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Giants have major OL problems (breaking update)

The Giants learned today that they have lost backup C Adam Koets for the season, due to a torn ACL he suffered in the Giants' thrashing of Seattle yesterday.  While that may not seem like a huge setback, Koets is a quality backup on a team that has the 2nd oldest offensive line in the NFL.  Their starting center, Shaun O'Hara, has missed 5 games this season with a couple different foot injuries - He missed 4 games earlier this season with bursitis in his left foot, and he missed the Seahawks game due to a mild sprain of the dreaded Lisfranc ligament in his right foot.

When Koets went out yesterday, the Giants shifted LG Rich Seubert to C, LT David Diehl to LG, and wait for it... our old friend Shawn Andrews filled in at LT.  Chris Snee and Kareem McKenzie manned their usual spots at RG and RT, respectively.

Diehl also went out with a sprained hip joint, and rookie 5th round pick Mitch Petrus filled in at LG.  Diehl's injury isn't believed to be overly serious, although he's having an MRI today.  Diehl also had to leave the Giants' game against Houston earlier this season due to "cramps."

Having 3 players along your OL filling in at positions they're not accustomed to playing is not ideal, by any stretch of the imagination.  Andrews actually played well at LT against Seattle, but it would be interesting to see him play a full game against a competent pass rush.

Star-divide

 

The entire offseason, I harped on the Cowboys' age and lack of depth along the offensive line.  As a quick recap, 4 of their starters will be 32 by the end of this season.  It caught up with them in a big way this season.  If the Giants have to go with a lineup of Andrews-Diehl-Seubert-Snee-McKenzie for any sort of extended period of time, they face several issues:

  • They have no depth whatsoever in that scenario.  The only real depth of note would be swing tackle William Beatty.  Beatty broke his foot in September, had surgery, and is scheduled to return sometime this month.  Even when he's ready to return, if he's called into action how effective could he possibly be after missing so much time?  Giants fans may contend that Mitch Petrus played well yesterday in his limited action, but I'm not so sure I'd put a lot of stock into a fresh, eager player stepping into action against a demoralized defense in a second-half blowout.
  • How well can Shawn Andrews really play at LT for an extended period of time?
  • How much help will the Giants need to give their OL, and how will the extra attention to the opposing pass rush affect the strength of their offensive, which is their deep and talented receiving corps?

If Shaun O'Hara can return and play well, most of those issues are resolved.  But O'Hara is 33 years old and is 2 foot injuries deep already this season.  Add in the fact that Diehl is 30 (and also battling some minor injuries), McKenzie is 31, and Shawn Andrews has a long history of debilitating physical and mental setbacks.  The Giants' OL situation is beginning to look very familiar to me.

[Update by JimmyK, 11/08/10 6:01 PM EST ] - No sooner do I post this, and I learn that there's breaking news that David Diehl has a partially torn left hamstring and will miss several weeks.

Let's go ahead and change "Giants have OL issues" to "Giants have major OL problems."

I'd have to imagine that if O'Hara can't go at C, their lineup against Dallas this week will be Andrews-Petrus-Seubert-Snee-McKenzie.  That's a recipe for disaster.

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Before I read Diehl is injured badly

I was going to comment that Andrews-Diehl-Seubert-Snee-McKenzie is how the line started and played most of the time yesterday.

I have confidence in that line for a short amount of time.

But Diehl out for a while means Beatty better get better soon.

All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Michael Strahan

by Willgfass on Nov 8, 2010 6:08 PM EST reply actions  

I really hope was can take the momentum from the win over the Colts and roll over the Redskins and Giants. After that our schedule gets pretty easy, other then the other Giants game. I’d love a bye in the first round of the playoffs,

Fly Eagles Fly, on the road to Vicktory!

by KeepSwinging on Nov 8, 2010 6:09 PM EST reply actions  

Geez, it’s looking like Eagles currently has the best o-line in the NFC East at the moment. Which is kinda sad.

RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.

by Imp on Nov 8, 2010 6:13 PM EST reply actions  

Now I wouldn't go that far

Did you see them get manhandled by the friggin’ COLTS?

manhandled … Colts …

by MyronBales on Nov 8, 2010 7:18 PM EST up reply actions  

They did? That’s not what I saw.

by JimmyK on Nov 8, 2010 7:19 PM EST up reply actions  

come on man you know vick barely escaped like 3 or 4 sacks where he threw the ball as he was being thrown to the ground, even though the Colts actually have a great D-line so I dont know what Myron’s talking about in that regard.

by fhqwagads on Nov 8, 2010 10:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I saw Vick standing back in the pocket with ALL DAY to throw on more than just a few occasions. They had a great game. Are they going to keep the opposing pass rush from getting pressure on every single play? That’s totally unrealistic.

by JimmyK on Nov 9, 2010 4:58 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I’m just saying in some cases he barely avoided atleast 3 or 4 sacks like .2 seconds longer and that’d be recorded as a sack.

by fhqwagads on Nov 10, 2010 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Is the Colts D-line suddenly bad?

I don’t think Freeney/Mathis having good games against you is anything to be embarassed about, regardless of whether or not it happened yesterday.

Secretary of State for BGN aka "Most diplomatic man on this site," as appointed by Talon Talent
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome

by D3Keith on Nov 8, 2010 8:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know Jimbo

I really don’t think this warrants comparison to the Cowboys.

If anything this just shows how good of a job Jerry Reese has done putting serviceable depth behind the O-Line.

We lost two centers, and a guard before going on a 13 minute drive to end the game yesterday. If we have more injuries there is room for concern, but that would probably be due to the fact we’re getting into the third or fourth spots on the depth chart, which realistically no one could plan for.

If Diehl comes back healthy, our line would be:
Andrews (Pro Bowler), Diehl (Pro Bowler) Seubert, Snee (All Pro), and McKenzie.

With Petrus, who did look good yesterday regardless of who they were playing, and Beatty, who I completely agree has lots of questions left to be answered, at depth. If O’hara comes back, and Andrews keeps up his solid play against Dallas, Seubert (who has been more effective than anyone dreamed thus far) moves to depth, and you can add another Pro Bowler to the line at center.

"We’re going to hit the quarterback as many times as possible, and if he doesn’t make it through the game, then that’s unfortunate for him."
-Barry Cofield

by tito (eight and oh) on Nov 8, 2010 6:14 PM EST reply actions  

whoa there...

Andrews WAS a probowler years ago. He may still have the talent, but after being out of the league (and spending several years on the eagles IR) he has to prove it again.

by eagleyosh on Nov 8, 2010 6:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Given

that Jimmy wrote Andrews off as a disaster his comments that he had a good game against the Seahawks suggests that the Giants have got themselves a bargain.

As for how will Andrews do against a competent pass rush does Mario Williams of the Texans not count.

by G Fan in England on Nov 8, 2010 6:26 PM EST up reply actions  

How long did Andrews play in that Texans game, and how much help did they give him?

by JimmyK on Nov 8, 2010 6:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Long enough

for you to comment on BGN that Andrews held his own.

Do you want me to find your quote for you?

by G Fan in England on Nov 8, 2010 6:32 PM EST up reply actions  

...

"We’re going to hit the quarterback as many times as possible, and if he doesn’t make it through the game, then that’s unfortunate for him."
-Barry Cofield

by tito (eight and oh) on Nov 8, 2010 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Alright, I’ll answer for you – It wasn’t very long.

Allow me to pose another question – How comfortable are you with Shawn Andrews as your starting LT for an extended period of time?

by JimmyK on Nov 8, 2010 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

In all honesty

Just as, if not more comfortable than with Diehl at left tackle.

"We’re going to hit the quarterback as many times as possible, and if he doesn’t make it through the game, then that’s unfortunate for him."
-Barry Cofield

by tito (eight and oh) on Nov 8, 2010 6:48 PM EST up reply actions  

you forgot BAHA in the beginning

by T-rade on Nov 8, 2010 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

HAHAHAHAHHAHAH

"If I can get you to think twice, I'm in your head."
-Brian Dawkins

"Yeah, I like to hit people"
-Brandon Graham

by immynimmy on Nov 8, 2010 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

They're just jealous

of our better family atmosphere

All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Michael Strahan

by Willgfass on Nov 8, 2010 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

that may be more of a damning statement on Diehl if anything

Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!

by wilddre22 on Nov 9, 2010 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Ok...Giants fan here....

don’t mean to ruin the fun here, but Tito is right….

"We need to get him some more game experience and see him make decisions on the run. But I think he's earned the opportunity." - Eli Manning
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman

by andiamo708 on Nov 10, 2010 8:51 AM EST up reply actions  

o no, not the seahawks!
Demarcus Ware says hi & will a few times to Eli this weekend

I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
RIP JJ

by sports00fan00 on Nov 8, 2010 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Seahawks have actually done a good job pressuring the QB this year.

by youaretheman26 on Nov 8, 2010 6:55 PM EST up reply actions  

He forgot to say anything the last time

which was rude

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Nov 8, 2010 8:25 PM EST up reply actions  

haha, wasn’t he hurt

I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
RIP JJ

by sports00fan00 on Nov 8, 2010 8:35 PM EST up reply actions  

nope

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Nov 8, 2010 8:39 PM EST up reply actions  

He can't do much worse than Diehl

In case you have not noticed Diehl has been the weak link of the offensive line.

by Late for Dinner on Nov 9, 2010 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Completely agree.

Just makes the line look so sick when I throw it in there though lol

"We’re going to hit the quarterback as many times as possible, and if he doesn’t make it through the game, then that’s unfortunate for him."
-Barry Cofield

by tito (eight and oh) on Nov 8, 2010 6:26 PM EST up reply actions  

haha…I think last year eagles fans were playing a similar game with both Andrews (although I can’t remember if Stacy was a pro-bowler or just a competent starter…either way, neither of those descriptions fit stacy any longer).

by eagleyosh on Nov 8, 2010 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

How does a hip injury turn into a torn hamstring? Was he running to get into the MRI machine?

by youaretheman26 on Nov 8, 2010 6:56 PM EST reply actions  

Haha, excellent question.

by JimmyK on Nov 8, 2010 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

hip injuries often refer to the thigh bone, and one of the hamstring muscles originates on the thigh bone.

by eagleyosh on Nov 8, 2010 7:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks, definitely not a doctor here. Follow up question…doesn’t a sprain feel different from a tear?

by youaretheman26 on Nov 8, 2010 7:09 PM EST reply actions  

it’s all relative based on how much pain you can take. If Jon Runyan and I had the same injury, I might rate it as an 8 out of ten on the pain scale, whereas he may say it’s a 2. Obviously, the way the guy described it, this injury didn’t sound as serious to the medical staff as it turned out to be.

by eagleyosh on Nov 8, 2010 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Unfortunately

their defense is far and away the best in the NFC and will keep them in every game regardless of any OL problems

by MyronBales on Nov 8, 2010 7:17 PM EST reply actions  

"their defense is far and away the best in the NFC "

They beat the Texans, Bears and Seahawks. The 3 teams with winning records (thought the Seahawks will not have a winning record once the season is over) The Giants did this last year beat up all the ducks then fell from grace. I predict the same this year. i also predict a Dallas win this Sunday.

I stopped smoking 4 years ago so that’s not my problem.

I would love to blow up Texas Stadium... With team still in it

by eaglelover1 on Nov 8, 2010 8:20 PM EST up reply actions  

this year has more in common with 2008 then it does 2009

for reasons that are entirely too long to list.

And Hakeem Nicks registered his glock, so that ain’t happening.

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Nov 8, 2010 8:41 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Rorschach FTW. +1 for the name.

RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.

by Imp on Nov 8, 2010 9:21 PM EST up reply actions  

FB!

"He wasn't an astronaut, he was a tv comedian! And he was just using space travel as a metaphor for beating his wife!"

by groot on Nov 8, 2010 9:38 PM EST up reply actions  

You can shoot yourself with a registered gun

if you’re stupid enough

"What a gorgeous dog. What do you feed him?"

by waterfield on Nov 9, 2010 6:55 AM EST up reply actions  

but you're not gonna go to jail!

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Nov 9, 2010 7:11 AM EST up reply actions  

THe Eagles have beaten a whopping two teams with winning records

one of which lost to the Texans. And they beat the 2-6 Lions and the 2-6 49ers by a combined six points. None of this means anything but what they do to each other.

"Stop the run to earn the right to rush the passer"- great philosophy from new SU DLine coach Jimmy Brumbaugh.

by bigbluethruandthru on Nov 8, 2010 9:39 PM EST up reply actions  

+6-2

"We’re going to hit the quarterback as many times as possible, and if he doesn’t make it through the game, then that’s unfortunate for him."
-Barry Cofield

by tito (eight and oh) on Nov 8, 2010 11:48 PM EST up reply actions  

You went there.

if the texans are so bad, then who good have you beaten at all?
Carolina? they don’t have a qb
Chicago? w/o Cutler
Detroit? (who is very underrated with respect to their record) by 8? w/ Hill & Stanton
Dallas? by 6? w/o Romo
Seattle? w/o Hasselback

So what team have the Giants beaten with the starting qb plays? NO ONE. The only “impressive” win was Seattle & based on the lack of offensive production for Seattle and the time of possession for the Giants,(even with running the clock out in the 2nd half) i don’t see a single thing that scares me or makes me think the Giants are great. They are vastly overrated.

I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
RIP JJ

by sports00fan00 on Nov 9, 2010 8:37 AM EST up reply actions  

In reply

Carolina was week 1 of a new season – we played a team that destroyed us week 16 of the previous season so a big win in terms of mental aspect and against a QB who finished 2009 strongly.

Chicago played with Cutler in the first half before we knocked him out after 10 sacks, we then knocked out his replacement Collins with a sack.

Detroit – you faced Hill at QB so I take 8 points win over 3.

Dallas – we knocked Romo out the game

Seattle we just rolled over on both sides of the ball – 35-0 at the half and a 13 minute drive in the 4th to run out the clock.

The difference between our two schedules is that we had Carolina and Seattle and you have the 49ers and Atlanta.

Let’s see Carolina beat the 49ers and Atlanta is 2-2 on the road including the loss to you whilst Seattle is 3-1 at home with the only loss to the Giants.

by G Fan in England on Nov 9, 2010 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

lets not sugarcoat things

Seattle, Carolina, and SF all suck. ATL is widely considered one of the top teams in the conference. The giants are doing well, and they can only beat the teams on their schedule, but let’s not act like beating any sucky team somehow makes either team a contender.

by eagleyosh on Nov 9, 2010 10:15 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

True

but Atlanta is a different team away from home. Ryan is 17-1 in home games!

The Eagles and Giants have 14 games in common and both teams will be juking it out for the division title the rest of the season.

by G Fan in England on Nov 9, 2010 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah thy only beat the Saints in the Superdome and Cleveland, who have been great this year, in Cleveland, There other loss was to the Steelers by the way

I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
RIP JJ

by sports00fan00 on Nov 9, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

its hard to play teams when the QB plays

when we’re putting them on a gurney halfway thru the second half.

Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!

by wilddre22 on Nov 9, 2010 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Romo hit wasn’t anything special, just awkward & Cutler could have won that game if he was still in there. The Bears play calling is atrocious, thats why the bears suck. They hardly run the ball

I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
RIP JJ

by sports00fan00 on Nov 9, 2010 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL

Cutler get’s sacked 10 times in the first half and you thinkg he would have WON if he satyed in???

Dude he would be in a MORGUE right now if he stayed in!

"We’re going to hit the quarterback as many times as possible, and if he doesn’t make it through the game, then that’s unfortunate for him."
-Barry Cofield

by tito (eight and oh) on Nov 9, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Ummm, the lack of offensive production

and monstrous time of possession differential are directly related to the Giants dominance. If you don’t recognize that someone needs to explain the basics of football.

"Stop the run to earn the right to rush the passer"- great philosophy from new SU DLine coach Jimmy Brumbaugh.

by bigbluethruandthru on Nov 9, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

No, it was bc the Seahawks back up qb had no accuracy. the panthers would have beat the seahawks by 20 if Whitehurst played.

I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
RIP JJ

by sports00fan00 on Nov 9, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

O & that team that lost to the texans, didn’t they go out and destroy you guys the following week? i’m just sayin

I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
RIP JJ

by sports00fan00 on Nov 9, 2010 8:39 AM EST up reply actions  

You completely missed the point of my post

you can make an argument that either team’s record is not impressive, or you can realize that other team’s records look worse when you have more wins than losses. The only thing that matters between two teams is how they play each other. Not to mention that I never said the Texans were bad. They beat the team that was your best win so far this year, and we crushed them at their place. You beat the Colts. The Colts beat us. The Texans beat the Colts. We beat the Texans. It’s an endless circle until the Giants and Eagles play each other twice and then we’ll see if one is better than the others or they are roughly equal.

"Stop the run to earn the right to rush the passer"- great philosophy from new SU DLine coach Jimmy Brumbaugh.

by bigbluethruandthru on Nov 9, 2010 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

your try for the common ground, but take an unnecessary jab at the eagles

They beat the team that was your best win so far this year, and we crushed them at their place. You beat the Colts. The Colts beat us. The Texans beat the Colts. We beat the Texans. It’s an endless circle

there for it means shit, but I’m not the one who said
THe Eagles have beaten a whopping two teams with winning records… one of which lost to the Texans.

I don’t see how this is in anyway a good segway into
None of this means anything but what they do to each other.
especially, when you follow by bash the eagles for games that were a lot bigger victories away then the final score indicates.

So, I was merely saying how the Giants have not proven themselves against a good team (aka a jab back). I didn’t miss the point, ur point was not supported by ur following statements, you can wave the white flag and go for common ground then take a stab at the opposing team without getting a response. The Texans are inconsistent. The only team we have to go by is the Colts. Point differential is easily effected by multiple variables at the end of games, so unless it was a blow out it doesn’t matter, especially when our back-up Qb was in for those games. This division is going to come down to divisional games, but right now the Eagles arn’t the team being over hyped by everyone when they have yet to go out and dominate a good team, like the Eagles did to the Colts (minus the Refs). & That is what pisses me off & I’m sure u’d feel the same way if the Eagles were ranked very high with the schedule they’d had, but we did beat atlanta and the colts, which are good teams, the only goof team the giants have beaten is the texans, but according to you they’re not a good team, which is why I made my response to the above statements you had about the Eagles ‘easy’ schedule and close wins. I agree that you can make an argument neither team is in the ‘dominant’ group of teams right now, but at the same time no one is, this season has been ridiculous. The Eagles and Giants could potentially win every remaining game on their schedules (except against each other) & I’m sure u’d agree with that, neither schedule looks frightening. I just feel like the Giants are overrated and an on a short fuse when someone says ‘you haven’t beaten anyone good either’, when we have & did a damn good job doing it. Just ask Peyton Manning.

I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
RIP JJ

by sports00fan00 on Nov 9, 2010 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Giants are 6-2

1-0 in the division.

Eagles are 5-3

0-1 in the division.

You are what your record says you are.

"We’re going to hit the quarterback as many times as possible, and if he doesn’t make it through the game, then that’s unfortunate for him."
-Barry Cofield

by tito (eight and oh) on Nov 9, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

You are what your record says you are.

Eagles are 4-0 against the Giants in their last 4 matchups.

by JimmyK on Nov 9, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

And 0-2 against the Cowboys.

"We’re going to hit the quarterback as many times as possible, and if he doesn’t make it through the game, then that’s unfortunate for him."
-Barry Cofield

by tito (eight and oh) on Nov 9, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

4-0 against the Giants in their last 4 matchups. Yay!

by JimmyK on Nov 9, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

With McNabb.

"We’re going to hit the quarterback as many times as possible, and if he doesn’t make it through the game, then that’s unfortunate for him."
-Barry Cofield

by tito (eight and oh) on Nov 9, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Our current QB is better than McNabb.

by JimmyK on Nov 9, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Still

He wasn’t the starter last year, or the year before, so the suggestion that things might play out differently is not invalid.

"We’re going to hit the quarterback as many times as possible, and if he doesn’t make it through the game, then that’s unfortunate for him."
-Barry Cofield

by tito (eight and oh) on Nov 9, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I wish this was the first thing I had read from you here in this thread. I would’ve saved myself the compulsion to reply to any of your comments.

8 year olds, dude.

by Wormburn on Nov 9, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you going to try and tell me...

That the Eagles in fact are the same exact team as the last two years, and therefore suggesting things might play out differently between the two teams compared to the last two years is invalid?

"We’re going to hit the quarterback as many times as possible, and if he doesn’t make it through the game, then that’s unfortunate for him."
-Barry Cofield

by tito (eight and oh) on Nov 9, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

0 – 44 in Super Bowls. Yay!

by RolloT on Nov 9, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

we played in 44 super bowls wow.
how many NFL championships have we won? 2. you argument is based off of a name change

I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
RIP JJ

by sports00fan00 on Nov 9, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm suprised to find out

The Eagles actually have 3 NFL Championships. As opposed to the Giants 7 NFL Championships (including 3 superbowls).

All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Michael Strahan

by Willgfass on Nov 9, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

you weren't even a head and a tail in daddy's sack yet

let’s stop claiming these ancient titles, when cows skin was used to stop a concussion…

Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!

by wilddre22 on Nov 9, 2010 11:20 PM EST up reply actions  

80-68 Yay!

"We’re going to hit the quarterback as many times as possible, and if he doesn’t make it through the game, then that’s unfortunate for him."
-Barry Cofield

by tito (eight and oh) on Nov 9, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

ding ding ding!

TKO on jimmy dawk! hehehehhehehehe

Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!

by wilddre22 on Nov 9, 2010 11:20 PM EST up reply actions  

And the Colts are 5-3, same as the Bears.

"We’re going to hit the quarterback as many times as possible, and if he doesn’t make it through the game, then that’s unfortunate for him."
-Barry Cofield

by tito (eight and oh) on Nov 9, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

u have to be an idiot to think the bears are as good as the colts

I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
RIP JJ

by sports00fan00 on Nov 9, 2010 2:25 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Well let's think about it for a second...

The 5-3 Colts best win is against the 6-2 Giants, who you’ve already made clear is not a quality opponent, and overrated due to their schedule. Their next best win would than be against the 4-4 Texans, who if I’m not mistaken in your eyes is not a quality opponent. Therefore, according to your logic, the Colts have a grand total of 0 quality wins.

The 5-3 Bears best win has come against the 6-3 Packers, who have already defeated the 5-3 Eagles. Now, and correct me if I’m wrong, the Packers should be considered a quality opponent, no?

Looking at those facts the Bears are not only as good as the Colts, they have one more “quality win” by your logic. Which would make them better, no?

"We’re going to hit the quarterback as many times as possible, and if he doesn’t make it through the game, then that’s unfortunate for him."
-Barry Cofield

by tito (eight and oh) on Nov 9, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

record mean shit, look at any playoffs ever, id think giants fans would know this the best

I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
RIP JJ

by sports00fan00 on Nov 9, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Che cosa?

All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Michael Strahan

by Willgfass on Nov 9, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

as the current rosters stand today, id take the bears over the colts

I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.

by Troy O on Nov 9, 2010 11:25 PM EST up reply actions  

this is what less then 1/2 the colts Injury report looks like.

clint session
dallas clark
anthony gonzalez
austin collie
joseph addai
melvin bullett
mike hart

most if not all them played against the Giants.

I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.

by Troy O on Nov 9, 2010 11:38 PM EST up reply actions  

- collie

I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.

by Troy O on Nov 9, 2010 11:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Well hart isn’t exactly an impact player and Gonzalez has been out most of the time anyways, any colts team that has a healthy manning and Wayne is better than any team the healthy bears could put on the field. Jay cutler makes to many mistakes under pressure so he’d probably throw 3 picks and fumble once due to mathis and freeney. Curler is the type of qb teams love to play because even though he has talent you know at some point he will make a stupid mistake.

by ryanitus on Nov 9, 2010 11:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

well...

more respect need be given to the Bears. they are 5-3. beat the Packers and other then the Giant game the bears have lost by no more then 3 points. losing 17-3 to the giants after being demolished on offense, is a testament to there stout D.

jay cuter 60%comp 1671 YRDs 9 TDs 7 INTs not exactly garbage. pretty good considering lack of a stud go to guy.

I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.

by Troy O on Nov 10, 2010 12:31 AM EST up reply actions  

The whole point is skewed because I never said the Texans sucked

eaglelover1 did. I pointed out that that team beat the Colts, which was the best team the Eagles have beaten. I’m not sold on the Falcons who should have lost to the Bucs, but whatever. I actually think the Eagles win over the Colts was very impressive. To say the Seahawks suck when they were 3-0 at home, or the Bears suck when they were 3-0 playing the Giants is disengenuous at best. To say the Giants win over the Seahawks was not impressive and then quote the very factors which made it impressive was laughable. The main point however is that records and teams played means jack shit if the team that you believe to have the better wins goes out and loses to the team you think has the less impressive record. What they do to each other will determine the Beast this year.

"Stop the run to earn the right to rush the passer"- great philosophy from new SU DLine coach Jimmy Brumbaugh.

by bigbluethruandthru on Nov 9, 2010 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Meanwhile

in Dallas…

In 20 We Trust

by Lyons81 on Nov 8, 2010 7:41 PM EST reply actions  

That’s a recipe for awesome.

And….. fixed….

"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel

by foos05 on Nov 8, 2010 8:02 PM EST reply actions  

Yea right....

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Nov 8, 2010 8:24 PM EST reply actions  

8 games remaining for the Giants

5 are against .500 or better teams. 4 of those are Division games again I see a fall from grace for the Giants. 1 of the other 3 are also a Division game. With 2 other @ Min and GB. Again i see a Giant melt down in store for New York (pun intended).

I would love to blow up Texas Stadium... With team still in it

by eaglelover1 on Nov 8, 2010 8:28 PM EST reply actions  

I see them finishing strong, like maybe 12-4

behind us at 13-3.

(is drinking)

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Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome

by D3Keith on Nov 8, 2010 8:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Normally I'd say this entire post was a reach Jimmy

But I like what happened when you did it to the Cowboys, so um … news-break away!

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Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome

by D3Keith on Nov 8, 2010 8:45 PM EST reply actions  

...

umm…their crappy line put up 45 points yesterday..

by Gdog2009 on Nov 8, 2010 8:50 PM EST reply actions  

on the Seahawks

Last name Ever
First name Greatest

by Djax10 on Nov 8, 2010 9:16 PM EST up reply actions  

without an offense, the time of possession was probably off the charts

I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
RIP JJ

by sports00fan00 on Nov 8, 2010 9:48 PM EST up reply actions  

and that's happened a lot at their home field

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Nov 8, 2010 9:53 PM EST up reply actions  

… one of the better defenses in the league, at Qwest Field.

by RolloT on Nov 9, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s more about their line being old and very banged up. I’m not so sure I called them “crappy.”

by JimmyK on Nov 9, 2010 4:51 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I agree

the line is very banged up, but the major injuries have been to the young backups as much as to the older starters.

A line of Andrews-Petrus-Seubert-Snee-McKenzie is still an above average OL – yes there is no real depth behind them (Meredith, Beatty and maybe Boothe) but three injuries in one week would stretch any team.

by G Fan in England on Nov 9, 2010 6:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Andrews-Petrus-Seubert-Snee-McKenzie is most certainly not an above average OL.

The LT-LG-C (Manning’s blindside) is total patchwork. And I’ll give the Giants credit – It’s better than what most teams would be able to put together with 2 starters out, a good backup gone for the season, and another backup out. But as it currently stands, that’s very much a below average starting OL.

by JimmyK on Nov 9, 2010 6:43 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

It may

be the first time thay start like that, but Seubert and Andrews are vets and starting a rookie OG is not a disaster.

Andrews is better than Diehl at LT even after one game, Seubert is more than average at CN.

The big test will be if Andrews starts at LT against you – who will he match up against?

by G Fan in England on Nov 9, 2010 6:58 AM EST up reply actions  

How can you not know, gfan?

"What a gorgeous dog. What do you feed him?"

by waterfield on Nov 9, 2010 6:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Andrews may be “a vet” by definition, but he hasn’t been a regular since 2007, and even then, he was playing RG.

I know I wouldn’t want that guy and a 5th round rookie protecting my blindside, but that’s just me.

by JimmyK on Nov 9, 2010 7:10 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

So

would rather have King Dunlap and Reggie Wells protecting your blindside?

The Eagles if I recall where going to move him ot RT in 2008 – he has the footwork to play the position.

What round Petrus was drafted in does not matter – if it did it means the Eagles lost the SB to a 6th round QB when he played against your first round QB.

by G Fan in England on Nov 9, 2010 7:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Gee

must get spellcheck working on this!

by G Fan in England on Nov 9, 2010 7:18 AM EST up reply actions  

No, probably wouldnt prefer King Dunlap and Reggie Wells. Fortunately, the Eagles’ starting LT and LG are Jason Peters and Todd Herremans. I’m failing to understand your point on that one.

You’ve decided you’re comfortable with Andrews at LT, Petrus at LG, and Seubert at C. That’s fine. I’m not trying to change your opinion. You used Tom Brady as an example of a guy that was drafted late. Who knows? Maybe Mitch Petrus will go on to have as good of a career as Tom Brady in the NFL. That remains to be seen I suppose. Maybe Shawn Andrews will overcome his wide assortment of mental issues and physical ailments and return to Pro Bowl form. We’ll have to wait and see.

I just wouldn’t bet on it.

by JimmyK on Nov 9, 2010 7:31 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Apples and Pears

Andrews and Petrus have become starters due to injury so I said Dunlap and Wells because they would become the starters due to injury to Peters and Herremans – so do you understand the comparsion now?

I am not saying Petrus will have a stellar career, but I disagree with your sweeping statement that a 5th round rookie is no good until he has some playing time under his belt.

by G Fan in England on Nov 9, 2010 7:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Why are you here?

8 year olds, dude.

by Wormburn on Nov 9, 2010 7:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Why

did Jimmy post an article about the Giants OL?

by G Fan in England on Nov 9, 2010 7:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Because it never phased him that some bloke might come over and think he’s know shit about shit.

8 year olds, dude.

by Wormburn on Nov 9, 2010 8:34 AM EST up reply actions  

think he’s know shit about shit.....

come again?

Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!

by wilddre22 on Nov 9, 2010 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Andrews and Petrus have become starters due to injury so I said Dunlap and Wells because they would become the starters due to injury to Peters and Herremans – so do you understand the comparsion now?

No, I don’t understand. In fact, I made it clear that the Giants are better off than many other teams would be if they suffered the same number of injuries. But the way their current starting lineup stands today, it’s not good.

I am not saying Petrus will have a stellar career, but I disagree with your sweeping statement that a 5th round rookie is no good until he has some playing time under his belt.

I think the likelihood of a player being successful in the NFL is higher when a team decides that after intense scouting and scrutinization they’re worthy of a high pick. For every great 5th round player, I’ll show you 5-10 great first rounders.

by JimmyK on Nov 9, 2010 8:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Diehl was also a fifth rounder. The Giants tend to pick up most of their OL in the mid to late rounds and develop them slowly. It’s just how we do things. Petrus is reported to be very very strong, a plus for a young guy, but a bit undersized. He is expected to be a starter in a year or two. In any case he is not a LT (most of the first rounders). How many guards are picked up in 1st round. I bet there are more 5th round starting guards than 1st rounders (based on how many are drafted)

by Cornfields on Nov 9, 2010 8:42 AM EST up reply actions  

I know Petrus. He’s a guy I actually saw the Eagles taking. I could be wrong on this, but I think he put up the most reps in the bench press at the combine, and Andy Reid loves those guys (He drafted Brodrick Bunkley who also had the most reps one year, and a guy from BYU named Scott Young that put up the most reps another year).

Still, all I’m saying is that when a rookie 5th rounder is forced into action, it’s not ideal.

by JimmyK on Nov 9, 2010 8:50 AM EST up reply actions  

I know

you guys are really bitter about the Andrews brothers.

However, based on what I have seen and read Andrews is such an upgrade over Diehl at LT that even paired with Petrus that combo is better than Diehl and Seubert.

Adding that Seubert has played at CN and the right side of the line is intact this line is argueably better than the one that started week 1 and is above average.

We have been thru the late round guys have a lower chance of success before so no need to rehash that debate. We do agree that teams get lucky with late round picks some of whom are able to play from day one.

by G Fan in England on Nov 9, 2010 9:09 AM EST up reply actions  

how can anyone say Andrews is such an upgrade at a position he’s played for part of one game? If he were such an upgrade, wouldn’t the giants have noticed that Andrews was far superior in practice?

by eagleyosh on Nov 9, 2010 9:36 AM EST up reply actions  

But

Andrews had not played for two seasons and missed most of training camp.

He has been given time to learn the playbook and get match fit.

It seems he has done both.

As mentioned elsewhere on this thread Diehl is rated amongst the worst starting LT’s – so much that either you or I could most probably do a better job!

by G Fan in England on Nov 9, 2010 9:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Well o line isn’t going to decide wins and losses, Hakeem nicks and Ahmad Bradshaw are the key, bradshaw is running very well but it’ll be a lit easier t stop nicks if Bradshaw gets shut down because then everyone knows that’s elis next choice. If those two fail the giants fail ad while your giants d is good they picked apart mediocre offenses so far so the tests ate yet to come for them.

by ryanitus on Nov 10, 2010 12:00 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Well o line isn’t going to decide wins and losses, Hakeem nicks and Ahmad Bradshaw are the key, bradshaw is running very well but it’ll be a lit easier t stop nicks if Bradshaw gets shut down because then everyone knows that’s elis next choice. If those two fail the giants fail ad while your giants d is good they picked apart mediocre offenses so far so the tests ate yet to come for them.

by ryanitus on Nov 10, 2010 12:00 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Andrews has been impressive

… however the Giants tend not to push a guy into starting. Diehl hasn’t been great, in fact he’s been pretty bad, but he hasn’t been so bad he has to be pulled. Andrews was brought in as insurance with a chance to start if he proves himself. It’s been half a season and the Coughlin team hasn’t decided to start the guy yet. That might be because they don’t think he’s had enough time with the team. It might also be because they really want to groom William Beatty for that job. Regardless, Andrews has been very impressive, and many Giants fans think he’ll become starter soon enough. The problem is that the big five (Diehl, Seubert, O’Hara, Snee, McKenzie) are tough SOBs and they don’t want to lose their job. They played lax last year, we brought in guys to replace them, and now they’re playing as one of the better lines in the league.

by RolloT on Nov 9, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

fair enough.
I posted a bit below on my take, but really, as a Giants fan, I am most worried that we lose our “heavy” package which we have used for both passing and running this year. We have put Andrews in as a blocking tight end, and he has had the athleticism to really get it done for us. We have actually used this heavy package all over the field and often, though on short yardage and in the red zone it has been key. Beatty may be able to take over this role, but I am not sure. Once we started using this package we started to be able to run the ball.

by Cornfields on Nov 9, 2010 9:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't have any interest in trying to make the Giants seem like less of a threat

They are a threat, and we play each other twice, so we each determine our own fate.

I’m fine with J_K reporting what he sees, especially since a lot of us only see the Giants on highlight shows. But same time, I’m fine with the Giants being called the best team in the NFC. The names and faces have changed, but Eagles can still beat anybody if they’re healthy and they can get on track early. And they usually finish seasons strong. We also know they can be prone to a gabillion three-and-outs, FGs instead of TDs and the occasional dogshit game.

I think the rest of the way will be fun to watch. And I don’t particularly classify it as easy, though Minnesota and Dallasx2 looked a lot scarier before the season started.

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Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome

by D3Keith on Nov 8, 2010 8:56 PM EST reply actions  

With our Oline...

Any negative comment feels like throwing stones in my glass house.

I'm not drunk I'm just drinking.

by no1pipelayer on Nov 8, 2010 9:15 PM EST reply actions  

we cut andrews from our own o-line though

I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
RIP JJ

by sports00fan00 on Nov 8, 2010 9:48 PM EST up reply actions  

thank you

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Nov 8, 2010 9:51 PM EST up reply actions  

why do all giants fans like to make believe that andrews should not have been cut? Every time he gets brought up, I see a comment like “thanks for Andrews”. He did nothing for 2 years but collect a paycheck. He turned it around since then. It’s not like the eagles cut a contributor.

by eagleyosh on Nov 8, 2010 9:53 PM EST up reply actions  

well..why do I see yapping about the Eagles cutting him so he must suck (which is what dude was implying)

I know what the Eagles did and why, and it was the right move.

The dude’s moved on and looks like he changed. That’s about all there is with that. There is no correlation at all from the dude that left the Eagles to the dude that’s starting with the Giants other then the name and the weight.

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Nov 8, 2010 9:56 PM EST up reply actions  

that's true

and a fair point, but I’m relatively certain that in this case sportsfan was being sarcastic

by eagleyosh on Nov 8, 2010 10:31 PM EST up reply actions  

State of the O-line (from a Giants fan)

I am of course wary of how the line will play, but am cautiously optimistic.

Diehl has been having problems for a while this season (judging by Football Outsiders and Coldhardfootballfacts and my own eyes) and I suspect that part of the injury was already there. So, while LT is the most important position on the line, it was also an under-performing one.

On the plus side in terms of LT, we have Beatty coming back in a few weeks. He will be fresh and healthy, a plus this late, though it will take a bit to get him in football shape. He has not shined enough to take the starting LT spot, but he is certainly better than average for a back up. He can also play guard. He is very athletic.

Andrews is still a wait and see, but obviously the guy has talent. The Giants have been taking him slow and so far he has done very well. He might turn into the deal of the season, or not. It’s hard to tell. I do understand why the Eagles cut him. In any case, for a back up OL who can play up and down the line, he is much better than average.

In both cases, these were players competing for a starting job, not simply journeyman scrubs.

Seattle was not really a great test in terms of handling the rush or handling the run (given their injuries), but it was a nice test for our third injury, to Ohara, our center. Seubert, our seasoned overachiever-underdog LG filled in at C for the Seattle game, and despite the crowd noise, we only had one false start (and that was in garbage time). It also looks like Ohara will be back in a week or two (perhaps sooner if needed).

As for Koets, well I hate to see anyone hurt, and he is a serviceable backup. But he really hasn’t played much this season (until the Seahawks game, which probably led to his injury). In exchange we are getting Kevin Boothe back, also a serviceable backup, but probably the better of the two, and one who can play guard. He had a pec tear in training camp. In any case, it is nice to get fresh bodies for the line mid-season.

We also have Petrus, a raw rookie, a bit undersized, but very very strong apparently and also an overachiever.

Also on the plus side, Snee and McKenzie are healthy and playing well. Seubert is healthy and playing well.

My real fear? It’s not that we can’t line up a very nice OL, it’s that we might no longer have the luxury of lining up an extra tackle in place of a TE. In fact, our secret to success this year, might be the fact that we use a very mobile “heavy” package, usually with Andrews playing as a blocking TE, on BOTH passing and running plays. It really helps us in the red zone and on short yard. My hope is that Beatty, who is also very mobile for a big guy, can take over this role. We shall see. But that is the key I think.

As for how the season will turn out, we shall see. I think both the Giants and the Eagles will know better when we play each other. You guys have one disadvantage for the first game: you have a short week and a bruising defense to play this Monday Night. As a Giants fan, I would certainly prefer to face Vick than McNabb (who nearly always played well against us).

by Cornfields on Nov 9, 2010 8:24 AM EST reply actions  

I would certainly prefer to face Vick than McNabb (who nearly always played well against us).

This is as irrelevant of a statement as they come, and redundant. McNabb wiped his ass with you guys and you seem to think that’s more of a testament to the Hall of a Fame qualities of him, than the absolute malfunction of your entire team. Give me a fucking break.

8 year olds, dude.

by Wormburn on Nov 9, 2010 9:15 AM EST up reply actions  

thanks for the intelligent feedback.

by Cornfields on Nov 9, 2010 9:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Here’s some feedback

In your 6 wins, the teams have a combined 17 wins.
In the Eagle’s 5 wins, the teams have a combined 19 wins.

Your average margin in points when you lose is 21.5 points.
Eagle’s average margin is 7.

Your starting quarterback has thrown 11 picks.
Eagles starting QB none.

I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt that you can see the significance in each of those stats.

And we’ve kept Chris Johnson, Michael Turner, Frank Gore, Maurice Jones-Drew, Ryan Torain and Jahvid Best all under 90 yards in rushing. Ahmad Bradshaw is not going to have any better luck.

I don’t see your team having a chance. We match up too well with the Giants this year. I see us playing each other 3 times this year, and I see a 3 game sweep, possibly a regular season road split at best for the Giants.

8 year olds, dude.

by Wormburn on Nov 9, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Stats stats stats

Here’s some (From PFR)

8 games each

Points
NYG: 216 PHI: 198

Total Yards
NYG: 3208 PHI: 3010

Yards per Play
NYG: 5.9 PHI: 5.9

1st Downs
NYG: 183 PHI: 156

Passing Yards:
NYG: 1993 PHI: 1910

Yards per Pass Attempt
NYG: 7.0 PHI: 6.3

Rushing Yards:
NYG: 1215 PHI: 1100

YPRush
NYG: 4.7 PHI: 5.1

Comp. %
NYG: 65.7 PHI: 62.2

I gotta say this is a pretty even match.

All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Michael Strahan

by Willgfass on Nov 9, 2010 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Where are the INT’s?

by JimmyK on Nov 9, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea!

And dropped passes, and fumbles too!!!

How is it that we’ve beaten the hell out of ourselves with more turnovers, drops, and fumbles than just about anyone this year…and yet still manage to have more passing yards, yards per play, points scored, rushing yards, a better completion %, AND more wins!?

Something’s gotta be off here Will…somethings gotta be off.

"We’re going to hit the quarterback as many times as possible, and if he doesn’t make it through the game, then that’s unfortunate for him."
-Barry Cofield

by tito (eight and oh) on Nov 9, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

bc u played shitty ass teams, how many times do i have to say this

I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
RIP JJ

by sports00fan00 on Nov 9, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Eagles and Giants aside, the fact that you think this reply of yours is such a sharp and witty winner is slightly embarrassing. But the answer to your question is that you’ve beaten 3 teams with a combined 4 wins. One of those teams you beat by less than a touchdown, and against their backup quarterback. Something tells me if you lose that game you guys are 5-3 and we’re not reading this crap and then wondering why we’re wasting our time replying to these absolutely ridiculous comments that have bold words and exclamation points.

8 year olds, dude.

by Wormburn on Nov 9, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

The fact that we even beat the Cowboys

After turning the ball over five times shows how truly talented this team is. Spin it however you want, but the Giants ended the Cowboys season that night, and the rest of the NFC East let out a collective sigh of relief because of it.

"We’re going to hit the quarterback as many times as possible, and if he doesn’t make it through the game, then that’s unfortunate for him."
-Barry Cofield

by tito (eight and oh) on Nov 9, 2010 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

It's also embarrassing

that one of the worst defenses in the league and one that doesn’t force turnovers at all forced 5 against your Giants.

by Team Serbia on Nov 9, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

You're right it is embarrassing.

A lesser team might have folded.

"We’re going to hit the quarterback as many times as possible, and if he doesn’t make it through the game, then that’s unfortunate for him."
-Barry Cofield

by tito (eight and oh) on Nov 9, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Which is what makes it even more incredible

We still have a PT differential of +56 (3rd best in the NFL). As opposed to the Eagles +17.

Cuz I’m bored, I’ll do defense.

             NYG PHI
Points 160 181
Yards 2005 2550
Plays 460 525
Yards/play 4.4 4.9
First Downs 110 158
Passing Yards 1358 1719
INTS 9 13
Net Yards/Pass Attempt 5.0 5.5
Rushing Yards 647 831
YPRush 3.5 3.9
Passing Completion Against 54.6 55.7
Passer Rating Against 72.6 73.0

Despite All the turnovers, the defense has still been dominant. If you guessed the Giants D was first in the category odds are you’d win that bet.

All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Michael Strahan

by Willgfass on Nov 9, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Also I'd like to say

At least statistically, the Eagles are better than I gave them credit for before.

All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Michael Strahan

by Willgfass on Nov 9, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

look at point differential a week ago. sorry we played the colts & u played the seahawks backups

I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
RIP JJ

by sports00fan00 on Nov 9, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

you played the Colts 3rd stringers

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Nov 9, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup. Manning, Freeney, Mathis, Wayne, Collie… Bunch of scrubs.

by JimmyK on Nov 9, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Collie was out for most of the game

you know that.

And naming 4 talented players and calling it a great team is Dallas Cowboys fan logic. Thanks

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Nov 9, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup, the Colts are terrible. And Domenik Hixon is a better receiver than DeSean Jackson.

by JimmyK on Nov 10, 2010 9:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Main focus of anyone putting a statline like this up..........

especially a Giants fan trying to equate the closeness of the Eagles and Giants is the TO’s. And again Imagine if Vick had not only started the season but not gotten hurt against Washington….. Damn, I basically see the last undefeated team. If only if was a fifth.

I still predict a Cowboy Victory this week. Just a little more strongly now. Next weeks game WILL be for the Division lead and Home Field advantage as the Falcons get crushed by the Ravens this week.

I would love to blow up Texas Stadium... With team still in it

by eaglelover1 on Nov 9, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Thats if you can get past Washington

Which I personally don’t see happening. After last game it’s pretty clear Washingtons got your number.

"We’re going to hit the quarterback as many times as possible, and if he doesn’t make it through the game, then that’s unfortunate for him."
-Barry Cofield

by tito (eight and oh) on Nov 9, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Really?

It was clear they had our number? We lost our starting QB in the first drive and in the end barely pulled the win off. How is that clearly having our number?

Anyone who lives within their means suffers from a lack of imagination.-Oscar Wilde

I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires.

by TricksterG on Nov 9, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Just my opinon.

Don’t see them losing at home, McNabb has a history of playing quite well after benchings. Probably not the best time to be seeing them.

"We’re going to hit the quarterback as many times as possible, and if he doesn’t make it through the game, then that’s unfortunate for him."
-Barry Cofield

by tito (eight and oh) on Nov 9, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

If Vick started?

But he didn’t. I could play that game too. What if Eli didn’t have 7+ tipped balls for interceptions?

All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Michael Strahan

by Willgfass on Nov 9, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

see my argument about schedules above

I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
RIP JJ

by sports00fan00 on Nov 9, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

What is your point man?

That there are no good teams in the NFL?

"We’re going to hit the quarterback as many times as possible, and if he doesn’t make it through the game, then that’s unfortunate for him."
-Barry Cofield

by tito (eight and oh) on Nov 9, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey

“the absolute malfunction of your entire team” swept the cowboys last year.

I wish McNabb had a “fucking break” vs them last year

:P

All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Michael Strahan

by Willgfass on Nov 9, 2010 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

in response to the quote

u mean injuries?
the eagles scored a grand total of 17 points in 10 quarters after Jamal Jackson went down. 14 were in the playoffs, 7 were Vick to Maclin something like 80 yards. McNabb had no time in the pocket, thats why we lost.

I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
RIP JJ

by sports00fan00 on Nov 9, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok

do the same but on defense. That’s the Giants defense last year.

Cofield, Robbins, Tuck, Pierce, Phillips, Canty, etc. etc.

All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Michael Strahan

by Willgfass on Nov 9, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Lets see how Andrews does these next two weeks when he has to deal with Ware next week then Trent Cole the next.

by The Legend on Nov 9, 2010 11:49 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

IDK

i see shawn andrews playing good for them as a bad sign for us

Let's get it Birds.

by homestar2281 on Nov 9, 2010 12:52 PM EST reply actions  

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