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Eagles Vs Giants: A Chat With Big Blue View

This week, Ed from Big Blue View and myself decided to have a little chat about this weekend's game. Literally a chat! We discussed Giants injuries, Michael Vick, and why Eagles fans hate Shawn Andrews so much.

If all goes well, we might do a matchup focused chat sometime tomorrow.

Jason: Ok, we'll start with the obvious. Michael Vick, what to do?

Ed: Umm ... I could make some disparaging and rather uncouth jokes about that, but it's a serious question. Vick is a problem. Playing like he did Monday he is unlike any quarterback the NFL has ever seen. Can throw lasers on a line 60-70 yards down the the field, can kill you with his legs both behind the line of scrimmage and running with the ball and he's making better decisions now. I think you have to contain the weapons around him, first of all. Which means you can't let DeSean Jackson and Jeremy Maclin run free or get behind the defense. You have to shut down the 'non-Vick' running game. You probably have to play mostly zone so that the linebackers and DBs can see him if he takes off. Make the Eagles go 12 plays to score instead of one or two.

Jason: So shut down every other skill player on the field? Sounds like a plan...

Star-divide

Ed: as best as you can. I mean, if you let these guys run free you make it easy. And if you are blitz-happy I think you ask for trouble. I kind of like Tom Coughlin's idea ... petition the league for the right to play with 12 guys!

Jason: I think the thing that has made this game so odd for me is how the Giants played last week. I think we're all wondering if they got exposed or they just had a bad week?

Ed: Well, it's the old 'you're never as good as you look at your best or as bad as you look at your worst.' That game set up well for the Cowboys with Jason Garrett taking over, the Giants looking toward Philly a little (whether they will admit it or not). For me it was a bad game played by a good team, but there are some things to be concerned about if you are the Giants.

Jason: I just can't buy the fact that the Giants would overlook the Cowboys. I don't believe a division game can be considered a trap. Plus, I think some of the things that killed you guys in that game were problems that have been there all year. Namely turnovers.

Ed: Yes. As good as the Giants offense is, and it is very, very, very good they are their own worst enemy. The turnovers have been there all year (Giants are -5 in that area). There were two interceptions last week, both of which might have really been on the receivers, to be honest. There were two penalties that erased touchdowns. The Giants have piled up 480+ yards of offense three weeks in a row. The only thing that has been stopping them at all is their own mistakes. Scary how good they could be if they could get out of their own way.

Jason: Speaking of the Giants offense... it's not the healthiest unit coming into this week. You guys appear to be at the point where you're ready to hold "Invincible" style open auditions for offensive lineman and WRs

Ed: yep ... Steve Smith, Ramses Barden, Shaun O'Hara, David Diehl, Adam Koets, Madison Hedgecock and a bunch of other guys down. Now maybe Shawn Andrews, too. It undoubtedly contributed to some of the mistakes last week.

Jason: An Eagles fan might argue that it was just a matter of time with Shawn Andrews.... But yeah, how many points did Boothe take off the board himself?

Ed: A question for you. I know Shawn Andrews did not leave Philly under great circumstances. But, over at BBV the Andrews hatred has been plain to see. Why sooooo much hatred for the guy?

Jason: Well, for one because he was just such a disappointment. This was a guy who looked like he was a franchise cornerstone type lineman at one point and just crash and burned. The depression and emotional stuff really put it over the edge though. You can somewhat forgive a guy for being hurt... But what if he flat out tells you he can't handle being a football player and doesn't really care that much about the game? You would see that as a guy who quit. And is there a worse offense to a fan? And to almost add insult to injury, the guy is missing games due to depression and yet he's still twittering and posting his awful music videos to youtube. That's the last thing you want to see when a guy making millions is supposed to be too depressed to play football.

Ed: Got it. So, another topic for you. Fifty-nine points Monday. Do you see anything about the Giants defense that concerns, or for you is it all just about the Eagles continuing to play at a high level?

Jason: I think it's all about the Eagles continuing to execute well. Let's be honest, no one is surprising anyone Sunday night. The Eagles know virtually everything the Giants will throw at them
and vice versa So it really comes down to execution. I think we've got a favorable matchup with the Giants secondary, but it;s going to be war with a really good Giants D-line and a resurgent Eagles O-line

Ed: I think you are right. I believe the Giants have to get pressure with four and try to keep receivers in front of them defensively. Offensively, I have no doubt the Giants can go up and down the field as well as anybody -- even with their injuries. It's just a question of not giving away opportunities. Should be a great game.

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Long time Bleeding Green Nation reader.

Decided to make an account the other day. Cool post.

by real_slimSHADY on Nov 18, 2010 4:48 PM EST reply actions  

Dope Name

seriously. Ive been trying to think of a combination of those two for a while now.

In 20 We Trust

by Lyons81 on Nov 18, 2010 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't even think I would have caught it

without the compliment.

(is dumb)

Secretary of State for BGN aka "Most diplomatic man on this site," as appointed by Talon Talent
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome

by D3Keith on Nov 18, 2010 9:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I really wanna get a custom jersey made
  1. with SHADY on the back…but don’t wanna put the cash up for it

"Get 'Em"

by FlyEagles15 on Nov 20, 2010 11:37 PM EST up reply actions  

when was the last time the Giants got pressure with the front 4..

I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.

by Troy O on Nov 18, 2010 5:15 PM EST reply actions  

haha

yeah. 2 Qbs were massacred.

In 20 We Trust

by Lyons81 on Nov 18, 2010 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm surprised there wasn't more talk about the Giants' pressure

Seems to be one of the keys, along with, as Ed said, keeping the defense facing Vick.

If anyone can get to Vick, I bet it’s these guys. The Lions got there, but that was a looong time ago. As for the resurgent line, I’ve read that a lot of it is due to them going max protect. Sounds like Clay Harbor is useful and Owen Schmitt has been a great help. Celek has even blocked well.

So I guess that’s great. Doesn’t matter how they’re “resurgent” to me, but I also don’t think our guard situation is all that good and could still be exposed.

Secretary of State for BGN aka "Most diplomatic man on this site," as appointed by Talon Talent
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome

by D3Keith on Nov 18, 2010 9:58 PM EST up reply actions  

lol, “Manning Face” as the caption

"If I can get you to think twice, I'm in your head."
-Brian Dawkins

"Yeah, I like to hit people"
-Brandon Graham

by immynimmy on Nov 18, 2010 6:22 PM EST reply actions  

"about to puke" is what I thought.

"What a gorgeous dog. What do you feed him?"

by waterfield on Nov 20, 2010 7:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey Jason

I asked Ed why he didn’t answer you question about Boothe and my posts got erased.

It seems a person has to kiss his ass to be allowed to post.

Thanks for being a bigger man.

"What a gorgeous dog. What do you feed him?"

by waterfield on Nov 18, 2010 7:28 PM EST reply actions  

your

"What a gorgeous dog. What do you feed him?"

by waterfield on Nov 18, 2010 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Other than your initial warn last sunday

nothing has been applied to your account on BBV. Stop spreading lies.

by brisulph on Nov 19, 2010 9:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks, man

I guess I didn’t read that correctly.

Again, thanks.

"What a gorgeous dog. What do you feed him?"

by waterfield on Nov 19, 2010 9:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Can we do an interview?

Thanks.

waterfield: So what steps have you taken to allow/inject some humor onto the stodgy, bogus, so-called NFL football fan-friendly BBV?

brisulph: First, thank you for the props. We will run a feature on Shawn Andrews’ music career, his chronic sadness, where he scores weed, and perhaps an in depth look at his vagina. We have purchased a fiber-optic camera, and we are very excited about the possibilities.

waterfield: has he given consent to these intrusions into his bodily privacy?

brisulph: he’s so f’d up on percoset he thinks he’s an NFL tackle! ( brisulph collapses into paroxysmal laughter, writhing on the floor, smearing his panic-induced sweat on the hardwood )

"What a gorgeous dog. What do you feed him?"

by waterfield on Nov 20, 2010 8:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, he banned me for bragging about the Eagles and trashing Shawn Andrews. BOO CENSORSHIP!

by d-jackfan10 on Nov 18, 2010 8:11 PM EST up reply actions  

haha...

He actually not only didn’t delete your post, but responded to it!

by eagleyosh on Nov 18, 2010 11:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice post. It says a lot about both conversants.

Sometimes Giants fans can be pretty cool, like this time. Other times, not so much. I haven’t run into a lot of Redskins fans who are total jerks.

Then there’s Dallas. F%^&ing Dallas. Never met a Dallas fan that didn’t deserve a ‘kick me’ sign taped to his ass.

Just sayin…

by IggleGreen on Nov 18, 2010 8:09 PM EST reply actions  

I'll have to take exception

One of my best friends and probably one of the nicest people you’ll ever meet happens to be a Cowboys fan (as much as I hate to admit it). He was born into it, so I can’t really blame him too much. That said, I bust his chops at least three times a week. He almost convulsed when they hired Garrett as head coach!

I love pit-bulls, and I love Vick too. I'm a complicated man.

by oldasquick on Nov 18, 2010 8:44 PM EST up reply actions  

hate the Cowboys but oddly when i went to game there, they were nice to us

maybe because i had my two kids with me. but they killed us and could have taunted mercilessly so they are nothing, NOTHING, like how Eagles fans treat cowboy fans in the upper deck
i don’t hate them because of their fans
i hate them because of Jerry Jones, the arrogance of the organization and (if i’m really honest) because they have more SBs than we do and because, what’s football without a rival to hate?
i thought it pretty lame last year at the Linc when Cowboys started to warm up to open the 2nd half when the Marine precision rifle team was still on the field…was hoping the Marines would just wing one of them…:)

by Eagles-fan-stuck-in-Texas on Nov 18, 2010 8:47 PM EST up reply actions  

fans in dallas nothing are not the worst. two of my friends came down from NY for game 6 of the alcs. they were amazed at the sportsmanship of the people in the stands with us. they were actually embarrassed at the way the yankee fans were behaving in the ranger stands. if dallas fans are guilty of anything, it’s of being extremely fair weather.

by Bleediots on Nov 18, 2010 9:17 PM EST up reply actions  

haha dunno what i typed at the start. 3 glasses of wine and mia -2.5. i’m distracted.

by Bleediots on Nov 18, 2010 9:17 PM EST up reply actions  

We get the game at 6:30 out west

I guarantee that I will be so jacked, win or lose, that I won’t fall asleep until 3am. Might have to order up some Nyquil shooters to take the edge off.

I love pit-bulls, and I love Vick too. I'm a complicated man.

by oldasquick on Nov 18, 2010 8:46 PM EST reply actions  

As much as media wants to make it one...

I don’t think this is a game about Vick against their D. I think their defense is very talented yet beatable. It’ll be a good matchup, but I expect it to be as advertised… but I think this game comes down to the unknowns that exist when they have the ball. Can that mash unit line hold Cole & Co? Can they continue to score points with a depleted wr core? Will their receivers continue to create tip drills? Can Bradshaw succeed where Gore, Jones Drew, & Chris Johnson couldn’t? Can our defense hold a quick lead? With hobbs out, are we more confident about our ability to remove the big plays? Do we have to watch Bradley covering another TE into the secondary? Who is the guy on our defense this week that makes a name for himself and is he the game hero or goat?

by Sparki on Nov 18, 2010 11:24 PM EST reply actions  

The picture was probably that 40-17 game

Eli, before the game, during the game, & after the game was odd man. He was mising wide open receivers all game that day and just seemed very weird that sunday

by Nfpdawg on Nov 19, 2010 1:45 AM EST reply actions  

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