the whole season on one guy staying healthy. Look at what the economics are of a team that goes 12-4 vs a team that goes 4-12. I don’t have Lurie’s financial statements, but I would bet that the difference between the two is at least $50 million – possibly 5x that amount if it happens a couple of years in a row and it impacts franchise value. So isn’t it worth an ‘extra’ 5 million a year (say $7 million vs $2 million) to have a Kolb-quality #2 versus a Kitna-quality #2? If we were down to just Kolb OR Vick and Kafka at the start of this season, then we wouldn’t be in playoff contention today – because Kafka would have had to start at least 2-3 games.
Even better, Kolb and Vick both seem to be “team first” guys that are willing to stay together to ensure mutual success – whoever is the starter.
In my view that is almost unbelievable good fortune – don’t mess with it, not for a couple of draft lottery tickets.
by PrincetonGreen on Dec 3, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
It would be...
But will the brass eat his contract at the rate he’s going right now?
Respect is not given, it is earned goddoggit! - Brian Dawkins
If you have Vick signed and can grab a high 1st round pick (top #15), you make that move especially if there is guy who think can be a key starter for you for the next 5-6 years.
Yeah I think that whole argument missed the point
Either he’s an effective starter or a franchise QB. Neither is germane to the point — which is what MG77 just said. If you can get a pick that you’re satisfied with, you do the deal. If not — this goes to Jimmy’s point — you need a capable backup, ESPECIALLY when you have Vick and you have Super Bowl dreams.
Although I think it’s a near certainty Kolb will be dealt, as I think his value is as high as it can be for not actually being a starter, and he’s young, etc. and Vick is about to get a long-term deal, we definitely need to have a No. 2 who can come in and win games when Vick goes out.
You definitely have to factor in the cost of acquiring the next developmental/young franchise QB when deciding to deal Kolb.
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Some observations
Nice the way that the Eagles came back after having all of the momentum taken away in the third quarter.
McCoy is the real deal.
What’s with the Eagle’s drops in the end zone?
What’s with the Eagle’s (lack of) red zone defense?
Good to finally see Celek make a couple of big plays this season.
Penalties. Eagles have been sloppy all year and are not going far into the playoffs if it continues.
Come on refs, I know that you had your glasses on when you were watching the Eagles, but did you take them off when you were watching Houston? The Vick face mask comes to mind. I am not excusing the Eagles penalties, but was it really that one sided (11-4 in calls)?
Do we really miss Asante that much when he is not in the lineup? If so, get healthy dude. You have 10 days and we will need you against the Cowboys.
Vintage Reid calling a pass on third down with three minute to go, up by 10, and no time outs for Houston. WTF? I almost broke my TV on that one.
All in all a nice win. Eagles should have won and they did. They have 10 days until Dallas, which is nice. That said there are some things to fix if we want to go deep into the playoffs.
Go Eagles!
isn't grabbing the qb's facemask a penalty?
andy r should put a tape together for the league of the un flagged hits and facemasks on vick. at what point does the non protection of vick by the refs start to hurt the nfl’s pocketbook? you can’t tell me they don’t want vick healthy for the playoffs?
by andyfrombrooklyn on Dec 3, 2010 7:26 AM EST reply actions
Some of the hits on Vick are when he is not in the pocket....
He needs to learn to slide and protect himself. I don’t blame the league for that.
But yeah, the face mask non call was pretty bad. You could see his neck twist. Pretty obvious, I thought.
Go Eagles!
except for the refs who were watching a different part of the play apparently.
was vick holding the ball? is vick the qb? is vick the biggest star on that field? yes, yes, and yes. so ican see why the refs were watching a different part of the play.
by andyfrombrooklyn on Dec 3, 2010 7:38 AM EST up reply actions
There were 2
vick facemasks, neither called
by PrincetonGreen on Dec 3, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
and the head tap of manning four weeks ago?
rules are rules
by andyfrombrooklyn on Dec 3, 2010 7:34 AM EST reply actions
except when it comes to money. it is all about money. peyton is money.
and that is the tact the eagles should pursue as they lobby the league for a little protection of their star player.
by andyfrombrooklyn on Dec 3, 2010 7:36 AM EST reply actions
Absolutely
That roughing call on Cole last night was because Brady missed a whole season on a play similar to that. I’d like to see that play again … I did not think that Cole dove into his legs.
Go Eagles!
So, I went to the game last night and got to see my first FULL Michael Vick game – you really gotta give it to this guy. He got beat up and I was afraid what was going to happen to him, but he toughed it out and was continually a playmaker.
On the opposite side of it, nice pick Trevor, but other than that – wow – Their offense isn’t THAT good. I think it was Dimitri who had a really dumb penalty, but overall this unit just looked sloppy. If we make a playoff run, I can almost guarantee that its this defense that will end up losing the game for us. I can say they are definitively streaky on what games they want to show up to.
Ok, so now I have to down coffee like water cause i’m tired as f*ck right now
sadly true
it was the d that lost the bears game.
by andyfrombrooklyn on Dec 3, 2010 7:52 AM EST up reply actions
Ummm
The Texans offense really is THAT good…just look at the numbers. They don’t lie. One of the best and most explosive offenses in the nfl.
by PhilsForever on Dec 4, 2010 12:47 AM EST up reply actions
I think it is too
And I think we were spoiled in the Jim Johnson years by our defense being THAT good. I’d say 20 of the defenses in the NFL each year give up yards and points and 3rd down conversions like ours does this year, we’re just not used to being one of them and we have no tolerance for it.
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on a better note
Eagles are 6-0 in games where they score on the opening drive, so at least you have an idea of where its going before you get too far into the game
but you watch the whole thing either way
Even when you know it’s going to be a 13-9 loss to the Raiders.
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how about Sav?
has anyone noticed the play of Sav Rocca lately?
it seems like every one of his punts has been consistently going ~45 yards with the returner either a) fair catching inside the 20 or b) getting wrapped up inside the 20.
maybe i’m just seeing what i want to see, but i think he’s kicking the ball really well these days.
Don't take this as bashing
but I think this is a legitimate question:
When do dropped TDs in the redzone stop being a one-time aberration to a trend?
I think I’d call either a McCoy or Vick run all the time, as they can’t drop the ball that way.
Just keep coming and we'll find a way to win, because the opportunity is there.
The opportunity is there.
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