Eagles vs Bears Preview
That picture makes Jay Cutler look sort of intimidating doesn't it? Looks can deceive you.
Kick Off Time: 4:15 Sunday
Weather Report: 44º Mostly sunny skies and warmer. Highs reach into the middle 40s, possibly 50s in southern sections. Southerly winds 10 to 20mph.
Injury Report:
Bears:
Pisa Tinoisamoa - Knee - Limited In Practice
Asante Samuel - Knee - Missed Practice
Juqua Parker- Hip - Missed Practice
Well, I was going to try my best to make this objective but Bears fans have ticked me off so objectivity is out the window for me. Maybe thats not what I meant, maybe not being being even-keeled is what I meant. Regardless, this post won't paint the Bears in a very positive manner because I don't believe they're a very good team if I'm being completely honest. Anyways here we go.
I'll kick things off with this gem that shows just how overrated the Bears are. At the time of kick off the Eagles have faced 8 teams who either had winning records or .500 records. At the time of kick off the Bears have faced 2 teams who either had winning records or .500 records. That to me shows the Bears are beating weak opponents and aren't the team their record would indicate they are.
I'd like to point out how terrible the Bears offense is so lets look at some stats from their offense, shall we?
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19.1 Points Per Game |
25th in the NFL |
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294.4 Yards Per Game |
30th in the NFL |
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4.9 Yards Per Play |
29th in the NFL |
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16.4 first downs a game |
27th in the NFL |
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Convert 32% of their third downs |
29th in the NFL |
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15 interceptions |
28th in the NFL |
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74 collective QB rating |
28th in the NFL |
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59.3 completion percentage |
24th in the NFL |
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99 rushing yards a game |
20th in the NFL |
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3.8 Yards Per Carry |
22nd in the NFL |
It should also be noted that the Bears have allowed 37 sacks this season, the worst in the NFL and they've allowed 64 QB hits, second worst in the NFL.
The Eagles defense is top 7 in yards per play, the Eagles defense is top 10 in sacks, the Eagles lead the NFL in interceptions, the Eagles according to the DVOA numbers the have the 4th best pass defense in the NFL. They're the 13th ranked yardage defense, 6th ranked completion percentage defense and they only allow 6.6 yards per pass play, 4th best in the NFL, they're the third best QB rating against pass defense and they're #1 against both #1 and #2 receivers according to the DVOA.
And Since the 49ers game (when Antonio Dixon began starting and LB play really started improving) the Eagles have only allowed 3.6 yards per carry, 73.6 yards per game and .6 rushing touchdowns a game (2) and the only 2 TDs came in garbage time from Keiland Williams (total runs stats in 6 gams 120 attempts, 442 and 2 TDs).
The Eagles defense is playing as well as any defense in the NFL right now and they're going against one of the worst offenses in the NFL this weekend. Given how well the Eagles defense is playing, how poorly the Bears offense plays and how well the Eagles match-up with them I don't think it would be out of the question for the Eagles to pitch a performance that would hold the Bears to less than 10 points.
Essentially, the Bears offense is terrible and the Eagles defense gets better as the season rolls on. Advantage: Eagles.
To get a grasp on just how much the Eagles have the advantage, lets look at individual match-ups.
We all know how good Trent Cole is so I don't really need to explain to you guys how great he is. Franklin Omiyale is one of the worst, if not the worst LT in football. He has allowed 8 sacks already this season and he has had 6 penalties.
Antonio Dixon and Brodrick Bunkley vs Chris Williams and Olin Kruetz
Chris Williams was the LT out of Vanderbilt that a lot of us (or maybe it was just me) wanted. Thankfully we don't run the Eagles' scouting department. Chris Williams misses a TON of time to injury and has only played in 7 games this year, which is good for him. In those games he has allowed 3 sacks which is not good for an interior lineman. To put this into perspective, Reggie Wells, the guy the Eagles refuse to play only allowed 3.25 sacks in his last 32 games in Arizona. And Chris Williams is a terrible run blocker. When Matt Forte runs behind the left side of the line he only averages 3.3 yards and when he runs up the middle Forte only averages 2.7 yards per carry. The advantage is clearly in favor of the Eagles especially with Antonio Dixon's play. Since Antonio Dixon became a starter the Eagles have only allowed 3.6 yards per carry, 73.6 yards per game and .6 rushing touchdowns a game (2) and the only 2 TDs came in garbage time from Keiland Williams (total runs stats in 6 gams 120 attempts, 442 and 2 TDs).
Mike Patterson and Trevor Laws vs Roberto Garza and Olin Kruetz
Well I didn't talk about Kruetz the last match-up so I'll talk about him a little bit here. Kruetz is a guy who is undersized but he is feisty. In terms of pass protection he is probably the best Bears lineman. Kruetz has only allowed 1 sack this season. In the run game his lack of size puts him at a disadvantage against big, strong physical guys like Dixon, Bunkley and Patterson. Combined Roberto Garza and Kreutz have only allowed 2.5 sacks which makes the right/middle interior line the best part of the O-Line for the Bears.
Brandon Graham and Juqua Parker vs Joe Webb
One Bears fans proclaimed that Webb can't pass block to save his life, the stats tend to agree with that line of thinking. Despite only starting 6 games Webb has allowed 7 sacks and has committed 6 penalties. Webb is probably the worst individual player on the Bears' line. Because the Bears aren't doing particularly well when they run behind him either. Clear advantage Graham and Parker.
In case you couldn't tell, the Bears o-line is flat out awful in every facet of the game.
Eagles vs Greg Olsen
-The Bears fans really overstate how good Greg Olsen actually is and how big of a mismatch this is. Bears fans would have you think they've got the original Kellen Winslow lining up. But in reality his performance has him ranked as the 40th best TE in the NFL according to the DVOA. He only catches 52% of his targets. Olsen only has 322 yards and 4 touchdowns. Greg Olsen is athletic and the Eagles defense seemingly always struggles against athletic tight ends. The Eagles have struggled with Brandon Pettigrew, Vernon Davis, Tony Gonzalez and Jacob Tamme this year but they're done more than respectable jobs against Jermichael Finley, Chris Cooley (twice) and Marcedes Lewis. I don't think this will be a big problem but in the interest of giving the Bears at least one match-up advantage I'll give Olsen the benefit of the doubt. And a little known fact, the Football Outsiders says the Eagles are the seventh best defense against tight ends in the NFL so if there even is a mismatch, its minuscule.
Eagles' run defense vs Bears run offense
-I hit on this a couple times already and lets say it isn't close. The Bears run offense is terrible and the Eagles run defense is turning into a really good one.
Dimitri Patterson vs Johnny Knox
-Knox is fast and shifty but he struggles with physical players. Dimitri Patterson is a physical guy and he has shown he can run with fast guys when he played Anthony Armstrong.
Asante Samuel vs Devin Hester
-Devin Hester isn't a good receiver, he hasn't even topped 300 yards this season and you probably couldn't name a corner playing better than Asante Samuel. CLEAR advantage Eagles.
Those are most of the big one on one match-ups that will play big factors. I've got full confidence in Nate Allen and Quintin Mikell to continue to do what they've done all year which is make plays. The Eagles' linebackers are also playing the best football they've played in about 3 years after struggling early in the year. Ernie Sims still bites on fakes but his play has definitely improved as he gets more time in the scheme, Stewart Bradley is finally getting back to form as he has 21 tackles, 6 passes defended and 1 interception since the bye week. Moise Fokou has made a huge difference for the defense, he doesn't show up on the stat sheet but he is physical, attacks down hill, plays aggressive and doesn't get beat in coverage a whole lot, Fokou is the future at the SLB spot and is the Eagles best SLB since Emmons. The Eagles defense seemingly gets better every week and I don't think a game against the Bears' atrocity of an offense is going to change that.
Oh and Jay Cutler hands out interceptions like they're candy. The Eagles are the best interception defense in the NFL. Advantage: Eagles.
Bears Defensive Stats
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290.4 Yards a game |
3rd in the NFL |
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4.7 Yards a play |
2nd in NFL |
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16.3 First Downs A Game |
3rd in the NFL |
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31% First Down % |
2nd in the NFL |
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60.8% Completion % Against |
13th in the NFL |
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6 Yards Per Attempt |
1st in the NFL |
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6 TDs Allowed |
1st in the NFL |
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24 pass plays of 20+ yards |
2nd in the NFL |
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66.4 QB Rating Against |
1st in the NFL |
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2 pass plays of 40+ yards |
2nd in the NFL |
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19 sacks |
23rd in the NFL |
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15 interceptions |
2nd in the NFL |
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3.5 yards per rush |
3rd in the NFL |
The Bears defense is really good. The Bears run a Cover-2 defense but not the typical cover 2 defense. Their defensive line while it isn't filled with great pass rushers, they flash the ability to control the line in the run game. Their linebacker play might be second to none in the NFL, Urlacher might have lost a step athletically but he has probably gained that step back with his mental game. Lance Briggs is the best WLB in the NFL and Pisa Tinoisamoa is playing as well as any SLB in the NFL. While the defense definitely can't be classified as aggressive, they blitz more than your typical Tampa 2 defense. Their corners are shielded a bit in the scheme and they're exploitable but solid safety play has covered up for them as well. The defense is very opportunistic as well, they grab more than their share of interceptions. The Bears defense while feasting on some scrubby offenses is legitimate.
Here is where I think most Bears fans lose it. They look at their defenses' performances and say that since they shut down everyone else they can shut down the Eagles. Well what they can't seem to grasp is that the Bears have yet to face an offense as good as the Eagles'.
No offense in the NFL has more big plays (pass plays greater than 25 yards and run plays longer than 10 yards). The Eagles are the best scoring offense in the NFC. The Eagles are the best yardage offense in the NFC. They're the best running offense in the NFC. They're also the 4th best passing offense (yardage) in the NFC. The Bears' defense has never faced an offense that has the weapons like the Eagles have.
Lets focus in on some match-ups shall we?
Jason Peters v.s. Julius Peppers
-Advantage? There is none. Julius Peppers is having a FANTASTIC year, he is getting all sorts of pressure and he is even defending the run. So why doesn't Peppers have an advantage? Jason Peters is having a fantastic year as well. How many of you can tell me the amount of sacks that Jason Peters has allowed this year? Stats LLC the NFL's official stat keeper gives him 2 on the year. Lets compare that to some others:
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8 sacks allowed |
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4 sacks allowed |
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3 sacks allowed |
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3 sacks allowed |
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6 sacks allowed |
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Jake Long |
3 sacks allowed |
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6 sacks allowed |
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D'Bricshaw Ferguson |
2 sacks allowed |
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Marcus McNeil |
2.5 sacks allowed |
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4 sacks allowed |
Jason Peters is playing as well or better than any LT in the NFL right now. What about Julius Peppers in run defense? Well Jason Peters is an athletic freak for a guy as big and strong as he is and he puts his frame to good use when he run blocks. When LeSean McCoy runs behind Jason Peters he averages 8.6 yards per carry, that is INSANE. Just look at some of the biggest runs of the Eagles season. LeSean McCoy's run in the Colts game? To the left side. Jerome Harrison's run against the Redskins? Had a hole on the left side of the line you could drive a truck through. LeSean McCoy's TD run in the Giants game, great play design, great execution by Jason Peters getting out in front of that play and taking out Deon Grant.
This is the premier match-up heading into this game. Best LT in the game right now (was Jake Long before he got hurt) versus one of the best defensive ends in the game.
Bears Defense vs Michael Vick
Edge Vick, its not that the Bears defense is bad its just Vick inherently has an edge on any defense in the NFL. I'm actually wondering how the Bears will try and pull this one off seeing as just about every team has tried something different. The Lions and Giants tried the same thing, the Giants just had the personnel to run it better. The Lions and Giants sold out to get Vick with their pass rush and they applied constant pressure with blitzes. The Giants had a secondary that could respectably play against DeSean, Jeremy and Jason, the Lions did not and they got burned. The Jaguars and Colts told their defensive lines to pin their ears back, spy Vick and play zone against the Eagles and both of them got burned. The Redskins had the worst game plan, they saw teams tried to get after him and still got burned so somehow the Redskins got it in their heads that instead of going after Vick they would rather maintain gap discipline and let Vick scan the defense, the Redskins took a safety out of coverage to spy Vick which opened things up for DeSean and Jeremy and they played a cover 1 or 2 shell all game depending on who was spying Vick. Lets just say the Bears will be trying to avoid what the Redskins did.
So since I've got no clue how the Bears will try to do I'll just link you guys to what Bears fans think the Bears will do.
http://www.windycitygridiron.com/2010/11/25/1830002/how-the-chicago-bears-can-slow-down-michael-vick
*Word of advice, don't join, Bears fans are crazy. One keeps trying to tell me DeSean Jackson isn't THAT fast and that he isn't dynamic. And others tried to tell me that Manning was better than Quintin Mikell. They're also in denial about they're offense claiming that "it gets better every week" which is completely BS seeing as they scored 16 points last week.
I don't think the Bears will alter their their defensive approach much to account for Vick.
That my Eagles friends would be a mistake. Preparing for Vick the same way you would prepare to play a pocket QB is not smart.
Expect a lot of zone coverages this week with the under part of the zone looking to rally to Vick if he takes off. As a lefty Vick is more comfortable throwing down field when running to his left, so if he's scrambling left the Bears have to maintain their zone depth a little longer but they can still squeeze to the sidelines. Also on those left scrambles Vick will look deep. The safeties can't get caught sneaking up to early on the threat of a run, stay deeper that the deepest until Vick crosses the line of scrimmage or chance getting burned by his big time arm.
If he's running right, as pointed out by Cris Collinsworth on Sunday Night Football, he's more prone to tuck it and run. The backside of the zone when Vick is scrambling to his right has to squeeze into the middle allowing the middle to attack Vick. If Vick completes a throw back to the left across his body the Bears will live with it.
So what Bears fans think will happen is a bit romanticized. Keeping safeties deep will not work, sorry, everybody does that against the Eagles. You want to keep safeties deep? All of a sudden there is extra room underneath. Keeping safeties deep? Utilize LeSean McCoy, the league leader in YAC. Utilize Brent Celek who is good after the catch. Utilize Owen Scmitt, the best receiving full back in the NFL. Utilize Jason Avant underneath. I'd be fine with that really. Continually send Jackson and Maclin deep to stretch the defense and then just feed it to the other players underneath. And what happens when the defense is in coverage and the play breaks down, linebackers aren't filling gaps, they're in coverage, the safeties are deep and Michael Vick takes off, the Colts, Jaguars and Redskins all put their safeties deep like the Bears' blog proposed and Vick burned them for a combined 184 yards. If you're going to sell out to stop the deep pass all of a sudden there is more room underneath and who better to take advantage of extra running room than Vick?
If the Bears want to stop Vick they better get the best performance of the year from their defensive line. The Bears need to pressure Vick but they don't have the talent in the secondary to apply pressure the same way the Giants did. Simply put, this game is going to be won in the trenches. If the Eagles offensive line gets the better of the Bears' defensive line the Eagles win this game, if the Bears defensive line gets pressure with their front four the Eagles offense could be in for a bigger fight than I would like.
Eagles Offensive Line vs Bears Defensive Line
Moot. The Bears defensive line is big and strong, the Eagles offensive line is big and strong. This defensive is keeping blockers off of the linebackers and they're not getting pushed around. The Eagles offensive line pushes people around in the run game averaging 5.4 yards per carry, best in the NFL.
The Bears interior pass rush is lacking and thats putting it nicely. Henry Melton is the only guy who creates a respectable interior pass rush. Anthony Adams, Matt Toeaina and Tommie Harris don't push the pocket at all. Michael Vick should have a nice clean pocket to step up into pretty much all game unless the Bears blitz. If the Bears afford Vick a clean pocket he'll kill them.
http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/12270/eagles-soar-with-vick-perched-in-pocket
Vick is known for his ability to break contain and make plays outside the pocket. But this season, Vick has been especially dangerous when passing from inside the pocket, throwing 10 of his 11 touchdown passes and compiling a passer rating of 122.2 -- tops in the league (min. 75 attempts).
Anthony Adams is a blob in the middle of the defense, a poor man's Mike Patterson. Matt Toeanina is a guy who is strong but he gets zero pass rush he is a homeless mans Brodrick Bunkley and Tommie Harris is a crack addict's Trevor Laws at this point in his career. They're a stout bunch but the Eagles have a powerful interior line. LeSean McCoy averages 4.6 yards per carry when he runs up the middle which is more than a respectable average. It'll be an interesting match-up between these two units. I'd also like to propose that the Eagles have the dirtiest interior line in the NFL, Herremans, McGlynn and Cole are three mean guys, they take no prisoners.
One match-up that I'll have my eye on is Israel Idonije versus Winston Justice.
-Thats right, edge to Idonije. Why? Winston Justice has been a bit less than impressive, Tuck worked him last week and Idonije is just coming into his own this season. What makes Idonije such a tough match-up? Well physically he has the tools of Justin Tuck. He is big, strong and quicker than you'd expect. Winston Justice better bring his A game because we can't have Idonije getting pressure on Vick's blindside. Winston Justice has allowed 4 sacks on the season.
And since I know a lot of you want to know how many sacks each Eagles' player has allowed I'll make a graph.
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Jason Peters |
2 sacks allowed |
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2 sacks allowed |
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3 sacks allowed |
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4 sacks allowed |
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0 sacks allowed |
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Reggie Wells |
.5 sacks allowed |
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Winston Justice |
4 sacks allowed |
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3 sacks allowed |
In the secondary the Bears just don't match up with the Eagles athletically IMO and I can't really see how one would say they do. If Vick gets the clean pocket that I suspect he'll get the Bears defense could be in trouble.
But the real strength of the defense as I pointed out is Julius Peppers and the linebackers, who all deserve a trip to Miami for the pro-bowl.
The Bears also have the advantage on special teams and have what is generally regarded as the best unit in the NFL coupled with the best return man in NFL history. We'll see what Bobby April, the best special teams coach in the NFL comes up with. The Eagles special teams has been getting progressively better at covering kicks over the course of the season, we'll see if that trend holds true this Sunday in what will be their toughest test of the year.
Also one other thing that could affect the Eagles: Sloppy field conditions.
http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/news/story?id=5846667
With plenty of rain this week and a high school football game scheduled for Friday, the Soldier Field turf may help the Chicago Bears slow down Michael Vick and the Philadelphia Eagles on Sunday.
Another factor that will affect the game: The Bears have had 4 extra days to game plan for this game.
All in all I think the Eagles are clearly the more talented team but there is something to be said for a hard nosed team like the Chicago Bears. The field conditions will be bad and the Bears have had extra time to prepare so that gives them a bit of a leg up. Overall I think the gap in talent between the two teams is just too much and the Eagles pull this one out.
My prediction: 24 to 9 in favor of the Eagles
-The Bears defense will play the Eagles tough but I like the way the Eagles offense matches up with them. And the sloppy field conditions will affect the Bears too, they're not immune and I don't see that positively affecting an already anemic offense. The Eagles match-up really well with the Bears everywhere except special teams so the Eagles win it.
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One other constant for this Birds team, penalties averaging 85 yrds per game. Lets hope one or 2 of these calls dont doom us this weekend.
"I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care. "
Holy crap that’s a lot of wurdz. But I have one comment:
possibly 50s in southern sections
The southern sections of what? The stadium?
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The City. IDK where the stadium is so I just left that in there.
by d-jackfan10 on Nov 26, 2010 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
I read what they are saying over at windycitygridiron and although i cant blame them for their optimistic homer point of view, they are going to see how wrong they are on sunday. Most claim that they the score will be somewhere around 24-20 bears. Its kind of sad in a way because they are letting the record of their team dictate what kind of talent they think they have. The only advantage the bears have in my eyes is a linebacker. I predict a blowout in this one.
You can muff a punt but can't punt a muff
Wow…I read some of their posts. They’re completely delusional. They wouldn’t take Jackson over Hester or Maclin over Knox? Crazy
Yeah
from what I’ve read, they’re quite a bit homerish. Enough for me to stay away.
"The Americans? We're going to smash them. That's what we came here for." - Alain Bernard
RIP Fran Crippen
by alcatraz0109 on Nov 26, 2010 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
A guy there told me Lee Evans was better than DeSean Jackson. Face-palmed on that for sure.
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by Ed Van Chimp on Nov 26, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
eep.
staying away from that mess, then.
"The Americans? We're going to smash them. That's what we came here for." - Alain Bernard
RIP Fran Crippen
by alcatraz0109 on Nov 26, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
See, here's the difference
their defense hasn’t played a good offense.
Our offense has played a good defense…the best defense in the entire league…and we put up 27 points on them.
Let’s put 27 points into perspective: It’s the most the Bears offense has scored ALL SEASON in a game. They did this twice. Once against the Cowboys (ranked 28th in scoring defense), and once against the Vikings (ranked 19th)
We did this against the best offense in the league, AND we left points out there that we SHOULD have scored.
I think we completely overwhelm their defense, and they don’t know what hit them
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
The Bears are reverting to their old "defense wins games" mind set
And it’s working. I’m not concerned about Jay Culter, I am concerned about a defense that likes to take the ball away.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
I have to admit it
LAST year, there was a lot of talk about how we were only beating up on bad teams. We also tried to ignore that fact saying that we can only play the teams on our schedule. We did finish 11-5, but if any of us were honest: we’d have to admit that we were not impressive despite our record.
The Bears fall into that category: They own wins over Detroit, Carolina, Dallas (the Wade Philips version), Minnesota, and Buffalo. There are 5 of their 7 wins. Those teams have combined for 11 wins in 52 games. A 6th win came against Miami a .500 Miami team playing their 3rd string QB. There are 6 of their 7 wins, and you tell me if you’re impressed?
Still not impressed? One of their 3 losses came against Seattle. Yup, they lost to the NFC West. Another of their 3 losses came against Washington, which I can’t fault them for b/c one of our losses came there too.
Hey Bears fans: Wanna know where our wins came from? The Colts, Giants, Falcons, Jags to name 4….oh, and they’ve combined for 26 wins this year
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
We also beat the Packers, the Eagles have a great team, no doubt about it, now I’m not going to come on your site and talk smack, I’m not one of those types of fans. I’m looking forward to this game, win or lose, if we play a hard fought game, and the score is close, it’ll tell me a little bit more about my team, do I want a win, hell yes, but if we lose in a close game, I could live with that, I think the Bears are a better team than they are given credit for (ESPN), not elite, but a pretty good team, a team that can win on any Sunday against any team, but no team wins them all in todays game, good luck to you, and see you on Sunday
What were they thinking?
by touchdown bears on Nov 26, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
Wow. One period… But in all seriousness, good luck to your team as well, and any NFL football is good football (kinda).
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Bills.
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by Ed Van Chimp on Nov 26, 2010 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
You know what I like? Giants fans take note: Bears fans don’t come over the week before the game and have a pow wow. They have no interest in our team or our fans. That’s the way it should be.
With this game though, I’m a bit nervous. I’m a bit more nervous about this game than I am the Giants. The reason why is because it’s not a division game so there’s no guarantee that the team is going to be jacked like they were with the Giants.
Also, Samuel possibly not going is not good at all. It sounds like we could possibly lose Samuel before the end of the season if it’s a slight tear on the MC. That worries me a lot. I’m not sure I feel better about Hanson coming in rather than Lindley. I wonder if the decision to start Hanson over Lindley has everything to do with seniority and not ability or potential. It’s something to think about.
Olsen obviously worries me too. He’s really come in to his own and is becoming a favorite target of Cutler. I hope we don’t snooze on the wrong plays with the TE and respect the position every single down. I think the speed of our secondary can contend with the speed of Knox, Hester and Forte, so it may just come down to ball placement by Cutler and if we can get the pressure on him to force him to make a mistake.
Bottom line is of the 6 games we have left, this is the one that worries me the most. There’s a lot of pressure on the Eagles to reveal the fraudulence of the Bears and if we can just keep our shit together and take it to these guys for 60 minutes in their own stadium I truly believe that we will have all the mental tools needed to take this season straight to Dallas in February.
Smokey, this is not 'Nam.
You know Ihave the complete opposite feeling about this game. For some reason I have a feeling the Eagles will just demolish them. I dont know why, I just see too many weaknesses on the Bears side. They will probably try and copy what the Giants did on Defense, but you know Marty and Big Red will expect that and should plan accordinlgy. Samuel would be a huge blow, and I really really am not comfrotable with Hanson being his replacement. I would start Lindley. This would be the perfect game to start him, against an inconsistent gunslinger like Cutler. Lets see what this kid can really do. But, probably wont happen, Reid always gives the veterans the benefit of the doubt, until they screw up or get injured. I have a feeling Graham will have a huge day & 2 sacks. The Eagles offense will just role over this team, imo, despite the circumstances and playing in “hostile territory”. I think Vick will just thrive in that situation.
The game that makes me nervous is the Houston game. if Samuel isnt there for that game, it could spell trouble. Although their Defense really sucks so, I dunno, but the game this weekend doesnt alarm me for some reason. Eagles just came off an emotional tightly fought game. I think that coming into this game loose, may benefit them. we’ll just have to see I guess.
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by BWestFactor on Nov 26, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
i agree
the only 2 teams i was worried about was indy and the giants.this eagles team is great all around.the bears are a joke.no matter what were going to score at least 25 and no matter what the bears arent going to score over 17.eagles 35 ,bears 9
I hope the players are taking the bears more seriously than the fans. In the past I’m pretty sure that hasn’t been the case (re: OAK, CIN (tie), etc).
I see a Dallas game as the loss to the crappy team this year. Or maybe the Minny game.
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by Ed Van Chimp on Nov 27, 2010 1:46 AM EST up reply actions
Bears fans
seem to have forgotten something:
Their defense doesn’t play against our defense.
We have a top offense against a top defense…the gap between our offense and their defense as far as talent goes, isn’t as big as the gap between their offense and our defense.
If you grade our offense as a 10/10, their D gets a 10/10…
here’s the difference:
Their offense is like a 2/10, while our defense might be a 7/10
So, yup, their defense is better than ours…but if you wanna talk matchups, you have to give it to us
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
you know......
i really didnt have that much against there fanbase goin into this game but after seein sum of the comments over there im pretty fired up. I really hope we can hang 30 points on them .
by goldenbird09 on Nov 26, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
they also talk over there
about how many good WRs they’ve shut down (even calling Lee Evans better than DJax)…but that doesn’t concern me at all.
How many good DE’s have you shut down? How many aggressive blitzes have you contained? How many good CBs have you successfully attacked?
Our offense is going to give them matchup nightmares, whereas we could probably just give Asante a week off to rest up and still keep them under 10 points
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
This will be the one and only time I ever write this or say it… I hope Asante goes all DeAngelo Hall on Cutler’s ass.
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I don't think he plays
and if this was any other offense, I’d be worried
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
As much as I HATE to say this...
Jay Cutler could even make HANSON look GREAT……….aooargh……just puked in my mouth there a little….
FLY #7 FLY !!!
by BWestFactor on Nov 26, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
Over at WCG they think jorrick is actually going to play CB
So their like thats a weakness we should expose
"I love my Ducks (wait 'til you see my O)"
They also think that losing Ellis Hobbs is a huge blow to our team. Obviously, they follow only 1 team, but it’s alright. They’ll see what we’re working with on Sunday.
Smokey, this is not 'Nam.
those kids over there r delusional.......
there making wayyyyyyy 2 big a deal outta Peppers being better then Cole, and in the big picture he prolly is but who gives a shit because our D-Line is far and away better then theirs. Also i think its downright comical how there tryin 2 discredit Desean Jackson and say hes not a " dynamic" player, next they’ll be tryin 2 make a case that Hester is a better receiver then him LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
by goldenbird09 on Nov 26, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
The Eagles d-line is better than the Bears? Think not. Idonije is better than the Graham/Parker duo. Ditto with Peppers over Cole although it is not a big gap. DT is probably a push although Adams has played well for the Bears this year.
waaa huh?????
Dude Idonjuewwatever and Parker pretty much have identical numbers so they pretty much are a stalemate. But 2 say Israel is better then the combo of parker/graham is wrong.
by goldenbird09 on Nov 26, 2010 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
Parker/Graham still aren’t very good at stopping the run and the Eagles’ have gotten mixed production out of Graham/Parker this year so far. Maybe Graham keeps up his strong play down the stretch. We’ll see.
Graham is excellent against the run. Parker is a better pass rusher though.
Formerly... "You don't have to be sweet, to be good"
by Ed Van Chimp on Nov 26, 2010 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
Ehh Graham is thick, strong and he plays with good leverage but so far he has played a bit out of control against the run. He fires up field and just abandons his gap.
Graham has actually been really good rushing the passer, he leads all rookies in pass disruptions and he gets solid pressure. Problem is he just isn’t closing fast enough to get the sack. Graham is a BIG break-out candidate next year. Right now he isn’t converting a lot of his pressures into sacks and that won’t last forever. Eagles’ stat keepers have him at 11 pressures, thats only 1 less than Abiamiri had in 3 years here and its actually has the same amount of hurries as Juqua Parker.
Right now Brandon Graham the pass rusher > Brandon Graham the run stopper.
PS Trent Cole is monster, 26 hurries on the year (tied for his career high already), 6 TFL and 7 sacks. Best DE in the NFL no questions asked right now. Jared Allen has fallen off and Trent Cole is having the best year of his career.
by d-jackfan10 on Nov 27, 2010 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
Actually no.
Graham lost his starting job because he struggles against the run. He’s fantastic at getting pressure as a pass rusher but has trouble against the run.
Parker always does better once he has somebody who compliments him, Graham does that well, JP is rested so he does alot better
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
"Please notice the difference and proceed to suck your own tiny ass cock. Secondly, A simulator shows how things COULD go, not WOULD.. Once again bend in half and do the deed.." From me.. To CNCITINFO.
He lost his job because they used him wrong. He was a DT for the first 2 games, then he got hurt and just never got into a roll.
Formerly... "You don't have to be sweet, to be good"
by Ed Van Chimp on Nov 27, 2010 1:47 AM EST up reply actions
Absolutely wrong again..
They started him at LDE, on obvious passing downs they moved him inside to DT and put JP in to contain the outside..
His injury affected his playing some but you’re completely wrong about everything else..
Look mistakes happen, admit you were wrong and let us enlighten you.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
"Please notice the difference and proceed to suck your own tiny ass cock. Secondly, A simulator shows how things COULD go, not WOULD.. Once again bend in half and do the deed.." From me.. To CNCITINFO.
I know he wasn’t a full time DT, but when you bring in a kid who is a DE to rush the passer and then move him to DT in most of the obvious passing situations you are putting him in a position to fail. He struggled because of it, then got hurt and didn’t get going until recently.
Formerly... "You don't have to be sweet, to be good"
by Ed Van Chimp on Nov 28, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
Ummm really? Do you watch the games?? The kid can get pressure up the middle and outside
we didnt set him up for failure, we actually put him up against a guard so that he and JP can tag team the right side of the OL…
Sorry your argument is shit bud.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
"Please notice the difference and proceed to suck your own tiny ass cock. Secondly, A simulator shows how things COULD go, not WOULD.. Once again bend in half and do the deed.." From me.. To CNCITINFO.
and i would be the first one slapping
bears fans if they made that comment
my bestfriend and i just had this talk the other day
fastest out of the three desean jackson, percy harvin, devin hester i say devin
best of the three i said desean… im honest
faith is what happens when you stop thinking and start believing
by Tommy Ohyeah Mcduffie on Nov 26, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sorry but on that point they're 1000% correct
Losing Hobbs is the best thing to happen to our secondary, Pattersons emerged into a good player who compliments Asante perfectly…
Only thing we lose is a guy who can return kicks halfway decently… and those guys are a dime a dozen
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
"Please notice the difference and proceed to suck your own tiny ass cock. Secondly, A simulator shows how things COULD go, not WOULD.. Once again bend in half and do the deed.." From me.. To CNCITINFO.
Yeah my bad.. thanks for letting me know bud
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
"Please notice the difference and proceed to suck your own tiny ass cock. Secondly, A simulator shows how things COULD go, not WOULD.. Once again bend in half and do the deed.." From me.. To CNCITINFO.
Few additional thoughts
- If Samuel plays, they probably can do a decent job of containing Knox and Hester deep. If he is out though, I would imagine that Knox will have at least one big play deep & a nice day overall (close to 100 yds receiving).
- Bears’ defense likes to strip the ball from players. Only have 14 FF this year at 9th in the NFL but Tillman is one of the better CBs in football at stripping the ball. Also Briggs like to hack at ball when he gets a chance. I imagine they Vick will have more success running to his right this week because Idonije is a good player but he isn’t Tuck. Just imagine though the Bears will really be looking to strip the ball from Vick when he runs. Ditto on McCoy and Jackson.
- Don’t see the Eagles being able to run with McCoy out of conventional sets. They weren’t able to generate much at all last week against the Giants. Look for the same this week with a few gimmick plays (Jackson on an end-around) to give the running game a lift.
- Bears have played a ton of lousy offenses but they have done a good job containing the good offenses they have faced this season (Packers, Giants). My bet is that if the Eagles can score even just 24 pts, they win this game. Bears’ offense isn’t going to be able to put up 24 pts without real help from their defense.
good assesment.....
i have nightmares of Tillman from last year, wat he have like freakin 3 FF? Birds receivers and backs gotta be aware of his presence and everyone on their d for that matter and protect the ball. If they take care of the ball the win the game plain and simple.
by goldenbird09 on Nov 26, 2010 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
Bears' defense game-plan
You have to figure they will try to overload from the left-side and blitz a fair amount especially up the middle as the Giants had success with last weak in finally slowing down Vick a bit. Key is not to let him roll out to his left either by design or when a play breaks down.
The biggest issues I see the Bears having though is that Harris doesn’t have the athletic ability like Philips does at S. Bears aren’t going to be to use him as effectively as a spy playing up at the line vs. Vick as the Giants did with Philips last week. Ditto Idonije at LDE in comparison to Tuck.
Briggs also isn’t the same player anymore in terms of his raw speed. Still a very solid player. My bet is that he just won’t have the wheels to contain Vick if he gets in space or tries to turn the corner on him.
Should favor the Eagles unless the offensive line turns in another turd performance which they have done this season. I could see the Bears’ front 7 really dominating the game vs. the Eagles offensive line/blocking schemes.
I still like the Eagles. Say 27-20.
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Let’s face it – we’re all fans and we all probably look at things here through green-tinted glasses at times. Having said that, I think there’s a good balance of realism and fanhood here on BGN. On any given day you might find homers and negadelphians on the same post, but by and large, I think the fans here keep it real. I know there are blogs I don’t even bother to read anymore because I could write them myself in my head – fanboys out of control and living in other worlds. I won’t mention names because it doesn’t really add to anything. Let’s all just remember that words are fun, but they’re just that. The real answers will come on Sunday. I know I can’t wait.
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
One was on a naked bootleg, one was when Tuck was line up inside and one was a coverage sack. Justice didn’t play all that poorly last week.
Formerly... "You don't have to be sweet, to be good"
by Ed Van Chimp on Nov 26, 2010 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
damn
hey lemme start by saying good luck this weekend
hope its no serious injuries
no “illegal hits”
nothing….
next good right up im BEARS FAN but i enjoyed the way you at least were honest and showed stats that werent only focusing on what you wanted to portray
next f*ck the eagles ive disliked them ever since joe montana football on genesis(only team i ever lost to)but f*ck the eagles lol
seriously though this weekends game. i agree vick is dynamic, your offense is fast.
I disagree that this will be so cut and dry eagles, dont even think it will be cut and dry bears.
what you didnt mention in our limited number of offensive yards is AVERAGE STARTING FIELD POSITION what i think its something ridiculous like the 44yrd line? check that im not sure…
you were wrong our line isnt a physical dline we are a finesse d-line… izzy and JP are freaks of nature talent wise.
correct our secondary on average does not have the speed to match you guys, BUT i doubt vick gets the 4-5 seconds he got vs the giants because of our speed on dline
our offensive line is improving but trent cole is a problem, i think this game is going to be alot closer than anyone thinks…
the biggest key is execution, the giants gave us the blueprint and we have had 10 days to practice and will get one day to execute… if we do eagles get their 4th loss…. if our dline doesnt show up, our special teams doesnt show up, and our oline doesnt show up it will be brutal… 24-21 you pick the winner
faith is what happens when you stop thinking and start believing
by Tommy Ohyeah Mcduffie on Nov 26, 2010 4:23 PM EST reply actions
Another example of craze Bears fans.
You don’t like the Eagles because they beat you in a video game? Good logic.
I can promise you that your average starting field position is not the 44 yard line.
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/drivestats
-Your average starting field position is the 32 yard line. The Eagles average is the 31 so thats not a big advantage either.
Do you actually watch the Bears or do you just read box scores? You don’t have a physical defensive line? Do you realize that your defensive line’s strength is being big and strong? Your interior defensive line isn’t finesse and Izzz & Peppers are big physical ends.
You think your defensive line is better than the Giants? LOL okay… And your defensive line isn’t fast, its big. The Bears can’t match the talent the Giants have on defense.
And the Giants gave you a blue print to slow Vick, not stop him. And the Bears don’t have the talent in the secondary to execute the things the Giants did.
I don't think
your D Line is better than the Giants D Line
I’ll give you that your LBs are better than theirs, but not your D Line.
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
I'm with you on everything but you're thought that
your DL will be able to do what the Giants couldnt… The Giants have a quick DL, and they did cause some issues, However I’d rather face the Bears DL any day over the Giants…
Everything else is great, I think this’ll be a very close game
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
"Please notice the difference and proceed to suck your own tiny ass cock. Secondly, A simulator shows how things COULD go, not WOULD.. Once again bend in half and do the deed.." From me.. To CNCITINFO.
Also you forgot Cutler
is really hit or miss, if he gets hit a few times he tends to shut down
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
"Please notice the difference and proceed to suck your own tiny ass cock. Secondly, A simulator shows how things COULD go, not WOULD.. Once again bend in half and do the deed.." From me.. To CNCITINFO.
but wild
that is also true of over 70 percent of the league only a handful of the qbs in the league prolly 10 or so out of 32 teams can make claim that they have a qb that doesnt get rattled after a few hits.
our oline has done a better job of protection after the bye week and our defense has played better
it was a mention that the bears have only played 2 teams above 500 all year
do me a favor look at the JETS, PATS, SAINTS, and FALCONS… you will see the same AND in the case of the JETS they are the only team of the 4 i mentioned whose competition doesnt get better… they handed them the afc east
faith is what happens when you stop thinking and start believing
by Tommy Ohyeah Mcduffie on Nov 26, 2010 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
Not really,
Cutler gets rattled more than most QB’s, if you can’t see that you’re blind.. Cutler breaks down at the first sign of a clusterfuck…
Your OL is being masked by 3 and 5 step drops designed to get the ball out real quick.. That and a reliance on the run game.
IDC if you’ve only played 2 teams above .500, it doesnt matter once the pads go on…
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
"Please notice the difference and proceed to suck your own tiny ass cock. Secondly, A simulator shows how things COULD go, not WOULD.. Once again bend in half and do the deed.." From me.. To CNCITINFO.
djack i never said..
our dline was better, merely corrected the notion that we are a physical dline
yes your wrong we are not a physical team which is why a three technique tackle is one of the most important part of our dline… you show me a cover 2 team with a physical defensive line colts, bucs, bears all smaller dline built solely to rush the passer.
fortunately for us we have had success stopping the run something we havent done in the past this is actually new to us
again about the 44 yrd line quote pay attention “i think its something ridiculous like the 44yrd line? check that im not sure…” well it speaks for itself it was an exxageration on how good our special teams are
ive been a bears fan going on 27 years i watch games I KNOW MY TEAM the question is do you know my team like you think? henry melton, marcus harrison, tommie harris all three technique tackles… israel idonije up until last year was another of our 3 technique tackles who was also our utility lineman… julius peppers a known PASS RUSHER…
the biggest problem we will have with the eagles is our lack of speed in the secondary. Charles tillman our “best” corner isnt fast enough to stay with any eagle on the outside… chris harris our free safety can barerly stay with tight ends so thats where my concern comes in.
time will tell im not saying chicago will win im not saying they will lose either… i am saying we have more of a chance to win this game than washington or new york
faith is what happens when you stop thinking and start believing
by Tommy Ohyeah Mcduffie on Nov 26, 2010 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
Hey Tommy
do you like titties?
Samuel Suplex
by eagleflownsouth on Nov 26, 2010 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
lol @ flown south
hahahahahaha how did you guess
faith is what happens when you stop thinking and start believing
by Tommy Ohyeah Mcduffie on Nov 27, 2010 7:59 AM EST up reply actions
You said, and I quote “i doubt vick gets the 4-5 seconds he got vs the giants because of our speed on dline”. So, let me get this straight. You say the Bears line will do a better job at rushing the passer than the Giants line did but then you say you never said the Bears line is better. Okay then…
The 3 technique is not a key part of your defense, your defensive tackles get no penetration at all. And okay I will show you a physical defensive line, THE CHICAGO BEARS. How do you think your defense is so good against the run? Your line is physical, thats how. Just because other teams don’t have physical lines that doesn’t mean you don’t have physical lines. Your defensive tackles are run stoppers first and foremost. Your ends are big, strong and athletic guys.
Poor use of hyperbole.
Your defensive line is big, strong and physical. I don’t really know how to explain that to you in any other way. If you consider them a finesse line you’re wrong. Yes Julius Peppers and Izzy can rush the passer but that doesn’t mean they’re finesse players, they’re physical guys.
My suggestion is to not get defensive with this bunch. Philadelphia spawns the best breeds of trolls and anti-troll venom. Make your point, stick to it and move on to the next point. What most visitors to BGN don’t realize is that the small battles they fight endlessly with some of our best trolls here are not hills worth dying on. That’s all. Carry on.
Smokey, this is not 'Nam.
check this out
vick either has a good game or a phenominal game.the pattern repeats over and over,well last game was good ,so this one will be phenomial .eagles win 35 or 34 to bears 10 or 9.
The Bears just don't have enough offense to win this one
They ran the ball okay against the Dolphins but for the most part I think they’ll be in third and long situations where they’ll have to look to the mid to deep routes and Cutler will get bruised and battered. I’ve got the Eagles winning 20-13 but I’m probably being too generous to the Bears.
I said 23-13
but I felt a little generous, too
I love when people project a high scoring game. One guy on ESPN said the Bears win 28-24. The Bears haven’t scored 28 ALL YEAR, where are people getting this idea that the Bears are going to post their season high score on us?
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
The Giants have a more talented defense than the Bears, but the Bears have that screwy field and more time to prepare for our offense. When we have the ball, I bet our performance is pretty similar to last week. We won’t see the dropped TDs we saw last week, but I’m betting the field causes just as many mistakes of receivers slipping or whatnot. I say we put up 27 points, just like last week. We may have the most explosive offense in the league, but the Bears have a really solid defense and I don’t think the field conditions can be emphasized enough.
When the Bears have the ball, however, look for some miserable play. If Asante plays (looks doubtful at this point, he didn’t practice yesterday) I bet they put up 3 points with tons of turnovers. If he doesn’t play, I’d say they put up 10 points.
Eagles 27-10 (27-3 if Asante plays). Bears rip off one big play on a broken coverage by whoever replaces Asante if he isn’t in, but other than that can’t move the ball well and are plagued by turnovers. Eagles have a solid offensive performance, but not domination like some other weeks.
Brent Celek is my boy
R.I.P. JJ (7/28/09)
by Carolina Iggle on Nov 27, 2010 10:52 AM EST reply actions
The Giants LBs are trash in comparison
It’s the one advantage the Bears have over them.
I hope the Eagles players share your optimism on the final score!
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