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Was Shannahan right about the best chance to win in the 2 minute drill?

This is a REALLY interesting article backed up by statistics. In the fourth quarter and we're up by 8 points or less, I really like our chances.. And maybe Shanny's excuse, wasn't as lame as once thought. Once again, really well written article.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/11/AR2010111106762_2.html?sid=ST2010111107536

Author is a local Skins writer.

In the dozen days since Coach Mike Shanahan yanked McNabb from what became a loss to Detroit, questions - some of them raised by Shanahan himself - have surfaced concerning McNabb's grasp of the Redskins' offense, his work habits, his health and his physical conditioning. But the central issue remains that, in the circumstances that help define the legacy of quarterbacks, Shanahan felt more comfortable with Rex Grossman at the controls than he did with McNabb.

The thought of John Elway or Peyton Manning or Tom Brady taking a seat in such a spot seems preposterous. Yet for all of McNabb's accolades, the evidence - statistical and anecdotal - suggests he doesn't belong in that same type of two-minute quarterback club.

"I think if you look at the history of Donovan, he's been inconsistent in that period of time," said former Philadelphia quarterback Ron Jaworski, who has studied McNabb throughout his career and will call Monday's game on ESPN. "There have been times where he's run the two-minute offense brilliantly, and there have been times when he's been sketchy."

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McNabb has faced a fourth-quarter deficit of between one and eight points - one score - and pulled out a win 15 times in his professional career, including the playoffs, according to research by Scott Kacsmar of the Web site pro-football-reference.com. He led his team from behind to tie once. And 31 times, he has faced such a deficit and lost.

Compare that to other contemporary quarterbacks: According to Kacsmar's research, Manning has 35 comeback wins and 39 losses; Brady has 22 wins and 15 losses; Ben Roethlisberger 18 wins and 19 losses.

The struggles are even more acute this season. Fourteen times in his tenure with the Redskins, McNabb has taken the ball with five minutes or less in a half in a situation in which Washington was pushing to score - thus discarding fourth-quarter possessions that begin when the Redskins had the lead and were trying to salt a game away. The Redskins have scored four field goals and only one touchdown on those possessions.

McNabb's numbers - 28 for 44 with no touchdowns, three interceptions and a passer rating of 65.2 - would indicate that he has been mediocre when trying to push the offense quickly. Yet they are situations to which he looks forward.

"I enjoy that part, especially when you've gotten things going and you're in that rhythm and everybody's getting involved," McNabb said. "Everyone feels they're contributing. You're spreading the ball around, you're picking up first downs, you get yourself in the red area where you feel like good things can happen."

Yet for a variety of reasons - circumstances, a suspect offensive line, a thin receiving corps and his own poor play among them - McNabb hasn't yet found that success in Washington. As Jaworski said, "You have to look at the whole body of this offense right now. They have some issues."

 

"It's somewhat self-fulfilling," said Hall of Fame quarterback Steve Young, who played in San Francisco when Shanahan served as the offensive coordinator there. "When you have confidence, the team knows you've done it before, you've been pretty good at it that year, it becomes part of what you do. Guys get in the huddle and say, 'We're good at this. Let's go.' . . .

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"It's pretty simple. Bad offenses are usually bad at the two-minute, and good offenses are good at the two-minute."

In the minutes after Shanahan replaced McNabb with Grossman against Detroit, the coach said a significant part of the reasoning was because Grossman had a better understanding of the Redskins' offense, a system Grossman ran last year as a backup in Houston. Former quarterbacks agree that a fundamental, almost second-nature knowledge of a system is essential in executing in a two-minute situation, in which the quarterback is often calling his own plays, including formations, pass routes and protection schemes.

"First and foremost, from a mental standpoint, to be able to execute efficiently in a two-minute offense, the quarterback has to have a real good command of the offense," said former NFL quarterback Steve Beuerlein, an analyst at CBS who played under Shanahan with the Los Angeles Raiders in 1988-89. "He has to be able to fluently, quickly and clearly communicate to the rest of the team what's going on, what play he's calling, everything from the formation to the protection to the routes. Everybody's got to be very clear."

That gets to the core of what Shanahan said immediately after the Detroit game: that McNabb was unable to perform those tasks because he isn't yet completely conversant in the offense. But not everyone believes that struggle would transfer into the two-minute drill, when the playbook can be pared back and the quarterback can focus on plays with which he is comfortable.

"I got to believe that what Andy's doing and what Mike's doing are similar," Young said, referring to Shanahan, McNabb's current coach, and the quarterback's former coach, Andy Reid of the Eagles. "They both took everything from Bill [Walsh]. People tweak things, but you can't tell me that Mike's doing something way, way different from what Andy did before."

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Since his benching, McNabb has dismissed suggestions that he is not sufficiently familiar with Shanahan's offense to run it in a two-minute situation, even calling the notion "hilarious" during his weekly radio show on ESPN 980. Redskins center Casey Rabach said he watches game film with McNabb after practice every Wednesday and Thursday.

"He knows the offense," Rabach said. "He knows the ins and outs of everywhere."

There are, though, the physical issues Shanahan brought up the day after he pulled McNabb - ailing hamstrings that have prevented McNabb from practicing the two-minute offense for more than a month, and subsequently hindered his conditioning.

"People don't give quarterbacks any credit for what it takes to play the position from a cardiovascular standpoint," Beuerlein said. "In the two-minute, if you're making yards, you're running up to the line of scrimmage, you're listening to the coach, plus breathing heavier because you're in the flow of it. If you're not in shape, you're not in condition, it's not going to come out smooth and easy. It's going to come out kind of choppy."

McNabb said Thursday that his hamstrings are feeling better, and Shanahan added that, if McNabb's hamstrings continue to progress, the Redskins will practice the two-minute offense on Saturday. But Shanahan also tried to shift the focus from McNabb's struggles.

"It's a team," Shanahan said. "It's not just a quarterback. It's your offense in general."

That offense, once again, will have McNabb at the helm to start the game against the Eagles. But if there are two minutes remaining, and the Redskins are down six, will McNabb have mastered the system well enough to get the chance to win the game?

"It's complicated," McNabb said. "But yet, still, you want it to happen now. You're willing to do whatever it takes so that it will happen now."

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This one’s better, imho.

8 year olds, dude.

by Wormburn on Nov 12, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Haha

Great job on replacing a printer with a horse. Where’s my red stapler?

FLY #7 FLY !!!

by BWestFactor on Nov 12, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

no, it's not beating a dead horse

I dont remember any of the intangibles of a two minute offense being run on here . Did you even r ead the article. Not every article that doesnt support mcnabb is beating a dead horse…

E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!

by Joe_D on Nov 12, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry Joe

As a BGN default rule:" When in doubt, assuming McNabb bashing by Joe_D has taken place." Shanny may not have been wrong to say that Mcnabb was either injured or that he is not efficient in the 2 min drill. Everyone who has followed the Eagles over the years can tell you the same (see 2004 SB as prime example). Shanny was however, wrong in thinking Rex Grossman gave them a better chance, and he was also wrong by giving 3 different poorly timed excuses. This IS beating a dead horse because everyone already knows that McNabb isnt good at it and everyone has already beaten up the issue of whether Shanahan was justified in benching him….

FLY #7 FLY !!!

by BWestFactor on Nov 12, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank you

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Nov 14, 2010 2:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Was he right for thinking that McNabb couldn’t lead the team to a comeback win? Yes. Was he right for thinking Rex Grossman could do any better? LOL no.

by d-jackfan10 on Nov 12, 2010 4:11 PM EST reply actions  

This article is nothing more than someone digging deep for facts and stats to prove something, when really that something took place in complete absence to those facts and stats.

8 year olds, dude.

by Wormburn on Nov 12, 2010 4:25 PM EST reply actions  

C'mon joe really?

UDDDDAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!

Η κόλαση δεν έχει μυστικά

E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!!!!!!

"fuk u i hate peas"- CNCITINFO (Random BGN troll)

by Udalango on Nov 12, 2010 4:26 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I know right?
I think McNabb must have run over Joe’s bunny or something…

by cavortingEagle on Nov 12, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

-you just copy and pasted an entire article and put it as a fanpost…really?
-stop it about mcnabb already.

"If I can get you to think twice, I'm in your head."
-Brian Dawkins

"Yeah, I like to hit people"
-Brandon Graham

by immynimmy on Nov 12, 2010 4:44 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Also, it helps to spell correctly in the title

Shannahan

Shanahan

"If I can get you to think twice, I'm in your head."
-Brian Dawkins

"Yeah, I like to hit people"
-Brandon Graham

by immynimmy on Nov 12, 2010 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess every article the second the game ends is going to be beating a dead horse

Since anything mcnabb releated is beating a dead horse.

E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!

by Joe_D on Nov 12, 2010 5:03 PM EST reply actions  

Unfortunately on BGN
Since anything mcnabb - Joe_D releated is beating a dead horse.

FLY #7 FLY !!!

by BWestFactor on Nov 12, 2010 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

The benching happened two weeks ago and been talked about a lot here already. We really don’t need more of it.

RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.

by Imp on Nov 12, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

No just for you.

If the Article had said the exact opposite you wouldnt have bothered posting it.

UDDDDAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!

Η κόλαση δεν έχει μυστικά

E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!!!!!!

"fuk u i hate peas"- CNCITINFO (Random BGN troll)

by Udalango on Nov 12, 2010 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I think punctuality is the issue here, Joe. This happened what, two weeks ago? C’mon man.

Got rational behavior? ...apparently not.
36-5-20-JJ Bleeding Green Forever

by DeSean10 on Nov 12, 2010 11:15 PM EST up reply actions  

If it involves you and McNabb, yes it's a dead horse

We can already tell what the point will be.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Nov 14, 2010 2:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Is McNabb a great two-minute drill QB, probably not

Is Grossman better, hell no.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Nov 14, 2010 2:03 AM EST reply actions  

Fight the good fight!

"What a gorgeous dog. What do you feed him?"

by waterfield on Nov 15, 2010 12:39 AM EST reply actions  

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